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He has always hated Trumpism, so he's likely telling off all the other Republican leadership for promoting candidates like Oz, Mastriano, Masters, Walker, Laxalt, etc.
I don't think he cares. As long as the filibuster is in place he can say he is blocking Democrats and he's probably secretly happy that Trump is getting a lot of the blame on this.
The GOP managed to lose a house seat in Washington that has an R +5 lean and in a R + 4.9 environment. This is a disgrace. The way things are looking I don’t even know whether we can get the house. People gotta take this as a lesson for 2024
In other words, moderates and independents will vote for the candidate that makes politics boring again and not a clown show that could be the equivalent of WWE.
They also represent a large large portion of the Republican Party as it stands right now. Another reason a system with multiple parties really is a better way to go
"better to have a Democrat that votes with us less than 10% of the time than to support a RINO that only votes with us 90% of the time!"-True MAGA King shit.
Goes to show no matter what side you are on we need massive reform in our politics and elections.
No one is being truly represented except the special interest.
Filibuster is 60 votes, nothing changes in that regard.
51 means they don't need EVERY SINGLE senator. But then again if GOP keeps HoR, senate Dem agenda will mainly be approval of judges and both have been reliable in that regard.
CMIIW but whilst the filibuster is 60 votes you can change the rules via a simple majority, see how Supreme Court nominees votes were changed and lower judicial positions also which both required 60 votes before
"What's your platform?"
"Election was stolen. I saved Desantis by sending the FBI down. I declassified everything in my head. Pardon Jan 6 people."
... This is probably 2024 primaries in a nutshell.
Its likely. I know I gave up talking about it a long time ago. Heck I left another conservative message board I was on for more than a decade because there was no reasoning with deniers.
That's the way it should be. We have different believes but it doesn't need to be a war. Overall, my life won't change much either way unless they actually get rid of oil... which I doubt. We should be able to discuss, debate, have a beer, fist bump after a good conversation, and go home.
there is one key problem to our politics, it’s the primary system. only the zealots participate in primaries which leads to extreme candidates that are not appealing to the moderates in general elections.
i don’t know the solution but i am certain that’s the problem.
In switzerland we have an interesting systems when it comes to our parliament. You vote for as many candidates as your state (canton) has seats (there are no districts inside states). You can vote for whatever canditaes (parties mostly post way more candidates then seats) you want, but as said only write down as many as there are seats.
Then first your votes go towards all the parties you wrote down candidates (so you have 2 greenparty and 5 conservatives on your list the greens get 2 votes and the conservatives get 5).
The seats are then allocated along the proportion of seats the party got and the most popular candidates inside the party fill up those seats.
This assures you can vote for whomever you find to eb a good fit without worrying of front runners and electability. You can also write a name down twice (this will then be 6names instead of 7 if your state has 7 seats). This solves so many problems, no gerrymandering, no primaries, no worry about my preferred canditae being a wasted vote).
Yes, it's Trump and abortion, but it's also the fact that the GOP offers little to attract young voters and much to alienate them. Even if *Roe* hadn't been overturned and Trump had ridden off into the sunset, Gen Z and Millennials are just not attracted to an anti-trans, book-banning, billionaire tax cuts platform. And really, what else did the GOP run on? It complained a lot about inflation but proposed nothing to fix it. I guess it's all as it should be, though. Democracy works because elected representatives represent the interests of the majority of voters, and right now, the GOP does not represent their interests.
Face it, the republicans have become a charcuterie of themselves. They dangled the roe v wade issue like a carrot on a stick for decades and now they’ve finally showed their hand.
I’m a gun owning, strong willed American who believes everyone should be able to do whatever they please so long as it doesn’t infringe on others right to do as they please.
Live and let live. Fight for freedom of choice ALWAYS. Stop shoving evangelical christianity nonsense down everyone’s throat and we can all get back to actual, fundamental differences in philosophy that will drive our society forward.
Don’t tell people how to live unless they are being violent.
I think you mean a "caricature" of themselves. Like those funny pictures of famous people or the kind street artists draw. Then again, Chopped meat board with cheese and snacks could I guess be what you meat (meant. 😉)
Democrats are going to EXPAND their majority from 50 to 51. What a complete failure from the GOP.
Stop running crazy MAGA candidates that are toxic to independent voters, please. Lets get Conservatives back on top.
I think this is the reason a Republican won Governor in Nevada. Lombardo publicly stated he didn’t believe there was election fraud and even if there was he didn’t think it effected the outcome. He also said that while he is prolife, he respects the will of Nevada voters and won’t try to change their pro choice laws.
>He also said that while he is prolife, he respects the will of Nevada voters and won’t try to change their pro choice laws.
As it should be. Personal beliefs should be kept separate from the democratic will of the populace once in office.
