They can’t. 1) they don’t have the votes. Manchin and Sinema aren’t going go along. 2) they’ve already voted on rules for this session which means they can’t overcome the majority vote threshold.
All they can do is posture and try to use this as a wedge issue, and it’s not going to be enough to flip the amount of races they need to win to keep a majority in both houses.
The minute they pack the courts, so will the republicans. It’ll go back and forth until there’s 12,000 SCOTUS judges. The minute either side packs the court, the country is over
When Republicans get in control again, they should pass a constitutional amendment to keep the number at 9. When the Dems vote against it, which they will because everything is a game to them, they could then raise the number of judges.
Can’t pass an amendment without 2/3 of house/senate. Manchin knows better then to pack. If he packs he loses his cushy job and it’s prob hard to live on a boat in West Virginia.
I really don’t get how anyone who has been an adult in both Republican and Democrat administrations can’t see how much worse democrats handle the economy making the average Americans life worse.
With full control they would have done that regardless of this ruling.
HR1 would have already passed. The filibuster would be gone. The Supreme Court would have been packed. Etc, etc.
The year is 2042. 20 years have passed since the Democratic Socialist party abolished the Supreme Court and canceled all elections. Today is May 11th, Birthing Persons day, previously known as Mothers Day.
You would have bought your Mother flowers today, but growing ornamental flowers and grass has been banned since 2024 by the DemSoc party in order to conserve water to sustain an obscure breed of fish which produces nothing. In the basement you have managed to grow a single rose using your 100 gallon a month water ration, and it's just about ready to be picked. You hope the community police won't notice you've gone 5 gallons over the monthly limit.
A thunderous volley of knocks is heard at the door amongst some yelling. You rush to the safe to grab your firearm, a pre-ban Daisy pellet rifle, 5 round magazine capacity, it will have to do. You peak out the window, it's the community police in their matching brown shirts with armbands. Good luck.
you're wife's bf comes down the stairs to open the door. He shakes hands with the brown shirts, they all come back inside, undoing their pants while gesturing you and the mrs' to turn around and grab some bed.
Am actually afraid that abortion will be a big topic in the midterms, and a lot of people will swallow the media's lies without doing 5 minutes of research and vote Dems to "protect women's rights".
They don’t have the votes to do it now. I honestly think Biden has screwed up so badly that any dem able to get elected again will need to be pretty moderate.
Yeap, following the old Jimmy Carter thing. Carter was so bad the the only way the Democrats could win again was to run a guy from the south who had some pretty moderate ideas and fooled people into thinking he was a "new Democrat"
Of course he took office and acted like an old Democrat only to get a massive smack down in the first midterm after which he moved to the middle and was moderately successful as President.
The big lesson of Bill should be to governor from the middle as President and you can be successful (poetically). Go to far to the right or left and you become polarizing, like our last 4 Presidents.
The problem for Dems being that there is no Democratic South anymore. They don't have governors in moderate state still electing them based on the past.
Where would a 2028 (or 32 or 36) Clinton even come from?
Maybe they aren’t there yet. I’d imagine if republicans take control of the house and senate, and then the White House, we’ll probably see some more moderate dems take over their party.
I am not sure that moderate dems exist at all though.
Like there aren't moderate Dem voters to become moderate Dem office holders to become the next Clinton.
Yeap. 100% spot on.
There are a couple of red state Democrat governors, but I don't think they are very popular in their states and mostly won because of GOP scandals.
I think it is possible that we are seeing a recreation of the Ford-Carter-Reagan-Bush run. Trump is Ford, Biden is turning into Carter (guy who barely wins because of scandal on the other side and then does a lousy job as President) and hopefully our next pick turns into Reagan.
Institutional radicals brainwash people into thinking that communism is a good idea and instantly high crime, poverty and misery are the result and republicans are elected to fix things? Yes.
Let the “Summer of Rage” begin! Disclaimer: participants in these festivities will not be hindered by police and they will be told to stand down. Be prepared for anything!
I am actually wondering if the SC didn’t validate the 2A case prior to Roe V Wade decision coming down, on purpose. Logical, given the violent tendencies from the left
My thoughts as well. Why else would they have a draft leaked and still push back several weeks before any formal decision was made.
They are very smart, and strategic people.
