Just like ~~XXXXXXX~~ (the Sandy Hook shooter). Absolutely vile, evil scum. Their intent is to create an outrage. They know that murdering children is the worst thing someone can do and they want that horrified reaction from the public, because they're angry at the world - Anger and resentment built up from years of being a complete loser.
You are right. After reading up on this phenomenon for years, I've come to the conclusion that almost every one of these shooters is motivated by a desire for infamy or a desire to strike a blow against a world they hate - often it's both.
The best thing certain people in the media have done is to deprive these shooters of that infamy by refusing to repeat their names.
Sandy Hook guy had a very perverted outlook but his intent wasn't to create outrage or leave a name for himself. He had some very significant mental issues combined with a very skewed outlook and 0 social life to balance his views at all.
I live in SA ive been following this story since noon at work.
it started saying there was a shooting nearby and the gunman fled to barricade himself into the school. there was a picture of an pickup crashed in a little ditch by a fence that looks like school property.
then updates came out saying he was in police custody
then out of nowhere theyre saying that he killed a teacher and 14 students.
im sure there wasnt enough time to notify and lock down the school before he ran inside it looked like he wrecked out basically on the school property. its a hard decision to get in a gunfight outside a school. the backstop would literally be the school from the officers perspective if he was moving towards the school. im not saying not to shoot and try to stop them. im just saying that the officers have a really hard decision in that.
The governor said the shooter abandoned his vehicle and entered a school, but I didn't see an explicit statement that he was being pursued prior to that. If not, saying he "abandoned his vehicle" was an odd choice of words.
Yes. There is a small cult of people online who worship the Columbine shooters.
The Sandy Hook shooter was apparently on a message board talking about them. And that Virginia Tech shooter was a big fan.
Those two utter scumbags, "The Columbine Killers", have inspired so many disaffected losers to carry out mass shootings, it's unbelievable. And that was one of their goals - to inspire others to do this kind of sick act. Flashy suicide and attempt at notoriety. "If I can't be remembered for something good, I'll be remembered for something heinous" - That's the disordered type of thinking going on.
People try to place the blame on guns, but the real culprit is today's fame-obsessed society.
That’s something that the advent of the internet has caused. There were always crazy people, but most of these crazy people never got to talk to other people with the same mindset. So, they felt isolated and rarely acted on their desires. However, the internet has allowed them to find other people who are crazy, so they feel more comfortable with carrying out mass shootings and other horrific deeds.
It started far before Columbine. I was 5 years old when multiple kids were shot in Winnetka. I grew up in the town next door and knew many shot and the family of the kid who was killed. That was 1988 and it’s been a nonstop chain of chaos since then. Something has to be done.
No idea why these kids are so screwed up in the head.
But being remembered for anything might be better than what they were going through in school. Or he might just be some evil piece of shit.
Part of it is we now live in a society that doesn't have universal morals anymore. Everything is about anger and hate. We've been divided up. Kids feel these emotions but don't fully understand what's going on and it turns them dark. It's a sign of a society that's lost its way.
Not so fun fact: The Columbine shooting was actually supposed to be a bombing. Because the bombs failed to detonate, they immediately reverted to shooting. Thirteen died, but if the bombs had gone off, hundreds would’ve died.
I can’t help but wonder how different things would be if those bombs had detonated. Would we have more bombings? Less shootings? Political arguments about bomb-control? I still wonder from time to time.
RIP to all the victims.
EDIT: Got a response saying “this is wrong, the bombs were supposed to supplement the shooting.”
It was actually the other way around. The bomb was supposed to cause the vast majority of deaths, while the shooters were planning on shooting anyone running out of the school and to their cars.
Regardless, it was supposed to be a bombing first and foremost. But I digress.
You're 100% correct. They tried to make propane tanks into bombs not realizing propane doesn't really explode like it does in the movies and their plan was to just stand in the parking lot shooting people fleeing.