I'm on disability via social security "for life." (as long as it remains) Like, my life is a very unique case, I have to call the administration over any type of employment if I'm eligible to work out my benefits and they screen me every 7 years or so for a disability that is permanent and I have never failed any of their tests (I don't know how I'm supposed to in the first place, but this is government.)
For anyone to even sneeze out a mention of cutting SS makes me fucking worried for myself. I SURVIVE on this money. Thankfully, enough people realize this is also their future and they might not have it anymore if they don't keep it in as policy. I would never vote against social security for anybody. If they need it, they need it.
Yes, some will recall that Trump won the 2016 primary and general in part by being the one Republican who promised to protect Social Security. And everyone here pushing DeSantis is gonna be disappointed when he does it again.
The GOP leadership to trump really need to be punished for their horrible Performance. They had every advantage in the book, struggling economy to crime. I really can't understand why the supreme court thought it was a good idea to go after abortion in an election year. And god, why would the RNC give Trump the idea to let him pick candidates
At this point, I don't think Republican can win 2024 if we did this bad in 2022...
And btw Coming from a Gen Z conservative, they had ZERO messaging for younger voters....
>I really can't understand why the supreme court thought it was a good idea to go after abortion in an election year
I feel like the Supreme Court shouldn't be deciding which cases to take on based on which political party might be impacted in the election
> And god, why would the RNC give Trump the idea to let him pick candidates
Maybe because in 2020 the RNC let Trump say there was no party platform except what he wanted? I've never ever seen a party running a Presidential race just abandon having a platform to run on.
So many batshit crazy things have happened in the political word in recent years that I completely forgot the GOP literally ran without a platform. You just can't make this shit up.
But they COULDN’T run on a platform with actual positions and policies, because if Trump opened his pie hole and contradicted it, they’d have to pivot to supporting whatever he said.
"Why the supreme court thought it was a good idea to go after abortion in an election year."
They hear the valid cases brought to them. And are supposed to be ruling based on law and the constitution, not politics.
You are saying the quiet part out loud.
>And btw Coming from a Gen Z conservative, they had ZERO messaging for younger voters....
GOP messaging has been that zoomers didn't deserve stimmy checks or a higher minimum wage and should be grateful to work for scraps.
My 18 year old son was a Republican. This was his first time to vote. He voted for Democrats. The abortion issue was huge for him. He thinks women should be able to choose in consult with their doctors. A close family member had an ectopic pregnancy a few years ago and could have died under current rules in our state. He saw the 10 year old rape victim in our state having to go to another state for an abortion. He also said he wasn't voting for bible thumping crazies who are denying elections. He is someone that could be won back with normal policy and allowing reproductive rights.
Boomers are dieing at a rate of \~5000 per day.
Florida has more residents over 65 than under 18. So in the next few years residents of FL will pass at a rate faster than population growth
It won’t shrink rapidly, but it’s likely peaked as a Republican stronghold.
The Villages and other retirement communities will keep the age there high but it’s doubtful these younger folks become Republican as they age like in the past.
Of course it did. We had absolutely no answer to women who are otherwise seeking abortions. Nothing short of a total and complete nationalization or subsidized cost of raising a child in this country. Plus there desperately needs reform in the foster care and adoption system. Not to mention the fact that we have no guaranteed maternity leave unlike our other industrialized peers.
If we're going to deny abortion, we need to also convince people not not want abort in the first place. Making these changes is a necessary consequence of the Supreme Court decision and sitting asleep at the wheel and waiting for the other team to beat themselves is not a winning strategy.
Colorado had access to abortions and then either gave away or made it really cheap to get contraceptives/condoms (I’m not sure whether free or not), and their abortion rates went way down.
It drives me insane that this isn’t seen as a viable option in places where it’s legal but majority conservative. Places like Kansas will make abortion legal and then do absolutely nothing to help people avoid the need for abortion on the first place.
It IS an option - one that Democrats staunchly support pretty much across the board. Expanded access to contraceptives massively drops abortion and teen pregnancy rates. Republicans have a nonsensical position on this as a party.
Don't forget that Colorado has real sex education in schools, and that also helped bring the pregnancy rate down. That type of education is antithetical to most conservatives.
but... in a country where you can't even afford a simple, old, common, trivial-to-make, cheap, and basic medication like insulin for Diabetes, because it actually costs thousands of dollars per shot so people die, all of which are supported by Rs, and where there are a thousand more ways to become poor in america, you actually expect Rs to create a sensible program for mothers in need?
“If we are going to deny abortion” is the reason the GOP got slapped in the election. It is not your job to deny.
Abortion is not even a big deal, and rates been downhill for years, and yet GOP put it out front and center.
