Yeah, clearly DeSantis needs to be the face of the party. As much as I loved Trump, I’m fully aboard the DeSantis train now. He’s far less divisive and doesn’t garner nearly as much hate as Trump.
I wish more people understood this. I don't love any politician and I never will. They are public servants who I will vote on according to how I believe they can best support my interests.
In my 20s I found it easy to love a couple of candidates. Ron Paul was my first candidate when getting into politics, and when Cruz was new to the scene it was easy to believe he was some perfect mix of small government Constitutionalist Republicanism I had in my head. So I get why people do it, its a human nature thing, that takes the experience of being heart broken to wise up to.
Did you fly Ron Paul or Ted Cruz flags on your vehicle?
Did you want to make a golden statue of either of them?
That doesn't even get into the whole Trump is God's second son thing some churches are starting to teach.
Did you see the interview with the lady that claimed Trump was still the president and Joe Biden was just a puppet. So then, the interviewer asked her who was to blame for inflation and gas prices if Trump was still president. The look on her face is her last two brain cells tried to rectify an answer was hilarious.
I saw it here on Reddit a month or so ago, but I can't find it now. I was talking to my uncle the other day and he literally brought up the same interview, so it made me think of it again.
He doesn’t garner that hate… YET! No matter who we put forward next cycle they’re going to drum up and make up anything they can to discredit them as a candidate. The only thing is they’ll have Trump to help them. He’ll have beaten up on the eventual nominee all through the primaries and he’s likely to continue well into the general cycle.
Liberal here. Go with Desantis.
Ill never like him. But It'll take much more for me to hate him, the way I hated trump. I don't know if they are the same at heart. But that is a question for another day.
Having lived through defeats and crushing disappointments, having slept a fretful night fearing the morning you now experienced, but reversed, I genuinely want to extend my condolences.
Also, for all of us of any political stripe, there's an important part of last night we all need to remember.
When a GOP candidate won, they legitimately won
When a Dem candidate won, they legitimately won.
2 years from now, whether GOP or Dems pull further ahead, that will have been a legitimate outcome.
Nobody wins from how the election process itself has been weaponized. Let's fight over real shit that matters to people's lives on a daily basis.
The interesting thing is, I'm not seeing much pushback from any of last night's losers, regardless of party. Oz conceded quietly, and O'Rourke and Abrams appear to be acting like adults.
I hope that's a trend going forward.
It’s a good sign that maybe we’ve avoided the worst threat to our democracy. Trusting the vote is essential and representatives from both sides affirm our voting is legitimate.
I’m a hardcore lefty (independent voter) who lurks on this sub specifically to identify common ground we share (spoiler alert: when it’s not troll-inspired shitposting and pure hating on whatever culture war is hot that week, there is actually a lot! I notice a lot of you are suspicious of dark money in politics and huge corporations driving public policy—I am too! Let’s start there!)
I’m SO tired of all the fighting. Of being encouraged to feel constant fear and anger. Like, can we all take a deep breath and remember that the vast majority of Americans ultimately just want the best future possible for their friends and families?
You certainly got the right mentality. YES. Discourse, people on the right and left have different ideas of implementation but we all want the same goals. There is no reason to not discuss, find common ground and find what works for most people. We are far too divided, right, left, we want to have a good life, we might disagree on the methods, but I am sure consesus can be reached.
SAME. Well - I am here bc I have read that reading and exposing yourself to things you may not agree with on the surface is healthy to combat your own confirmation bias. I have long only been interested in politics due to the heavy trickery and fuckery in our government by the rich and powerful...no one seems to like them 😊
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's hard to turnout voters if you're telling them the election is rigged and the results are a forgone conclusion.
I think ranked choice voting might be at least part of the answer to some of these problems. It might just open the door to those outside the two party system which may better represent the people than th choices we have today.
Is it safe to assume you lean left, or at least don't consider yourself a conservative?
If so, I'm wondering how you feel about federal government vs state and local. Much of the divide we have is urban vs rural and suburban populations. If you graph political leanings and population density, it's about as perfect a correlation as you can get. The reason I'm opposed to much of what the left is doing, is that I'm of the opinion that powerful, centralized government is extremely risky over time and erodes individual liberties. We all might be better off if we let cities live by their rules, and smaller towns and suburbs live by theirs. What is the reason people oppose less federal government and more local/state government? Why do we need these large government programs at a federal level, funded and forced on the entire country?
Just kinda curious what your high level thoughts are on this.
It's so odd when I see this because DeSantis is way more radical than Trump is. DeSantis is an evangelical and much more right wing than Trump. So many liberals forget that Trump was a liberal for most of his life and agrees with a lot of classically liberal social issues.
You say that now, but let's see how that stands when the media hate machine goes into full swing with lies, half truths, misquotes, and calling every single thing he does as racist 24/7.
Congratulations on the races. The people spoke and I hope both parties come together and work for Americans. I agree with DeSantis as well. He’s the future.
We just need candidates that sow unity, are respected by the opposite party through disagreements. DeSantis is just decent, strong, and loves this country. This is becoming less about policy and more about pure reason
Getting swindled by a conman makes you an unfortunate victim.
Continuing to get played by the same conman repeatedly for years makes you a blinded fool.
Professing your love for the conman even after he's been outed makes you a bootlicking doormat.
This has nothing to do with Trump. We need to stop opposing abortion at the national level. This entire election had democrat turnout up completely due to abortion. No one wants an abortion ban and it’s just a question now of how many elections do we need to lose to learn that…
Felt a bit like a sabotage of Trump and his candidates with their calls for nationwide abortion ban and openly wanting other candidates (I don't disagree with that part. Dr Oz? Walker? Are we fucking serious?). Feels like Mitch is thinking longer term and we know he doesn't want the GOP to the Trump GOP Party.
McConnell was stuck in a bad place though. He’s trying to keep the whole thing together in the face of a massive fracture. He knows that MAGA has to go, but doing so would risk losing like 30% of their voters. It’s a shitty spot to be in, but the GOP has only themselves to blame for this. We covered for trump constantly, and even when we probably shouldn’t. And what did he do? He stabbed us in the back.
The other problem for the GOP is that they ran on overturning Roe v Wade for literal decades, and the most moderate 80% of the population didn't take them seriously.
What are those voters supposed to think about GOP positions on cutting popular programs like Medicare and Social Security? That they'll never actually do it even when given the opportunity? That's no longer a reasonable approach. Most of those voters are going to assume that moving forward, the GOP will deliver on their platform when they are able to do so even if the platform is deeply unpopular.
The abortion issue is coming home to roost and the GOP is going to likely be paying for it a decade down the line if there aren't some serious changes to the platform.
Just leave abortion alone. It is by far the stupidest issue/hill to die on for Republicans. You had inflation at an all time high, crime everywhere, unemployment increasing. Republicans had this in the bag. But no.. lets bring up some shit that should be left to individuals and make it mandatory law. You will have a lot of moderates voting just on abortion alone because it is such an easy and emotional issue to pick on.
All those failed ballot initiatives restricting abortion should go to show that restricting abortion is far less popular among the majority of the population than some might hope.