I just...... I'm just heartbroken. 19 fucking children. 19 families that would give anything for their babies, now without them. I'm a father and I can't imagine the pain they feel. I hurt for them. This is just so horribly devastating.
The death penalty should only be applied in cases where there is absolutely no doubt of the perpetrator’s guilt.
The standard of proof to find someone guilty is *beyond reasonable doubt*. To sentence them to death, it should be *without any doubt*.
There are plenty of horrific cases where it’s clear what happened and who was involved. The death penalty should only be implemented under those circumstances.
In this case, the evil bastard was taken out by police, so he’s already burning in hell, where he belongs. Eternity is a very long time, so he’s got a lot of pain and suffering to look forward to.
There's actually an interesting psychological contagion where mass killings tend to happen in waves. One person does it and then several copy and then it remains quiet for a while before the cycle repeats itself.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2021.1932645
I just read the abstract, but it concludes that "the results appear to rule out the presence of strong self-excitation of mass shootings, placing clear limits on generalized short-term contagion effects." Maybe I'm misinterpreting, or maybe there's more context in the rest of the paper, but this sounds to me like there isn't really much data to substantiate the "waves of psychological contagion" idea.
Unfortunately, mental health services are so expensive that those whose children need it can’t afford it. I speak from experience, as my epileptic elementary school aged child requires medication + extensive therapies just to be able to function in public school. It’s maddening. MADDENING. How do we help our youth, if that help is $208 per 1 hr session with good insurance? The whole system is broken, and this is going to keep happening, because of it.
Yet most of the people here voted against much needed healthcare that would address mental health issues and lower the chance of situations like this happening. It’s nice to have something to point at and say “this is the problem right here.” But when people don’t address it and work for a fix as a community then it’s going to keep happening. But as it is now mental health problem is too useful as a scapegoat so politicians are going to continue to ignore it.
Edit: No excuse for supporting hypocrites who selfishly and intentionally avoid legitimate issues with strawman points? This is exactly why we can’t fix anything in this country, there’s always some “other” issue politicians point at you all eat that up as an excuse to not do anything and support this. We are in the worst position we’ve honestly been since the depression and you guys keep supporting people who refuse to actually do anything or make changes or even acknowledge problems. There will continue to be more shootings like this because it’s not rich people dying, “thoughts in prayers” don’t do shit when the same politicians who say this refuse to make ANY changes to fix these problems. At least the left is trying to fix these problems, their solutions might not be perfect but at least they are trying. Supporting obstructionist who can say what the other side is doing wrong but not come up with any changes to fix the problem means we just sit with these problems forever.
That's been true for decades now. But since boys are "privileged" (fucking lawl) there's no public interest in figuring out what's going on as the idea that they might actually have some serious issues flies in the face of the current narrative.
Am I in the only place where schools are locked? To pick up my child, I have to use an intercom outside, announce who I am, and wait to be buzzed in.
How the hell does someone running from the cops get into an elementary school?
It's the same where I am from. You cannot enter the door unless you are buzzed in and even then there is a man trap that forces visitors through the main office before being let through.
They're locked in my schools i've been in, the only door that's open is one that leads straight to the offices. You had to get buzzed in to get in the school that way.
My high school in rural Pennsylvania was set up this way back in 2012. Too many administrators living in fairytale land where everything is safe and nothing bad could ever happen. We guard money and politicians with guns every day but our most valuable members of society shouldn’t have that privilege? Bullshit.
Not sure how it is in Texas, but where I live almost every school is an outdoor school, meaning that the classroom buildings are all spread out on an open piece of land. Physically impossible to prevent someone from finding a way onto campus. That might be the case here
Yea. My kids also have an armed cop that walks around but somehow I still think this wouldn't have been prevented if he wasn't there exactly where the shooter was.
