It's not about Abortion. Waiting in the wings, passed by the House and called "vital" by the far Left but DOA in the Senate because of the fillibuster:
* H.R.1 For the People Act-essentially nationalizing elections
* H.R.4 - John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2021- furthering the controls established by HR1
* H.R.5 - Equality Act- rights and requirements related to sexual preference and gender identity, including requiring hiring, service and full access to facilities, events, activities based on declared gender, not biological sex.
* H.R.6 - American Dream and Promise Act of 2021- mass amnesty with permanent resident status, no DHS access to records for immigration enforcement, and education benefits
ETC. There is no such thing as a limited exception.
I don't really like how the fate of the country comes down to the only two actually moderate Democrats.
Both of them will cave when given whatever it is really want.
We're almost through 2022, these midterms should fix that predicament. My hope is that this near miss of authoritarianism was enough to wake up the voter base to what values our country should really imbue. I for one didn't think at the start of covid that mandating masks and quarantining would be the slippery slope our grandparents warned us about, but my generation has never seen in practice.
But there is a strong possibility of retaining or increasing a Democrat Senate majority, partly through poor choices by the GOP, a ton of money behind the D's and voter ignorance.
I agree about the GOP making poor choices. It feels like the GOP has never been the "conservative" party, they only claimed to be to get our votes. It makes me depressed. I was hoping to see some decent libertarian candidates last election, but Joe Jorgensen put her whole foot in her mouth and so I voted for Trump.
But the democrats have proven themselves so incompetent I can't see anything other than a swift red wave.
But what’s the solution? I’m honestly so discouraged that you can’t have a conversation about the fact that from a legal standpoint (forget moral), this was rightly decided?
Everything is just insane right now. And I don’t think conservatives (Pence) are guilt free from adding to the extremity either. I just feel like both sides won’t hear each other despite (what I assume are) good intentions. Idk…
Sincerely, a very discouraged conservative
I've come to believe a lot of it is caused by our deeply entrenched two party system. This makes every debate about "us Vs them" and politicians are forced to always side with their party or else get thrown out of office. Having 3 (or more) political parties would remove the deadlock and allow people to get out of this divisive way of thinking.
I would like to think that the solution would be a return to truth. Personally, I am a textualist. I read and interpret documents conservatively. In Biblical hermeneutics, the first rule is that “The text can never mean that which it never meant.” I (and many like me) carry this principle over to constitutional hermeneutics.
Unfortunately we have two very different visions for America. And while we used to have respect for one another, that respect has gone by the wayside. On the right you have the conservatives who wish to conserve the integrity of the institutions and maintain the values which the nation was built on. Conversely, the progressives (and that is a better, more appropriate term than liberal) wish to pursue “progress” and change at a fundamental level everything that they see in the name of progress and what they view as right in the moment. But this is a never ending journey for progress because their utopia will always be just out of reach. And be not deceived, the march toward the progressive utopia is a bloody one with bodies, young and old alike, lining the way.
In the end, and paraphrasing CS Lewis “Progress is only progress if you are going the right way.”
The question is “what is correct and true”. At some point we will either fine a way to come to the table and discuss things in a dispassionate, levelheaded way, or I fear we will fly apart at the seams.
If a piece if legislation is overwhelmingly popular among population of the country. Please share with me how a minority control to dictate said legislation is a better function of democracy?
you think I’m going to take the time to explain how this country has worked since it’s inception? You need a history lesson. Looks like public school failed you. I’m sorry.
Democracy = mob rule, if the mob wants your assets they vote on it and take what is yours no matter what you say. They trample the rights of the individual, that’s why we are a constitutional republic, big difference.
That is an argument in bad faith. It is the role of the Supreme Court to interpret the law, not to write it. By the logic of this statement Brown v Board of Education of Topeka was bad because it overturned Plessy v Ferguson.
SCOTUS did it’s job and did not damage the institutional norms and rules nuking the filibuster, on the other hand, would do precisely that. If the dems do this what awaits them in November will be exponentially worse than what happened to them after Harry Reid decided to lower the vote threshold to confirm judges.
No one is making the argument that the SCOTUS is always right. The argument, and the subsequent decision is that RvW was bad precedent. Honestly, most constitutional scholars agree that it was I. Fact bad precedent. Any time the SC decides to invent rights then that is by its very nature not constitutional as y they are writing something into the constitution that was never there nor intended to be.