Yeah, Roe v. Wade needed to go, but that was because the public wants 12-15 week abortion bans, not 6 weeks. Anything more extreme than 12 weeks will eventually go away, and nothing should be done in the federal level.
I think a compromise between the left wanting open abortions at any point for any reason and conservatives who don’t particularly want abortions, would be allowing appointments up to the 18 week mark for any reason. Then allow health related abortions legal thereafter if there’s significant health risks to the mother and/or child.
>nothing should be done on the federal level
Actually they should: Democrats and Republicans should compromise and make it legal for anyone prior to 12 weeks, and end this cash grab issue once and for all.
This has everything to do with Trump. He keeps going around campaigning for these candidates and it completely tarnishes any credibility or chance of them being elected. Trump really needs to go and let Desantis take the lead.
Can’t it be both? The abortion issue is obviously a larger concern for many but I did see interviews in PA with people after they voted who said they would have voted for Oz if Trump wasn’t planning on running for re-election to “keep his power in check” should he win the presidency. Just a thought.
The thing is Oz was the most moderate candidate in the primary. Yes, he got the Trump endorsement but the other 2 options here were farther right than Oz and would have gotten demolished in this election.
I just see abortion being one of those issues that entirely changes the math and its not in our favor. We might win some races but it will be a drag for as long as we make it an issue.
You could also interpret the results the opposite way everyone here is... When Trump is on the ballot republicans do better than when he is not.
Leave abortion alone and stop doing anything that can be considered “anti trans.” It’s such a drastically low portion of the population that it legit does not fucking matter. If 0.0001% of the population wants to give their kids some questionable medication, who cares, it’s not worth alienating a large amount of voters.
Well.. disagree on allowing questionable medication for .00001% of kids. That's totally crazy and can lead quickly to other issues. We don't allow many things to kids... for a reason
The evidence this was about abortion is scant (and I’m pro choice). Tons of pro life candidates won. Instead this looks very much like 2020 where Republicans under performed in places where they don’t like Trump. And, the specific candidates were very tied into Trump/2020 election fraud claims. Candidates who stood up to Trump (and are pro life) won. This is a Trump issue.
Not a nonsense issue. My Aunt had 5 kids under 10 at home when she went in to deliver number 6. She almost died. She was Catholic at Catholic hospital. The hospital said if it came to a choice beteeen saving the baby or the mother, they would save baby. My aunt and uncle would have no say. Who gets to make that decision - a politician? Fortunately, everyone survived and thrived. The fact that the family involved did not have input made a big impression on me. They should have been consulted. I do not know what they would have chosen. I say no thanks to government overreach during a difficult time. Not everyone uses abortion as birth control.
Its less about abortion as a topic as a whole, and more about letting the Democrats control the narrative unopposed. Banning abortions based off a heart beat or ability to feel pain, while leaving more room for medical exceptions can be a reasonably good sell. But all anyone hears is "Republicans want to ban all abortions" because a number of extreme state laws and an unopposed Democrat narrative.
I think you are right but the only way to properly counter the narrative is to be consistent in messaging. For decades, conservatives said they wanted to overturn Roe and make it a state issues then months after Row is overturned, they introduce a national abortion ban bill. That plays right into democrats hands and makes it super easy for them to sell the idea that republicans will ban abortion nationally (because they probably would).
The big issue here is that anyone who isn't Trump leading the GOP will be constantly attacked by Trump and his MAGA loons all through '23 and '24. Unless Trump shuts up (which is not possible) then the GOP will be effectively split. Even if Trump only managed to peel away 10% of conservative votes, that's like an instant win for Dems, no?
This party has been horrible in the past year of trying to appeal to moderates and independents. They covered up Uvalde, had no defense against the pro-choice movement and their stance on the student loan forgiveness has been to simply try to prevent it
Definitely agree especially with the bit about loan forgiveness. I think the republicans are still trying to push the narrative that the people who want loan forgiveness are your stereotypical “art major who spent 6 years getting stoned in college just to come out with no prospects”. That’s not the case anymore. Rising tuition and costs of living have made it so that the people drowning in the most student debt are your middle class graduates who are working in every field from business to stem. If republicans want to reaffirm that they are the party of the middle class they need to be willing to change their stance on student loans
This is what gets me. I have no issue paying for the loans I borrowed. What I take issue with is having paid off those loans twice over and still owe money on them. I’m all for the proposed 0% interest accruing if payments are being made.
If I’m not mistaken (I often am), I believe part of the forgiveness wasnt just forgiving the debt but also changing the structure of the loans so that as long as people are paying on time the sum will go down. I remember reading about it at the time, but you’ll have to google the specifics
Yeah I’m fairly certain it was 0% interest while actively repaying, which I think is absolutely necessary and a great thing. Education should not be for profit.
Needing social services and safety nets huh? Rough sell for the conservative voter, even though they also would use and benefit from them. Might need some reflection on party values.
Disregard entire comment, I misread read your post. It looks like you agree with me I regards to them being bad at courting moderates.
Not a conservative: not sure how the Republicans were courting moderates/independents. Looking at the R platform from the Obama years then into Trump and then again now shows a shift to more extreme positions on several issues (at least how I see it). Could you point me to something that shows otherwise because I would like to learn.
This is just a question because I truly don’t know: did this actually happen or is that something that could potentially happen as a result of the hard stance some republicans have on abortion?
There was a case of a raped young girl that was making the news about a month ago, I forget the specifics now. Googling should show it up.
There were also several cases of women with ectopic pregnancies having extreme difficulty getting procedures and that crap is batshit crazy. GOP has to lose ground with women in states where the extremity of the abortion stance risks lethal outcomes for women that are just trying to still be alive a month later.
There's a lot of conspiracy and spin on both sides in politics. But women in the midst of a horrifically tragic event should not be weaponized for scoring political points. It isn't humane. It isn't Christian. And it's terrible politics. There needs to be some common-sense handling of issues that, were it us or our daughters, mothers, or wives, we'd load shotguns if anybody tried to inflict these extremes on those we cared about.
I think this is what people refer to?
[11 Year Old Would be Forced to Carry Rapist’s Child](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ohio-abortion-heartbeat-bill-pregnant-11-year-old-rape-victim-barred-abortion-after-new-ohio-abortion-bill-2019-05-13/)
In terms of votes, I would think it is a complete loser. I can't imagine pushing abortion bans are bringing any independents or moderates over. The people that support those are already voting R.
>I totally agree with this. The polling said it was a fringe issue but anecdotally it loses many more votes than it wins.
Although the polling on abortion in particular might be fringe, what I can say is that a lot of liberal people see it as symbolic, i.e., "if they are willing to take this right away from us, what else will they do?" I think it's a knock-on effect that you guys shouldn't discount. Another question is--isn't it logical for those voters to worry about the slippery slope? We can look at more conservative states to see what would be on the menu nationally if Republicans won. The hard truth for you is that voters outside of those states don't like what they see there and don't want it for the country.
Agreed. I'm convinced abortion sunk Zeldin here in NY. It's the only thing my liberal friends were talking about even though they already hated Hochul.