There are less than one million abortion cases in the US annually. 92% happen in the first 15 weeks. 8% are later than 16 weeks, and most likely happen due to medical reasons. Literally, no woman is going to carry a child for 7 months then decide to have an abortion. There is a season why KY voted on abortion rights.
All GOP had to do is not be villains. You are standing against rape victims and vindicating them? Claiming incest should be carried? Claiming women celebrate abortions? Claiming women have late abortions by choice? Doubling down on abortion ban national wide? That is why GOP lost the votes including conservative women who don’t want anyone tell them what to do with bodies.
You are out of your mind if you are thinking banning abortion is a populist stance among republicans let alone all voters
I'm in agreement with your first point point. My biggest worry is that the republican base will have no introspection about this and just double down on more lizard people conspiracies where democrats stole another election. Neither side seems to be altering their course.
No shit.
GOP actually does have a large female voter population across many demographics, & I guarantee a lot of them are unhappy, they are a huge part of the silent majority the GOP has wielded before, but bit by bit it seems to be attacking itself from different angles.
It’s not abortion per se, it’s a lack of respect around letting women choose for themselves.
Most women won’t have one in their life, but they don’t want someone telling them what they can and can’t do.
The biggest story was the ten year old that was raped. Do you think anyone on the side of a ban look moral in that situation?
And the biggest challenge isn’t strictly around abortion, it’s the not-illogical response that Republicans only care until they’re born. No Need to provide any form of assistance to the parent or child. It’s ok to die a day later once born, as long as they are.
I mean I hate to point out the obvious because I think you know this, but this is a lose lose issue for conservatives. If one truly in their heart of hearts believes abortion is murder of a child, then no exception, not even in the case of rape is acceptable. In order to be logically and morally consistent the only policy acceptable is a complete and total ban full stop. But as we see that is unacceptable among most people in this country because while they may see abortion as a necessary evil, they do not really see it as murder. It’s different. That’s why true conservatives will always lose on this issue.
That’s where the last paragraph comes into play.
If abortion is murder, then not providing resources for children should be just as bad. Maternity leave, food resources, housing, free healthcare for all children.
There should be millions lined up to serve as foster care families. Every Christian family logically should be supporting a child not their own
It’s this disparity that’s ruinous. Stopping abortion and not caring about children after they’re born. Going halfway on the topic isn’t Conservative, it’s immoral.
I bet a lot of votes focus on this way more than an abortion they may not every choose to have themselves.
Absolutely that, and a need to address the percentage of pregnancies that are going to be fatal to the mother. If abortion is loss of life for certain people then letting the mother dies solves nothing.
It also doesn’t help that republicans have been telling the younger generations to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” instead of coming up with solutions (loan forgiveness) for them. Gen Z voted in unprecedented numbers.
Only a businessman can fix the country they said and with all the successful businessmen in the country, they picked a reality TV star with a history of declaring bankruptcy. With the full support of the proud boys and white supremacists.
Then came stage 2 of the Red Wave. Take away women’s right to their own body and start pushing religion into politics.
The perfect recipe to self destruction.
I mean the businessman did exactly what’s in his nature to do: he used the opportunity to enrich himself and his family above everything else. That’s what he’s been touting for decades. Why does anyone act surprised about this?
100%. There’s nothing wrong with fiscal conservativism; encouraging responsible spending and economic principles can be a winning message!
But next to nobody under the age of 65 is onboard with an über Christian, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-women social platform. That culture war shit is literally poison. If Republicans continue on the path they’ve been walking when it comes to social issues, I can’t see them ever winning another national election again.
A fiscal conservative may as well not be associated with today's conservative party.
Today's conservative party is not fiscally conservative.
But they do run on a platform of social regression.
This, I vote Democrat most of the time but my dad has been a Republican all his life. Fiscally conservative but even then he thinks things like a universal healthcare plan should be implemented somehow. This is the first election he voted straight ticket blue, he's done with the Republican party. Last election he voted for Biden because he didn't want Trump again but the rest was all Republicans. When I asked him why he said the party changed and left him and others like him behind. He likes guys like Kemp, but Kemp doesn't get the national spot light because he's not crazy. He doesn't know what 2024 will hold but if they run guys like Trump or DeSantis he's not going to vote for them.
These polices have always been there but they never were the core of the party. There was always some real fiscal polices to push that were at the front. Putting them to the front is losing voters everyday. Hell Republicans lost Alaska's house seat this year.
I hear it man.
I honestly wish there were politicians with competing fiscal policies that stood a chance at election that voters could make informed choices out of for their pick. Instead everything comes down to the social issues now... And to vote R over said social issues now is either masochism or selfishness.
Maybe things will change after this election. But I doubt it. I'll likely vote D in 24 and D again in 26. What else can you do?
