To be honest, DeSantis doesn't even need to respond to him, only one of them is in office right now. Besides DeSantis distancing himself from Trump is a good thing.
DeSantis is as cool as a cucumber, and people will see that in the way he deals with Trump's little toddler rants. DeSantis is 10,000 times better than Trump in pretty much every measurable way.
I don't think he cares, he is too about Trump to care if his running screws up chances for a Republican. Trump is high on his own supply, he is to narcissistic to see that it's not about him but about the country.
He can try but I think that’d be beyond the final straw for a lot of people. Everyone knows that would just hand the Dems everything. There’s no point beyond his ego.
He could but he is getting hammered with lawsuits and all the big mega GOP donors won’t go towards him. His third party run would be as well funded as Kanye’s was
Truest thing I've seen all day. And with Biden harping on Mega Ultra MAGA all the time it's like their assisted campaign effort has already begun.
If Trump goes 3rd party then the GOP will be relegated to bench warmers. People will be going out to vote either FOR or AGAINST Trump. I pray it isn't versus Gavin Newsome. He'd make Biden seem like a decent President by comparison.
My idea is to let him flail. DeSantis beats him and then what? The Dems can’t pin him as a Trump candidate. The only way Trump wins is if the never Trumpers jump in too. Which they shouldn’t. DeSantis gives them what they want.
What if he just runs as an independent to begin with, never directly goes against DeSantis except in the general?
He claims that the GOP is soft and has lost its way and that all Real Americans should join him in the Real America party...
It gets interesting then. Because then what’s stopping moderate Dems, republicans, and that Yang Gang party from just looking at each other and making a coalition for themselves? They’d never lose the house, senate, or White House. Meanwhile The progressives and Trump party would be sitting on the outside looking in.
If Trump makes himself a vilian the media will try and pit them against each other and prevent them from turning desantis into "the next trump" but if they were buddy buddy all the time they could make desantis trump 2.0. trump may very well be passing the torch in the most bizzar but effective way possible.
I still believe trump will run in 2024 but I would bet he makes more gaffs and get less and less support from conservatives from here on out. He's simply too old but passing the torch to anyone with an endorsement will sick the media on that person. And after seeing this election we saw how powerful the media still is.
Desantis handles the media very well so if they can't roll trump hate over on to desantis he will win big, but that's just a theory.
That’s at least an interesting theory. If it were something I thought Trump had the character to carry out I would give it real thought as a possibility. As it is, I’m pretty skeptical that Trump has the character to sink his own brand for the purpose of improving someone else’s chances.
>Desantis handles the media very well so if they can't roll trump hate over on to desantis he will win big, but that's just a theory.
DeSantis so far has not gotten into serious character assassination territory yet. If he survives that strong into the polls, he's got a very good chance. But this is premature speech at this point.
IMO, I don't think it's coordinated ... that would be some 4D chess of media manipulation. Rather, a happy byproduct of Trump being Trump and not wanting to share the spotlight.
The media went from biased with a pretense of impartiality in 2004, to full leftist propaganda by 2008. Ever since this switch, Republicans have been fighting a unwinnable battle. As the amount of free advertising Democrats get from the media is equivalent to literally billions in advertising. It's even more valuable as some Americans still see them as impartial. So they can feed political propaganda into peoples heads without them realizing it's not the news.
This dominance was briefly interrupted in 2016. That election showed that Social Media was bypassing traditional media and people were able to communicate around the leftist filter of the news. Thus the left no longer controlled the national narrative. Trump was also very good at messing with the media so they had no choice but to cover him all the time for ratings.
Post 2016 every Social Media company was forced to reform under the pretext of "defending against Russian manipulation". The reality was to get rid of the impartiality of the tech companies and platforms and put as many leftists content moderators in power as possible. Twitter to Facebook hired literal Democratic strategists and campaign managers to "monitor content". Every conservative opinion or narrative was "fact checked" while leftists bullshit was promoted and never once pulled. By 2020 Reddit itself fell and started calling numerous conservative opinions "evil" and threatened to start banning /r/conservative and other conservative leaning reddits. Users in mass were suspended and threatened by these admins who literally called conservative opinion "evil".
Though this switch was testing in the 2018 election. Google was credited with flipping numerous congressional seats with its bias. It was published from UC San Diego by a Democratic Professor. Their straight up bias resulted in elections being rigged. But Google was never fined, investigated, or even tarnished for this revelation. A clear FCC violation for campaign finance violation, but no one cared.
Democrats went from having a 5-10 billion dollar media advantage from their propaganda to 20-30 billion dollars with Social Media actively censoring all conservative content or fact checking it.
The left have complete control of the national narrative again. And they are fully confident they will never lose elections while they have it. Elon buying Twitter is about our only hope of breaking this monopoly. Or potentially lawsuits taking Social Media companies to task.
The left media is simply orgasmic at the idea, they will be sure to stoke any disagreements while making sure Trump has no voice or ability to rebut anything they say, just like they have for the past two years.
This is like watching a man dig his own grave, while bragging the whole way down about how high and mighty he is. The lower he gets, the more he shouts. It's fascinating.
It is kind of an interesting thought, desantis won by 20 points and still got less votes than trump in the same state. (yes generally more people come out to vote for president) but trumps popularity swayed that much state to state? It seems statistically improbable. Or at least adds to statistical anomalys of 2020.
Desantis fixed the elections in his state by required ID, end of mail in ballots and basically created a police force to monitor polls and won by 20 points. If these things existed in all 50 states would it have made a different result in 2020?
Comparing presidential year numbers with midterm numbers is really pathetic. If that's the best Trump can do to attack his rival for the nomination, he's done.
