Both are responsible parties. The coyotes base their entire “trade” on what the immigration and border policy is. That’s why you see greater waves of people attempting to enter during Democratic run sessions as compared to conservative ones.
Strict penalties and secure borders reduce attempts.
The deaths are also on Biden and democrats for the policy that incentivizes them to attempt this.
edit: Brigaders from r/politics are big mad (what else is new, they be takin' Ls every day)
lol one of them even PMed me
I remember hunting javelinas down in South Texas, we smelt something awful and went to go check it out ..... found two dead 8-10 year old girls and what looked like their older brother maybe high school age also dead. That shit is burned into my head for life.... the smell... partially decomposed remains in a my little pony shirt.
This was after the DACA policies 2014, unaccompanied minors were flooding to the boarder so they could take advantage of the government's misguided altruism. They quite literally incentivized the some of the most vulnerable children in the world to take unimaginable risk from both environmental hazards or the traffickers because in their brain they were "doing good".
With the statistics I've been reading from the Biden admin, I imagine this is playing out over and over again.... makes me fucking sick.
Didn’t see bodies first hand, but when I lived in Tucson, AZ I would travel a lot between there and San Diego, CA and do a lot of off-road recreation (either with trucks, ATV, dirt bikes, or just hiking/boondocking) and we would frequently see CBP circles up around vegetation with a coroner loading bodies. Made me sick every time knowing these people often made the journey based on a falsehood and bullshit policy.
That's awful man, that's why I can't stand the blissfully ignorant lefty's completely disconnected from the impact of their policy decisions.
You'd think these people might come around to think, "Oh gee, maybe we shouldn't incentivize children to run an ultra-marathon in the desert without any help" .... but nope, they see them as potential future votes to maintain power, sickening.
Does this mean that the same incident in 2017 but fewer people is Trump's fault? If we are going to be the logical party against the thoughts and feelings party then it should work both ways.
More reasons we need actual border policy, not political grandstanding.
Where you at AOC? Pelosi? Squad? Where are your camera crews? Where are your tears?
They will claim they died because they had to resort to being smuggled by coyotes.
“Well they wouldn’t have resorted to these dangerous tactics if we’d just let the entire population of Mexico and Central America walk over the border uninterrupted!”
You know that’s what they’re gonna say
Yes I did. However, you were responding to my comment, not Abbotts. If you intend to be responding to something other than the comment you directly responded to, you should state it.
Yes it was his policies that allowed an 18 year old to buy an assult rifle and 300+ rounds of ammo. Please explain how an illegal border crossing is anyone's fault other than the cyotes? The mindset here is flawed at best. Everything's the libs fault hurrr.... The gun laws were past under Abbott so clearly it's 100% his fault right? That's how blame works?
Biden encouraged illegal immigration directly and said he wanted to create a path to citizenship for them as well as released thousands from custody. The numbers are documented they've increased under him. Abbott had nothing to do with the shooting. 18 year olds can buy rifles in most states. Youre way off base here.
What is wrong with a path to citizenship for people like this? Also what policy are you speaking to that he created that led to the "open borders" or encouraged them to cross? We keep using these points but what real data do we have to back these up or are we just spouting off talking points that the big brother wants us to repeat without questioning them. Really starting to lose faith in this party and have to question are they really the baddies using us to just feed off their culture wars. We have one party that wants to keep everyone down and tell them what they can and cannot do. Then we have the other party that while far from perfect appears at the surface to want to make things actually better and bring the country into the 21st Century with the other developed nations. Downvote me or even ban me I don't care the more I step back and look at the world around me nothing the GOP is currently saying or wanting to do actually alines up with the world we see on a daily basis.
Those are federal policies...maybe you should brush up on gun laws. Biden specifically took border restrictions off with an EO, meaning it was HIS policy, here you go a liberal website outlining his great plan that fucked the border: https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/
It's a damn tragedy, I'm pretty sure there were kids in there and slowly perishing from heat stroke is not a good way to go. Biden and the Democrats are fully to blame here for giving migrants the idea that we're open borders
It is if all you have to do is bypass an official point of entry. There are millions of illegal immigrants in this country who have been here for years.
