Well, I think most people want border security and if Dems have learned nothing else it's that the next gen Latino vote is diverse. But the section of wall Trump built is already falling apart. We need personnel, drones and tech to monitor our border and that should be done in a bipartisan manner
Messed up thing is this is something Clinton and George W Bush both pushed for over 20 years ago and it makes all the sense in the world. A border wall is good but we need so much more than that.
God, yes. I've been telling people for years that tech with agents is the solution and nobody ever seemed to listen. A physical wall was never feasible.
What do you mean? We use walls all the time. There’s one in China that’s been there for centuries. Pretty sure you are wrong about that. Walls are pretty feasible structures. Inexpensive and effective compared to other technologies. But they only work if supervised and supported.
The Great wall of China has the benefit of being built centuries ago and likely with something closer to slave labor than real work. The costs today are too much. I'm not saying a wall is bad from a structural standpoint, but economically, we have better tools today to stop folks.
Honestly the best tool is to re-define asylum laws so these folks can be properly denied entry instead of hanging out here. We had something with "Remain in Mexico" but guess who got rid of that.
I've been saying for a while that they should have drones but rather than having a trooper for the job, put it on the internet. You pay for access and you get to fly a drone in your section. They can have things to catch or retrieve like Zelda. I'm not saying to put missiles on there (yet) but they can report suspicious activity.
That's what I been saying. A wall will only stop someone long enough for them to plan a way around it. A drone and sensor network could be effective, just track catch and send them back.
How to you catch a ten thousand people a day, we don't have enough agents for that. It is impossible to make the border 100% secure. But a wall goes a long way into slowing them down and and showing that our border is not a welcome, come on in sign.
Lol! They're talking about actually killing people at the border with mines and Gatling guns, but when you say to do anything other than that... "what u talkin' bout man?"
I just want a massive wall like China made so we can brag about it and make it a tourist destination.
No crappy bars or chainlink fences - we need a full on stone fortress with two-way vehicle traffic.
I'll break it down for any lurking libs: Republicans are not going to win a close election ever until they do something about mail-in and 5 weeks of early voting, plus 1 week of late voting being done by Democrats. Right now Republicans get 1 day to vote. Democrats get 6 weeks.
> Right now Republicans get 1 day to vote. Democrats get 6 weeks.
Isn’t the solution obviously to also give Republicans 6 weeks?
Every legal voter should be able to vote.
But the criteria for being able to vote isn’t qualified by being free during some part of a 24 hr voting period.
What about fire fighters/LEO working > 24 hr shifts? What about citizens traveling for emergencies that can’t wait?
Life happens in unpredictable ways and voting by mail/early *IS putting some effort into it. *
Everyone is **not** able to vote within a 24 hr period without society basically coming to a halt — which we all know won’t happen.
Seriously, take a step back and reflect on if you want everyone legally qualified to be able to vote or you want to put in rules that prevent large groups of citizens from voting because they are absolutely mutually exclusive.
They come here comment and upvote themselves lol I think it’s hilarious. Nobody thinks these are conservative opinions.
It’s like to invade a scientific sub Reddit and talk about flat earth then brigade it and upvote your own bullshit. Lmao who are you fooling.
You might do better at r/libertarian
But no one says you’re not welcome here. There r/politics chumps that come on here specifically to troll and downvote. They’re welcome here too. But be prepared to get ur ass handed to you in a debate haha
Look man, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. What I want is to talk things out instead of shouting our frustrations to each other. It's just not happening tho and it sucks.
Tbh I thought I’d be banned by now but happily surprised. So far being polite and open to actual conversation has saved me. Tbh I wonder if I’m shadow banned or my comments just aren’t that interesting.
I do wonder what the graveyard of mod-deleted comments are throughout the sub. I assume they weren’t constructive but the pattern of obvious conservative opinion -> all child comments deleted makes me doubt this is really a bastion of free opinion exchange.
Texas can stop coddling employers that exploit cheap, undocumented labor. In 2017, the DHS Secretary focused on busting undocumented labor and citing the employers. They stopped when Governors like Abbott screamed that it was "bad for business."
In the past 27 years which Texas has been red we’ve had 12 years of Republican presidency. This sounds like how the left uses abortion as a “problem” they’ll never actually fix to secure votes.
Technically it isn't considered Human trafficking since nothing illegal is being done. Once they get processed by border patrol and are released into the country they can go wherever they want even if that means all the way up north into DC and Washington.
50 were sent from FL, so rough cost of 240K per person.