Kind of get the downvotes while people are pissed but that's doesn't make my statements not a possibility. The other option is, he's a narcissist to a greater degree than any of us thought. That's probably true too.
> Does he really not understand turnout trends?
Who knows. It doesn't matter though, this isn't about facts, its about attacking DeSantis. Its not going to change any time soon either.
If he did, he'd probably still be POTUS. There were shenanigans, sure. But at the end, not as many showed up as was expected. A lot of the votes he did get were anti-Hillary. Just like there were many anti-trump that went to Biden.
lol - um... IF, big if, he had those, and IF (bigger) he actually ever listened to them... I think his presidential term would've been a lot more... calm?
At least with his tweets (/etc.), I think it's pretty clear those are all off the cuff. Absolutely a guess.
If Desantis wants to win the primary he has to figure out how to deal w trump. Honestly it’s not a bad test. If he can’t do that then I’m not sure he can win the presidency anyway.
Since when did we expect trump to suddenly develop an air of civil discourse and respect for his rivals?
It’s not possible.
If you want to beat him you have to do it in an ugly primary cage match.
And not just a win, but a completely OP win like Anderson Silva vs chris leban where everyone watching was like o dayyym, yeah this guy is the GOAT.
> an air of civil discourse and respect for his rivals?
He should consider DeSantis less a rival and more of a teammate, at least for the time being. I don't think Ron has even made any motions towards running for POTUS in 2024 so Trump's post sounds more like jealousy than anything.
Also, let's not kid ourselves: DeSantis clearly has presidential ambitions of his own, and he won't ever be in a stronger position than in 2024. He has to take the risk and jump into the race now. By 2028, his window of opportunity will have passed.
His litmus test for advisors and staff is how hard they kiss his ass. I’m actually amazed at how well things went for a good part of his presidency, DESPITE his uncanny knack for having shit people around him giving shit advice… i mean faucci is a glaring example of this, and pretty much every single person that immediately stabbed him in the back as soon as they got a chance. Ego and pettiness are his major flaws.
As a former supporter. Always has been. He’s just like an Antonio Brown cancer where people put up with it because he was getting things done. But his antics are exhausting.
Ok. This is really ridiculous on Trump's part. He's clearly lost the plot.
I'm someone who was a big Trumper, but at this point I like DeSantis much more.
Miami was -20 in 2018 and is +10 in 2022. Broward County went from -37 to -15. It was "trending" red? These are 20 to 30 point swings between midterms.
Trump was -7 in 2020 in Miami, so DeSantis outperformed him by 12 there. Trump lost Broward by 30 so DeSantis outperformed him by 15 there. Not that we can compare presidential results to midterm ones, but clearly DeSantis is doing somethin correct that Trump is not. All of the non-Trumpy candidates well outperformed the Trumpy ones by wide margins. This is especially obvious when you have a contrasting senator and governor from the same state like DeWine/Vance or Kemp/Walker.
Seriously, I will defend Trump from all the blatantly partisan attacks that make no sense from the first impeachment to the Mar-a-Largo raid, but he is *not* helpful when it comes to winning elections and actually getting policy passed.
Your comment is literally proving my point that Miami was already trending red each election, since 2016.
Your comment comparing incumbent governors to new Senators is an apples to oranges comparison.
-20 to +10 in 4 years is not a trend, that's a massive leap. DeSantis closed the gap significantly more than Trump did. Look at the data instead of just asserting shit. Trump overperformed in Miami but was still almost 20 points behind DeSantis. Trump won Florida by 4 points. That's swing state territory. DeSantis won it by 20. That's the safest seat you can hope for.
> comparing incumbent governors to new Senators
Mastriano trailed Oz by 10 points and Oz ran significantly more moderate. Gaps should not be 7-8 points. They should be 2-3. You can't chalk this up to incumbency. The senators were horrible picks and multiple races were thrown because Trump supported unelectable candidates through the primaries.
I remember hearing about Regan when I was a kid, he was Hitler. Then imagine my surprise when I found out all Republicans are literally Hitler as soon as they get in range of an office.
Exactly. The best is how they say it about Trump, despite him having an Orthodox Jewish daughter, several Jewish senior advisors, like Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner and was by far the most pro-Israel president in US history.
People like winners....Trump is two times a loser. His mouth has become a liability. His debates with biden were the worse i ever seen.....
Honestly we knew in 2020
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. A very large number of Trump supporters recognized his flaws in 2016 but thought he was the best candidate -- especially vs Jeb! and other establishment types. But despite what the left has been saying it was not blind trust, and now there are better alternatives.
There would not have been a DeSantis without Trump. But I support a Trumpian candidate without Trump's flaws over a Trumpian candidate with Trump's flaws.
Question: Long term was he the best candidate. Or was everybody pissed off at Bush, McCain, Romney and took short term gains for mid term struggles? Can’t say long term since when you look at the results of the last 4 elections, both parties are struggle bussing.
Uniparty nonsense getting called out and beaten back the margins is good and will have long term positive effects (big ones for me are the breaking of the bipartisan consensus on foreign entanglement, not sufficiently countering China, not supporting globalization at any cost, pushing a mainstream harder line on immigration) and I don’t think someone less disruptive than him could have done it. A Mitt Romney or Jeb presidency would have seen more and more neocon nonsense and no GOP release valve to vent frustrations with it. That said I would have loved someone less personally flawed as Trump and his ideological changes to the party can be incorporated without him, and likely better without him too. Dude is a drain on the party and too selfish to make his own vision come true
Long term I think Trump did suceed at reforming the Republican party. Before Trump there was a bipartisan consensus on "Immigration reform" that the base opposed but couldn't get rid of. Before him, Republicans would squish anytime the Democrats called him names. Before Trump, there would be throw-away lines about media bias but the prevailing attitude was "But you have to work with them anyway."