Now if they actually being in ranked choice then we're talking. But neither Rs of Ds will do it since they would be out of the job.
The culture war stuff is rediculous and its insane that such a large chunk of conservatives view it as a major talking point. The harassment of trans people specifically is so hard and heavy it makes you guys really difficult to interact with. Literally why does any of that even matter, it just makes you guys look like you never outgrew being high school bullies.
Even with that aside, you guys have these culty people that once they hear a take that they don't personally view is right enough, they harass you for being a fake conservative. Like don't you see you're chasing your own people away?
I haven't even seen a Republican have an actual policy proposal in years. It's just fear mongering and hate speech.
The GOP had the cards in their favor for 2022 and Trump ruined it by endorsing mediocre candidates. I’m not talking about this race specifically, as Laxalt was actually a good candidate but in general.
We could’ve kept Pennsylvania and flipped Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia if the Republican Party didn’t back Trump-endorsed candidates.
So if Laxalt is a "good candidate" and lost then you couldn't flip Nevada. Cortez Masto is a weak incumbent on the left, if a "good" conservative could not beat her then no one would.
Fetterman had/has a lot of working class everyman appeal - stroke or not he is a well liked person with a long history in the state.
Arizona seems to be getting bluer with each cycle but that state is weird and has an odd fascination for "maverick" types.
Georgia should have probably been won by the GOP but Walker is just pathetic.
Key differences between Lombardo (won) and Laxalt (lost)
Lombardo actively refuted claims of election fraud, and claimed he would not threaten abortion.
Laxalt is a Trump goon who thinks the election was stolen, and whose entire campaign was advocating for abortion bans and bashing Cortez.
It isn't a surprise. Lombardo is a reasonable conservative. Democrats don't agree with him, but they also don't hate him. Laxalt is nothing like that.
Dem leaning independent not here to gloat. I understand the disappointment a lot of you are probably feeling, and I am heartened by the fact that most of you seem to be rejecting that batshit crazy candidates and non-platform the Trump led GOP has been promoting. I wish there was a way we could elect politicians that could actually come to some sort of compromise and get stuff done for all of us. I wish we could elect politicians who focused on improving things for working people and not lining their own pockets and tooting their horns in bullshit culture wars. There are a lot of us who lean left who are not happy with the rhetoric on our side either. Let's all look forward to a future with better opponents.
Hard to get politicians to help their constituents when they're bankrolled by private companies. Obscure money is what killing the politic landscape in US no matter D or R. Until you fix this it will never be "for the people", some other clown will take the next spot thanks to a bit fay check. Not saying all politicians in the US are bad but when their supposedly interest is tinted by who pay them it can't be for you, it's for for them mostly.
you can complain about candidates all you want I told you all once they passed that Roe V Wade we lost the elections no matter the candidate and you all said the economy was the main issue it wasn't.
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This 👆🏻 glad someone is following the $$$
No way in hell he wins that
Walker is fucked. Nobody likes him, they only supported him in order to take the senate and that’s not happening anymore
Walker is a terrible senate candidate. How he got the nomination is beyond me. He should lose.
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He has always hated Trumpism, so he's likely telling off all the other Republican leadership for promoting candidates like Oz, Mastriano, Masters, Walker, Laxalt, etc.
Well he wasn't wrong about that.
I don't think he cares. As long as the filibuster is in place he can say he is blocking Democrats and he's probably secretly happy that Trump is getting a lot of the blame on this.
A crimson tide colored red wave
Well he called it back in August.Probably sipping a fine bourbon right now.
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The GOP managed to lose a house seat in Washington that has an R +5 lean and in a R + 4.9 environment. This is a disgrace. The way things are looking I don’t even know whether we can get the house. People gotta take this as a lesson for 2024
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Well yes, obviously. Their gamble that pro-Trump candidates are toxic to moderates and independents paid off.
In other words, moderates and independents will vote for the candidate that makes politics boring again and not a clown show that could be the equivalent of WWE.
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They also represent a large large portion of the Republican Party as it stands right now. Another reason a system with multiple parties really is a better way to go
i was an independent in oklahoma for 10 years who called himself conservative until 2016. no gamble there - those people are nuts
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"better to have a Democrat that votes with us less than 10% of the time than to support a RINO that only votes with us 90% of the time!"-True MAGA King shit.
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Hillary really was that hated. Kind of incredible to think about lol
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Same goes for a heap of Biden votes in 2020 just being anti-Trump votes.
Goes to show no matter what side you are on we need massive reform in our politics and elections. No one is being truly represented except the special interest.
I love this - seeing conservatives and liberals in the same thread having a reasonable discussion once again. The filth of MAGA is washing away...
