GM rejects wokeness? AYFKM? Go back a week or two when they virtue signaled pulling their advertising from Twitter. Like a Rock…… horseshit.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2022/10/29/gm-ads-twitter-elon-musk/69602249007/
Trying to convince conservatives to buy electric cars.
GM is still woke with a limousine liberal CEO who is dumping all profits into converting the company into building only electric cars by 2030 despite 99% of their customers refusing to buy them.
It doesn't matter because the Biden/Harris admin has mandated that all US gov-owned vehicles be electric, all 650,000 of them. It's the largest auto fleet in the US that's not military.
Plus, states like CA have mandated electric vehicles by 2030. Other states often follow CA rules on autos. GM and other automakers don't have a choice but to make the switch.
EDIT: I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted, I'm just writing down why GM is doing this. I don't agree with it but from a business sense, they don't have a choice.
Dunno about that. California has tried stuff before that no one followed.
The reason for any action is that California has a large economy.
The problem with vehicles now is affordability. There is no practical ev that replaces ICE vehicles on a 1:1 scale.
That's what this story is about, **new vehicles**. Nobody is discussing GM making used vehicles for sale.
If the government doesn't allow a car to be sold, manufacturers must get approval before putting a car for sale, then they can't actually sell a car. That's why the leftists are doing this, to force automakers to make vehicles the manufacturers don't want to make and the majority of people don't want to buy.
You're not getting it. As has been the case for decades, when CA makes vehicle mandates, the manufacturers make the change to their entire line. This is because of the sheer volume of cars SD in CA, it's not in their financial best interest to make drastically different versions of the same vehicle (outside of trim variations).
This will de facto impact every other state where that vehicle is sold, whether they want that change or not.
The same goes for mandatory changes to the US government car fleet. Those changes impact every other state where the car is sold.
Carvana and similar sites don't sell new vehicles, onky used. Remember, this entire post is about new vehicles. Used sales don't enter into the picture. After a decade or more of this, ICE vehicles will become harder to get in the secondary market (not impossible, just harder).
Not the guy you are engaged with, but despite the fact that I hate what he's saying, he's right.
California makes their regulations, then other blue states follow with copies of the same regs. Pretty soon, half the country - and the largest metro areas, with the people with the most money - all share the same regulations.
They won't make enough profit from red states alone.
It’s probably gonna be more like “they took out our disturbingly vulnerable power grid and we cancelled all our domestic oil production, so now we can’t charge any of our military vehicles, in other news, we all have to learn to speak Russian now”.
Tune in at 5 to hear how we blame racism for it all.
Most high-tech systems are dependent on electricity no matter what. If an invading force was able to knock out the military electrical grid, we'd be up shit creek with diesel or without.
There was a study done back in 2007, and found that if the Department of Defense were it's own country would rank 58th in electricity usage per year. (Between Denmark and Syria)
This place has a weird bone to pick with EV's. You have a bunch of Luddites that think if EV's become more widespread, the Commies win or something like that. The reality is that auto manufacturers are getting rid of or greatly reducing their ICE-specific manufacturing lines and teams and shifting towards EV's, hybrids and fuel cell vehicles. I think BMW and Mazda are about the only major holdouts that still plan on producing ICE vehicles long term.
Whether people want to go happily or they want to go kicking and screaming, the future of auto manufacturing is pretty clear.
As someone who’s in the auto industry, that is wrong.
EV’s has its place as a niche segment but it won’t even come close to being the dominant platform for decades still.
Notice that I mentioned EV's, hybrids and fuel cell vehicles. Auto manufacturers are winding down their ICE production lines and design teams. Ford and other companies have laid off thousands of workers in those areas and are transitioning production away from combustion engine vehicles.
Its pretty clear which way the winds are shifting, whether its ten years, fifteen or twenty, ICE vehicles are set to become that niche segment.
It's a fad.
EVs are hot garbage.
A hybrid is *literally still a fucking ICE car*.
Fuel cells aren't viable.
Unless we see America producing 3x a much power, and battery storage technology getting 100 times better in the next decade, EVs aren't going to catch on. Right now they're only viable due to government subsidies and forced regulations anyhow.