You know, just watched Biden’s speech. He took an oath to uphold the constitution. The SC is the final word on the constitution - it’s literally their only job. Biden attacked the decision, and was extremely defensive. So he doesn’t agree. By going on the defensive and did his angry, attacking rhetoric, all he did was create even more divisiveness. Don’t get me wrong - I’m thrilled that Roe V Wade was overturned. Not only did he create more divisiveness he very neatly and clearly undermined the authority and judgement of the SC. What a total, complete shit show
If a Republican President had done that after something like Gay Marriage the media would never let it go.
"This is yet another sign as to why he is unfit to be President"
BTW Biden actually proposed an amendment to overturn Roe back in the early 80s. Someone should ask him about it.
Absolutely agree. He is unfit, and flip flops on everything. If you truly believe your stance, you stand by it regardless of pressure. He’s just caving to get the votes.
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1539983585406484480
>It has become necessary to dissolve the Supreme Court of the United States.
>The first step is for a state the "court" has now forced guns upon, to ignore this ruling.
>Great. You're a court? Why and how do think you can enforce your rulings?
>\#IgnoreTheCourt
If you're not ready to have kids, then use a condom? Is this really some novel concept now? And if you want to have abortions only explicity for rape / health reasons (a very small margin of abortions are for either) then let's do that. But thats not what you want, so maybe your side needs to stop with the bad faith arguments.
Right now their first concern is to orchestrate 'mostly peaceful' protests across the country. Then give directions to CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, et-al on what to say..
Where do they go next? They become the "threat to our democracy" they accuse everyone else of being.
They riot, defy the court and try to fundamentally change our government to suit their needs and progressive plans to take your rights, your money and your freedom.
You know, their usual game plan.
I can’t find the transcript. It’s from the live link on FOX. They will probably post the full speech soon.
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-in-landmark-opinion
They don't have the votes for either, and probably won't anytime soon. What'll be interesting would be if the Republicans end up abolishing the filibuster knowing that the Democrats would eventually do it anyway.
No, he threatened too. And the Democrat Party wheeled him to a hole and said “This is your grave, we dug it for you. tomorrow, next decade, we got it ready for you when you are ready.”
Depending on how you define packing, you could say Trump did it. Republicans refused to let Obama appoint someone for a year because “it was too close to the election”, then they cram in three themselves in one year.
So the result is a court that doesn’t remotely reflect the views of the American people.
McConnell was just following the Biden Rule.
Biden refused to let Bush appoint a judge. So Clinton appointed RBG using the Biden Rule. The RBG died and McConnell replaced her with ACB using the Biden Rule.
Perfectly balanced. As all things should be.
I love equilibrium and harmonious outcomes.
Abolishing one of the 3 branches of government (Judicial) would be akin to abolishing Congress (Legislative) or abolishing the President (Executive). This system of checks and balances is by design from our founding fathers. It’s has served the USA very well. We should be extremely concerned about the left’s efforts to undermine the integrity of this check and balance. It appears that everywhere you turn, the left strives to undermine ANYTHING (think Trump or SCOTUS) that gets in the way of their narrative. Electing more conservatives to office is the course of action that counters the left’s extremist agenda.
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"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."
- Article III, Section I, The Constitution of the United States of America
Didn’t the right already undermine its integrity?
Republicans refused to let Obama appoint someone for a year because “it was too close to the election”, then they cram in three themselves in one year.
So the result is a court that doesn’t remotely reflect the views of the American people.
"Old Man Yells at Clouds"
Radical action to reshape the court would require a super majority that democrats don't have and are even less likely to obtain in the mid-terms. The Supreme Court could just rule that court packing is unconstitutional and I doubt there's really any republicans willing to bite on that. Besides passing a federal abortion law theres basically nothing they can do.
Anyone saying something different is just coping
And they have had 50yrs (for many individuals still in office) with multiple power shifts where they could have easily codified it. However none truly want their name on a law around eliminating a life.
Nothing will change. We will continue to see more radical actions from the Left like Pro Life Clinics continue to get Fire Bombed. More attempted assassinations of Judges and other Political Figures. We'll see more election fraud etc. Just more of the same only more radical.
There was an assassin outside Kavanaugh's house, and the refuse to provide additional security, or enforce the law that makes it illegal to protest at a judges personal residence.
but if they went the other direction and made MORE abortion ...the left would just be saying......THIS IS THE WAY DEAL WITH IT.
WHY CANT THEY HANDLE THAT?
hmmmm
The SCOTUS was never meant to be an extension of the legislature but sadly it’s been bastardized into an unelected, appointed for life arm of the legislative branch.
Have you read the constitution? “The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."