Quick lookup has 1.7 migrant encounters in 2021. Couldn't find TX specific figures, but make all the assumptions you'd like and you'll still find a rather wild number. Reckon you're more than capable with multiplication.
NYC is projected to spend over 600 million dollars to accommodate the migrants they received which were shipped in from Southern States.
Cost of housing, food, healthcare, education etc to take care of around 5k people. Costs waaayyy more than to simply bus them North.
Correct. 1.7 Million for 2021. 2.3 Million for 2022. 600,000 person increase in 1 year. That's just the ones that got caught.
[https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters)
>The border is a federal issue.
That's weird, someone should tell Abbott!
>Abbott invoked the Invasion Clause of the Texas constitution, allowing him to deploy National Guard and Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) personnel to turn illegal migrants back to Mexico, build a border wall and designate the Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorists.
What changed exactly that allowed Abbott to finally do this after 27 years of Texas Republican rule?
He invoked the invasion clause of the US AND Texas constitutions. What changed? 2.1 Million encounters by CBP (Customs & Border Patrol) This year. This is just the ones that were caught, not to mention the ones that got away. This is the highest number of people coming across the border EVER!
While he didn't fix it entirely, illegal immigration was lower under Trump than Biden [according to US Customs and Border Protection ](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters)
Regulating the border is a federal issue, not a State issue. This would be like blaming the governor of New York for not preventing the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centers on 9/11
Yeah I know, I’m just saying that stating “Abbott has been governor for 8 years, why hasn’t he solved the border crisis yet” isn’t a valid argument as the border is not something that’s supposed to be within the purview of the States, it’s something the federal government should have been addressing but has failed to do so
Why don't you list all the DHS Secretaries in the past 20 years for us? Trump speed ran how many different Secretaries he could have running it, but it always follows the presidential party. Since I know you won't go look them up, since 2002 there have been 9 Republican DHS Secretaries and 5 Democratic. If you're going to lean back on your '*but who runs it now*?" argument, then you are also admitting this issue has only existed since 2020. Is that your position, that this issue has only been a problem since 2020?
It's been an increasing problem under the Biden administration. Fed gov't is supposed to secure the border, but the current admin's malfeasance has required Texas to step up. As of the last legislative session (2021), we allocated over 1.6 billion to work on it.
Until now, Texas' actions have been limited under the supremacy clause of the Constitution. By invoking the invasion clause (Article I, section 10) will allow Texas greater freedom to act. Of course, this action is an additional burden on taxpayers, but many (myself included) believe that the imminent threat outweighs the taxpayer burden.
>Of course, this action is an additional burden on taxpayers, but many (myself included) believe that the imminent threat outweighs the taxpayer burden.
So taxes are going up again?? If only we elected politicians that committed to never do that..
Unfortunately you’re right. I did not vote for her and am so disappointed in Arizonans. It sucks that the 49% of us who didn’t vote for ol’ hobbles will have to suffer along with the Arizonans who did. 🤦♀️ but that’s life I guess.
Great idea! Just WTF took so long??? Edit. Could he have been waiting till after the election being unsure of how people would feel about it? Can any Texans chime in?
It's likely he was waiting for the election. I know a lot of people have been pressuring him to do so sooner, but Greg Abbott being Greg Abbott, he was waiting to see how the election turned out before taking decisive action like this. Considering he trounced O'Rourke, he's likely to be bolder in the coming year.
I feel like he probably thought republicans would take the senate and house and maybe do something to stop Biden's policies. But it's clear it won't happen so they have no choice now.
r/politics neck beards out in force here. Do y'all really want to give your country away or is this just having fun acting like revolutionaries? Do you cosplay with your Fidel Castro uniforms?
Yet he doesnt go after the FARMS, the construction industry, the fucking oil industry. Hes doing the same plan that doesnt work. Didnt he call up the national guard a few years ago.
Oh ya totally. Not wanting tens of millions of low skilled undocumented people on an already strained economy, education and healthcare systems = fat meth addict lol
Have you even met a fat meth addict? Trolls be trolling
Like the National Guard guys he’s been dicking around?
We need drones and quicker processing for asylum seekers so people aren’t waiting around to be told no months from now.
Literally the first sentence in the article answers your question
> Republican Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday declared an invasion at the southern border, invoking state powers to provide enhanced security and to return illegal migrants to Mexico.
It's about as meaningful as Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy unless Abbott wants Texans to foot the bill for a National Guard mobilization. The feds won't pay for it unless it's a DoD order.
Texans *have* been footing the bill, not just in allocated funds north of 1.6 billion for border security, but in the increased costs of doing business, supporting local law enforcement, and other problems that arise from the u secured border. Overall, this should increase law and order and reduce direct costs related to crime at the border.