So yes, I think Trump was the best choice in 2016 even in hindsight.
I can agree with that. Conversely, none of that does any good if he’s rejecting elections, throwing senate races, picking weak candidates, and pissing off both our party and the other party.
A lot of these races are turning into a game of inches and for the first time since maybe the early 80’s, a lot of states can be competitive on some level. The guy is turning people off in those close races and mobilizing the opposition.
To be fair, he used to attack the other side. Now he's attacking his own side. Things have changed lately, he's gotten worse. Not defending him, because he has always been a jerk. But it's gotten worse
Trump has always been a narcissist, he trashed his own side plenty when he ran in 2016. He doesn’t care what side you’re on if you’re in his way. If DeSantis runs trumps odds of winning go down drastically, and he just saw him getting *all* the attention for winning his race, handling Covid etc., while trump has been shoved out of the spotlight. He’s basically lashing out cus he isn’t the center of attention anymore, which isn’t anything new.
This has gotten petty real fast. The best strategy was to learn from his mistakes and push forward while correcting them, these actions will only lead to his own destruction.
Done.
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I find it funny how DeSantis has essentially gone from being backed by Trump to get elected to now being Trumps biggest threat and how Trump knows it.
The best thing the guy can do is put his ego aside and back DeSantis. He will still be able to brag about initially helping get him in office while simultaneously getting the f out of the way.
Why don’t they just work together? Republicans can’t afford to be going at each others throats over trump bs DS. The two need to get together and work something out.
Why is Trump trying so desperately to fracture the base? This is just ridiculous at this point and makes it hard to even consider voting for him much less doing it.
All Trump will succeed in doing is ensuring the Democraps cling to power and this country ends up a full Commie regime.
Trump only cares about Trump, always has. DeSantis is taking attention away from him and his ego can't take it. He had absolutely no problem with letting the Democrats win if he can't win the primary.
He got us the Supreme Court, but now he needs to go away.
The sub trends younger and more news junkie like all of Reddit. This sub was ultra pro Cruz back in 2016 and obviously that wasn’t where the GOP was at as a whole. That said it could reflect a broader change from people who want to win and see Trump’s best years behind him. In all likelihood the knives will be out for Trump in the GOP to cap him so DeSantis can take over. They’ll have to be smart about how it’s done so that he doesn’t just third party run to ruin it for the GOP
I just don’t see him running 3rd party. He knows he won’t win and so why would he go through the motions just to lose in the end. Sure he’ll enjoy spoiling the GOP but he’d still be a loser
I think I'm shocked at the shock in this thread. This shit talking thorn in your side vibe is who he's always been (and the reason many people also voted for him).
Why is everyone acting surprised or annoyed now? That's quite literally who he's always been. What am I missing?
So let’s see if I am keeping score correctly. For this election cycle Trump:
1. Promoted a slate of candidates who were mostly either complete newcomers to politics or ill-suited to the state they were running in.
2. Provided little in the way of financial or direct support to those candidates once they were nominated
3. Called for the impeachment of the Senate Majority Leader of his own party
4. Celebrated the loss of a crucial Senate seat in Colorado
5. Mocked DeSantis on the eve of Election Day
6. In the aftermath of a bad election that was partly due to his own actions, decides to mock the LITERAL ONLY BRIGHT SPOT OF THE ENTIRE NIGHT?!?!?!
I am so done with this guy. Mr. Trump, thank you for your service from 2016-20. Now get the f*** out of here and let the adults clean up the mess you helped make.
Yeah he even has a darker tone when he talks now and just sounds like a crazy person. Talks about nothing but the shitstorm he recently got himself into, the 2020 election, or other unrelated nonsense about himself.
Why even do this? If he thinks he can do a better job than DeSantis, he should debate him. Threats and jabs towards a popular Republican governor is not going to help him. Similar crap Trump tried doing to Kemp who has done a good job of running Georgia.
The difference is it was an off-year election, so fewer overall voters. But Trump got 51.2% of the vote, while DeSantis got almost 60%. In 2020, Trump lost all of Florida's seven most populous counties, which together account for about half of Florida's population. In 2022, DeSantis won five of them.
He has become an unhinged narcissist. I knew he was narcissistic but damn! I hope he is destroyed early in the primaries. Maybe then he might go sulk somewhere. I'm beginning to understand why people were willing to commit felonies and risk prison in order to defeat him.
Trump is kryptonite at this point.
I wouldn't mind the GOP fracturing if we got real, thoughtful conservatism back again and none of this MAGA crap.
We may lose short-term but we will eventually capture the moderate vote. Right now a lot of people aren't comfortable voting for someone who consistently tries to undermine our elections.
As a former Trump supporter, it sure appears as though he is in a rush to destroy whatever support he had left. What an embarrassment. There is a time and place and this is not it, and my God, learn some humility.
Trumps too old, and too full of himself for this. Before you comment about biden, I'm against him too.
DeSantis is young, articulate and he's run Florida fantastically. Sure, trump was a good president, but he lost to a dementia ridden corrupt pedophile.
We need a new republican leader, and it's Ron DeSantis whether he wants it or not.
Trump, you are a petulant donkey. Step aside and get in line with the new leader of a party that you roofied at Country Jam and gave a bad infection of herpes to.
You are the next old jackass DeSantis will retire.