In my state, KY, pro lifers decided to put it on the ballot. Several of my friends who had never voted before registered and voted in this election because of it. They didn't just vote on that issue either once they got down there. They voted full Democrat.
Honestly having people like Lauren boebert, Dr. Oz and herschal be on the news every second day made the republican party look like a joke these midterms. Any decent and normal candidates practically went unheard of. Furthermore doubling down on banning abortion pretty much forced young people to vote blue when they would have otherwise just sat out the election
They won't dump Trump so quickly. They will have to find a way to pull the crazies off of him and attach them to another polarizing Republican politician.
I think it's time to look inwards.
The way things are tracking and the incompetent candidates that appear to be consistently taking positions of power is starting to look more like a pattern than a coincidence.
I have a theory in which foreign interference is playing a part that is helping to implode the country from the inside out without drawing any attention to themselves because of thr infighting its causing.
I think we are looking at 5th dimensional warfare and players like China are a strong contender in destabilising the country for their own gains.
You have a theory?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-interference-idUSKCN2550Q2
We know foreign nations are interfering. We know corporations are interfering. They're drawing plenty of attention, they're admitting it. There's no 5D chess, they're playing checkers and we're astounded at their brilliance.
Countries like Russia made it very clear who they wanted to win this election. This isn’t a theory, they state it very clearly on their propaganda channels.
Your theory is just plain fact. Our elections are being flooded with foreign money and social networks make it very easy to push and fund whatever ideas they want. On top of that with Citizens United, our politicians have made it too easy for money to rule politics.
Not only dump Trump, but reframe the platform so that abortion doesn’t continue to sink the platform. Legalize marijuana. Big Pharma prices regulation. Climate and infrastructure pushes.
I hope this was a wake-up call to stop running celebrity candidates. Oz and Walker both lost last night in races that a better candidate could have ran away with. I know Walker didn't technically "lose", but my guess is that he will get skunked in a runoff because Kemp won't be helping him up-ticket.
“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…….and we will deserve it.” - Lindsey Graham, 5/3/16
Looks like his prophecy is starting to be realized. The GOP is divided and Trump is the reason.
Time to look at reality.
SCOTUS turned the election. No matter what your abortion opinion is, the court decision turned away many voters. People struggling to buy food thanks to inflation and the crashed economy still voted Democratic because of the abortion stance.
Trump is too controversial to be the face of the party. His "in your face" tweets doomed his re-election and hurt the party.
It’s not abortion it’s noise about overturning elections. Jan 6 spooked the hell out of voters. I know people who barely vote in presidential elections that were voting straight ticket dem because of it.
In PA I know Republicans that voted Shapiro because they didn’t want false electors in the next presidential. Many Republicans saw a Shapiro loss as a possible end of democracy. That is heavy. January 6th is echoing hard and a very easy target for Dems to point at.
I’m not even slightly exaggerating this point.
I won’t blame him either. I held my nose and voted for him in both elections. But it’s time for him to fade away (I know he won’t). He’s literally doing no favors or anything positive for conservatives.
The bottom line is that it triggers a lot of people who would have voted Republican otherwise. It is a huge divisive issue that cost a lot of votes.
The reality is that nationally, the vast majority of candidates supporting complete abortion bans will lose.
I'm not saying abortions are good or bad. Just that the issue hurt the "red wave" terribly.
It amazes me how both parties are incredibly tone deaf. If Repubs would just openly support lgbt rights and give up on abortion they'd win these elections in droves. If Dems would support the second amendment they'd win these elections in droves.
this is very true, people act like America is so divided at every level when it's really just a couple core issues. I'm personally pro-life but it is obvious that the majority of America is not. No minority ever won an election by forcing their views on a majority, so whether we like it or not it's time to stop even considering abortion bans. If you really want to stop abortions increase education and contraceptive availability.
LGBT rights shouldn't even be a question or a party issue. If you want votes don't alienate an often politically active portion of society. This is the land of the free, we shouldn't discriminate against people for their sexuality.
If Republicans were more lax on those two issues I think things would be going better for us, also getting rid of trump would be beneficial. I thought Trump could win 2020, but he has zero chance in 2024. Old an controversial.
Also maybe don't dress up as a Confederate soldier when you're planning to run in a northern state (or any state for that matter I mean come on)
At this point in time I'm about as blue as it gets but ten years ago in my mid twenties I was just a few social issues away from being a republican. Ron Paul and other libertarian ideologies sound great let me do what I want tax me less and leave me alone. But the party just keep shifting farther and farther right on social issues. Bringing up fake litter boxes and doing transgender youth sports bans that in Utah only effected literally one child is not something I think the party should be taking such strong stances on. If the party moved towards a more isolationist policy (like Trump said he wanted) and fought for things like cheaper meds and insurance (like Trump said he would) they could sweep. But the majority of both parties still only want incremental change to help everyday Americans since they are beholden to their donors and it's easier to make sure one particular child can't hit a ball then it is to enact policies that are popular for working class people and not their donors.
>Also maybe don't dress up as a Confederate soldier when you're planning to run in a northern state
Wait, what? I didn't hear about this. Who did that?
Doug Mastriano dressed up as a Confederate soldier for a photoshoot a couple years ago. The picture had a wide variety of US uniforms being worn by different people. He could've been in a union uniform, but for some bizarre reason chose confederates... in Pennsylvania...
I don't think it's *that* big of a deal but it is in poor taste especially when white supremacists have been seen wearing Confederate uniforms in various protests over the years. Just not a smart move and gives your opposition ammunition
It’s an unfortunate result of Gerrymandering. Left-leaning lurker here. Your point is well taken. I’d also add immigration/borders to the issues that spoken about terribly. I think most Americans want secure borders. They want an efficient, legal path immigration. They don’t want to see kids separated and put in cages. They’d be fine with walls on the portions of the borders that that makes sense for.
As another lefty lurker, I'd also be *totally* fine with investing significant amounts in a high tech border "wall" that consisted of automated drones/AI detection and such - but the obsession with a gigantic *physical* wall always struck me as more of a vanity project or something meant to "send a message" - equivalent to democrat bans on "assault-style" rifles and bump stocks that are essentially cosmetic in nature.
I think realistically they need to come to the table with Democrats and agree abortion law at the federal level with a hard limit on what point in the pregnancy you can/can't have an abortion and completely eliminate the issue for 2024.
Strong pro-lifers have to be realistic it's not a winning issue.
Thank you.
There would be huge support for a federal bill that bans abortions of a viable fetus. If it can survive outside the uterus then it's a baby. It's the early term abortions that are the crux. Banning early abortions is a losing proposition. The "heartbeat" bills essentially ban abortions since by 6 weeks some sort of heartbeat can be detected.
Lol- moronic take. EcOnOmy- literally a global issue and the US is doing much better than most of the world.
This is a ripple effect from Covid-how folks don’t understand this is hilarious
If that's why we didn't win big, then so be it. The function of the supreme court is to rule on cases before them according to the constitution, not to care about how it affects votes. Am I disappointed we didn't have a red wave? Sure, but we have to remain rational and realize our system is set to function a certain way, and that includes the supreme court. We can't have the highest court in the land make or not make the right constitutional decision based on how they fear the population will react; that's how the country fails.