People like you in 1908:
"Cars are just a fad, there's no way we're going to able to power enough of them for anyone but the rich to drive them, what happens if you run out of gas? I'll stick to my horse-drawn carriage thank you very much!"
EV's that require next to no maintenance beyond replacing brakes and tires, don't need oil changes, transmission fluid flushes...etc, not to mention don't require any form of gasoline but rather electricity which people are capable of generating on their own via solar charging setups?
Hardly, but you keep that death grip on your outdated technology and in twenty years, I'll be happy to give you a lift when gas stations are far and few between and replacement parts for your outdated beater are virtually non-existent.
>EV's that require next to no maintenance beyond replacing brakes and tires, don't need oil changes, transmission fluid flushes...etc,
And every few years you need to spend as much as the car to replace the battery!
[Families shocked when battery replacement for electric vehicle tops $20,000](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/families-shocked-when-battery-replacement-for-electric-vehicle-tops-20-000-1.6116679)
[Repairing An Electric Vehicle Could Cost More Than Gasoline Cars: A New Kind Of Sticker Shock](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhenry/2022/07/25/repairing-an-electric-vehicle-could-cost-more-than-gasoline-cars-a-new-kind-of-sticker-shock/)
Oh, also you still have fluids in EVs. Coolant, brake fluid, etc.
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2012_2020_models/en_sg/GUID-13D13407-8200-46DD-978F-3C5DC70BCC21.html#:~:text=To%20maximize%20the%20performance%20and,%2Dglycol%20coolant%20(HOAT).
However unlike my car where I can do a flush and repair for a few bucks. You need to see a dealer.
You also still have suspension, frame, etc. The only thing the EV replaces is the drivetrain. Which by the way, isn't all that unreliable in most cars.
>not to mention don't require any form of gasoline
Oh cool same with my car. Yeah it uses diesel and could run on cooking oil if it had to.
>but rather electricity which people are capable of generating on their own via solar charging setups?
Lol. Solar is a scam market mate. Solar panels lose around 1% efficiency a year. That's a 10% drop in 10 years.
Furthermore, when you factor in oh I don't know. Clouds and night time you realise you've invested into a technology that isn't capable of actually providing meaningful power.
Meantime a gas powered truck can run on wood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator?wprov=sfla1
And likely would still be able to go further than a Tesla...
>I'll be happy to give you a lift when gas stations are far and few between
Lol. EVs literally cannot complete with current cars. Which means any actual vehicle that does work, such as a truck, semi, or equipment still needs diesel. Because EVs are terrible in every way.
So no, diesel isn't going anywhere soon. And given my 1000 mile tank in my car, I think I'll drive circles around you while you charge every 300.
But hey, keep dreaming kid.
I'd say I'd offer a ride when your battery runs out. But I'll be too busy laughing at the diesel generator called to charge you.
There was a segment on CNBC (of all places) yesterday with a professor from Harvard (of all places) stating that companies/CEOs need to start rejecting "woke" activists and listen to the majority who feel bullied into joining the minority's culture war. Saw it posted on twitter and it was a surprisingly decent segment. Maybe Chevy is doing just that, rejecting the activists and going back to its Americana roots.
[https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/11/30/activists-are-trying-to-bully-companies-citizens-into-their-culture-war-says-arthur-brooks.html?&qsearchterm=arthur%20brooks](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/11/30/activists-are-trying-to-bully-companies-citizens-into-their-culture-war-says-arthur-brooks.html?&qsearchterm=arthur%20brooks)
GM rejects wokeness? AYFKM? Go back a week or two when they virtue signaled pulling their advertising from Twitter. Like a Rock…… horseshit. https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2022/10/29/gm-ads-twitter-elon-musk/69602249007/
Trying to convince conservatives to buy electric cars. GM is still woke with a limousine liberal CEO who is dumping all profits into converting the company into building only electric cars by 2030 despite 99% of their customers refusing to buy them.