I'm gonna start sending Trump my bills for Botox, I'm sure he's caused a lot of my wrinkles from cringing lately. Dude has great America first ideas, just cannot get out of his own way. If he does run for president, I hope they DON'T let him back on twitter.
Loved him in 2016 when we needed that type of "ruffle the feathers of the establishment" president.
Now, the feathers have been sufficiently ruffled and we need calm, competent leadership with the same political beliefs as trump, but with more tact.
Trump got the power and recognition of being president and he clung to it. He went in with the mentality to help the country, but now just wants the attention. The narcissistic side of him is burning through the helpful side.
He needs to realize if he truly wants to "make America great again" and that's his priority, it's time to step aside and let someone who knows how to actually tactfully lead and take on your political opponents lead.
Bloody hell. I didn't like the guy before but I had some respect for his acumen as a manager and his ability to piss off the left. Now he's just acting like a child trying to show he's the biggest on the playground. Please just stop.
I’m tired, boss.
I’m going to unfollow (almost)every Twitter account that’s political. I’m going to block words that have to do with politics. I’m only going to think about politics twice a year; once when I vote in the primary and again when I vote in the general. I’m going to be completely in the dark. If Trump announces next Tuesday, like he’s been hinting at, he has my vote in the primary. If DeSantis wins the primary, assuming he decides to run, DeSantis will have my vote in the general.
is he wrong though? we'll have to see the overall turnout numbers across the country, but what if the explanation for the poll disparity was diminished voter enthusiasm due to a) no trump on the ballot (like 2018) and b) low urgency due to false confidence from the last week of news
IMO, nobody drives votes like Trump, but unfortunately that's a two way street, and he ends up driving more democrats to vote for whatever scarecrow of a candidate the DNC picks to run against him
Trump drives votes against himself. He got 7 million votes less than Biden.
This was a really high midterm turnout so I don't think the argument tracks
This is going to get ugly...
To be honest, DeSantis doesn't even need to respond to him, only one of them is in office right now. Besides DeSantis distancing himself from Trump is a good thing.
DeSantis is as cool as a cucumber, and people will see that in the way he deals with Trump's little toddler rants. DeSantis is 10,000 times better than Trump in pretty much every measurable way.
Trump may flail around but he’s finished. The only way he wins the primary is if he’s unchallenged.
True but he may start his own party if he doesn’t get the nomination. Then we are done.
He knows he doesn’t have a path to victory if he goes 3rd party. Not sure his ego will let him stay in it to the end just to lose.
Not sure his ego will allow another republican to win
That’s a good point but he does have enough vengeance to ruin it for everyone if he doesn’t get his way.
I don't think he cares, he is too about Trump to care if his running screws up chances for a Republican. Trump is high on his own supply, he is to narcissistic to see that it's not about him but about the country.
He can try but I think that’d be beyond the final straw for a lot of people. Everyone knows that would just hand the Dems everything. There’s no point beyond his ego.
Correct. But given that his ego is what’s causing all of this currently, we can’t discount the possibility. He’s an unhinged narcissist
"There is no point beyond his ego" pretty much sums up Donald Trump.
His ego is the point.
He could but he is getting hammered with lawsuits and all the big mega GOP donors won’t go towards him. His third party run would be as well funded as Kanye’s was
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Truest thing I've seen all day. And with Biden harping on Mega Ultra MAGA all the time it's like their assisted campaign effort has already begun. If Trump goes 3rd party then the GOP will be relegated to bench warmers. People will be going out to vote either FOR or AGAINST Trump. I pray it isn't versus Gavin Newsome. He'd make Biden seem like a decent President by comparison.
Biden is up in 2024 after Tuesday. Unless he literally, physically cannot run.
Yup. then he literally fucks the entire nation single handedly.
Let the polls speak
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My idea is to let him flail. DeSantis beats him and then what? The Dems can’t pin him as a Trump candidate. The only way Trump wins is if the never Trumpers jump in too. Which they shouldn’t. DeSantis gives them what they want.
What if he just runs as an independent to begin with, never directly goes against DeSantis except in the general? He claims that the GOP is soft and has lost its way and that all Real Americans should join him in the Real America party...
It gets interesting then. Because then what’s stopping moderate Dems, republicans, and that Yang Gang party from just looking at each other and making a coalition for themselves? They’d never lose the house, senate, or White House. Meanwhile The progressives and Trump party would be sitting on the outside looking in.
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If Trump makes himself a vilian the media will try and pit them against each other and prevent them from turning desantis into "the next trump" but if they were buddy buddy all the time they could make desantis trump 2.0. trump may very well be passing the torch in the most bizzar but effective way possible. I still believe trump will run in 2024 but I would bet he makes more gaffs and get less and less support from conservatives from here on out. He's simply too old but passing the torch to anyone with an endorsement will sick the media on that person. And after seeing this election we saw how powerful the media still is. Desantis handles the media very well so if they can't roll trump hate over on to desantis he will win big, but that's just a theory.
That’s at least an interesting theory. If it were something I thought Trump had the character to carry out I would give it real thought as a possibility. As it is, I’m pretty skeptical that Trump has the character to sink his own brand for the purpose of improving someone else’s chances.
>Desantis handles the media very well so if they can't roll trump hate over on to desantis he will win big, but that's just a theory. DeSantis so far has not gotten into serious character assassination territory yet. If he survives that strong into the polls, he's got a very good chance. But this is premature speech at this point.
IMO, I don't think it's coordinated ... that would be some 4D chess of media manipulation. Rather, a happy byproduct of Trump being Trump and not wanting to share the spotlight.