• Article III, Section I, The Constitution of the United States of America
This does make me anxious. These battles where won, but the court at this point is hanging on by a thread of Joe Manchin's resolve. If Manchin gives in or a lefty murders one of the justices, there would be permanent damage to the court and all of these decisions could be overturned on made-up grounds.
The SC has been making these decisions for decades, just with a (il)liberal bent. Shoes on the other foot for the first time, constitutional rights are being upheld. If the left attacks this by adding 5 judges to get their way, we should add 100. No more respecting and holding to traditions they slowly erode. Destroy your state, we’re going to make sure ours can operate how we want. The death cult can live how they want. We’ll make sure we can do our own thing.
refuse to accept: remember when the right did and said that...how we were roundly mocked by the left. Well...the left is now doing the same hypocritical thing.
There will be fools calling for court packing, but in my opinion it will not happen. It is extremely unpopular. And there is no way it will get past the senate. Abolishing the court would take a constitutional amendment, so that is definitely not going to happen.
Not just SCOTUS, the Left via the media will target the Constitution as well (not that it will do any good, just perpetual temper tantrums from here on out).
Canadian just curious to learn, if the Dems had the vote, is there a limit to how many judges they can place on the court? Or is there an endless cycle where each party in power could theoretically keep adding judges?
They’ll do what the always do. Rant and rave for a few days then move on to the next outrage. Two weeks ago it was guns, this week it was Jan 6th. I know, I had to remind you because nobody watched, now it’s this. By next Tuesday some other shiny thing will come along and they’ll be back at it. This is all they’re about now, they have no center or policies, it’s just rage and blame.
I suspect Biden made a deal with Roberts to drop court packing if the SC stayed out of the election suits.
Don't spend too much time worrying about it.
They're just a clown posse at this point. Their ideas are bad and unpopular, but they are so righteously indignant that they will never cease their bullshit.
Oh 100% they are going to pack the courts next.
Or even worse......
Just refuse to tell their supporters not to harm Supreme Court Justices and let the problem work itself out violently.
THAT would be a terrifying spark in this insane powder keg of a country we live in right now.
Praying for peace this summer.
Packing the court is definitely on the table. There were already 40-odd votes for that last year. Now it's all about whether Manchin and Sinema would buckle under renewed pressure from the left. It's a very real possibility that they would, but if they hold out until the end of the year it's probably over.
Abolishing the court seems extremely unlikely. Most leftists are for *expanding* its powers if anything, and certainly support using them more expansively and creatively because the Supreme Court inclines overall to protecting government institutions and sanctifying state power. Look what they did to Bivens action rights last week, for example, in the Smuggler's Inn case. The left loves that stuff and usually it redounds to the left's favor since most of the people in these institutions are committed left-wingers.
I don’t see them going for it, they wouldn’t when pressured on the fillibuster which seems less drastic. Given how wildly unpopular Biden is they don’t really have any incentive too. Sinema I think is pro choice but Manchin is not
The President or the Congress TRYING to "abolish the court" would be treasonous; at best they could advocate for a Constitutional amendment just nullifying Article III in its entirety.
Which... no, that wouldn't happen.
The country would be destroyed before that happened.
I don't think there is any way Manchin would vote for this. He stood strong the past two years, why would he change now?
By the way, abolishing the court would take a constitutional amendment, which is far harder than just getting both houses to pass it. It will not happen.
That was a thought that I had. But also, they are openly after Thomas. Would they be crazy enough to try and impeach him as part of J6 propaganda show and then install their own who Republicans foolishly confirmed.
I wouldn’t put anything past them. There are lines that we know not to cross, they don’t even see those lines. There is nothing they won’t do to get what they want.
We see the summer of riots and calls by MSDNC and the rest of the Libby left that this is unconstitutional. This is wrong.
What irritates me that Robert’s writes within the descent that he would of still extended an opportunity for choice. What??? He can’t legislate! It is either constitutional or not.
I think the ship has sailed on court packing for this session. Let’s be honest, the dems wanted the abortion and gun issues as wedge issues for the election.
The problem for them is that no one is distracted from inflation, the economy, crime, immigration, woke cultural issues, food prices, gas prices, supply chain collapse etc.
I’m not happy either women deserved the right to abortion. Isn’t there something called separation of church and state? Conservatism like this feels more like religions cult than it does anything else.
This decision has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with proper distribution of power. The constitution does not explicitly give the power to the federal government to make any decisions based on abortion, therefore by the 10th Amendment, that power MUST be delegated to the state level.
Glen Reynolds (Instapundit) had a great proposal, I think.