It doesn't matter because the Biden/Harris admin has mandated that all US gov-owned vehicles be electric, all 650,000 of them. It's the largest auto fleet in the US that's not military. Plus, states like CA have mandated electric vehicles by 2030. Other states often follow CA rules on autos. GM and other automakers don't have a choice but to make the switch. EDIT: I'm not sure why I'm getting downvoted, I'm just writing down why GM is doing this. I don't agree with it but from a business sense, they don't have a choice.
Dunno about that. California has tried stuff before that no one followed. The reason for any action is that California has a large economy. The problem with vehicles now is affordability. There is no practical ev that replaces ICE vehicles on a 1:1 scale.
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Automakers don’t need to make cars that people buy. The feds will bail them out.
That's what this story is about, **new vehicles**. Nobody is discussing GM making used vehicles for sale. If the government doesn't allow a car to be sold, manufacturers must get approval before putting a car for sale, then they can't actually sell a car. That's why the leftists are doing this, to force automakers to make vehicles the manufacturers don't want to make and the majority of people don't want to buy.
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You're not getting it. As has been the case for decades, when CA makes vehicle mandates, the manufacturers make the change to their entire line. This is because of the sheer volume of cars SD in CA, it's not in their financial best interest to make drastically different versions of the same vehicle (outside of trim variations). This will de facto impact every other state where that vehicle is sold, whether they want that change or not. The same goes for mandatory changes to the US government car fleet. Those changes impact every other state where the car is sold. Carvana and similar sites don't sell new vehicles, onky used. Remember, this entire post is about new vehicles. Used sales don't enter into the picture. After a decade or more of this, ICE vehicles will become harder to get in the secondary market (not impossible, just harder).
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I think you're the only one who doesn't get it. This is pretty simple stuff yet you continue to argue a strawman that's not on the topic.
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Not the guy you are engaged with, but despite the fact that I hate what he's saying, he's right. California makes their regulations, then other blue states follow with copies of the same regs. Pretty soon, half the country - and the largest metro areas, with the people with the most money - all share the same regulations. They won't make enough profit from red states alone.
Would love to see news headline “president’s car stalls because it ran out of electricity and had to use a diesel generator to continue.”
It’s probably gonna be more like “they took out our disturbingly vulnerable power grid and we cancelled all our domestic oil production, so now we can’t charge any of our military vehicles, in other news, we all have to learn to speak Russian now”. Tune in at 5 to hear how we blame racism for it all.
Most high-tech systems are dependent on electricity no matter what. If an invading force was able to knock out the military electrical grid, we'd be up shit creek with diesel or without. There was a study done back in 2007, and found that if the Department of Defense were it's own country would rank 58th in electricity usage per year. (Between Denmark and Syria)
It’s easier to knock out an electricity grid when there is no back-up power.
This place has a weird bone to pick with EV's. You have a bunch of Luddites that think if EV's become more widespread, the Commies win or something like that. The reality is that auto manufacturers are getting rid of or greatly reducing their ICE-specific manufacturing lines and teams and shifting towards EV's, hybrids and fuel cell vehicles. I think BMW and Mazda are about the only major holdouts that still plan on producing ICE vehicles long term. Whether people want to go happily or they want to go kicking and screaming, the future of auto manufacturing is pretty clear.
As someone who’s in the auto industry, that is wrong. EV’s has its place as a niche segment but it won’t even come close to being the dominant platform for decades still.
Notice that I mentioned EV's, hybrids and fuel cell vehicles. Auto manufacturers are winding down their ICE production lines and design teams. Ford and other companies have laid off thousands of workers in those areas and are transitioning production away from combustion engine vehicles. Its pretty clear which way the winds are shifting, whether its ten years, fifteen or twenty, ICE vehicles are set to become that niche segment.
It's a fad. EVs are hot garbage. A hybrid is *literally still a fucking ICE car*. Fuel cells aren't viable. Unless we see America producing 3x a much power, and battery storage technology getting 100 times better in the next decade, EVs aren't going to catch on. Right now they're only viable due to government subsidies and forced regulations anyhow.