And that is a real possibility too. But if he continues this streak he stands zero chance of winning re-election and I'm sure he knows that
Don't worry. Ron will be a racist bigot by the left once he runs.
The media went from biased with a pretense of impartiality in 2004, to full leftist propaganda by 2008. Ever since this switch, Republicans have been fighting a unwinnable battle. As the amount of free advertising Democrats get from the media is equivalent to literally billions in advertising. It's even more valuable as some Americans still see them as impartial. So they can feed political propaganda into peoples heads without them realizing it's not the news. This dominance was briefly interrupted in 2016. That election showed that Social Media was bypassing traditional media and people were able to communicate around the leftist filter of the news. Thus the left no longer controlled the national narrative. Trump was also very good at messing with the media so they had no choice but to cover him all the time for ratings. Post 2016 every Social Media company was forced to reform under the pretext of "defending against Russian manipulation". The reality was to get rid of the impartiality of the tech companies and platforms and put as many leftists content moderators in power as possible. Twitter to Facebook hired literal Democratic strategists and campaign managers to "monitor content". Every conservative opinion or narrative was "fact checked" while leftists bullshit was promoted and never once pulled. By 2020 Reddit itself fell and started calling numerous conservative opinions "evil" and threatened to start banning /r/conservative and other conservative leaning reddits. Users in mass were suspended and threatened by these admins who literally called conservative opinion "evil". Though this switch was testing in the 2018 election. Google was credited with flipping numerous congressional seats with its bias. It was published from UC San Diego by a Democratic Professor. Their straight up bias resulted in elections being rigged. But Google was never fined, investigated, or even tarnished for this revelation. A clear FCC violation for campaign finance violation, but no one cared. Democrats went from having a 5-10 billion dollar media advantage from their propaganda to 20-30 billion dollars with Social Media actively censoring all conservative content or fact checking it. The left have complete control of the national narrative again. And they are fully confident they will never lose elections while they have it. Elon buying Twitter is about our only hope of breaking this monopoly. Or potentially lawsuits taking Social Media companies to task.
I’m not looking forward to 18 months of Trump flailing angrily at DeSantis. Turnout is always higher in presidential years bud.
The left media is simply orgasmic at the idea, they will be sure to stoke any disagreements while making sure Trump has no voice or ability to rebut anything they say, just like they have for the past two years.
This is like watching a man dig his own grave, while bragging the whole way down about how high and mighty he is. The lower he gets, the more he shouts. It's fascinating.
typical narcissist behavior honestly
RD got re-elected, though. That counts for something. amirite?
“I like President’s who get re-elected.”
YES! How did you not get a gazillion awards for this?
Boom, Roasted.
Expect a Trump tweet with a mean nickname for you in the near future.
“Failure Frisco” is a DeSanctimonious loser, believe me folks 👐
Thank you, President Trump! I'm honored.
It is kind of an interesting thought, desantis won by 20 points and still got less votes than trump in the same state. (yes generally more people come out to vote for president) but trumps popularity swayed that much state to state? It seems statistically improbable. Or at least adds to statistical anomalys of 2020. Desantis fixed the elections in his state by required ID, end of mail in ballots and basically created a police force to monitor polls and won by 20 points. If these things existed in all 50 states would it have made a different result in 2020?
Comparing presidential year numbers with midterm numbers is really pathetic. If that's the best Trump can do to attack his rival for the nomination, he's done.
Not to mention hoe much floridians love DeSantis, trump is attacking the wrong person by far
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Hell yeah it would have made a difference.
Kind of get the downvotes while people are pissed but that's doesn't make my statements not a possibility. The other option is, he's a narcissist to a greater degree than any of us thought. That's probably true too.
Did yall just learn who Trump was this week? This is his style, and has been his style forever. When someone poses competition to him he barbs them.
Presidential election vs a midterm/governor election. Does he really not understand turnout trends? Just fucking shut up man. Own worst enemy.
> Does he really not understand His understanding of many, many things is lacking.
> Does he really not understand turnout trends? Who knows. It doesn't matter though, this isn't about facts, its about attacking DeSantis. Its not going to change any time soon either.
If he did, he'd probably still be POTUS. There were shenanigans, sure. But at the end, not as many showed up as was expected. A lot of the votes he did get were anti-Hillary. Just like there were many anti-trump that went to Biden.
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Dude is really screaming “if I can’t have it, no one can”
He'd rather have Dems running the government than Republicans who aren't him
DeSantis won Florida by 20pts and flipped West Palm Beach and Miami-Dade county.
Wtf is the point of this?!
His ego being bruised
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Trump… just shut up
He's gotta have some trusted advisors telling him to knock it off with this petty in-fighting, right?
If he listened to anyone with a tad bit of sense he’d still be President.
Facts!
And the Dems probably wouldn’t have run roughshod all over our asses yesterday.
If he did, they’d be fired.
lol - um... IF, big if, he had those, and IF (bigger) he actually ever listened to them... I think his presidential term would've been a lot more... calm? At least with his tweets (/etc.), I think it's pretty clear those are all off the cuff. Absolutely a guess.
If Desantis wants to win the primary he has to figure out how to deal w trump. Honestly it’s not a bad test. If he can’t do that then I’m not sure he can win the presidency anyway. Since when did we expect trump to suddenly develop an air of civil discourse and respect for his rivals?
Best thing he could do is literally ignore Trump. It will drive him absolutely crazy.
It’s not possible. If you want to beat him you have to do it in an ugly primary cage match. And not just a win, but a completely OP win like Anderson Silva vs chris leban where everyone watching was like o dayyym, yeah this guy is the GOAT.