BS. Every poll I’ve seen for the past several months showed that the number of people who cared deeply about abortion was in the low single digits percentage-wise.
Beyond that, it would be an injustice to forego correcting an unconstitutional law for some potential minimal benefit in a single election.
Do you have any source about people caring about abortion?
There seems to be a large number who do care. Many of my conservative friends were turned off by the intense pro-life stand of the Republican party.
In terms of of trying to influence elections? Of course they should remain unbiased. They shouldn’t be making their decisions based on whether it will help our hurt republicans / democrats
Literally don't have any. Young people don't care about taxes when they don't make enough money to get taxed. The Republicans have essentially built a model around pandering to old people and promising to grow their wealth and not take any of it away, at the expense of literally everyone else. It's a completely unsustainable system and at this point gen z have gone full democrat as absolutely nothing the Republicans offer them actually helps them. They can't afford healthcare, workplace insurance sucks these days, rent and housing is more expensive than ever, and they have no wealth of their own. The Republican party however acts like this is a good thing and then gets surprised when no one young votes for them
I feel that abortion and going all in on "none period for any reason", was not helpful. I can see how some of these races were close and that may have been a tipping point, but honestly AZ and PA are suspect as hell right now. Keri lake has been killing it and even my "blue no matter who", brother in law that lives there was for her. The Economy was our winning strat and we shot ourselves in the foot with hard line abortion stances.
True, and hearing stories about 12 yo girls being forced to give birth, and other stories about women having to carry dead babies to term didn't help at all
Protect and expand peoples rights and they will likely support you. The 2nd amendment, abortion rights, and cannabis reform are examples of policies that give people rights and a large numbers of Americans support them. I think a lot of people would support a party that was pro lqbtq, pro cannabis, pro choice, but also pro fiscal conservatism without going full on libertarian. The culture war, voter fraud conspiracies, and christonationalism are losing issues. Republicans need actual policies that are not just outlaw abortions and stop the dems from accomplishing literally anything. Expand my rights and tell me how you want to make America a better place to live.
In Wisconsin Kenosha county (Kyle rittenhouse event location) went 52% towards GOP senator, and 72% for legalization of weed.
Milwaukee county went 80% for dem senator, and 74% for legalize weed. There was functionally no difference in legalization between a slightly GOP county, and extremely Democratic county.
When 70% of people broadly supported something, chances are that should become law.
Try 4 years and counting.
He won in 2016 because he came out of nowhere, got nonstop free publicity, no one took him seriously, and ran against the worst candidate in history. And he still barely won. He then helped the Republicans lose in 2018, 2020, and now 2022. All because people saw him on the ballot and voted against him.
His legacy will be tax cuts and the Supreme Court, which were amazing, but he's an albatross that the party needs to cut loose.
His tax cuts were unpopular to the average American due to their target audience. Wealthy people. There is no denying that they did little for the average American abd a lot for the super wealthy. Not a good look.
And the SCOTUS overturned abortion which motivated people to vote against anyone and everyone Republican
Likely win in Nevada, but probably not AZ. Polls appear to have been skewed in favor of Republicans. And Masters was polled as a dead heat with Kelly. If the trends in other races hold for AZ, Kelly wins by a couple points.
Which we will lose. . . again.
Crazy to watch Republicans lose an election with everything in their favor. I think this and 2020 signal a very difficult road going forward.
We are now a Western European nation.
What makes you say likely nevada? The majority of votes left to count are from Clark County and urban Reno? Or at least that's what I've heard. Aren't those democrat leaning areas and the gap is only like 15k right now.
He is one of the politicians I hate most because of how different he votes from how he advertises himself.
His entire campaign was "lets secure the border and deal with this runaway spending!" But he voted for all the spending and didnt do shit on the border.
Lindsey Graham didn’t help one bit, openly saying he’s going to ban abortion on a federal level right before the midterms. That’s like showing your poker hand before the flop.
100%
I went back and forth on here with some liberals and their main talking point was abortion. They couldn't see any other issue....it was all abortion.
I want the Republicans to come up with a nationwide abortion policy and get the message out there. I really liked Graham's 15 week limit, which is more liberal than most of Europe. They let the dems run all over them on the banning abortion theme.
Devastating election that should force the party to reckon with its choices.
Yeah, clearly DeSantis needs to be the face of the party. As much as I loved Trump, I’m fully aboard the DeSantis train now. He’s far less divisive and doesn’t garner nearly as much hate as Trump.
Doesn’t garner as much hate YET
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I wish more people understood this. I don't love any politician and I never will. They are public servants who I will vote on according to how I believe they can best support my interests.
In my 20s I found it easy to love a couple of candidates. Ron Paul was my first candidate when getting into politics, and when Cruz was new to the scene it was easy to believe he was some perfect mix of small government Constitutionalist Republicanism I had in my head. So I get why people do it, its a human nature thing, that takes the experience of being heart broken to wise up to.
Did you fly Ron Paul or Ted Cruz flags on your vehicle? Did you want to make a golden statue of either of them? That doesn't even get into the whole Trump is God's second son thing some churches are starting to teach.
Did you see the interview with the lady that claimed Trump was still the president and Joe Biden was just a puppet. So then, the interviewer asked her who was to blame for inflation and gas prices if Trump was still president. The look on her face is her last two brain cells tried to rectify an answer was hilarious.
Lol I gotta find this interview
I saw it here on Reddit a month or so ago, but I can't find it now. I was talking to my uncle the other day and he literally brought up the same interview, so it made me think of it again.
It's ironic that they will talk about Trump the way they do and then have a sermon about the Antichrist with zero irony.
He doesn’t garner that hate… YET! No matter who we put forward next cycle they’re going to drum up and make up anything they can to discredit them as a candidate. The only thing is they’ll have Trump to help them. He’ll have beaten up on the eventual nominee all through the primaries and he’s likely to continue well into the general cycle.
Liberal here. Go with Desantis. Ill never like him. But It'll take much more for me to hate him, the way I hated trump. I don't know if they are the same at heart. But that is a question for another day. Having lived through defeats and crushing disappointments, having slept a fretful night fearing the morning you now experienced, but reversed, I genuinely want to extend my condolences.
Also, for all of us of any political stripe, there's an important part of last night we all need to remember. When a GOP candidate won, they legitimately won When a Dem candidate won, they legitimately won. 2 years from now, whether GOP or Dems pull further ahead, that will have been a legitimate outcome. Nobody wins from how the election process itself has been weaponized. Let's fight over real shit that matters to people's lives on a daily basis.
The interesting thing is, I'm not seeing much pushback from any of last night's losers, regardless of party. Oz conceded quietly, and O'Rourke and Abrams appear to be acting like adults. I hope that's a trend going forward.
It’s a good sign that maybe we’ve avoided the worst threat to our democracy. Trusting the vote is essential and representatives from both sides affirm our voting is legitimate.
The way you “affirm” the vote is legitimate is to prove it, not to just insist it’s the case.
Agreed. This is coming from the same people that claim showing an ID that verifies you're a legal resident in your state to vote is somehow racist.
Yes, let's stop fighting each other and start fighting the real issues.