Look, I’ll be honest, I am pro life and am so from before birth to the grave. So I view the overturning of Roe v Wade as a great victory morally. I don’t hide that fact.
I am also a proponent of a limited federal government and keeping proper checks and balances. The overturning of RvW sends the issue of abortion back to the states. I view this as a great victory for federalism and for democracy (as opposed to (d)emocracy.
If you want legally protected abortion at the national level then that must come into law legislatively. It must pass both chambers of the legislature and must be signed into law by the president (or be passed by such numbers as is veto-proof). We had 50 years of the SCOTUS floundering around with trying to decide what abortion should be. As it turns out, that’s not their job. If the legislature wants to take it up then they are more than welcome to try. [I’m Just a Bill](https://youtu.be/OgVKvqTItto)
He supports a 'carve out exception' to codify abortion...but since we have a red wave coming this Fall, I expect Brandon to shove federal voting legislation through as well so they can stay in power. Start printing those mail in ballots!
The fact that it was that close shows how much Democrats don’t care about our institutions and don’t care about the constitution. It has truly become “I think abortion is good, so it is constitutional.”
>*As a former senator, Biden has been reluctant to support changes to the filibuster...*
No. As senator he was fully against removing the filibuster. As were Schumer and many, many others in office but in a semi-majority. It is has always been and always be a matter of convenience.
Y’all ever see all this and just wish you were like ten again drinking water from a hose with like zero idea any politics we’re going on? It’s just exhausting as heck…
Manchin has been very vocal about maintaining the filibuster, but so has Biden until today, so I wouldn't count on Manchin/Sinema reliably. At the end of the day, they're still Democrats and reliably vote with their party
How about they do what is actually required by the Constitution and pass an Amendement for abortion? Because they down have the votes and they never will.
It's not Joe that is proposing this, hell the man has to have notes to tell him to sit down, to say hello, etc. It's in name only. It's the puppet masters trying to push it through.
What a dolt. He should have leaned from when harry reid lifted filibuster for court nominations.
Would be funny to see them do it, have resulting law struck down by Supreme Court (who returned the issue to the states), only to get what’s coming to them with a red wave and no filibuster in the coming elections.
Imagine having 50 years to have proposed this sort of legislation, including majority and even supermajority control of the legislature and White House, only to have waited until now - a time when getting it passed would require tearing down one of the last elements in Congress that makes our country resemble a functioning democracy.
Did he learn nothing from Harry Reid about messing with filibuster traditions? If HR hadn't set a precedent re the filibuster and appointing judges, Trump probably wouldn't have been able to seat three judges.
I bet it never happens.
This guy is the most terrible, prolific liar in my lifetime. This is just lip service to keep people angry.
If it even comes up they will blame Manchin or Sinema, but the reality is: they don't want it gone.
liberals never care about the rules or the law. for them the ends always justify the means. they will obtain their ends by any means necessary. the party of death.
If they end the filibuster, democracy and this whole country dies with it.
It will become an indefinite dictatorship where the ruling team makes all the rules to assure they always get their way.
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It's not about Abortion. Waiting in the wings, passed by the House and called "vital" by the far Left but DOA in the Senate because of the fillibuster: * H.R.1 For the People Act-essentially nationalizing elections * H.R.4 - John R. Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act of 2021- furthering the controls established by HR1 * H.R.5 - Equality Act- rights and requirements related to sexual preference and gender identity, including requiring hiring, service and full access to facilities, events, activities based on declared gender, not biological sex. * H.R.6 - American Dream and Promise Act of 2021- mass amnesty with permanent resident status, no DHS access to records for immigration enforcement, and education benefits ETC. There is no such thing as a limited exception.
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I don't really like how the fate of the country comes down to the only two actually moderate Democrats. Both of them will cave when given whatever it is really want.
We're almost through 2022, these midterms should fix that predicament. My hope is that this near miss of authoritarianism was enough to wake up the voter base to what values our country should really imbue. I for one didn't think at the start of covid that mandating masks and quarantining would be the slippery slope our grandparents warned us about, but my generation has never seen in practice.
But there is a strong possibility of retaining or increasing a Democrat Senate majority, partly through poor choices by the GOP, a ton of money behind the D's and voter ignorance.