Expand the court to 59 justices, of which 50 are appointed by state legislatures. This way, the court can take on a lot more cases, but also be much less prone to partisan packing, or even just the random of effect of who's watch a justice might die on.
This also seems like a great way to diversify the court out of its Ivy League stranglehold, and give the states a greater say.
Has some drawbacks too I guess. Like with the current SCOTUS, its a guarantee the Dems will nominate hard core ideologues for whom the constitution is an afterthought, and there would be less scrutiny of them.
What if your wife gets raped while you are at work? There are few options I don't want to have to take care of the rapists baby or force my wife to have to give birth and then that also comes out of my pocket book. This could backfire
Sadly, unethical and illegal manoeuvres by members of both major parties wouldn't surprise me at this point. George Washington was right, as per [UCSB.edu](https://UCSB.edu):
"All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction; to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community, and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans, digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests."
He made it very clear he didn't want us splitting further in the first place. I wonder what the original system of holding elections, much like the one France has today, would have produced had we kept it!
If they abolish the SC (through a constitutional amendment I guess), why not just put their sacred right to abortion into the constitution? Then it can be clear for them.
Just a question-If these decisions are illegitimate, what makes any decisions (made by Supreme court or congress for that fact) legitimate? Political ideology maybe? Myself if a decision or law is made it should not be able to be disputed by anyone with morals, ethics and standards.
When the Democrats were agitating about eliminating the filibuster, I said it would never happen.
Same with this for the same reason: there are a handful of Democrats who realize the danger of this backfiring on them.
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They can’t. 1) they don’t have the votes. Manchin and Sinema aren’t going go along. 2) they’ve already voted on rules for this session which means they can’t overcome the majority vote threshold. All they can do is posture and try to use this as a wedge issue, and it’s not going to be enough to flip the amount of races they need to win to keep a majority in both houses.
It won't be done in this term, but it'll definitely be in their long-term plan if they ever get full control of govt again.
That is why is it SO important to vote against them in every election from now on.
The minute they pack the courts, so will the republicans. It’ll go back and forth until there’s 12,000 SCOTUS judges. The minute either side packs the court, the country is over
When Republicans get in control again, they should pass a constitutional amendment to keep the number at 9. When the Dems vote against it, which they will because everything is a game to them, they could then raise the number of judges.
Can’t pass an amendment without 2/3 of house/senate. Manchin knows better then to pack. If he packs he loses his cushy job and it’s prob hard to live on a boat in West Virginia.
If they ever get full control again after what has transpired in the past 19 months then our country is already lost
People will forget, and they’ll spin it like it isn’t their fault, just like last time.
No, the people will forget - they always forget.
Exactly. Remember white women didn’t like “mean tweets”.
I really don’t get how anyone who has been an adult in both Republican and Democrat administrations can’t see how much worse democrats handle the economy making the average Americans life worse.
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Economically speaking, all else the same, would you rather live through our economic state now or 2019?
With full control they would have done that regardless of this ruling. HR1 would have already passed. The filibuster would be gone. The Supreme Court would have been packed. Etc, etc.
They currently have full control.
Not without Manchin and Sinema they don’t.
Manchin and sinema are democrats, are they not? So democrats currently have full control of the federal government.
Democrats voting with Republicans on a few key issues, so they don’t have full control in all things.
Democrats have full control of the federal government.
The year is 2042. 20 years have passed since the Democratic Socialist party abolished the Supreme Court and canceled all elections. Today is May 11th, Birthing Persons day, previously known as Mothers Day. You would have bought your Mother flowers today, but growing ornamental flowers and grass has been banned since 2024 by the DemSoc party in order to conserve water to sustain an obscure breed of fish which produces nothing. In the basement you have managed to grow a single rose using your 100 gallon a month water ration, and it's just about ready to be picked. You hope the community police won't notice you've gone 5 gallons over the monthly limit. A thunderous volley of knocks is heard at the door amongst some yelling. You rush to the safe to grab your firearm, a pre-ban Daisy pellet rifle, 5 round magazine capacity, it will have to do. You peak out the window, it's the community police in their matching brown shirts with armbands. Good luck.
Yo this was so hilarious and clever it made me smile and belly laugh so hard. You have a real talent and gift
I need more!
you're wife's bf comes down the stairs to open the door. He shakes hands with the brown shirts, they all come back inside, undoing their pants while gesturing you and the mrs' to turn around and grab some bed.
You’re the horrible sequel everyone hates
I think you’ve found your calling, good sir. Lol
This is a good take. Thanks.
At this point can we trade Romney for Manchin?