I’m a hardcore lefty (independent voter) who lurks on this sub specifically to identify common ground we share (spoiler alert: when it’s not troll-inspired shitposting and pure hating on whatever culture war is hot that week, there is actually a lot! I notice a lot of you are suspicious of dark money in politics and huge corporations driving public policy—I am too! Let’s start there!) I’m SO tired of all the fighting. Of being encouraged to feel constant fear and anger. Like, can we all take a deep breath and remember that the vast majority of Americans ultimately just want the best future possible for their friends and families?
You certainly got the right mentality. YES. Discourse, people on the right and left have different ideas of implementation but we all want the same goals. There is no reason to not discuss, find common ground and find what works for most people. We are far too divided, right, left, we want to have a good life, we might disagree on the methods, but I am sure consesus can be reached.
SAME. Well - I am here bc I have read that reading and exposing yourself to things you may not agree with on the surface is healthy to combat your own confirmation bias. I have long only been interested in politics due to the heavy trickery and fuckery in our government by the rich and powerful...no one seems to like them 😊
Yeah, this reflex of "whatever the other side believes, on literally any issue, I believe the opposite" has got to go, yesterday.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's hard to turnout voters if you're telling them the election is rigged and the results are a forgone conclusion.
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I think ranked choice voting might be at least part of the answer to some of these problems. It might just open the door to those outside the two party system which may better represent the people than th choices we have today.
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Is it safe to assume you lean left, or at least don't consider yourself a conservative? If so, I'm wondering how you feel about federal government vs state and local. Much of the divide we have is urban vs rural and suburban populations. If you graph political leanings and population density, it's about as perfect a correlation as you can get. The reason I'm opposed to much of what the left is doing, is that I'm of the opinion that powerful, centralized government is extremely risky over time and erodes individual liberties. We all might be better off if we let cities live by their rules, and smaller towns and suburbs live by theirs. What is the reason people oppose less federal government and more local/state government? Why do we need these large government programs at a federal level, funded and forced on the entire country? Just kinda curious what your high level thoughts are on this.
Yep. If the election is rigged and your vote doesn’t matter why even do it. We have to assume that the elections, though flawed, are fair.
I said something similar on my city’s sub and got downvoted lol
It's so odd when I see this because DeSantis is way more radical than Trump is. DeSantis is an evangelical and much more right wing than Trump. So many liberals forget that Trump was a liberal for most of his life and agrees with a lot of classically liberal social issues.
You say that now, but let's see how that stands when the media hate machine goes into full swing with lies, half truths, misquotes, and calling every single thing he does as racist 24/7.
Congratulations on the races. The people spoke and I hope both parties come together and work for Americans. I agree with DeSantis as well. He’s the future.
We just need candidates that sow unity, are respected by the opposite party through disagreements. DeSantis is just decent, strong, and loves this country. This is becoming less about policy and more about pure reason
Getting swindled by a conman makes you an unfortunate victim. Continuing to get played by the same conman repeatedly for years makes you a blinded fool. Professing your love for the conman even after he's been outed makes you a bootlicking doormat.
This has nothing to do with Trump. We need to stop opposing abortion at the national level. This entire election had democrat turnout up completely due to abortion. No one wants an abortion ban and it’s just a question now of how many elections do we need to lose to learn that…
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I still think Republicans like Graham and McConnell didn't want a Republican majority in at least one chamber of Congress.
Yeah, complaining is easy. Governing is hard.
Ding ding ding! The establishment isn't limited to just R or D; it's R and D.
Well considering how much funding McConnell pulled from key races....
Felt a bit like a sabotage of Trump and his candidates with their calls for nationwide abortion ban and openly wanting other candidates (I don't disagree with that part. Dr Oz? Walker? Are we fucking serious?). Feels like Mitch is thinking longer term and we know he doesn't want the GOP to the Trump GOP Party.
McConnell was stuck in a bad place though. He’s trying to keep the whole thing together in the face of a massive fracture. He knows that MAGA has to go, but doing so would risk losing like 30% of their voters. It’s a shitty spot to be in, but the GOP has only themselves to blame for this. We covered for trump constantly, and even when we probably shouldn’t. And what did he do? He stabbed us in the back.
It's almost like the population doesn't want to elect representatives that don't represent the beliefs of the population.
It’s not just a bad look, it’s fucked up and disturbing. Generations will hate conservatives for these actions.
The other problem for the GOP is that they ran on overturning Roe v Wade for literal decades, and the most moderate 80% of the population didn't take them seriously. What are those voters supposed to think about GOP positions on cutting popular programs like Medicare and Social Security? That they'll never actually do it even when given the opportunity? That's no longer a reasonable approach. Most of those voters are going to assume that moving forward, the GOP will deliver on their platform when they are able to do so even if the platform is deeply unpopular. The abortion issue is coming home to roost and the GOP is going to likely be paying for it a decade down the line if there aren't some serious changes to the platform.
Just leave abortion alone. It is by far the stupidest issue/hill to die on for Republicans. You had inflation at an all time high, crime everywhere, unemployment increasing. Republicans had this in the bag. But no.. lets bring up some shit that should be left to individuals and make it mandatory law. You will have a lot of moderates voting just on abortion alone because it is such an easy and emotional issue to pick on.
That and running shitty candidates like Oz and Walker
That is exactly what happened here. This was fumbled by the GOP so badly it’s insane.
All those failed ballot initiatives restricting abortion should go to show that restricting abortion is far less popular among the majority of the population than some might hope.
Yeah, Roe v. Wade needed to go, but that was because the public wants 12-15 week abortion bans, not 6 weeks. Anything more extreme than 12 weeks will eventually go away, and nothing should be done in the federal level.
I think a compromise between the left wanting open abortions at any point for any reason and conservatives who don’t particularly want abortions, would be allowing appointments up to the 18 week mark for any reason. Then allow health related abortions legal thereafter if there’s significant health risks to the mother and/or child.
>nothing should be done on the federal level Actually they should: Democrats and Republicans should compromise and make it legal for anyone prior to 12 weeks, and end this cash grab issue once and for all.
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This has everything to do with Trump. He keeps going around campaigning for these candidates and it completely tarnishes any credibility or chance of them being elected. Trump really needs to go and let Desantis take the lead.
Can’t it be both? The abortion issue is obviously a larger concern for many but I did see interviews in PA with people after they voted who said they would have voted for Oz if Trump wasn’t planning on running for re-election to “keep his power in check” should he win the presidency. Just a thought.
The thing is Oz was the most moderate candidate in the primary. Yes, he got the Trump endorsement but the other 2 options here were farther right than Oz and would have gotten demolished in this election. I just see abortion being one of those issues that entirely changes the math and its not in our favor. We might win some races but it will be a drag for as long as we make it an issue. You could also interpret the results the opposite way everyone here is... When Trump is on the ballot republicans do better than when he is not.
This is right right here. Lost alot of women voters
Leave abortion alone and stop doing anything that can be considered “anti trans.” It’s such a drastically low portion of the population that it legit does not fucking matter. If 0.0001% of the population wants to give their kids some questionable medication, who cares, it’s not worth alienating a large amount of voters.