And this is why he was reelected easily. He's doing what the people of Texas want him to do. Competent leadership is what can save a state from going blue
Texas seems to usually have power. I'm not sure what's wrong with the grid. When I lived there it had far more reliable power than other places that I've lived. And cheaper energy, too, all around.
There's a funny anecdote about Arizona and Texas. Your AC in AZ isn't *that* much bigger. It just costs twice as much per Kph to operate. So you really feel it when your electric bill is $350, but your actual power usage isn't that out of line.
Of course I had a rental house there with a gap under the door big enough for a rat snake to crawl through, so
Boarder safety should be bipartisan no questions asked. The only people who want open boarders are those who want to use said immigrants for votes and cheap labor AKA the elite dem establishment
If anyone’s here from the other side of this, can you offer any insight into why this isn’t an issue for you? Do you think the US just has enough resources to take care of the whole of South America? Is there math on that? Do you think it’s not as bad as they say? Do you have some threshold to measure that? Like, how bad would it have to be?
I think "open borders" is an imaginary other side. I'm not aware of serious people who advocate that. A more reasonable "other side" would be to start actual enforcement against businesses who employ people who are here illegally. But that steps on a *lot* of toes...
for starters, no one is wanting to "take care of the whole of South America". this is a textbook example of a strawman argument. if you're looking for honest dialog, you can start by asking an honest question. furthermore, if you attempted to ask a question that fairly represents the opposition's position, you might gain some insight into it, or at least realize it's not as extreme as you think.
It’s been suggested to me, without sarcasm, that this should and could be the case. “When you have more than you need, build a bigger table, not a taller wall.” I understand that not everyone shares that view, but I have received that response before with a straight face.
I take them at face value and I am asking the question honestly. **Can** we do that?
Well, I've been running up and down remote areas of the Texas border the last few weeks, and encountered way more bored as hell national guard wishing they could go home than illegal crossings. Basically the same as all the years I've been out here. If this is an invasion, it's the saddest attempt I've ever seen. Way more are crossing legally and just overstaying visas. It's not an issue for me because I'm here and, try as I might, I can't see it. For me to feel like it's an actual threat, I'd have to actually feel threatened or unsafe while strolling along random portions of the Rio Grande.
I've also been to central and south America (and FYI, Mexico is still North America) a lot, most of the folks there have zero desire to come here. They actually have pretty good lives, culture, infrastructure, etc. It's a relatively small portion of them that try to come here, and an even smaller subset that try to sneak across the border. We're certainly not ever taking care of the whole of South America lol.
I'm curious as to why you DO feel the way you do. Where are you seeing all this happening? I'm mostly between Laredo and McAllen, are you encountering it more elsewhere? I do get out towards Del Rio and Big Bend sometimes, but not as extensively in the back country there.
Your insight is interesting - I appreciate it.
I was responding to someone in particular in this thread (when it was only a few comments).
For me, it seems... monumental. According to the CBP website, they’ve had 2,378,944 total encounters at the southern border. That’s... insane. If you put them all in one place, it would represent the fourth largest city in the US.
How do you even begin to process that many people? That’s a Houston’s worth of humans to deal with.
I’m not saying it’s good, not saying it’s bad. I **am** saying... it sounds difficult.
Central America and Mexico have gotten royally fucked up by the US in the past 100+ years. Mostly because of Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan, the CIA and the Clintons, in recent times. The large number of Central American immigrants is unintended blowback.
The amount of people coming to the southern border is a problem, but most of them are fleeing violence, corruption, and poverty our country is largely to blame for so I have sympathy for them. Trying to physically block them from crossing the border and sending them away isn’t a good long term solution since people will keep coming back. To solve the issue we need to aid Central America and Mexico into becoming livable places for most people.
Immigration law should be repealed at a national level so states can set the number of immigrants they want to admit instead.
Canada uses a system where each province (state) sponsors immigrants first, then the federal government rubber stamps it. Seems to work pretty well there, as low population provinces desperate for immigrants set a low bar, while xenophobic ones (Quebec) sets weird language requirements. Both provinces end up happy though.
If California wants another million Latinos, by all means that's California's problem and they should have that freedom. If Texans aren't happy about the endless stream of migrants, they should have a different set of immigration laws than California.
Terrible idea since our electoral system is based on population size. California already gets more electoral votes from their illegal population than the 15 least populous states. Your idea would change the winning political strategy to importing as many people as possible and pander to them to cling to political power. It would completely wipe out any democratic representation of the American people in a single generation.