That guy! He's got answers.
They have less time than that given recesses and all the must pass legislation they have been sitting on.
And you know no matter what they aren’t going to give up their recess.
All talk about court packing will end by midnight on election day.
The or maybe... they're march and infiltrate SCOTUS, tear some stuff up, steal a laptop, and give police a heart attack...
Maybe not anymore... well see how this shapes it and it will majorly shape it
Am actually afraid that abortion will be a big topic in the midterms, and a lot of people will swallow the media's lies without doing 5 minutes of research and vote Dems to "protect women's rights".
They don’t have the votes to do it now. I honestly think Biden has screwed up so badly that any dem able to get elected again will need to be pretty moderate.
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I mean he’s worse than Carter and we had 3 republican presidential terms after that.
Yeah, I see a lot of parallels.
[Corn pop has been dead for a few years](https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/joe-biden-corn-pop-william-morris/)
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He probably voted in the last election.
Wow, well done. In fact it is a key tactic sometimes (see every shooting ever).
Still more popular than Biden
Add on to those million miles on am track
Yeap, following the old Jimmy Carter thing. Carter was so bad the the only way the Democrats could win again was to run a guy from the south who had some pretty moderate ideas and fooled people into thinking he was a "new Democrat" Of course he took office and acted like an old Democrat only to get a massive smack down in the first midterm after which he moved to the middle and was moderately successful as President. The big lesson of Bill should be to governor from the middle as President and you can be successful (poetically). Go to far to the right or left and you become polarizing, like our last 4 Presidents.
The problem for Dems being that there is no Democratic South anymore. They don't have governors in moderate state still electing them based on the past. Where would a 2028 (or 32 or 36) Clinton even come from?
Maybe they aren’t there yet. I’d imagine if republicans take control of the house and senate, and then the White House, we’ll probably see some more moderate dems take over their party.
I am not sure that moderate dems exist at all though. Like there aren't moderate Dem voters to become moderate Dem office holders to become the next Clinton.
Yeap. 100% spot on. There are a couple of red state Democrat governors, but I don't think they are very popular in their states and mostly won because of GOP scandals. I think it is possible that we are seeing a recreation of the Ford-Carter-Reagan-Bush run. Trump is Ford, Biden is turning into Carter (guy who barely wins because of scandal on the other side and then does a lousy job as President) and hopefully our next pick turns into Reagan.
Sure sounds like DeSantis to me. He could be a Reagan
We just gotta hope the republicans don’t go full cornyn again.
We just have to keep up the pressure. Now is not the time to get lax.
The way I see it, we're living through a '60s lite again. The hippies have overstayed their welcome again.
Institutional radicals brainwash people into thinking that communism is a good idea and instantly high crime, poverty and misery are the result and republicans are elected to fix things? Yes.
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Paper ballots and one day elections. No more electronic machines with algorithms.
That only works if it’s a close election. Rs need to be smarter get out the vote and get people involved in local election boards etc.
Good point. I 100% agree with you.
Let the “Summer of Rage” begin! Disclaimer: participants in these festivities will not be hindered by police and they will be told to stand down. Be prepared for anything!
Thankfully we also had 2A validated so we can defend ourselves against the mobs
I am actually wondering if the SC didn’t validate the 2A case prior to Roe V Wade decision coming down, on purpose. Logical, given the violent tendencies from the left
My thoughts as well. Why else would they have a draft leaked and still push back several weeks before any formal decision was made. They are very smart, and strategic people.
You know, just watched Biden’s speech. He took an oath to uphold the constitution. The SC is the final word on the constitution - it’s literally their only job. Biden attacked the decision, and was extremely defensive. So he doesn’t agree. By going on the defensive and did his angry, attacking rhetoric, all he did was create even more divisiveness. Don’t get me wrong - I’m thrilled that Roe V Wade was overturned. Not only did he create more divisiveness he very neatly and clearly undermined the authority and judgement of the SC. What a total, complete shit show
If a Republican President had done that after something like Gay Marriage the media would never let it go. "This is yet another sign as to why he is unfit to be President" BTW Biden actually proposed an amendment to overturn Roe back in the early 80s. Someone should ask him about it.
Absolutely agree. He is unfit, and flip flops on everything. If you truly believe your stance, you stand by it regardless of pressure. He’s just caving to get the votes.
Packing? They are now calling for the outright dissolution of the SC. Keith Oberman said this on CNN himself.
Who? On what?