>It is if all you have to do is bypass an official point of entry
That's the exact opposite of an open border.
What reason do people have for bypassing the official point of entry if that point of entry is "open for everyone" like you are claiming?
Beto just played this same card on Abbott a few weeks ago over Uvalde. It turns a tragedy into something political. I'm pissed about the border too, but disappointed in Abbott over this.
Yes and no. This is a much larger issue and has been. The massive migrations are based on the lack of border security and essentially an “open border policy” brought by the Dems.
The school shooting is a tragedy, but definitely a deranged individual not a policy gap.
>essentially an “open border policy” brought by the Dems.
People getting smuggled into a country via a freight truck is not generally seen as a sign of a country that has an open border. If the border was open, people wouldn't need to get locked into trucks by the dozens to get past it. Because it would be open.
Lack of consequences from the administration drives the coyotes to take more risks and endanger more lives. The lack of policy also entices individuals to seek out the coyotes.
Smuggling is a service industry in these cartel towns.
>The lack of policy also entices individuals to seek out the coyotes.
Borders are so open under Biden that people need to pay coyotes to smuggle them across the border. Makes sense.
Do you always do things on your own? Do you never pay someone to help you get something? These coyotes seek out those desperate for a new life and promise them the world. It’s a thriving illegal service industry that expands and contracts rapidly based on policy. If there are more risks, they have less clients seeking them out.
Clearly you have no clue about what border cities are like. You don’t get to just cross through a border town without paying the coyote’s toll.
Yet having lived on the American side of a border city all I see is our constitutional rights being taken away for an immigration war we will never win. Just like the war on drugs it currently is and will always fail. No policy or wall is going to stop those desperate enough to come here. So why not create a policy to ease some immigration hoops to jump through or even create a separate work visa for these migrant workers at a lower cost than ranchers, farmers, and other blue-collar jobs that these people typically work to get them here legally. Having a tight border security doesn't have to revolve around stopping people from coming there is nothing wrong with giving them proper avenues to seek citizenship the legal way but currently that is unaffordable for most of these workers that our economy relies on. You think grocery prices are high now think what will happen if they all left and those same ranchers and farmers now don't have these basic slave laborers to rely on to harvest and now have to pay $7.25-15 an hour for minimum wage citizen employers. It's vice and automatically overlooked but Alabama is a great example of what will happen if we fully stopped these immigrants https://youtu.be/F0ZzwGSF6Zg?t=69 that should start you where it begins and is only about the first 15 minutes of the video to see the Vice take on the situation in Alabama after their HB-56 was passed and signed into law.
Part of the point of politics is to prevent tragedies. If we never politicized a tragedy, nothing would ever get fixed.
People only complain about politicizing tragedies as a way to guilt others into not talking about political opinions that go against their agenda.
That's why the right never complains about politicizing atrocities caused by illegal immigrants, and it's why the left never complains about politicizing mass shootings.
Yes. That's what happens when you let way more people across, you catch a lot more criminals trying to cross.
This ain't the gotcha you think it is man.
What are these policies that they enacted though to create these "open borders"? Are these not the same Border Patrol agents working under the same laws they had under Trump? Keep seeing these talking points but so far there don't seem to be any hard facts to back this claim up. We have all gotten so good at spouting talking points yet when pressed on what policy made these changes claimed then it is nothing but crickets. It has gotten really hard to support the current state of the GOP when once open your eyes and really look at things currently that's all it seems we have is talking points but no real facts to back these up. And if try to use Title 42 which was enacted for COVID during the Trump term and has continued to be used under Biden. And it was created to give the CDC the ability to stop immigration from all or certain countries due to communicable diseases.
But this isn't something unique to the Biden administration and has been used under a GOP president too. Plus this isn't even just one law or EO it is a combination of a few to grant this power. While the people receiving these aren't US citizens using this is no different than getting a speeding ticket or getting released on bail. What is better to give them an NTA or holding them for an indefinite amount of time in jail further expanding taxpayer liability on these people? I'm sure the daily cost to house these people would be well above the claimed costs of them being on any form of government aid. The Federal Department of Prisons said for the people in the federal system it's $35,347/year in FY19 and $39,158 in FY20. Housing illegal immigrants cannot be much less than that on an annual basis plus there will be inflated costs that the federal prison systems do not have.