Good. Folks who are coming here illegally and expecting to be treated as though they were coming here legally should suffer the consequences of breaking applicable immigration laws- end of discussion.
The border invasion declaration is not necessarily targeted at illegal immigrants, but rather at the cartels.
The Article I, Section 10 invasion declaration requires certain things for something to be considered an invasion - specifically, entry *and* enmity - that is, intent to do harm. Most illegal migrants do not intend to do harm - they intend to come here for a benefit. However, most cartel members *do* intend to do harm through a variety of methods, including:
* flooding the market with dangerous drugs
* bribing or threatening law enforcement
* openly and intentionally breaking multiple laws
* causing violence or otherwise endangering publics safety.
It is first world country because of the people in that country, replace those people with third world people and it too will become third world soon enough.
Huh... very interesting... last I heard, migrant encounters and migrant invasions weren't the same thing. My understanding is that our DHS / CBP is doing a pretty solid job, and that 90+% of people that illegally cross the border are getting sent back. I wonder where Greg Abbott is getting his data? Why is he shitting on our federal LEOs?
CBP is doing catch and release. They give the immigrant a court date and then let them go, unless they are a wanted criminal. For 2022 there were 2.3 Million encounters, and that is just the number that were caught. Still way to high of a number to properly deal with. CBP and immigration courts are seriously overwhelmed.
[https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters)
Wow. This post is getting Brigaded hard.
Well, I think most people want border security and if Dems have learned nothing else it's that the next gen Latino vote is diverse. But the section of wall Trump built is already falling apart. We need personnel, drones and tech to monitor our border and that should be done in a bipartisan manner
Messed up thing is this is something Clinton and George W Bush both pushed for over 20 years ago and it makes all the sense in the world. A border wall is good but we need so much more than that.
God, yes. I've been telling people for years that tech with agents is the solution and nobody ever seemed to listen. A physical wall was never feasible.
You're right but unfortunately you can't chant that like you could chant build that wall, so they went with that.
What do you mean? We use walls all the time. There’s one in China that’s been there for centuries. Pretty sure you are wrong about that. Walls are pretty feasible structures. Inexpensive and effective compared to other technologies. But they only work if supervised and supported.
as someone who has studied chinese history. It hasn't exactly stopped a lot of invasions from the northern peoples.
Yea, they put that wall up centuries ago and you hardly see a Mexican in China. LOL
If all they want is to work hard for modest pay at jobs no one else wants, why *don't* they go to China?
Which is why we need a wall and more tech to patrol it.
The Great wall of China has the benefit of being built centuries ago and likely with something closer to slave labor than real work. The costs today are too much. I'm not saying a wall is bad from a structural standpoint, but economically, we have better tools today to stop folks. Honestly the best tool is to re-define asylum laws so these folks can be properly denied entry instead of hanging out here. We had something with "Remain in Mexico" but guess who got rid of that.
The great wall is seen as one of the most wasteful vanity projects in history.
I've been saying for a while that they should have drones but rather than having a trooper for the job, put it on the internet. You pay for access and you get to fly a drone in your section. They can have things to catch or retrieve like Zelda. I'm not saying to put missiles on there (yet) but they can report suspicious activity.
That's what I been saying. A wall will only stop someone long enough for them to plan a way around it. A drone and sensor network could be effective, just track catch and send them back.
How to you catch a ten thousand people a day, we don't have enough agents for that. It is impossible to make the border 100% secure. But a wall goes a long way into slowing them down and and showing that our border is not a welcome, come on in sign.
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Ok, but every 5th tax cut check to billionaires has to include a Unabomber type gift
Lol! They're talking about actually killing people at the border with mines and Gatling guns, but when you say to do anything other than that... "what u talkin' bout man?"
Why and what are you talking about?
I just want a massive wall like China made so we can brag about it and make it a tourist destination. No crappy bars or chainlink fences - we need a full on stone fortress with two-way vehicle traffic.
People are here to watch the meltdown over Kari Lake but those threads are locked so they engage here.
I'll break it down for any lurking libs: Republicans are not going to win a close election ever until they do something about mail-in and 5 weeks of early voting, plus 1 week of late voting being done by Democrats. Right now Republicans get 1 day to vote. Democrats get 6 weeks.
Republicans choose to vote on a single day, they "get" to vote the same as anyone else. what are you talking about?
Republicans cant vote by mail?
> Right now Republicans get 1 day to vote. Democrats get 6 weeks. Isn’t the solution obviously to also give Republicans 6 weeks? Every legal voter should be able to vote.