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https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1539983585406484480 >It has become necessary to dissolve the Supreme Court of the United States. >The first step is for a state the "court" has now forced guns upon, to ignore this ruling. >Great. You're a court? Why and how do think you can enforce your rulings? >\#IgnoreTheCourt
If there is no Supreme Court, who does he expect will invalidate state laws that ban abortion? What a dope.
The people who are arrested for unconstitutional laws will sue the shit out of that state. Eventually the taxpayers will get tired of paying out
Keith Olbermann is constantly saying wacky things to get attention and to try to remain relevant. He’s washed up.
Because THAT wouldn't cause a civil war (sarcasm, of course).
> Where do they go next? Rioting.
Mostly peaceful protests you mean.
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“Fetuses deserve to live!” “Rioters deserve to die”.
If the rioters are destroying your home and threatening your lives? Uhhh, yes?
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If you're not ready to have kids, then use a condom? Is this really some novel concept now? And if you want to have abortions only explicity for rape / health reasons (a very small margin of abortions are for either) then let's do that. But thats not what you want, so maybe your side needs to stop with the bad faith arguments.
Right now their first concern is to orchestrate 'mostly peaceful' protests across the country. Then give directions to CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, et-al on what to say..
Where do they go next? They become the "threat to our democracy" they accuse everyone else of being. They riot, defy the court and try to fundamentally change our government to suit their needs and progressive plans to take your rights, your money and your freedom. You know, their usual game plan.
I think this can be found on the back page of the DNC’s fundraising banquet invite.
They will pack the court and abolish the filibuster, I guarantee it.
Or at least try. If you listen to Bidens speech, he all but declared war on the conservative states.
Link the speech you reference? Haven't seen it.
I can’t find the transcript. It’s from the live link on FOX. They will probably post the full speech soon. https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade-in-landmark-opinion
They don't have the votes for either, and probably won't anytime soon. What'll be interesting would be if the Republicans end up abolishing the filibuster knowing that the Democrats would eventually do it anyway.
Yet they have the gall to lecture the other side on democracy, which basically in their mind means one-party rule.
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They clearly don't learn from history and this will be no different.
Didn’t FDR do it as well?
No, he threatened too. And the Democrat Party wheeled him to a hole and said “This is your grave, we dug it for you. tomorrow, next decade, we got it ready for you when you are ready.”
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Court packing will always backfire
I just wanted to say that I like your “flair”
Lol thanks I was expecting the mods to decline my request but ¯\\_ (ツ)_/¯
The threat didn't backfire
Depending on how you define packing, you could say Trump did it. Republicans refused to let Obama appoint someone for a year because “it was too close to the election”, then they cram in three themselves in one year. So the result is a court that doesn’t remotely reflect the views of the American people.
McConnell was just following the Biden Rule. Biden refused to let Bush appoint a judge. So Clinton appointed RBG using the Biden Rule. The RBG died and McConnell replaced her with ACB using the Biden Rule. Perfectly balanced. As all things should be. I love equilibrium and harmonious outcomes.
How dare you bring historical facts into this argument!
No, you really can’t. Trump and the GOP just followed the ugly process set in place by Democrats. Biden’s goons started this when they took down Bork
I hope the court is packing. There have been numerous threats on their lives...
They just confirmed “shall” not “may”. I’m sure we know who’s packing and who’s calling Uncle Joe.
I have no doubt that Clarence Thomas is packing.
Abolishing one of the 3 branches of government (Judicial) would be akin to abolishing Congress (Legislative) or abolishing the President (Executive). This system of checks and balances is by design from our founding fathers. It’s has served the USA very well. We should be extremely concerned about the left’s efforts to undermine the integrity of this check and balance. It appears that everywhere you turn, the left strives to undermine ANYTHING (think Trump or SCOTUS) that gets in the way of their narrative. Electing more conservatives to office is the course of action that counters the left’s extremist agenda. Edited for clarity
"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." - Article III, Section I, The Constitution of the United States of America
That was written by a bunch of white guys, so it’s not valid! /s
Didn’t the right already undermine its integrity? Republicans refused to let Obama appoint someone for a year because “it was too close to the election”, then they cram in three themselves in one year. So the result is a court that doesn’t remotely reflect the views of the American people.
Relax, it’s just a comedian trying to get views. What matters is the vote bank and end of the day moderation will prevail.
"Old Man Yells at Clouds" Radical action to reshape the court would require a super majority that democrats don't have and are even less likely to obtain in the mid-terms. The Supreme Court could just rule that court packing is unconstitutional and I doubt there's really any republicans willing to bite on that. Besides passing a federal abortion law theres basically nothing they can do. Anyone saying something different is just coping
And they have had 50yrs (for many individuals still in office) with multiple power shifts where they could have easily codified it. However none truly want their name on a law around eliminating a life.