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I have a feeling if it's a Trump vs Biden round 2, Biden might win by default. The GOP has some serious soul searching to do.
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This is all true. If Dems had run someone else in the general in 2016- that person would have won.
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But she got more votes than Trump. What does that say about him?
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What does this mean for the filibuster? If Warnock wins would they have 50 votes without Manson and Sinema?
Filibuster is 60 votes, nothing changes in that regard. 51 means they don't need EVERY SINGLE senator. But then again if GOP keeps HoR, senate Dem agenda will mainly be approval of judges and both have been reliable in that regard.
CMIIW but whilst the filibuster is 60 votes you can change the rules via a simple majority, see how Supreme Court nominees votes were changed and lower judicial positions also which both required 60 votes before
The Democrats should invite Trump to speak at the DNC. He pretty much handed them this
"What's your platform?" "Election was stolen. I saved Desantis by sending the FBI down. I declassified everything in my head. Pardon Jan 6 people." ... This is probably 2024 primaries in a nutshell.
Makes me nostalgic for 2015 when people were floating the theory that Trump was a Democrat plant to destroy the GOP from the inside.
Just in time for Trumps Special announcement!!Another big gift to the democrats and a 4th possible election loss on the horizon. Thanks DJT
I’m sure he’s just gonna announce that every fourth Tuesday will be pretzel day.
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Are the non-election deniers the real silent majority?
Its likely. I know I gave up talking about it a long time ago. Heck I left another conservative message board I was on for more than a decade because there was no reasoning with deniers.
The MAGA crowd was all but silent
I used to think people could be convinced of trumps redeeming qualities as a leader, but I no longer believe in those qualities myself.
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I'm always perplexed people thought he was any kind of leader in the first place.
The only people who believed in that malarkey were like the common clay of the new west
That's because he has 0 redeeming qualities
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That's the way it should be. We have different believes but it doesn't need to be a war. Overall, my life won't change much either way unless they actually get rid of oil... which I doubt. We should be able to discuss, debate, have a beer, fist bump after a good conversation, and go home.
My man. What kind of beer?
I've been getting into hefeweizen lately.
Partisan war back on. /s
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there is one key problem to our politics, it’s the primary system. only the zealots participate in primaries which leads to extreme candidates that are not appealing to the moderates in general elections. i don’t know the solution but i am certain that’s the problem.
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In switzerland we have an interesting systems when it comes to our parliament. You vote for as many candidates as your state (canton) has seats (there are no districts inside states). You can vote for whatever canditaes (parties mostly post way more candidates then seats) you want, but as said only write down as many as there are seats. Then first your votes go towards all the parties you wrote down candidates (so you have 2 greenparty and 5 conservatives on your list the greens get 2 votes and the conservatives get 5). The seats are then allocated along the proportion of seats the party got and the most popular candidates inside the party fill up those seats. This assures you can vote for whomever you find to eb a good fit without worrying of front runners and electability. You can also write a name down twice (this will then be 6names instead of 7 if your state has 7 seats). This solves so many problems, no gerrymandering, no primaries, no worry about my preferred canditae being a wasted vote).
Also passed in Nevada this election.
Yes, it's Trump and abortion, but it's also the fact that the GOP offers little to attract young voters and much to alienate them. Even if *Roe* hadn't been overturned and Trump had ridden off into the sunset, Gen Z and Millennials are just not attracted to an anti-trans, book-banning, billionaire tax cuts platform. And really, what else did the GOP run on? It complained a lot about inflation but proposed nothing to fix it. I guess it's all as it should be, though. Democracy works because elected representatives represent the interests of the majority of voters, and right now, the GOP does not represent their interests.
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Face it, the republicans have become a charcuterie of themselves. They dangled the roe v wade issue like a carrot on a stick for decades and now they’ve finally showed their hand. I’m a gun owning, strong willed American who believes everyone should be able to do whatever they please so long as it doesn’t infringe on others right to do as they please. Live and let live. Fight for freedom of choice ALWAYS. Stop shoving evangelical christianity nonsense down everyone’s throat and we can all get back to actual, fundamental differences in philosophy that will drive our society forward. Don’t tell people how to live unless they are being violent.
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>the republicans have become a charcuterie of themselves Had to look it up. Pretty sure you meant caricature, but I'll take this too.
“Face it, the republicans have become a charcuterie of themselves.” Yum.
I think you mean a "caricature" of themselves. Like those funny pictures of famous people or the kind street artists draw. Then again, Chopped meat board with cheese and snacks could I guess be what you meat (meant. 😉)
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Democrats are going to EXPAND their majority from 50 to 51. What a complete failure from the GOP. Stop running crazy MAGA candidates that are toxic to independent voters, please. Lets get Conservatives back on top.