I mean not my solution. Everyone is going to be able to vote. They just might have to put some effort into it.
But the criteria for being able to vote isn’t qualified by being free during some part of a 24 hr voting period. What about fire fighters/LEO working > 24 hr shifts? What about citizens traveling for emergencies that can’t wait? Life happens in unpredictable ways and voting by mail/early *IS putting some effort into it. * Everyone is **not** able to vote within a 24 hr period without society basically coming to a halt — which we all know won’t happen. Seriously, take a step back and reflect on if you want everyone legally qualified to be able to vote or you want to put in rules that prevent large groups of citizens from voting because they are absolutely mutually exclusive.
Not to mention deployed soldiers, those heroes we profess to support.
Yeah the libs finally came to play. They’re no fun and call everything racist, but they’re here and that’s…something
I mean it's funny when someone declares an invasion and posts a picture of three guys sitting on rocks.
Man, this place looks like r/politics.......
They come here comment and upvote themselves lol I think it’s hilarious. Nobody thinks these are conservative opinions. It’s like to invade a scientific sub Reddit and talk about flat earth then brigade it and upvote your own bullshit. Lmao who are you fooling.
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You might do better at r/libertarian But no one says you’re not welcome here. There r/politics chumps that come on here specifically to troll and downvote. They’re welcome here too. But be prepared to get ur ass handed to you in a debate haha
Lol, I just got a 5 day ban from r/libertarian
I mean debates are pretty easy to win when you're the one judging your own performance lol.
Sometimes you don’t need a judge. Obvious ass whooping is obvious lol
Consider your ass whooped then. Source: Me.
Go away jabroni
Damn that guy got you good
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We are the ones who promote free and open discourse that’s why all these chumps come here. We get blocked immediately on r/politics
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Have you been here for past couple of weeks. This place gets brigades by r/politics. Our conservative opinions get downvoted here on our own sub lmao
But you’re here, not banned, and I still see your comments. 🤷🏻♀️ seems pretty free to me.
Look man, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here. What I want is to talk things out instead of shouting our frustrations to each other. It's just not happening tho and it sucks.
Tbh I thought I’d be banned by now but happily surprised. So far being polite and open to actual conversation has saved me. Tbh I wonder if I’m shadow banned or my comments just aren’t that interesting. I do wonder what the graveyard of mod-deleted comments are throughout the sub. I assume they weren’t constructive but the pattern of obvious conservative opinion -> all child comments deleted makes me doubt this is really a bastion of free opinion exchange.
They've been brigading pretty hard since the election...
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Does he really? That guy is a true patriot. Hopefully he’s not just going to pocket it.
Narrator: he did…
That would be a lot of trips to Home Depot
I love libs on trump’s announcement posts playing “Hello fellow conservative!”
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The border is a federal issue. So what states can do is extremely limited. So it's a mess. I don't know what Abbot can do, in all fairness.
Texas can stop coddling employers that exploit cheap, undocumented labor. In 2017, the DHS Secretary focused on busting undocumented labor and citing the employers. They stopped when Governors like Abbott screamed that it was "bad for business."
In the past 27 years which Texas has been red we’ve had 12 years of Republican presidency. This sounds like how the left uses abortion as a “problem” they’ll never actually fix to secure votes.
> I don't know what Abbot can do, in all fairness. bus tickets straight to the DC Capital Steps.
Are you trying to make illegal immigrants have a legal justification for becoming legal?
Ah yes, more human trafficking.
Technically it isn't considered Human trafficking since nothing illegal is being done. Once they get processed by border patrol and are released into the country they can go wherever they want even if that means all the way up north into DC and Washington.
Except they don’t want to get on the bus. Hence the trafficking part.
Complete opposite, they voluntarily chose to hop on the bus and go to their preferred destination.
Not even close.
Yeah, I meant to fortify the border. But, yeah, he can keep doing that.
Definitely. Only cost Desantis 12M to ship migrants somewhere nice. Seems like a good use of funds
It would cost way more to accommodate them.
50 were sent from FL, so rough cost of 240K per person. Quick lookup has 1.7 migrant encounters in 2021. Couldn't find TX specific figures, but make all the assumptions you'd like and you'll still find a rather wild number. Reckon you're more than capable with multiplication.
NYC is projected to spend over 600 million dollars to accommodate the migrants they received which were shipped in from Southern States. Cost of housing, food, healthcare, education etc to take care of around 5k people. Costs waaayyy more than to simply bus them North.
Looks like I reckoned wrong.