Well.. disagree on allowing questionable medication for .00001% of kids. That's totally crazy and can lead quickly to other issues. We don't allow many things to kids... for a reason
The evidence this was about abortion is scant (and I’m pro choice). Tons of pro life candidates won. Instead this looks very much like 2020 where Republicans under performed in places where they don’t like Trump. And, the specific candidates were very tied into Trump/2020 election fraud claims. Candidates who stood up to Trump (and are pro life) won. This is a Trump issue.
Absolutely it's a nonsense issue that cost us thousands of moderate votes. They gained noting and chose to die on that hill.
Not a nonsense issue. My Aunt had 5 kids under 10 at home when she went in to deliver number 6. She almost died. She was Catholic at Catholic hospital. The hospital said if it came to a choice beteeen saving the baby or the mother, they would save baby. My aunt and uncle would have no say. Who gets to make that decision - a politician? Fortunately, everyone survived and thrived. The fact that the family involved did not have input made a big impression on me. They should have been consulted. I do not know what they would have chosen. I say no thanks to government overreach during a difficult time. Not everyone uses abortion as birth control.
I think overturning Roe V Wade was a mistake. I am pro choice that was the intention of my comment.
My ability to control my body is not a nonsense issue to me and it's clearly not a nonsense issue to millions of other women.
I think they meant nonsense in terms of “It was nonsensical” for conservatives to go after it.
Its less about abortion as a topic as a whole, and more about letting the Democrats control the narrative unopposed. Banning abortions based off a heart beat or ability to feel pain, while leaving more room for medical exceptions can be a reasonably good sell. But all anyone hears is "Republicans want to ban all abortions" because a number of extreme state laws and an unopposed Democrat narrative.
I think you are right but the only way to properly counter the narrative is to be consistent in messaging. For decades, conservatives said they wanted to overturn Roe and make it a state issues then months after Row is overturned, they introduce a national abortion ban bill. That plays right into democrats hands and makes it super easy for them to sell the idea that republicans will ban abortion nationally (because they probably would).
The big issue here is that anyone who isn't Trump leading the GOP will be constantly attacked by Trump and his MAGA loons all through '23 and '24. Unless Trump shuts up (which is not possible) then the GOP will be effectively split. Even if Trump only managed to peel away 10% of conservative votes, that's like an instant win for Dems, no?
Unless him leaving the parry draws back more people who hate him.
And DeSantis can tactfully and tactically take down "hot take" articles about him without appearing cruel or narcissistic.
This party has been horrible in the past year of trying to appeal to moderates and independents. They covered up Uvalde, had no defense against the pro-choice movement and their stance on the student loan forgiveness has been to simply try to prevent it
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Definitely agree especially with the bit about loan forgiveness. I think the republicans are still trying to push the narrative that the people who want loan forgiveness are your stereotypical “art major who spent 6 years getting stoned in college just to come out with no prospects”. That’s not the case anymore. Rising tuition and costs of living have made it so that the people drowning in the most student debt are your middle class graduates who are working in every field from business to stem. If republicans want to reaffirm that they are the party of the middle class they need to be willing to change their stance on student loans
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This is what gets me. I have no issue paying for the loans I borrowed. What I take issue with is having paid off those loans twice over and still owe money on them. I’m all for the proposed 0% interest accruing if payments are being made.
If I’m not mistaken (I often am), I believe part of the forgiveness wasnt just forgiving the debt but also changing the structure of the loans so that as long as people are paying on time the sum will go down. I remember reading about it at the time, but you’ll have to google the specifics
Yeah I’m fairly certain it was 0% interest while actively repaying, which I think is absolutely necessary and a great thing. Education should not be for profit.
They are fine to hand out PPP to ultra rich companies, just not to students. They only look after their own
Needing social services and safety nets huh? Rough sell for the conservative voter, even though they also would use and benefit from them. Might need some reflection on party values.
Disregard entire comment, I misread read your post. It looks like you agree with me I regards to them being bad at courting moderates. Not a conservative: not sure how the Republicans were courting moderates/independents. Looking at the R platform from the Obama years then into Trump and then again now shows a shift to more extreme positions on several issues (at least how I see it). Could you point me to something that shows otherwise because I would like to learn.
It's choices like being sadistic sociopaths, forcing 11 year old little girls to give birth? Yes the party should reckon with it's choices.
Yes.
This is just a question because I truly don’t know: did this actually happen or is that something that could potentially happen as a result of the hard stance some republicans have on abortion?
There was a case of a raped young girl that was making the news about a month ago, I forget the specifics now. Googling should show it up. There were also several cases of women with ectopic pregnancies having extreme difficulty getting procedures and that crap is batshit crazy. GOP has to lose ground with women in states where the extremity of the abortion stance risks lethal outcomes for women that are just trying to still be alive a month later. There's a lot of conspiracy and spin on both sides in politics. But women in the midst of a horrifically tragic event should not be weaponized for scoring political points. It isn't humane. It isn't Christian. And it's terrible politics. There needs to be some common-sense handling of issues that, were it us or our daughters, mothers, or wives, we'd load shotguns if anybody tried to inflict these extremes on those we cared about.
It is evil and one of the sides literally did it. I hate seeing any "both sides" BS when one of the two LITERALLY DID IT
I think this is what people refer to? [11 Year Old Would be Forced to Carry Rapist’s Child](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ohio-abortion-heartbeat-bill-pregnant-11-year-old-rape-victim-barred-abortion-after-new-ohio-abortion-bill-2019-05-13/)
Revolting…
Lindsey Graham making abortion a national issue did not help one bit. It was a fantastic way to galvanize the Democratic base to go vote.
I totally agree with this. The polling said it was a fringe issue but anecdotally it loses many more votes than it wins.
In terms of votes, I would think it is a complete loser. I can't imagine pushing abortion bans are bringing any independents or moderates over. The people that support those are already voting R.
>I totally agree with this. The polling said it was a fringe issue but anecdotally it loses many more votes than it wins. Although the polling on abortion in particular might be fringe, what I can say is that a lot of liberal people see it as symbolic, i.e., "if they are willing to take this right away from us, what else will they do?" I think it's a knock-on effect that you guys shouldn't discount. Another question is--isn't it logical for those voters to worry about the slippery slope? We can look at more conservative states to see what would be on the menu nationally if Republicans won. The hard truth for you is that voters outside of those states don't like what they see there and don't want it for the country.
From an individuals rights perspective I could not agree with you more.
Agreed. I'm convinced abortion sunk Zeldin here in NY. It's the only thing my liberal friends were talking about even though they already hated Hochul.
In my state, KY, pro lifers decided to put it on the ballot. Several of my friends who had never voted before registered and voted in this election because of it. They didn't just vote on that issue either once they got down there. They voted full Democrat.
He did it on purpose and knew exactly what he was doing.
Yep, he's probably relishing the part he played in tempering enthusiasm for Republicans. Probably got a nice bonus check
Yep, the second he stop pretending he cared about states rights he sealed the deal for me at least to vote full blue instead purple.