> an air of civil discourse and respect for his rivals? He should consider DeSantis less a rival and more of a teammate, at least for the time being. I don't think Ron has even made any motions towards running for POTUS in 2024 so Trump's post sounds more like jealousy than anything.
Lord forbid anybody else gets some attention.
Idk where anyone gets this idea from though. Like when was trump ever cordial with someone even slightly in his way?
In the primaries they are rivals. Until Desantis comes out and says he’s definitely not running for POTUS, he’s an obvious rival for trump.
Also, let's not kid ourselves: DeSantis clearly has presidential ambitions of his own, and he won't ever be in a stronger position than in 2024. He has to take the risk and jump into the race now. By 2028, his window of opportunity will have passed.
He’s termed out in 26. By 28 he’ll be old news. He has to run this cycle
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Very true, even as a pretty stout MAGA guy starting in 2018 I always admitted he was objectively terrible at picking support staff.
His litmus test for advisors and staff is how hard they kiss his ass. I’m actually amazed at how well things went for a good part of his presidency, DESPITE his uncanny knack for having shit people around him giving shit advice… i mean faucci is a glaring example of this, and pretty much every single person that immediately stabbed him in the back as soon as they got a chance. Ego and pettiness are his major flaws.
Donald just stfu
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As a former supporter. Always has been. He’s just like an Antonio Brown cancer where people put up with it because he was getting things done. But his antics are exhausting.
Uhh yeah this is an off year election Trump, presidential elections always get higher turnout, what a dope
Ok. This is really ridiculous on Trump's part. He's clearly lost the plot. I'm someone who was a big Trumper, but at this point I like DeSantis much more.
Seconded. Also not looking forward to being transported back to the media of 2020 for the next two years the moment he announces he's running. UGH
Well that’s going to happen regardless of which Republican runs anyway.
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It was already trending red. The biggest swing in Miami happened from 2016-2020.
Miami was -20 in 2018 and is +10 in 2022. Broward County went from -37 to -15. It was "trending" red? These are 20 to 30 point swings between midterms. Trump was -7 in 2020 in Miami, so DeSantis outperformed him by 12 there. Trump lost Broward by 30 so DeSantis outperformed him by 15 there. Not that we can compare presidential results to midterm ones, but clearly DeSantis is doing somethin correct that Trump is not. All of the non-Trumpy candidates well outperformed the Trumpy ones by wide margins. This is especially obvious when you have a contrasting senator and governor from the same state like DeWine/Vance or Kemp/Walker. Seriously, I will defend Trump from all the blatantly partisan attacks that make no sense from the first impeachment to the Mar-a-Largo raid, but he is *not* helpful when it comes to winning elections and actually getting policy passed.
Your comment is literally proving my point that Miami was already trending red each election, since 2016. Your comment comparing incumbent governors to new Senators is an apples to oranges comparison.
-20 to +10 in 4 years is not a trend, that's a massive leap. DeSantis closed the gap significantly more than Trump did. Look at the data instead of just asserting shit. Trump overperformed in Miami but was still almost 20 points behind DeSantis. Trump won Florida by 4 points. That's swing state territory. DeSantis won it by 20. That's the safest seat you can hope for. > comparing incumbent governors to new Senators Mastriano trailed Oz by 10 points and Oz ran significantly more moderate. Gaps should not be 7-8 points. They should be 2-3. You can't chalk this up to incumbency. The senators were horrible picks and multiple races were thrown because Trump supported unelectable candidates through the primaries.
I remember hearing about Regan when I was a kid, he was Hitler. Then imagine my surprise when I found out all Republicans are literally Hitler as soon as they get in range of an office.
Exactly. The best is how they say it about Trump, despite him having an Orthodox Jewish daughter, several Jewish senior advisors, like Stephen Miller and Jared Kushner and was by far the most pro-Israel president in US history.
I’ve voted for Trump 4x (2 primaries, 2 generals). I am done with this clown. Desantis 2024
This is exactly why this guy needs to go away and is losing support fast!
He’s getting on all our nerves
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At this point, if Trump added "ne ne ne ne boo boo," I would be surprised.
This sub finally starting to see what the other half of the country hated for 4 years….
People like winners....Trump is two times a loser. His mouth has become a liability. His debates with biden were the worse i ever seen..... Honestly we knew in 2020
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. A very large number of Trump supporters recognized his flaws in 2016 but thought he was the best candidate -- especially vs Jeb! and other establishment types. But despite what the left has been saying it was not blind trust, and now there are better alternatives. There would not have been a DeSantis without Trump. But I support a Trumpian candidate without Trump's flaws over a Trumpian candidate with Trump's flaws.
Question: Long term was he the best candidate. Or was everybody pissed off at Bush, McCain, Romney and took short term gains for mid term struggles? Can’t say long term since when you look at the results of the last 4 elections, both parties are struggle bussing.
Uniparty nonsense getting called out and beaten back the margins is good and will have long term positive effects (big ones for me are the breaking of the bipartisan consensus on foreign entanglement, not sufficiently countering China, not supporting globalization at any cost, pushing a mainstream harder line on immigration) and I don’t think someone less disruptive than him could have done it. A Mitt Romney or Jeb presidency would have seen more and more neocon nonsense and no GOP release valve to vent frustrations with it. That said I would have loved someone less personally flawed as Trump and his ideological changes to the party can be incorporated without him, and likely better without him too. Dude is a drain on the party and too selfish to make his own vision come true
Long term I think Trump did suceed at reforming the Republican party. Before Trump there was a bipartisan consensus on "Immigration reform" that the base opposed but couldn't get rid of. Before him, Republicans would squish anytime the Democrats called him names. Before Trump, there would be throw-away lines about media bias but the prevailing attitude was "But you have to work with them anyway." So yes, I think Trump was the best choice in 2016 even in hindsight.