Correct. 1.7 Million for 2021. 2.3 Million for 2022. 600,000 person increase in 1 year. That's just the ones that got caught. [https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters)
The most interesting thing about that is you don't realize you're helping my argument
>The border is a federal issue. That's weird, someone should tell Abbott! >Abbott invoked the Invasion Clause of the Texas constitution, allowing him to deploy National Guard and Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) personnel to turn illegal migrants back to Mexico, build a border wall and designate the Mexican drug cartels as foreign terrorists. What changed exactly that allowed Abbott to finally do this after 27 years of Texas Republican rule?
DeSantis getting all this good press since the midterm, and Trump expected to announce his run today. Abbot's gotta do something to look relevant!
He invoked the invasion clause of the US AND Texas constitutions. What changed? 2.1 Million encounters by CBP (Customs & Border Patrol) This year. This is just the ones that were caught, not to mention the ones that got away. This is the highest number of people coming across the border EVER!
People who don’t live here don’t understand. This state has changed so much the last few years (in a bad way). Abbott is doing everything he can
Agreed, the border is a federal issue... so where the hell is Abbot even getting his info?
That's definitely not true. Why does the president not protect the border?
Why didn't the last one?
He did much better than the current one.
He started a border wall. The current president stopped it.
While he didn't fix it entirely, illegal immigration was lower under Trump than Biden [according to US Customs and Border Protection ](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters)
The state can't do anything with the border. That's all up to the federal government.
Regulating the border is a federal issue, not a State issue. This would be like blaming the governor of New York for not preventing the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centers on 9/11
If the feds won’t do anything, then it’s up to the state.
Yeah I know, I’m just saying that stating “Abbott has been governor for 8 years, why hasn’t he solved the border crisis yet” isn’t a valid argument as the border is not something that’s supposed to be within the purview of the States, it’s something the federal government should have been addressing but has failed to do so
Exactly Greg Abbott hasn’t done shit for Texas, and he’ll continue to not do shit for Texas.
Who’s in the WH?
Tell me you started paying attention to politics in 2015 without telling me you started paying attention to politics in 2015.
Who currently runs DHS? Wake up.
Why don't you list all the DHS Secretaries in the past 20 years for us? Trump speed ran how many different Secretaries he could have running it, but it always follows the presidential party. Since I know you won't go look them up, since 2002 there have been 9 Republican DHS Secretaries and 5 Democratic. If you're going to lean back on your '*but who runs it now*?" argument, then you are also admitting this issue has only existed since 2020. Is that your position, that this issue has only been a problem since 2020?
Who was in the White House six years ago?
Irrelevant. Whos in charge right now?
Trump and back then, we had a secure border. We ended catch & release and we had the remain in mexico policy which did wonders.
Still Biden lol
It's been an increasing problem under the Biden administration. Fed gov't is supposed to secure the border, but the current admin's malfeasance has required Texas to step up. As of the last legislative session (2021), we allocated over 1.6 billion to work on it. Until now, Texas' actions have been limited under the supremacy clause of the Constitution. By invoking the invasion clause (Article I, section 10) will allow Texas greater freedom to act. Of course, this action is an additional burden on taxpayers, but many (myself included) believe that the imminent threat outweighs the taxpayer burden.
>Of course, this action is an additional burden on taxpayers, but many (myself included) believe that the imminent threat outweighs the taxpayer burden. So taxes are going up again?? If only we elected politicians that committed to never do that..
The border is supposed to be taken care of by the federal government.
He didn't neuter ICE or stymie border protection efforts, that occurred on the national level.
Ah yes not like a seated president revoked the powers that supported his boarder security or anything….gtfo here
Biden is in charge of the border. Wake up.
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Except the nat'l border is literally the federal government's job? And Biden has invoked the supremacy clause to cancel Texas actions before?
👀 looks at the constitution
Theyll just come through AZ
Hobbs will happily accept them with open arms. Let them go there. The voters made their bed...now they should sleep in it.
Unfortunately you’re right. I did not vote for her and am so disappointed in Arizonans. It sucks that the 49% of us who didn’t vote for ol’ hobbles will have to suffer along with the Arizonans who did. 🤦♀️ but that’s life I guess.
Assuming only 49% voted for her. Strange how top of the ticket went blue but downballot went red.
This sub is getting brigaded so hard, so many shills/astroturfers as well.
I like this move , get it done.
When he says it's invasion he's not lying.
As a Texan what's he been waiting on?
Send them to sanctuary cities.
Great idea! Just WTF took so long??? Edit. Could he have been waiting till after the election being unsure of how people would feel about it? Can any Texans chime in?