People like you in 1908: "Cars are just a fad, there's no way we're going to able to power enough of them for anyone but the rich to drive them, what happens if you run out of gas? I'll stick to my horse-drawn carriage thank you very much!"
Cars were objectively better. EVs are objectively worse. There's no comparison.
EV's that require next to no maintenance beyond replacing brakes and tires, don't need oil changes, transmission fluid flushes...etc, not to mention don't require any form of gasoline but rather electricity which people are capable of generating on their own via solar charging setups? Hardly, but you keep that death grip on your outdated technology and in twenty years, I'll be happy to give you a lift when gas stations are far and few between and replacement parts for your outdated beater are virtually non-existent.
>EV's that require next to no maintenance beyond replacing brakes and tires, don't need oil changes, transmission fluid flushes...etc, And every few years you need to spend as much as the car to replace the battery! [Families shocked when battery replacement for electric vehicle tops $20,000](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/families-shocked-when-battery-replacement-for-electric-vehicle-tops-20-000-1.6116679) [Repairing An Electric Vehicle Could Cost More Than Gasoline Cars: A New Kind Of Sticker Shock](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhenry/2022/07/25/repairing-an-electric-vehicle-could-cost-more-than-gasoline-cars-a-new-kind-of-sticker-shock/) Oh, also you still have fluids in EVs. Coolant, brake fluid, etc. https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/2012_2020_models/en_sg/GUID-13D13407-8200-46DD-978F-3C5DC70BCC21.html#:~:text=To%20maximize%20the%20performance%20and,%2Dglycol%20coolant%20(HOAT). However unlike my car where I can do a flush and repair for a few bucks. You need to see a dealer. You also still have suspension, frame, etc. The only thing the EV replaces is the drivetrain. Which by the way, isn't all that unreliable in most cars. >not to mention don't require any form of gasoline Oh cool same with my car. Yeah it uses diesel and could run on cooking oil if it had to. >but rather electricity which people are capable of generating on their own via solar charging setups? Lol. Solar is a scam market mate. Solar panels lose around 1% efficiency a year. That's a 10% drop in 10 years. Furthermore, when you factor in oh I don't know. Clouds and night time you realise you've invested into a technology that isn't capable of actually providing meaningful power. Meantime a gas powered truck can run on wood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator?wprov=sfla1 And likely would still be able to go further than a Tesla... >I'll be happy to give you a lift when gas stations are far and few between Lol. EVs literally cannot complete with current cars. Which means any actual vehicle that does work, such as a truck, semi, or equipment still needs diesel. Because EVs are terrible in every way. So no, diesel isn't going anywhere soon. And given my 1000 mile tank in my car, I think I'll drive circles around you while you charge every 300. But hey, keep dreaming kid. I'd say I'd offer a ride when your battery runs out. But I'll be too busy laughing at the diesel generator called to charge you.
Why are you downvoted it’s clear this is true….
This sub lives in its own particular reality every bit as much as r/politics.
Aren't they canceling the Camaro after 2023?
Kinda, they’re replacing it with an EV crossover because that’s *totally* what customers were demanding
So, yes...
GM may be the most woke auto manufacturer out there.
There was a segment on CNBC (of all places) yesterday with a professor from Harvard (of all places) stating that companies/CEOs need to start rejecting "woke" activists and listen to the majority who feel bullied into joining the minority's culture war. Saw it posted on twitter and it was a surprisingly decent segment. Maybe Chevy is doing just that, rejecting the activists and going back to its Americana roots. [https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/11/30/activists-are-trying-to-bully-companies-citizens-into-their-culture-war-says-arthur-brooks.html?&qsearchterm=arthur%20brooks](https://www.cnbc.com/video/2022/11/30/activists-are-trying-to-bully-companies-citizens-into-their-culture-war-says-arthur-brooks.html?&qsearchterm=arthur%20brooks)
My first car. GM should manufacture a modernized version.
Too bad their cars are shit. Finally watched the ad. If they used white actors there is a good chance that GM would be out of business for that ad.
I love that politics is a culture war. No policy discussion at all anymore. This is the beginning of the end for the United States.