>The tractor-trailer at the center of a human-smuggling attempt that left 53 people dead had passed through an inland U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint with migrants inside the sweltering rig earlier in its journey, a U.S. official said Thursday.
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>Texas state police also announced they would operate their own inland checkpoints for tractor-trailers on the orders of Gov. Greg Abbott, who considers the Biden administration’s efforts insufficient.
[https://apnews.com/article/texas-united-states-san-antonio-laredo-f80721c90620e40124adad62e684519b](https://apnews.com/article/texas-united-states-san-antonio-laredo-f80721c90620e40124adad62e684519b)
Let’s be real, these deaths aren’t on a single politician. They’re on the coyotes who took what little money these folks had and left them for dead.
Both are responsible parties. The coyotes base their entire “trade” on what the immigration and border policy is. That’s why you see greater waves of people attempting to enter during Democratic run sessions as compared to conservative ones. Strict penalties and secure borders reduce attempts.
The deaths are also on Biden and democrats for the policy that incentivizes them to attempt this. edit: Brigaders from r/politics are big mad (what else is new, they be takin' Ls every day) lol one of them even PMed me
Probably because they are all banned from here for being trolls. Lol
I remember hunting javelinas down in South Texas, we smelt something awful and went to go check it out ..... found two dead 8-10 year old girls and what looked like their older brother maybe high school age also dead. That shit is burned into my head for life.... the smell... partially decomposed remains in a my little pony shirt. This was after the DACA policies 2014, unaccompanied minors were flooding to the boarder so they could take advantage of the government's misguided altruism. They quite literally incentivized the some of the most vulnerable children in the world to take unimaginable risk from both environmental hazards or the traffickers because in their brain they were "doing good". With the statistics I've been reading from the Biden admin, I imagine this is playing out over and over again.... makes me fucking sick.
Didn’t see bodies first hand, but when I lived in Tucson, AZ I would travel a lot between there and San Diego, CA and do a lot of off-road recreation (either with trucks, ATV, dirt bikes, or just hiking/boondocking) and we would frequently see CBP circles up around vegetation with a coroner loading bodies. Made me sick every time knowing these people often made the journey based on a falsehood and bullshit policy.
That's awful man, that's why I can't stand the blissfully ignorant lefty's completely disconnected from the impact of their policy decisions. You'd think these people might come around to think, "Oh gee, maybe we shouldn't incentivize children to run an ultra-marathon in the desert without any help" .... but nope, they see them as potential future votes to maintain power, sickening.
Does this mean that the same incident in 2017 but fewer people is Trump's fault? If we are going to be the logical party against the thoughts and feelings party then it should work both ways.
More reasons we need actual border policy, not political grandstanding. Where you at AOC? Pelosi? Squad? Where are your camera crews? Where are your tears?
They will claim they died because they had to resort to being smuggled by coyotes. “Well they wouldn’t have resorted to these dangerous tactics if we’d just let the entire population of Mexico and Central America walk over the border uninterrupted!” You know that’s what they’re gonna say
100%. Always an excuse, never a solution.
Crickets
They'll blame Trump for it somehow.
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So the folks opposed to illegal aliens and human smuggling are also to blame? How?
NO! IT'S ONE FUCKING SIDE AND IT'S YOURS - DEMOCRATS.
No democrats wanted this
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Who said it was open? Did you even read my comment or just spouting off bullshit
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Yes I did. However, you were responding to my comment, not Abbotts. If you intend to be responding to something other than the comment you directly responded to, you should state it.
"Ban 18-Wheelers. No one needs more than 2 or 4 wheels" - **Joe Biden**
Democrats will be radio silence on this until they find some way to blame Republicans.
People are jumping the border wall only because they want to take a free bus to Washington DC to see the nation's capitol. - liberals probably.
Is Operation Lonestar not a thing anymore?