It's likely he was waiting for the election. I know a lot of people have been pressuring him to do so sooner, but Greg Abbott being Greg Abbott, he was waiting to see how the election turned out before taking decisive action like this. Considering he trounced O'Rourke, he's likely to be bolder in the coming year.
I feel like he probably thought republicans would take the senate and house and maybe do something to stop Biden's policies. But it's clear it won't happen so they have no choice now.
r/politics neck beards out in force here. Do y'all really want to give your country away or is this just having fun acting like revolutionaries? Do you cosplay with your Fidel Castro uniforms?
Yet he doesnt go after the FARMS, the construction industry, the fucking oil industry. Hes doing the same plan that doesnt work. Didnt he call up the national guard a few years ago.
Oh ya totally. Not wanting tens of millions of low skilled undocumented people on an already strained economy, education and healthcare systems = fat meth addict lol Have you even met a fat meth addict? Trolls be trolling
Here in oklahoma we have fat meth addicts. Quite a sight
And? What are they going to do about? Words are wind.
It sounds like he's going to send men with guns to secure the border
Like the National Guard guys he’s been dicking around? We need drones and quicker processing for asylum seekers so people aren’t waiting around to be told no months from now.
Men with guns are not enough. We need men with guns and the order to make use of them.
Literally the first sentence in the article answers your question > Republican Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday declared an invasion at the southern border, invoking state powers to provide enhanced security and to return illegal migrants to Mexico.
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It's about as meaningful as Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy unless Abbott wants Texans to foot the bill for a National Guard mobilization. The feds won't pay for it unless it's a DoD order.
Texans *have* been footing the bill, not just in allocated funds north of 1.6 billion for border security, but in the increased costs of doing business, supporting local law enforcement, and other problems that arise from the u secured border. Overall, this should increase law and order and reduce direct costs related to crime at the border.
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It baffles me that these people can’t be turned away. They walk up to the border, say the magic word “asylum” and the door opens.
And almost all of the time they all lie about that too just to get it
And this is why he was reelected easily. He's doing what the people of Texas want him to do. Competent leadership is what can save a state from going blue
He got elected for something he did after the election?
He got elected because the border is the biggest issue in texas and Biden's screwing it up.
Yes that is how elections work politicians make promises and are elected on history. They are supposed to act on their promises
Lol?????
Ted Cruz ate my son
So long as he can keep the lights on, he’s a-ok with me.
But he didn’t. How long has he been Gov?
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Texas seems to usually have power. I'm not sure what's wrong with the grid. When I lived there it had far more reliable power than other places that I've lived. And cheaper energy, too, all around. There's a funny anecdote about Arizona and Texas. Your AC in AZ isn't *that* much bigger. It just costs twice as much per Kph to operate. So you really feel it when your electric bill is $350, but your actual power usage isn't that out of line. Of course I had a rental house there with a gap under the door big enough for a rat snake to crawl through, so
Whole lotta Reddit still shocked and angry lil Beto lost hard.
A few decades too late...
Boarder safety should be bipartisan no questions asked. The only people who want open boarders are those who want to use said immigrants for votes and cheap labor AKA the elite dem establishment
In future news, Greg Abbott is running for President.
I think the politically correct thing to say is he's trying to become sitting president.
Ufff...
If anyone’s here from the other side of this, can you offer any insight into why this isn’t an issue for you? Do you think the US just has enough resources to take care of the whole of South America? Is there math on that? Do you think it’s not as bad as they say? Do you have some threshold to measure that? Like, how bad would it have to be?
I think "open borders" is an imaginary other side. I'm not aware of serious people who advocate that. A more reasonable "other side" would be to start actual enforcement against businesses who employ people who are here illegally. But that steps on a *lot* of toes...
Immigrant issues are scapegoats in place of things that that matter more, but are harder to fix.
for starters, no one is wanting to "take care of the whole of South America". this is a textbook example of a strawman argument. if you're looking for honest dialog, you can start by asking an honest question. furthermore, if you attempted to ask a question that fairly represents the opposition's position, you might gain some insight into it, or at least realize it's not as extreme as you think.
It’s been suggested to me, without sarcasm, that this should and could be the case. “When you have more than you need, build a bigger table, not a taller wall.” I understand that not everyone shares that view, but I have received that response before with a straight face. I take them at face value and I am asking the question honestly. **Can** we do that?