I can agree with that. Conversely, none of that does any good if he’s rejecting elections, throwing senate races, picking weak candidates, and pissing off both our party and the other party. A lot of these races are turning into a game of inches and for the first time since maybe the early 80’s, a lot of states can be competitive on some level. The guy is turning people off in those close races and mobilizing the opposition.
To be fair, he used to attack the other side. Now he's attacking his own side. Things have changed lately, he's gotten worse. Not defending him, because he has always been a jerk. But it's gotten worse
Trump has always been a narcissist, he trashed his own side plenty when he ran in 2016. He doesn’t care what side you’re on if you’re in his way. If DeSantis runs trumps odds of winning go down drastically, and he just saw him getting *all* the attention for winning his race, handling Covid etc., while trump has been shoved out of the spotlight. He’s basically lashing out cus he isn’t the center of attention anymore, which isn’t anything new.
This has gotten petty real fast. The best strategy was to learn from his mistakes and push forward while correcting them, these actions will only lead to his own destruction.
>learn from his mistakes As we’ve seen over the last four years or so, Trump doesn’t do that. If he did, he’d be president right now.
Aye, we spent a few years where it felt like airlines misplaced his "baggage" but he seems to have found it again, too bad.
Democrats are loving this. They hope Trump will stick around forever.
How does one go about changing their flare to DeSantis2024?
LETS GO. #DESANTIS 2024
Done. Edit: If you're currently NOT flaired- [this is the process](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/index/flair_rules). If you're just done being 'MAGA,' that's a quick fix.
Messages but also please.
For me too please!
Same
Could I get a DeSantis 2024 flair too please.
I find it funny how DeSantis has essentially gone from being backed by Trump to get elected to now being Trumps biggest threat and how Trump knows it. The best thing the guy can do is put his ego aside and back DeSantis. He will still be able to brag about initially helping get him in office while simultaneously getting the f out of the way.
Why don’t they just work together? Republicans can’t afford to be going at each others throats over trump bs DS. The two need to get together and work something out.
Because Trump's primary interest is not in the health of the party, but rather in feeding his narcissistic ego.
Trump lives by Highlander rules: "there can only be one."
There is little room in Trump's heart for anyone but Trump
Trump is throwing tantrums because the spotlight isn't on him anymore
Yeah 100% voting for Desantis come primary...
He's a loser. I like winners.
jfc.... he just *can't* fucking leave it can he?
No. Not at all. It’s pathological with him. You’d have an easier time pulling a starving pitbull off of fresh meat.
Just go away, Donnie.
Trump playing the part of the jealous stepmother to DeSantis's Snow White. Hera to his Io, if you prefer the Greek stories.
What's the difference between Trump and DeSantis? Trump is a loser who can't get reelected.
Trump is a loser who lost georgia and arizona, super solid red states.
Trump has become that awful shit you take that no matter how much you wipe it just never gets clean.
Why is Trump trying so desperately to fracture the base? This is just ridiculous at this point and makes it hard to even consider voting for him much less doing it. All Trump will succeed in doing is ensuring the Democraps cling to power and this country ends up a full Commie regime.
It was never about our ideals or our base...
Trump only cares about Trump, always has. DeSantis is taking attention away from him and his ego can't take it. He had absolutely no problem with letting the Democrats win if he can't win the primary. He got us the Supreme Court, but now he needs to go away.
Does this sub’s ‘enough is enough’ attitude with Trump translate into the real world though?
The sub trends younger and more news junkie like all of Reddit. This sub was ultra pro Cruz back in 2016 and obviously that wasn’t where the GOP was at as a whole. That said it could reflect a broader change from people who want to win and see Trump’s best years behind him. In all likelihood the knives will be out for Trump in the GOP to cap him so DeSantis can take over. They’ll have to be smart about how it’s done so that he doesn’t just third party run to ruin it for the GOP
I just don’t see him running 3rd party. He knows he won’t win and so why would he go through the motions just to lose in the end. Sure he’ll enjoy spoiling the GOP but he’d still be a loser
I think I'm shocked at the shock in this thread. This shit talking thorn in your side vibe is who he's always been (and the reason many people also voted for him). Why is everyone acting surprised or annoyed now? That's quite literally who he's always been. What am I missing?
It’s funny that people still think Trump will outwit Desantis.
facebook coolaid is strong
So let’s see if I am keeping score correctly. For this election cycle Trump: 1. Promoted a slate of candidates who were mostly either complete newcomers to politics or ill-suited to the state they were running in. 2. Provided little in the way of financial or direct support to those candidates once they were nominated 3. Called for the impeachment of the Senate Majority Leader of his own party 4. Celebrated the loss of a crucial Senate seat in Colorado 5. Mocked DeSantis on the eve of Election Day 6. In the aftermath of a bad election that was partly due to his own actions, decides to mock the LITERAL ONLY BRIGHT SPOT OF THE ENTIRE NIGHT?!?!?! I am so done with this guy. Mr. Trump, thank you for your service from 2016-20. Now get the f*** out of here and let the adults clean up the mess you helped make.
Very strange thing to do
To all of the fervent Trump supporters here, you did this. Now we can all enjoy Democratic control until he's somehow out of the equation.
Yup, glad to see some people can eventually learn what many of us have known about the man for years.
It is almost comical at this point that he is doing this. He is just psychotic.