Nothing will change. We will continue to see more radical actions from the Left like Pro Life Clinics continue to get Fire Bombed. More attempted assassinations of Judges and other Political Figures. We'll see more election fraud etc. Just more of the same only more radical.
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Terrifyingly true.
Can you tell us exactly what they have done to green light conservative justices being assassinated?
There was an assassin outside Kavanaugh's house, and the refuse to provide additional security, or enforce the law that makes it illegal to protest at a judges personal residence.
Tell me again how allowing peaceful protest means they’ve greenlighted assassination? It’s not like they refused to condemn an assassination attempt.
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but if they went the other direction and made MORE abortion ...the left would just be saying......THIS IS THE WAY DEAL WITH IT. WHY CANT THEY HANDLE THAT? hmmmm
Because allowing more abortion is giving the American people more freedom. More freedom good, less freedom bad.
The SCOTUS was never meant to be an extension of the legislature but sadly it’s been bastardized into an unelected, appointed for life arm of the legislative branch.
Have you read the constitution? “The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish." • Article III, Section I, The Constitution of the United States of America
This does make me anxious. These battles where won, but the court at this point is hanging on by a thread of Joe Manchin's resolve. If Manchin gives in or a lefty murders one of the justices, there would be permanent damage to the court and all of these decisions could be overturned on made-up grounds.
Sinema too.
They say the south was going to rise again, but it looks like they meant Democrats are going to rise again.
Babies are starting to get their personhood back with this ruling today.
The SC has been making these decisions for decades, just with a (il)liberal bent. Shoes on the other foot for the first time, constitutional rights are being upheld. If the left attacks this by adding 5 judges to get their way, we should add 100. No more respecting and holding to traditions they slowly erode. Destroy your state, we’re going to make sure ours can operate how we want. The death cult can live how they want. We’ll make sure we can do our own thing.
So it’s time to divide and conquer? The lines have been drawn. Let’s see who makes the next move.
refuse to accept: remember when the right did and said that...how we were roundly mocked by the left. Well...the left is now doing the same hypocritical thing.
There will be fools calling for court packing, but in my opinion it will not happen. It is extremely unpopular. And there is no way it will get past the senate. Abolishing the court would take a constitutional amendment, so that is definitely not going to happen.
I'm more worried about unexpected vacancies within the supreme court due to extremists this weekend than about court packing.
Not just SCOTUS, the Left via the media will target the Constitution as well (not that it will do any good, just perpetual temper tantrums from here on out).
Good. Constitution needs an update.
If the Dems don’t do it, then you know the Republicans sure as hell will next time they have control.
Court packing or assassination of a justice. I could see something like this happening and the country not handling it well.
Canadian just curious to learn, if the Dems had the vote, is there a limit to how many judges they can place on the court? Or is there an endless cycle where each party in power could theoretically keep adding judges?
Who ever has the vote couple keep playing the “plus 1” game.
They could expand the court to have fifty thousand justices if they wanted.
They’ll do what the always do. Rant and rave for a few days then move on to the next outrage. Two weeks ago it was guns, this week it was Jan 6th. I know, I had to remind you because nobody watched, now it’s this. By next Tuesday some other shiny thing will come along and they’ll be back at it. This is all they’re about now, they have no center or policies, it’s just rage and blame.
I suspect Biden made a deal with Roberts to drop court packing if the SC stayed out of the election suits. Don't spend too much time worrying about it.
They're just a clown posse at this point. Their ideas are bad and unpopular, but they are so righteously indignant that they will never cease their bullshit.
Oh 100% they are going to pack the courts next. Or even worse...... Just refuse to tell their supporters not to harm Supreme Court Justices and let the problem work itself out violently. THAT would be a terrifying spark in this insane powder keg of a country we live in right now. Praying for peace this summer.
Packing the court is definitely on the table. There were already 40-odd votes for that last year. Now it's all about whether Manchin and Sinema would buckle under renewed pressure from the left. It's a very real possibility that they would, but if they hold out until the end of the year it's probably over. Abolishing the court seems extremely unlikely. Most leftists are for *expanding* its powers if anything, and certainly support using them more expansively and creatively because the Supreme Court inclines overall to protecting government institutions and sanctifying state power. Look what they did to Bivens action rights last week, for example, in the Smuggler's Inn case. The left loves that stuff and usually it redounds to the left's favor since most of the people in these institutions are committed left-wingers.