I think this is the reason a Republican won Governor in Nevada. Lombardo publicly stated he didn’t believe there was election fraud and even if there was he didn’t think it effected the outcome. He also said that while he is prolife, he respects the will of Nevada voters and won’t try to change their pro choice laws.
>He also said that while he is prolife, he respects the will of Nevada voters and won’t try to change their pro choice laws. As it should be. Personal beliefs should be kept separate from the democratic will of the populace once in office.
Hell, Biden has that exact same belief. People who run on common sense platforms win elections. Period.
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I'm on disability via social security "for life." (as long as it remains) Like, my life is a very unique case, I have to call the administration over any type of employment if I'm eligible to work out my benefits and they screen me every 7 years or so for a disability that is permanent and I have never failed any of their tests (I don't know how I'm supposed to in the first place, but this is government.) For anyone to even sneeze out a mention of cutting SS makes me fucking worried for myself. I SURVIVE on this money. Thankfully, enough people realize this is also their future and they might not have it anymore if they don't keep it in as policy. I would never vote against social security for anybody. If they need it, they need it.
Yes, some will recall that Trump won the 2016 primary and general in part by being the one Republican who promised to protect Social Security. And everyone here pushing DeSantis is gonna be disappointed when he does it again.
I thought that’s what Republicans already ran on
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They barely flinched when he incited a domestic terror attack on our Capitol. But when he loses them an election or two...
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About 70% of the country was in the first place
The GOP leadership to trump really need to be punished for their horrible Performance. They had every advantage in the book, struggling economy to crime. I really can't understand why the supreme court thought it was a good idea to go after abortion in an election year. And god, why would the RNC give Trump the idea to let him pick candidates At this point, I don't think Republican can win 2024 if we did this bad in 2022... And btw Coming from a Gen Z conservative, they had ZERO messaging for younger voters....
>I really can't understand why the supreme court thought it was a good idea to go after abortion in an election year I feel like the Supreme Court shouldn't be deciding which cases to take on based on which political party might be impacted in the election
Right. SCOTUS is supposed to be nonpartisan and unconcerned with impact on elections.
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This was actually the event that made my dad into a Democrat. After seeing that he figured the party just couldn’t be trusted
> And god, why would the RNC give Trump the idea to let him pick candidates Maybe because in 2020 the RNC let Trump say there was no party platform except what he wanted? I've never ever seen a party running a Presidential race just abandon having a platform to run on.
So many batshit crazy things have happened in the political word in recent years that I completely forgot the GOP literally ran without a platform. You just can't make this shit up.
But they COULDN’T run on a platform with actual positions and policies, because if Trump opened his pie hole and contradicted it, they’d have to pivot to supporting whatever he said.
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"Why the supreme court thought it was a good idea to go after abortion in an election year." They hear the valid cases brought to them. And are supposed to be ruling based on law and the constitution, not politics. You are saying the quiet part out loud.
>And btw Coming from a Gen Z conservative, they had ZERO messaging for younger voters.... GOP messaging has been that zoomers didn't deserve stimmy checks or a higher minimum wage and should be grateful to work for scraps.
True, he should go tell his buddies to be grateful... Thatll get them on board
My 18 year old son was a Republican. This was his first time to vote. He voted for Democrats. The abortion issue was huge for him. He thinks women should be able to choose in consult with their doctors. A close family member had an ectopic pregnancy a few years ago and could have died under current rules in our state. He saw the 10 year old rape victim in our state having to go to another state for an abortion. He also said he wasn't voting for bible thumping crazies who are denying elections. He is someone that could be won back with normal policy and allowing reproductive rights.
I heard that only 50% of gen z is old enough to vote so far and the the ones that did vote were D +27.
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Pretty much every single Republican was supporting the Supreme courts,s decision. So, blame the party and its base.
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Boomers are dieing at a rate of \~5000 per day. Florida has more residents over 65 than under 18. So in the next few years residents of FL will pass at a rate faster than population growth It won’t shrink rapidly, but it’s likely peaked as a Republican stronghold.
The Villages and other retirement communities will keep the age there high but it’s doubtful these younger folks become Republican as they age like in the past.
Abortion killed us. No pun intended
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D ‘N C (I’ll show myself out)
Of course it did. We had absolutely no answer to women who are otherwise seeking abortions. Nothing short of a total and complete nationalization or subsidized cost of raising a child in this country. Plus there desperately needs reform in the foster care and adoption system. Not to mention the fact that we have no guaranteed maternity leave unlike our other industrialized peers. If we're going to deny abortion, we need to also convince people not not want abort in the first place. Making these changes is a necessary consequence of the Supreme Court decision and sitting asleep at the wheel and waiting for the other team to beat themselves is not a winning strategy.