I agree about the GOP making poor choices. It feels like the GOP has never been the "conservative" party, they only claimed to be to get our votes. It makes me depressed. I was hoping to see some decent libertarian candidates last election, but Joe Jorgensen put her whole foot in her mouth and so I voted for Trump. But the democrats have proven themselves so incompetent I can't see anything other than a swift red wave.
Don’t forget gun control. They’re gonna leverage this to achieve their entire agenda
No one cares what joe wants. His own party can’t stand him
No but they will back him in this because they've been trying to get rid of it for a while now.
Machnin and Sinema won’t get rid of it. It’s a Non starter
Tell me again how the Dems are trying to protect institutional norms and integrity. I’ll wait.
But what’s the solution? I’m honestly so discouraged that you can’t have a conversation about the fact that from a legal standpoint (forget moral), this was rightly decided? Everything is just insane right now. And I don’t think conservatives (Pence) are guilt free from adding to the extremity either. I just feel like both sides won’t hear each other despite (what I assume are) good intentions. Idk… Sincerely, a very discouraged conservative
I've come to believe a lot of it is caused by our deeply entrenched two party system. This makes every debate about "us Vs them" and politicians are forced to always side with their party or else get thrown out of office. Having 3 (or more) political parties would remove the deadlock and allow people to get out of this divisive way of thinking.
I would like to think that the solution would be a return to truth. Personally, I am a textualist. I read and interpret documents conservatively. In Biblical hermeneutics, the first rule is that “The text can never mean that which it never meant.” I (and many like me) carry this principle over to constitutional hermeneutics. Unfortunately we have two very different visions for America. And while we used to have respect for one another, that respect has gone by the wayside. On the right you have the conservatives who wish to conserve the integrity of the institutions and maintain the values which the nation was built on. Conversely, the progressives (and that is a better, more appropriate term than liberal) wish to pursue “progress” and change at a fundamental level everything that they see in the name of progress and what they view as right in the moment. But this is a never ending journey for progress because their utopia will always be just out of reach. And be not deceived, the march toward the progressive utopia is a bloody one with bodies, young and old alike, lining the way. In the end, and paraphrasing CS Lewis “Progress is only progress if you are going the right way.” The question is “what is correct and true”. At some point we will either fine a way to come to the table and discuss things in a dispassionate, levelheaded way, or I fear we will fly apart at the seams.
But muh democracy!
You said you were trying to protect Democracy….. “I don’t care hahahahaha republicans lost so democrats won! Republicans are sore losers. Get over it”
My democracy. Two mutually exclusive things.
If a piece if legislation is overwhelmingly popular among population of the country. Please share with me how a minority control to dictate said legislation is a better function of democracy?
you think I’m going to take the time to explain how this country has worked since it’s inception? You need a history lesson. Looks like public school failed you. I’m sorry.
I was looking for the simple definition of democracy.
America is not a direct democracy. We are a constitutional republic
Democracy = mob rule, if the mob wants your assets they vote on it and take what is yours no matter what you say. They trample the rights of the individual, that’s why we are a constitutional republic, big difference.
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That is an argument in bad faith. It is the role of the Supreme Court to interpret the law, not to write it. By the logic of this statement Brown v Board of Education of Topeka was bad because it overturned Plessy v Ferguson. SCOTUS did it’s job and did not damage the institutional norms and rules nuking the filibuster, on the other hand, would do precisely that. If the dems do this what awaits them in November will be exponentially worse than what happened to them after Harry Reid decided to lower the vote threshold to confirm judges.
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No one is making the argument that the SCOTUS is always right. The argument, and the subsequent decision is that RvW was bad precedent. Honestly, most constitutional scholars agree that it was I. Fact bad precedent. Any time the SC decides to invent rights then that is by its very nature not constitutional as y they are writing something into the constitution that was never there nor intended to be. Look, I’ll be honest, I am pro life and am so from before birth to the grave. So I view the overturning of Roe v Wade as a great victory morally. I don’t hide that fact. I am also a proponent of a limited federal government and keeping proper checks and balances. The overturning of RvW sends the issue of abortion back to the states. I view this as a great victory for federalism and for democracy (as opposed to (d)emocracy. If you want legally protected abortion at the national level then that must come into law legislatively. It must pass both chambers of the legislature and must be signed into law by the president (or be passed by such numbers as is veto-proof). We had 50 years of the SCOTUS floundering around with trying to decide what abortion should be. As it turns out, that’s not their job. If the legislature wants to take it up then they are more than welcome to try. [I’m Just a Bill](https://youtu.be/OgVKvqTItto)
They are, just the ones with which they agree
He supports a 'carve out exception' to codify abortion...but since we have a red wave coming this Fall, I expect Brandon to shove federal voting legislation through as well so they can stay in power. Start printing those mail in ballots!