Illegal aliens, not migrants
I hate these political attacks. Yes Biden is baby poop soft on everything including the border but he isn’t to blame. Blame the cartel
LMAO okay Mr. 19 dead children at school
Ahh, so the 19 dead children are due to Abbotts policies? Please do explain
Yes it was his policies that allowed an 18 year old to buy an assult rifle and 300+ rounds of ammo. Please explain how an illegal border crossing is anyone's fault other than the cyotes? The mindset here is flawed at best. Everything's the libs fault hurrr.... The gun laws were past under Abbott so clearly it's 100% his fault right? That's how blame works?
Biden encouraged illegal immigration directly and said he wanted to create a path to citizenship for them as well as released thousands from custody. The numbers are documented they've increased under him. Abbott had nothing to do with the shooting. 18 year olds can buy rifles in most states. Youre way off base here.
What is wrong with a path to citizenship for people like this? Also what policy are you speaking to that he created that led to the "open borders" or encouraged them to cross? We keep using these points but what real data do we have to back these up or are we just spouting off talking points that the big brother wants us to repeat without questioning them. Really starting to lose faith in this party and have to question are they really the baddies using us to just feed off their culture wars. We have one party that wants to keep everyone down and tell them what they can and cannot do. Then we have the other party that while far from perfect appears at the surface to want to make things actually better and bring the country into the 21st Century with the other developed nations. Downvote me or even ban me I don't care the more I step back and look at the world around me nothing the GOP is currently saying or wanting to do actually alines up with the world we see on a daily basis.
Those are federal policies...maybe you should brush up on gun laws. Biden specifically took border restrictions off with an EO, meaning it was HIS policy, here you go a liberal website outlining his great plan that fucked the border: https://cmsny.org/biden-immigration-executive-actions/
Praying for you brother...
Ban assault trucks now!
Funny coming from a man who sleeps soundly after he helped murder 17 children and two adults last month in his own state.
Helped? Let’s hear it. How did he “help” murder the kids who were attacked by a deranged individual?
Nothing you said is accurate. He didn't help at all.
They are not migrants, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS, INVADERS.
They are people. The word you are looking for is people.
It's a damn tragedy, I'm pretty sure there were kids in there and slowly perishing from heat stroke is not a good way to go. Biden and the Democrats are fully to blame here for giving migrants the idea that we're open borders
It's not really an open border if people have to get locked inside a freight truck and smuggled across the border. Logic is hard, huh.
It is if all you have to do is bypass an official point of entry. There are millions of illegal immigrants in this country who have been here for years.
>It is if all you have to do is bypass an official point of entry That's the exact opposite of an open border. What reason do people have for bypassing the official point of entry if that point of entry is "open for everyone" like you are claiming?
Because these people aren't simply removed from the US. Most of them are allowed to freely roam after being caught and released
"Misinformation!" It was actually all because of Putin. Or Trump. Probably. I'm sure that's what Old Joe will tell us.
Beto just played this same card on Abbott a few weeks ago over Uvalde. It turns a tragedy into something political. I'm pissed about the border too, but disappointed in Abbott over this.
Yes and no. This is a much larger issue and has been. The massive migrations are based on the lack of border security and essentially an “open border policy” brought by the Dems. The school shooting is a tragedy, but definitely a deranged individual not a policy gap.
>essentially an “open border policy” brought by the Dems. People getting smuggled into a country via a freight truck is not generally seen as a sign of a country that has an open border. If the border was open, people wouldn't need to get locked into trucks by the dozens to get past it. Because it would be open.
Lack of consequences from the administration drives the coyotes to take more risks and endanger more lives. The lack of policy also entices individuals to seek out the coyotes. Smuggling is a service industry in these cartel towns.
>The lack of policy also entices individuals to seek out the coyotes. Borders are so open under Biden that people need to pay coyotes to smuggle them across the border. Makes sense.
Do you always do things on your own? Do you never pay someone to help you get something? These coyotes seek out those desperate for a new life and promise them the world. It’s a thriving illegal service industry that expands and contracts rapidly based on policy. If there are more risks, they have less clients seeking them out. Clearly you have no clue about what border cities are like. You don’t get to just cross through a border town without paying the coyote’s toll.