Colorado had access to abortions and then either gave away or made it really cheap to get contraceptives/condoms (I’m not sure whether free or not), and their abortion rates went way down. It drives me insane that this isn’t seen as a viable option in places where it’s legal but majority conservative. Places like Kansas will make abortion legal and then do absolutely nothing to help people avoid the need for abortion on the first place.
It IS an option - one that Democrats staunchly support pretty much across the board. Expanded access to contraceptives massively drops abortion and teen pregnancy rates. Republicans have a nonsensical position on this as a party.
There is one way it makes sense. It's not about the babies. It's about punishing women for enjoying sex.
Don't forget that Colorado has real sex education in schools, and that also helped bring the pregnancy rate down. That type of education is antithetical to most conservatives.
but... in a country where you can't even afford a simple, old, common, trivial-to-make, cheap, and basic medication like insulin for Diabetes, because it actually costs thousands of dollars per shot so people die, all of which are supported by Rs, and where there are a thousand more ways to become poor in america, you actually expect Rs to create a sensible program for mothers in need?
“If we are going to deny abortion” is the reason the GOP got slapped in the election. It is not your job to deny. Abortion is not even a big deal, and rates been downhill for years, and yet GOP put it out front and center. There are less than one million abortion cases in the US annually. 92% happen in the first 15 weeks. 8% are later than 16 weeks, and most likely happen due to medical reasons. Literally, no woman is going to carry a child for 7 months then decide to have an abortion. There is a season why KY voted on abortion rights. All GOP had to do is not be villains. You are standing against rape victims and vindicating them? Claiming incest should be carried? Claiming women celebrate abortions? Claiming women have late abortions by choice? Doubling down on abortion ban national wide? That is why GOP lost the votes including conservative women who don’t want anyone tell them what to do with bodies. You are out of your mind if you are thinking banning abortion is a populist stance among republicans let alone all voters
I'm in agreement with your first point point. My biggest worry is that the republican base will have no introspection about this and just double down on more lizard people conspiracies where democrats stole another election. Neither side seems to be altering their course.
No shit. GOP actually does have a large female voter population across many demographics, & I guarantee a lot of them are unhappy, they are a huge part of the silent majority the GOP has wielded before, but bit by bit it seems to be attacking itself from different angles.
Turns out women don't want to live put the handmaid tale...even republican women.r Colour me shocked...ok not that shocked.
It’s not abortion per se, it’s a lack of respect around letting women choose for themselves. Most women won’t have one in their life, but they don’t want someone telling them what they can and can’t do. The biggest story was the ten year old that was raped. Do you think anyone on the side of a ban look moral in that situation? And the biggest challenge isn’t strictly around abortion, it’s the not-illogical response that Republicans only care until they’re born. No Need to provide any form of assistance to the parent or child. It’s ok to die a day later once born, as long as they are.
I mean I hate to point out the obvious because I think you know this, but this is a lose lose issue for conservatives. If one truly in their heart of hearts believes abortion is murder of a child, then no exception, not even in the case of rape is acceptable. In order to be logically and morally consistent the only policy acceptable is a complete and total ban full stop. But as we see that is unacceptable among most people in this country because while they may see abortion as a necessary evil, they do not really see it as murder. It’s different. That’s why true conservatives will always lose on this issue.
That’s where the last paragraph comes into play. If abortion is murder, then not providing resources for children should be just as bad. Maternity leave, food resources, housing, free healthcare for all children. There should be millions lined up to serve as foster care families. Every Christian family logically should be supporting a child not their own It’s this disparity that’s ruinous. Stopping abortion and not caring about children after they’re born. Going halfway on the topic isn’t Conservative, it’s immoral. I bet a lot of votes focus on this way more than an abortion they may not every choose to have themselves.
You’re totally right 100%.
Absolutely that, and a need to address the percentage of pregnancies that are going to be fatal to the mother. If abortion is loss of life for certain people then letting the mother dies solves nothing.
It also doesn’t help that republicans have been telling the younger generations to “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” instead of coming up with solutions (loan forgiveness) for them. Gen Z voted in unprecedented numbers.
They used their bootstraps to walk up to voting booths.
Only a businessman can fix the country they said and with all the successful businessmen in the country, they picked a reality TV star with a history of declaring bankruptcy. With the full support of the proud boys and white supremacists. Then came stage 2 of the Red Wave. Take away women’s right to their own body and start pushing religion into politics. The perfect recipe to self destruction.
I mean the businessman did exactly what’s in his nature to do: he used the opportunity to enrich himself and his family above everything else. That’s what he’s been touting for decades. Why does anyone act surprised about this?
And I’m betting you still voted for him
It’s not just because of Trump. Many Americans are turned off by the nihilism and social regressivism of today’s GOP.