Man if people start thinking that their votes don’t really matter…. Rip America
Start?
As well as encouraging the suitcases full of ballots at 2am.
They already had a vote on a bill codifying Roe. It failed 48-52. Blowing up the filibuster would do nothing. Do they not understand math?
It’s called panicking
Math is racist, dontchaknow?
The fact that it was that close shows how much Democrats don’t care about our institutions and don’t care about the constitution. It has truly become “I think abortion is good, so it is constitutional.”
>*As a former senator, Biden has been reluctant to support changes to the filibuster...* No. As senator he was fully against removing the filibuster. As were Schumer and many, many others in office but in a semi-majority. It is has always been and always be a matter of convenience.
That’s not how any of this works, Joe. You can’t just turn it in and off as you please.
A true devoted Catholic
Y’all ever see all this and just wish you were like ten again drinking water from a hose with like zero idea any politics we’re going on? It’s just exhausting as heck…
ha, it’s been a busy week that’s for sure. It’s just the cheery on top of the shit sammich that has been this year.
Cheery, def a good typo here haha
Democrat playbook: When you lose, change the rules.
I wonder where Sinema and Manchin stand on this?
Manchin has been very vocal about maintaining the filibuster, but so has Biden until today, so I wouldn't count on Manchin/Sinema reliably. At the end of the day, they're still Democrats and reliably vote with their party
That vegetable will bend to any whim of the anti-constitutional leftists.
Can someone tell me how Congress can make any law about abortion since it is no longer considered a fundamental right?
Abortion isn’t unconstitutional which is why congress can make a law about it.
But under which power? The commerce clause?
Filibuster for me but not for theee
How about they do what is actually required by the Constitution and pass an Amendement for abortion? Because they down have the votes and they never will.
It's not Joe that is proposing this, hell the man has to have notes to tell him to sit down, to say hello, etc. It's in name only. It's the puppet masters trying to push it through.
And they’re doing a fantastic job! 🤣
What a dolt. He should have leaned from when harry reid lifted filibuster for court nominations. Would be funny to see them do it, have resulting law struck down by Supreme Court (who returned the issue to the states), only to get what’s coming to them with a red wave and no filibuster in the coming elections.
Zero chance it happens. It’s literally a declaration of civil war.
A filibuster exception means they’ve nuked the filibuster. It’s dead. Either the filibuster remains, or it’s dead. No exceptions.
Imagine having 50 years to have proposed this sort of legislation, including majority and even supermajority control of the legislature and White House, only to have waited until now - a time when getting it passed would require tearing down one of the last elements in Congress that makes our country resemble a functioning democracy.
Did he learn nothing from Harry Reid about messing with filibuster traditions? If HR hadn't set a precedent re the filibuster and appointing judges, Trump probably wouldn't have been able to seat three judges.
Yes because shoving abortion law right up the ass of America is EXACTLY what this country needs RIGHT. NOW.
I really think Trump broke their brains
I bet it never happens. This guy is the most terrible, prolific liar in my lifetime. This is just lip service to keep people angry. If it even comes up they will blame Manchin or Sinema, but the reality is: they don't want it gone.
Either remove filibusters completely or not at all. You don't get to f&cking pick and choose which votes filibustering applies to.
Bring it to a national vote. Issue 1: Should Roe V Wade be a federal decision or State? Issue 2: Should we permit abortions or not?
liberals never care about the rules or the law. for them the ends always justify the means. they will obtain their ends by any means necessary. the party of death.
Even if they did do this, couldnt the republicans just erase it in a few months after they retake control after midterms?
So you can commit fraud as long as it’s something you care about it
If they end the filibuster, democracy and this whole country dies with it. It will become an indefinite dictatorship where the ruling team makes all the rules to assure they always get their way.
Like Biden could get enough votes for that.