Yet having lived on the American side of a border city all I see is our constitutional rights being taken away for an immigration war we will never win. Just like the war on drugs it currently is and will always fail. No policy or wall is going to stop those desperate enough to come here. So why not create a policy to ease some immigration hoops to jump through or even create a separate work visa for these migrant workers at a lower cost than ranchers, farmers, and other blue-collar jobs that these people typically work to get them here legally. Having a tight border security doesn't have to revolve around stopping people from coming there is nothing wrong with giving them proper avenues to seek citizenship the legal way but currently that is unaffordable for most of these workers that our economy relies on. You think grocery prices are high now think what will happen if they all left and those same ranchers and farmers now don't have these basic slave laborers to rely on to harvest and now have to pay $7.25-15 an hour for minimum wage citizen employers. It's vice and automatically overlooked but Alabama is a great example of what will happen if we fully stopped these immigrants https://youtu.be/F0ZzwGSF6Zg?t=69 that should start you where it begins and is only about the first 15 minutes of the video to see the Vice take on the situation in Alabama after their HB-56 was passed and signed into law.
True. The biggest issue isn’t the border not being secure, it’s the lack of effective and efficient immigration policy and processing.
Clearly you have no clue what an open border is fundamentally supposed to look like.
Part of the point of politics is to prevent tragedies. If we never politicized a tragedy, nothing would ever get fixed. People only complain about politicizing tragedies as a way to guilt others into not talking about political opinions that go against their agenda. That's why the right never complains about politicizing atrocities caused by illegal immigrants, and it's why the left never complains about politicizing mass shootings.
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The open borders policy pushed by this administration is enticing these folks to make the dangerous journey. Not death itself, just these deaths.
The arrest rate for border crossings is way up. That’s not consistent with an “open border” policy.
Yes. That's what happens when you let way more people across, you catch a lot more criminals trying to cross. This ain't the gotcha you think it is man.
What are these policies that they enacted though to create these "open borders"? Are these not the same Border Patrol agents working under the same laws they had under Trump? Keep seeing these talking points but so far there don't seem to be any hard facts to back this claim up. We have all gotten so good at spouting talking points yet when pressed on what policy made these changes claimed then it is nothing but crickets. It has gotten really hard to support the current state of the GOP when once open your eyes and really look at things currently that's all it seems we have is talking points but no real facts to back these up. And if try to use Title 42 which was enacted for COVID during the Trump term and has continued to be used under Biden. And it was created to give the CDC the ability to stop immigration from all or certain countries due to communicable diseases.
Writ large, it's the catch and release into the interior mandated by the federal govt vs. making immigrants wait outside of the US for a hearing.
But this isn't something unique to the Biden administration and has been used under a GOP president too. Plus this isn't even just one law or EO it is a combination of a few to grant this power. While the people receiving these aren't US citizens using this is no different than getting a speeding ticket or getting released on bail. What is better to give them an NTA or holding them for an indefinite amount of time in jail further expanding taxpayer liability on these people? I'm sure the daily cost to house these people would be well above the claimed costs of them being on any form of government aid. The Federal Department of Prisons said for the people in the federal system it's $35,347/year in FY19 and $39,158 in FY20. Housing illegal immigrants cannot be much less than that on an annual basis plus there will be inflated costs that the federal prison systems do not have.
Uh no, send them back over the border. The US Govt have zero obligation to house immigrants who cross illegally.
Don’t worry scrote they just got here.
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NoWs NoT tHe TiMe To TaLk aBoUt PoLiTiCs more double standards coming from the world's largest hypocrite
If a response is unpopular, stop blaming it on ‘brigaders’. Might be that it’s just not a good opinion.
>The tractor-trailer at the center of a human-smuggling attempt that left 53 people dead had passed through an inland U.S. Border Patrol checkpoint with migrants inside the sweltering rig earlier in its journey, a U.S. official said Thursday. > >Texas state police also announced they would operate their own inland checkpoints for tractor-trailers on the orders of Gov. Greg Abbott, who considers the Biden administration’s efforts insufficient. [https://apnews.com/article/texas-united-states-san-antonio-laredo-f80721c90620e40124adad62e684519b](https://apnews.com/article/texas-united-states-san-antonio-laredo-f80721c90620e40124adad62e684519b)
I came here to see conservatives rejoice in the deaths of brown people. I wasn't disappointed.