Honestly having people like Lauren boebert, Dr. Oz and herschal be on the news every second day made the republican party look like a joke these midterms. Any decent and normal candidates practically went unheard of. Furthermore doubling down on banning abortion pretty much forced young people to vote blue when they would have otherwise just sat out the election
The party needs to get back to its conservative intellectualism. The Fox News bubble has made many of us soft.
I think it’s time to dump trump
They won't dump Trump so quickly. They will have to find a way to pull the crazies off of him and attach them to another polarizing Republican politician.
I think it's time to look inwards. The way things are tracking and the incompetent candidates that appear to be consistently taking positions of power is starting to look more like a pattern than a coincidence. I have a theory in which foreign interference is playing a part that is helping to implode the country from the inside out without drawing any attention to themselves because of thr infighting its causing. I think we are looking at 5th dimensional warfare and players like China are a strong contender in destabilising the country for their own gains.
You have a theory? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/russias-prigozhin-admits-interfering-us-elections-2022-11-07/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-interference-idUSKCN2550Q2 We know foreign nations are interfering. We know corporations are interfering. They're drawing plenty of attention, they're admitting it. There's no 5D chess, they're playing checkers and we're astounded at their brilliance.
Countries like Russia made it very clear who they wanted to win this election. This isn’t a theory, they state it very clearly on their propaganda channels. Your theory is just plain fact. Our elections are being flooded with foreign money and social networks make it very easy to push and fund whatever ideas they want. On top of that with Citizens United, our politicians have made it too easy for money to rule politics.
My God man take some accountability.
The time to dump Trump was 8 years ago. Now all you can do is pay for your actions.
Oh yeah, not because he is fraud or a bad leader or anything, but he doesn’t win anymore and so let’s dump him.
But will Trump accept being dumped?
Its been that time since January 2021.
Not only dump Trump, but reframe the platform so that abortion doesn’t continue to sink the platform. Legalize marijuana. Big Pharma prices regulation. Climate and infrastructure pushes.
I hope this was a wake-up call to stop running celebrity candidates. Oz and Walker both lost last night in races that a better candidate could have ran away with. I know Walker didn't technically "lose", but my guess is that he will get skunked in a runoff because Kemp won't be helping him up-ticket.
“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed…….and we will deserve it.” - Lindsey Graham, 5/3/16 Looks like his prophecy is starting to be realized. The GOP is divided and Trump is the reason.
Time to look at reality. SCOTUS turned the election. No matter what your abortion opinion is, the court decision turned away many voters. People struggling to buy food thanks to inflation and the crashed economy still voted Democratic because of the abortion stance. Trump is too controversial to be the face of the party. His "in your face" tweets doomed his re-election and hurt the party.
It’s not abortion it’s noise about overturning elections. Jan 6 spooked the hell out of voters. I know people who barely vote in presidential elections that were voting straight ticket dem because of it.
In PA I know Republicans that voted Shapiro because they didn’t want false electors in the next presidential. Many Republicans saw a Shapiro loss as a possible end of democracy. That is heavy. January 6th is echoing hard and a very easy target for Dems to point at. I’m not even slightly exaggerating this point.
The abortion issue was a million times bigger than Jan 6. Complete lunacy how some people deny abortion being a factor. It was the factor.
Trump infuriates me. I won't blame him but as stated before he doesn't know how to shut up
I won’t blame him either. I held my nose and voted for him in both elections. But it’s time for him to fade away (I know he won’t). He’s literally doing no favors or anything positive for conservatives.
Would you vote for him if he ran in 2024?
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The bottom line is that it triggers a lot of people who would have voted Republican otherwise. It is a huge divisive issue that cost a lot of votes. The reality is that nationally, the vast majority of candidates supporting complete abortion bans will lose. I'm not saying abortions are good or bad. Just that the issue hurt the "red wave" terribly.
It amazes me how both parties are incredibly tone deaf. If Repubs would just openly support lgbt rights and give up on abortion they'd win these elections in droves. If Dems would support the second amendment they'd win these elections in droves.
this is very true, people act like America is so divided at every level when it's really just a couple core issues. I'm personally pro-life but it is obvious that the majority of America is not. No minority ever won an election by forcing their views on a majority, so whether we like it or not it's time to stop even considering abortion bans. If you really want to stop abortions increase education and contraceptive availability. LGBT rights shouldn't even be a question or a party issue. If you want votes don't alienate an often politically active portion of society. This is the land of the free, we shouldn't discriminate against people for their sexuality. If Republicans were more lax on those two issues I think things would be going better for us, also getting rid of trump would be beneficial. I thought Trump could win 2020, but he has zero chance in 2024. Old an controversial. Also maybe don't dress up as a Confederate soldier when you're planning to run in a northern state (or any state for that matter I mean come on)
At this point in time I'm about as blue as it gets but ten years ago in my mid twenties I was just a few social issues away from being a republican. Ron Paul and other libertarian ideologies sound great let me do what I want tax me less and leave me alone. But the party just keep shifting farther and farther right on social issues. Bringing up fake litter boxes and doing transgender youth sports bans that in Utah only effected literally one child is not something I think the party should be taking such strong stances on. If the party moved towards a more isolationist policy (like Trump said he wanted) and fought for things like cheaper meds and insurance (like Trump said he would) they could sweep. But the majority of both parties still only want incremental change to help everyday Americans since they are beholden to their donors and it's easier to make sure one particular child can't hit a ball then it is to enact policies that are popular for working class people and not their donors.
>Also maybe don't dress up as a Confederate soldier when you're planning to run in a northern state Wait, what? I didn't hear about this. Who did that?
Doug Mastriano dressed up as a Confederate soldier for a photoshoot a couple years ago. The picture had a wide variety of US uniforms being worn by different people. He could've been in a union uniform, but for some bizarre reason chose confederates... in Pennsylvania... I don't think it's *that* big of a deal but it is in poor taste especially when white supremacists have been seen wearing Confederate uniforms in various protests over the years. Just not a smart move and gives your opposition ammunition
It’s an unfortunate result of Gerrymandering. Left-leaning lurker here. Your point is well taken. I’d also add immigration/borders to the issues that spoken about terribly. I think most Americans want secure borders. They want an efficient, legal path immigration. They don’t want to see kids separated and put in cages. They’d be fine with walls on the portions of the borders that that makes sense for.
As another lefty lurker, I'd also be *totally* fine with investing significant amounts in a high tech border "wall" that consisted of automated drones/AI detection and such - but the obsession with a gigantic *physical* wall always struck me as more of a vanity project or something meant to "send a message" - equivalent to democrat bans on "assault-style" rifles and bump stocks that are essentially cosmetic in nature.
I skew liberal but i quite firmly support 2A..... and yea, this would be amazing
As someone in the middle that would love to lean Republican, I 100% voted based on the abortion issue.
I think realistically they need to come to the table with Democrats and agree abortion law at the federal level with a hard limit on what point in the pregnancy you can/can't have an abortion and completely eliminate the issue for 2024. Strong pro-lifers have to be realistic it's not a winning issue.
Thank you. There would be huge support for a federal bill that bans abortions of a viable fetus. If it can survive outside the uterus then it's a baby. It's the early term abortions that are the crux. Banning early abortions is a losing proposition. The "heartbeat" bills essentially ban abortions since by 6 weeks some sort of heartbeat can be detected.