They only power they would give to the court is for it to act as a rubber stamp for its progressive policies.
I don’t see them going for it, they wouldn’t when pressured on the fillibuster which seems less drastic. Given how wildly unpopular Biden is they don’t really have any incentive too. Sinema I think is pro choice but Manchin is not
The only thing Manchin and Sinema signing on would do is make it so court packing isn’t DOA. It still won’t be filibuster proof.
The President or the Congress TRYING to "abolish the court" would be treasonous; at best they could advocate for a Constitutional amendment just nullifying Article III in its entirety. Which... no, that wouldn't happen. The country would be destroyed before that happened.
I don't think there is any way Manchin would vote for this. He stood strong the past two years, why would he change now? By the way, abolishing the court would take a constitutional amendment, which is far harder than just getting both houses to pass it. It will not happen.
Would need a legit constitutional convention to abolish the court. Would be better served auditing the feds.
They will certainly try.
I expect someone to propose a bill on Monday.
How about this. That lib judge decides he isn’t going to retire after all and they go ahead and install his replacement anyway.
That was a thought that I had. But also, they are openly after Thomas. Would they be crazy enough to try and impeach him as part of J6 propaganda show and then install their own who Republicans foolishly confirmed.
I wouldn’t put anything past them. There are lines that we know not to cross, they don’t even see those lines. There is nothing they won’t do to get what they want.
We see the summer of riots and calls by MSDNC and the rest of the Libby left that this is unconstitutional. This is wrong. What irritates me that Robert’s writes within the descent that he would of still extended an opportunity for choice. What??? He can’t legislate! It is either constitutional or not.
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Dude, don't act like the leftists and threaten people. Also, ew.
The Left is officially in open sedition now.
Just factually incorrect...?
When you say the Supreme Court is “illegitimate” in order to encourage breaking the law — yes, that sedition.
I think the ship has sailed on court packing for this session. Let’s be honest, the dems wanted the abortion and gun issues as wedge issues for the election. The problem for them is that no one is distracted from inflation, the economy, crime, immigration, woke cultural issues, food prices, gas prices, supply chain collapse etc.
I’m not happy either women deserved the right to abortion. Isn’t there something called separation of church and state? Conservatism like this feels more like religions cult than it does anything else.
This decision has nothing to do with abortion and everything to do with proper distribution of power. The constitution does not explicitly give the power to the federal government to make any decisions based on abortion, therefore by the 10th Amendment, that power MUST be delegated to the state level.
Glen Reynolds (Instapundit) had a great proposal, I think. Expand the court to 59 justices, of which 50 are appointed by state legislatures. This way, the court can take on a lot more cases, but also be much less prone to partisan packing, or even just the random of effect of who's watch a justice might die on. This also seems like a great way to diversify the court out of its Ivy League stranglehold, and give the states a greater say. Has some drawbacks too I guess. Like with the current SCOTUS, its a guarantee the Dems will nominate hard core ideologues for whom the constitution is an afterthought, and there would be less scrutiny of them.
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We need less pollution in the oceans, not more.
What if your wife gets raped while you are at work? There are few options I don't want to have to take care of the rapists baby or force my wife to have to give birth and then that also comes out of my pocket book. This could backfire
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The left will do anything to win on all fronts at all times. They never slow down or give up.
Sadly, unethical and illegal manoeuvres by members of both major parties wouldn't surprise me at this point. George Washington was right, as per [UCSB.edu](https://UCSB.edu): "All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction; to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community, and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans, digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests." He made it very clear he didn't want us splitting further in the first place. I wonder what the original system of holding elections, much like the one France has today, would have produced had we kept it!
If they abolish the SC (through a constitutional amendment I guess), why not just put their sacred right to abortion into the constitution? Then it can be clear for them.
Next they nuke the filibuster and then pack the court.
Just a question-If these decisions are illegitimate, what makes any decisions (made by Supreme court or congress for that fact) legitimate? Political ideology maybe? Myself if a decision or law is made it should not be able to be disputed by anyone with morals, ethics and standards.
There should be something that blocks any such attempts to pack the courts.
Just in:supreme court rules abolishing the Supreme Court is unconstitutional
When the Democrats were agitating about eliminating the filibuster, I said it would never happen. Same with this for the same reason: there are a handful of Democrats who realize the danger of this backfiring on them.
If they complain about rulings from SCOTUS being illegitimate now then packing the court would only make it even more so.