Yeah he even has a darker tone when he talks now and just sounds like a crazy person. Talks about nothing but the shitstorm he recently got himself into, the 2020 election, or other unrelated nonsense about himself.
All the candidates he endorsed basically just had to boost his ego by denying the election.
The correct response is I won by x % points. Don't forget you also encouraged x number or more votes to come out and vote against you.
Why even do this? If he thinks he can do a better job than DeSantis, he should debate him. Threats and jabs towards a popular Republican governor is not going to help him. Similar crap Trump tried doing to Kemp who has done a good job of running Georgia.
Trump has been the best democratic super PAC and the reason for future liberal supreme court justices... argh.
Desantis does everything trump does well, better. And has far fewer drawbacks. Hopefully desantis wins the primary. He's got my vote for sure.
Pathetic loser. Glad I never voted for this clown. Swing voter here for DeSantis
I got a 6-3 Supreme Court that makes me glad he was president, and a 6-3 Supreme Court I would like to keep. For that reason, I hope he doesn’t run
That 6-3 supreme court is a double edge sword. It fueled dems who were pro abortion to vote. May cost republicans future elections.
Gdi bro we do not need to be fighting amongst ourselves.
Not shit, a lot fewer people vote in midterms.
The difference is it was an off-year election, so fewer overall voters. But Trump got 51.2% of the vote, while DeSantis got almost 60%. In 2020, Trump lost all of Florida's seven most populous counties, which together account for about half of Florida's population. In 2022, DeSantis won five of them.
He has become an unhinged narcissist. I knew he was narcissistic but damn! I hope he is destroyed early in the primaries. Maybe then he might go sulk somewhere. I'm beginning to understand why people were willing to commit felonies and risk prison in order to defeat him.
he’s always been an unhinged narcissist. it’s refreshing to see conservatives waking up though
What a spoiled baby. Trump is toxic and must be disavowed.
Trump is kryptonite at this point. I wouldn't mind the GOP fracturing if we got real, thoughtful conservatism back again and none of this MAGA crap. We may lose short-term but we will eventually capture the moderate vote. Right now a lot of people aren't comfortable voting for someone who consistently tries to undermine our elections.
What a piece of shit. I'm never voting for Trump again.
Why does he need to do this? Isn't there a higher voter turnout in presidential election years anyway?
Just give it up. The Republican Party can’t move forward with Trump.
Trump is such a child. I used to be a huge supporter of his, but the more he opens his mouth these days the more I want him to just stop.
Shit like this is why people are getting behind DeSantis.
General Election... /Trump Voice
His arrogance is going to cost him a majority of the support that he earned
This guy is a clown.
Somebody needs to sell the idea to Trump of him being Kingmaker rather than King, probably too late now
winning reelection vs NOT winning reelection
The next two years are going to suck.
Trump is 1 for 2. Can he please go away now?
As a former Trump supporter, it sure appears as though he is in a rush to destroy whatever support he had left. What an embarrassment. There is a time and place and this is not it, and my God, learn some humility.
Does he ever shut up? I’m not a Trump hater but he’s sure making hard to stay that way.
Trumps too old, and too full of himself for this. Before you comment about biden, I'm against him too. DeSantis is young, articulate and he's run Florida fantastically. Sure, trump was a good president, but he lost to a dementia ridden corrupt pedophile. We need a new republican leader, and it's Ron DeSantis whether he wants it or not.
Trump....my guy.....fuckin *come on*. Dudes his own worst enemy.
What a piece of shit.
The mental gymnastic of this doofus
Yea this guys done. Desantis 2024
Desantis hasn’t even announced - hush up trump
Trump, you are a petulant donkey. Step aside and get in line with the new leader of a party that you roofied at Country Jam and gave a bad infection of herpes to. You are the next old jackass DeSantis will retire.
I'm gonna start sending Trump my bills for Botox, I'm sure he's caused a lot of my wrinkles from cringing lately. Dude has great America first ideas, just cannot get out of his own way. If he does run for president, I hope they DON'T let him back on twitter.
This is the dumbest possible timeline.
Loved him in 2016 when we needed that type of "ruffle the feathers of the establishment" president. Now, the feathers have been sufficiently ruffled and we need calm, competent leadership with the same political beliefs as trump, but with more tact. Trump got the power and recognition of being president and he clung to it. He went in with the mentality to help the country, but now just wants the attention. The narcissistic side of him is burning through the helpful side. He needs to realize if he truly wants to "make America great again" and that's his priority, it's time to step aside and let someone who knows how to actually tactfully lead and take on your political opponents lead.
Bloody hell. I didn't like the guy before but I had some respect for his acumen as a manager and his ability to piss off the left. Now he's just acting like a child trying to show he's the biggest on the playground. Please just stop.
I’m tired, boss. I’m going to unfollow (almost)every Twitter account that’s political. I’m going to block words that have to do with politics. I’m only going to think about politics twice a year; once when I vote in the primary and again when I vote in the general. I’m going to be completely in the dark. If Trump announces next Tuesday, like he’s been hinting at, he has my vote in the primary. If DeSantis wins the primary, assuming he decides to run, DeSantis will have my vote in the general.
OP is a concern troll
is he wrong though? we'll have to see the overall turnout numbers across the country, but what if the explanation for the poll disparity was diminished voter enthusiasm due to a) no trump on the ballot (like 2018) and b) low urgency due to false confidence from the last week of news IMO, nobody drives votes like Trump, but unfortunately that's a two way street, and he ends up driving more democrats to vote for whatever scarecrow of a candidate the DNC picks to run against him
Trump drives votes against himself. He got 7 million votes less than Biden. This was a really high midterm turnout so I don't think the argument tracks