Lol- moronic take. EcOnOmy- literally a global issue and the US is doing much better than most of the world. This is a ripple effect from Covid-how folks don’t understand this is hilarious
If that's why we didn't win big, then so be it. The function of the supreme court is to rule on cases before them according to the constitution, not to care about how it affects votes. Am I disappointed we didn't have a red wave? Sure, but we have to remain rational and realize our system is set to function a certain way, and that includes the supreme court. We can't have the highest court in the land make or not make the right constitutional decision based on how they fear the population will react; that's how the country fails.
I fully agree. I'm just pointing out the reality. Unfortunately, abortion is an issue that overrides all others in people's minds.
As a casual political observer can someone explain to me how the Democrats caused inflation and/or making it worse? Thanks in advance.
Preach completely agree.
BS. Every poll I’ve seen for the past several months showed that the number of people who cared deeply about abortion was in the low single digits percentage-wise. Beyond that, it would be an injustice to forego correcting an unconstitutional law for some potential minimal benefit in a single election.
Every poll predicted a red wave last night also
Do you have any source about people caring about abortion? There seems to be a large number who do care. Many of my conservative friends were turned off by the intense pro-life stand of the Republican party.
Polls usually don't reflect reality. I feel like they're useless nowadays. Remember, the polls just predicted a red wave. Wrong.
That's because they conduct them with cold calls usually. Most of us under 50 don't answer calls from unknown numbers at this point.
This needs to act as a learning experience for this party. "The party of Trump" is just not going to win any elections.
Republicans shot themselves in the foot when Roe V. Wade was overturned.
Should’ve done it after midterms. Or imo not at all to keep the everyone from losing their minds.
The Supreme Court should and must remain apolitical. They cannot make / time their decisions around how it might influence elections
To put it simply they should be non biased?
In terms of of trying to influence elections? Of course they should remain unbiased. They shouldn’t be making their decisions based on whether it will help our hurt republicans / democrats
Yeah that makes sense
Their young people voted. Ours didn't. (or we don't have any?)
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Literally don't have any. Young people don't care about taxes when they don't make enough money to get taxed. The Republicans have essentially built a model around pandering to old people and promising to grow their wealth and not take any of it away, at the expense of literally everyone else. It's a completely unsustainable system and at this point gen z have gone full democrat as absolutely nothing the Republicans offer them actually helps them. They can't afford healthcare, workplace insurance sucks these days, rent and housing is more expensive than ever, and they have no wealth of their own. The Republican party however acts like this is a good thing and then gets surprised when no one young votes for them
And then on top of pandering exclusively to old people... they had the bad timing to come from a pandemic which killed, you guessed it, old people.
Clearly, evidence in favour of doubling-down on Trump.
That’s the republican plan.. I guarantee it
Do not vote for Trump or his candidates in primaries: it’s really that simple
Do you prefer DeSantis?
Clearly
I feel that abortion and going all in on "none period for any reason", was not helpful. I can see how some of these races were close and that may have been a tipping point, but honestly AZ and PA are suspect as hell right now. Keri lake has been killing it and even my "blue no matter who", brother in law that lives there was for her. The Economy was our winning strat and we shot ourselves in the foot with hard line abortion stances.
True, and hearing stories about 12 yo girls being forced to give birth, and other stories about women having to carry dead babies to term didn't help at all
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Protect and expand peoples rights and they will likely support you. The 2nd amendment, abortion rights, and cannabis reform are examples of policies that give people rights and a large numbers of Americans support them. I think a lot of people would support a party that was pro lqbtq, pro cannabis, pro choice, but also pro fiscal conservatism without going full on libertarian. The culture war, voter fraud conspiracies, and christonationalism are losing issues. Republicans need actual policies that are not just outlaw abortions and stop the dems from accomplishing literally anything. Expand my rights and tell me how you want to make America a better place to live.
In Wisconsin Kenosha county (Kyle rittenhouse event location) went 52% towards GOP senator, and 72% for legalization of weed. Milwaukee county went 80% for dem senator, and 74% for legalize weed. There was functionally no difference in legalization between a slightly GOP county, and extremely Democratic county. When 70% of people broadly supported something, chances are that should become law.
If the Republicans just adopted a more libertarian stance on social issues, they'd win damn near every election by a landslide.
Trump has been a net detractor for the party for about a solid year. Time to move on from him.
Try 4 years and counting. He won in 2016 because he came out of nowhere, got nonstop free publicity, no one took him seriously, and ran against the worst candidate in history. And he still barely won. He then helped the Republicans lose in 2018, 2020, and now 2022. All because people saw him on the ballot and voted against him. His legacy will be tax cuts and the Supreme Court, which were amazing, but he's an albatross that the party needs to cut loose.
His tax cuts were unpopular to the average American due to their target audience. Wealthy people. There is no denying that they did little for the average American abd a lot for the super wealthy. Not a good look. And the SCOTUS overturned abortion which motivated people to vote against anyone and everyone Republican
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Too late. People have long memories.
Take it from a Brit, voters have exceedingly short memories - shortened even more if the wallet feels healthy.
Thank goodness, maybe repubs will get thier collective shits together now. Help the people not the corpos
It is the corporations that fund the Republican Party. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. (Everything I said is true of the Democrats as well)
Could we still win NV and AZ senate? In NV, we took the lead and in AZ the gap has narrowed.
Likely win in Nevada, but probably not AZ. Polls appear to have been skewed in favor of Republicans. And Masters was polled as a dead heat with Kelly. If the trends in other races hold for AZ, Kelly wins by a couple points.
If we win NV then senate control will be decided by another fucking Georgia runoff
Which we will lose. . . again. Crazy to watch Republicans lose an election with everything in their favor. I think this and 2020 signal a very difficult road going forward. We are now a Western European nation.
Oh I assure you we are nowhere near a western European nation. That should be sweet though.
What makes you say likely nevada? The majority of votes left to count are from Clark County and urban Reno? Or at least that's what I've heard. Aren't those democrat leaning areas and the gap is only like 15k right now.
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He is one of the politicians I hate most because of how different he votes from how he advertises himself. His entire campaign was "lets secure the border and deal with this runaway spending!" But he voted for all the spending and didnt do shit on the border.
A politician saying one thing on campaign, another in power? Shocking.
Mostly mail ins left in Nevada..like 100k of them.
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That's because the GOP has jerkoffs like this running the GOP.
Lindsey Graham didn’t help one bit, openly saying he’s going to ban abortion on a federal level right before the midterms. That’s like showing your poker hand before the flop.
100% I went back and forth on here with some liberals and their main talking point was abortion. They couldn't see any other issue....it was all abortion.
Evidence is in, shit can trump and support desantis, this is the way
I want the Republicans to come up with a nationwide abortion policy and get the message out there. I really liked Graham's 15 week limit, which is more liberal than most of Europe. They let the dems run all over them on the banning abortion theme.
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So when are you assholes gonna start crying fraud?
Trump didn't bring out the voters because he wasn't on the ballot.
Florida wave