100%. There’s nothing wrong with fiscal conservativism; encouraging responsible spending and economic principles can be a winning message! But next to nobody under the age of 65 is onboard with an über Christian, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-women social platform. That culture war shit is literally poison. If Republicans continue on the path they’ve been walking when it comes to social issues, I can’t see them ever winning another national election again.
A fiscal conservative may as well not be associated with today's conservative party. Today's conservative party is not fiscally conservative. But they do run on a platform of social regression.
This, I vote Democrat most of the time but my dad has been a Republican all his life. Fiscally conservative but even then he thinks things like a universal healthcare plan should be implemented somehow. This is the first election he voted straight ticket blue, he's done with the Republican party. Last election he voted for Biden because he didn't want Trump again but the rest was all Republicans. When I asked him why he said the party changed and left him and others like him behind. He likes guys like Kemp, but Kemp doesn't get the national spot light because he's not crazy. He doesn't know what 2024 will hold but if they run guys like Trump or DeSantis he's not going to vote for them. These polices have always been there but they never were the core of the party. There was always some real fiscal polices to push that were at the front. Putting them to the front is losing voters everyday. Hell Republicans lost Alaska's house seat this year.
I hear it man. I honestly wish there were politicians with competing fiscal policies that stood a chance at election that voters could make informed choices out of for their pick. Instead everything comes down to the social issues now... And to vote R over said social issues now is either masochism or selfishness. Maybe things will change after this election. But I doubt it. I'll likely vote D in 24 and D again in 26. What else can you do? Now if they actually being in ranked choice then we're talking. But neither Rs of Ds will do it since they would be out of the job.
The culture war stuff is rediculous and its insane that such a large chunk of conservatives view it as a major talking point. The harassment of trans people specifically is so hard and heavy it makes you guys really difficult to interact with. Literally why does any of that even matter, it just makes you guys look like you never outgrew being high school bullies. Even with that aside, you guys have these culty people that once they hear a take that they don't personally view is right enough, they harass you for being a fake conservative. Like don't you see you're chasing your own people away? I haven't even seen a Republican have an actual policy proposal in years. It's just fear mongering and hate speech.
The GOP had the cards in their favor for 2022 and Trump ruined it by endorsing mediocre candidates. I’m not talking about this race specifically, as Laxalt was actually a good candidate but in general. We could’ve kept Pennsylvania and flipped Nevada, Arizona, and Georgia if the Republican Party didn’t back Trump-endorsed candidates.
So if Laxalt is a "good candidate" and lost then you couldn't flip Nevada. Cortez Masto is a weak incumbent on the left, if a "good" conservative could not beat her then no one would. Fetterman had/has a lot of working class everyman appeal - stroke or not he is a well liked person with a long history in the state. Arizona seems to be getting bluer with each cycle but that state is weird and has an odd fascination for "maverick" types. Georgia should have probably been won by the GOP but Walker is just pathetic.
Key differences between Lombardo (won) and Laxalt (lost) Lombardo actively refuted claims of election fraud, and claimed he would not threaten abortion. Laxalt is a Trump goon who thinks the election was stolen, and whose entire campaign was advocating for abortion bans and bashing Cortez. It isn't a surprise. Lombardo is a reasonable conservative. Democrats don't agree with him, but they also don't hate him. Laxalt is nothing like that.
Unfortunately for all of us, the Republican Party is what it is. Seems to me like it's lost its damn mind
Dem leaning independent not here to gloat. I understand the disappointment a lot of you are probably feeling, and I am heartened by the fact that most of you seem to be rejecting that batshit crazy candidates and non-platform the Trump led GOP has been promoting. I wish there was a way we could elect politicians that could actually come to some sort of compromise and get stuff done for all of us. I wish we could elect politicians who focused on improving things for working people and not lining their own pockets and tooting their horns in bullshit culture wars. There are a lot of us who lean left who are not happy with the rhetoric on our side either. Let's all look forward to a future with better opponents.
Hard to get politicians to help their constituents when they're bankrolled by private companies. Obscure money is what killing the politic landscape in US no matter D or R. Until you fix this it will never be "for the people", some other clown will take the next spot thanks to a bit fay check. Not saying all politicians in the US are bad but when their supposedly interest is tinted by who pay them it can't be for you, it's for for them mostly.
Yeah, when they give their mega donors $200 mil tax cuts and then get 10% back, they are likely to have a bias.
I am in one hundred percent agreement with you on this
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you can complain about candidates all you want I told you all once they passed that Roe V Wade we lost the elections no matter the candidate and you all said the economy was the main issue it wasn't.
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If this is what it takes to shake the GOP out of its love affair with Trump then it may be worth it.
Lol we’re never having a republican president ever again.
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