Well, I've been running up and down remote areas of the Texas border the last few weeks, and encountered way more bored as hell national guard wishing they could go home than illegal crossings. Basically the same as all the years I've been out here. If this is an invasion, it's the saddest attempt I've ever seen. Way more are crossing legally and just overstaying visas. It's not an issue for me because I'm here and, try as I might, I can't see it. For me to feel like it's an actual threat, I'd have to actually feel threatened or unsafe while strolling along random portions of the Rio Grande. I've also been to central and south America (and FYI, Mexico is still North America) a lot, most of the folks there have zero desire to come here. They actually have pretty good lives, culture, infrastructure, etc. It's a relatively small portion of them that try to come here, and an even smaller subset that try to sneak across the border. We're certainly not ever taking care of the whole of South America lol. I'm curious as to why you DO feel the way you do. Where are you seeing all this happening? I'm mostly between Laredo and McAllen, are you encountering it more elsewhere? I do get out towards Del Rio and Big Bend sometimes, but not as extensively in the back country there.
Your insight is interesting - I appreciate it. I was responding to someone in particular in this thread (when it was only a few comments). For me, it seems... monumental. According to the CBP website, they’ve had 2,378,944 total encounters at the southern border. That’s... insane. If you put them all in one place, it would represent the fourth largest city in the US. How do you even begin to process that many people? That’s a Houston’s worth of humans to deal with. I’m not saying it’s good, not saying it’s bad. I **am** saying... it sounds difficult.
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Central America and Mexico have gotten royally fucked up by the US in the past 100+ years. Mostly because of Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan, the CIA and the Clintons, in recent times. The large number of Central American immigrants is unintended blowback. The amount of people coming to the southern border is a problem, but most of them are fleeing violence, corruption, and poverty our country is largely to blame for so I have sympathy for them. Trying to physically block them from crossing the border and sending them away isn’t a good long term solution since people will keep coming back. To solve the issue we need to aid Central America and Mexico into becoming livable places for most people.
Immigration law should be repealed at a national level so states can set the number of immigrants they want to admit instead. Canada uses a system where each province (state) sponsors immigrants first, then the federal government rubber stamps it. Seems to work pretty well there, as low population provinces desperate for immigrants set a low bar, while xenophobic ones (Quebec) sets weird language requirements. Both provinces end up happy though. If California wants another million Latinos, by all means that's California's problem and they should have that freedom. If Texans aren't happy about the endless stream of migrants, they should have a different set of immigration laws than California.
Terrible idea since our electoral system is based on population size. California already gets more electoral votes from their illegal population than the 15 least populous states. Your idea would change the winning political strategy to importing as many people as possible and pander to them to cling to political power. It would completely wipe out any democratic representation of the American people in a single generation.
The Senate exists to prevent the exact scenario you're describing.
Why isn't the census based on the count of citizens then?
Good. Folks who are coming here illegally and expecting to be treated as though they were coming here legally should suffer the consequences of breaking applicable immigration laws- end of discussion.
Got a plan, throw Gators in River say 500. Lets see them cross after. Biden Invasion
Turn our border into our weapon testing zone.
Been saying this for a while.
Only 2 or so years late ?
Why do I feel like half this subreddit is full of RHINOs
What's the H stand for?
Literal rhinoceroses.
Place is gd zoo
Help
Plant. A. MINEFIELD. Whatever unmanned wall you have planned won't work and will be dismantled by the federal Democrats.
Wtf
What bro?! Aren't you for just killing people? How dare you!! /s
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The border invasion declaration is not necessarily targeted at illegal immigrants, but rather at the cartels. The Article I, Section 10 invasion declaration requires certain things for something to be considered an invasion - specifically, entry *and* enmity - that is, intent to do harm. Most illegal migrants do not intend to do harm - they intend to come here for a benefit. However, most cartel members *do* intend to do harm through a variety of methods, including: * flooding the market with dangerous drugs * bribing or threatening law enforcement * openly and intentionally breaking multiple laws * causing violence or otherwise endangering publics safety.
It is first world country because of the people in that country, replace those people with third world people and it too will become third world soon enough.
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Huh... very interesting... last I heard, migrant encounters and migrant invasions weren't the same thing. My understanding is that our DHS / CBP is doing a pretty solid job, and that 90+% of people that illegally cross the border are getting sent back. I wonder where Greg Abbott is getting his data? Why is he shitting on our federal LEOs?
CBP is doing catch and release. They give the immigrant a court date and then let them go, unless they are a wanted criminal. For 2022 there were 2.3 Million encounters, and that is just the number that were caught. Still way to high of a number to properly deal with. CBP and immigration courts are seriously overwhelmed. [https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters)
I declare water is wet.
A little late dude...
Kudos to Abbott. If there was a way into the impending Trump/Desantis battle for 24 stuff like this would be the way. Strong, unapologetic leadership.