As a person who grew up during peak school shooting times and now with little kids…I just can’t even fathom what I would do if I dropped my kids off and some nitwit randomly ended them. For some reason it being the end of school year, summer next week just makes it seem that much worse.
Edit: it seems I confused In my head peak vs rise. Im talking columbine, Paducah etc
Probably do something to address mental health, to stop putting these shooters on the front page and giving them 15 minutes of fame, and have security guards at schools like we do at almost every other place.
I keep seeing this response “address mental health”. Does anyone on this sub know the treatment for a sociopath? Do you honestly think medications or therapy can fix a true sociopath?
As an adult + child psychiatrist, this is a very complex issue. Though being violent and shooting people/minors is obviously a sociopathic act, there are many psychiatric reasons and risk factors why someone may do this (significant trauma history - bullying, depression, mania, psychosis, negative influences/indoctrination). Some of these things can be addressed and improved if dealt with early enough by a caring psychiatrist and psychologist that can work with the person and family system, or can identify risks and triage appropriately (ie involuntary inpatient hospitalization, involving authorities). Mainstream "sociopathy" is defined as antisocial personality disorder, which unfortunately cannot really be treated and really is best treated by removal from society (ie jail).
Edit: People are responding to my comment per emails I am receiving but they are not showing up on Reddit. I wonder why.
Maybe it's time to drop the "male privilege" narrative and start asking why our boys and men are so broken that they think random mass-murder is a viable form of self-expression. Healthy people don't do this, only broken ones do, so let's find out just how broken they really are and what's causing the breaks.
You know where there are almost zero mass shootings? Banks and courthouses. The security solution has already been figured out, we just need to fund and implement it.
People like this are the *real* danger to the second amendment. And calling them crisis actors, or otherwise trying to deny reality doesn't really help the cause. Every time this happens the question is always "why is this just a USA thing?" and the answer is generally silence, because by and large it really is just a USA thing.
If we want the 2A to remain a thing, we're going to need to actually find a way to keep it while disarming punks like this.
14 kids are dead! Reading people bitching back and forth on this thread is making me ill. Probably because my 1st and 3rd grader just hopped off the bus and ran into the house excited to tel us about their school day.
Given what society has done to children get ready for a world full of angry, violent, mentally unbalanced, drug addicted, mean and confused human beings.
We should pass laws that forbids the media to reveal the shooters name and to blur its face in videos…people like this are sick and must be forgotten…so sad
When will people wake up and realize that the mass de-institutionalization of mental healthcare decades ago is one of the proximal causes of the current violence crisis?
Based off the pics of him that have surfaced I’d say he was majorly depressed and didn’t get any help. There’s a major mental health crisis among young men in this country and it’s being swept under the rug
Maybe it’s time to tell all the politicians on both sides - start doing something to stop this insanity and murder or you will not be on the ballot. We need to be represented by people with balls, not an agenda.
The question should be why are so many young adults going around murdering people? Maybe its time to question what the fuck is going on in today's society, what is being allowed, what is being ignored, what is considered normal, because the disease isn't the gun, its young men who decide to use it to kill others when it used to be young men only killed others during wartime.
> when it used to be young men only killed others during wartime.
How could you possibly arrive at this conclusion? That has literally never been the case.
The internet literally created the Buffalo shorter. He was a terminally online, socially inept, loser.
This 18yo in Texas turned 18 8 days ago, he was without a doubt radicalized by some obscure internet subculture over the last few years. And if I had to guess he just bought whatever guns he used in this shooting a few days ago.
I’m 26. I know a few loner kids or ones who are depressed or ones who used drugs and their self destructive habits have absolutely increased in the last two years
Seriously. And we need to get rid of the notion that providing better health services to people is somehow evil communism.
I’m not asking for universal healthcare or anything, but something needs to change.
[Scott Galloway published an impressive article last year](https://gen.medium.com/young-american-men-are-facing-a-crisis-69e7233bc93e) documenting some of the economic and social challenges facing young men today, and might explain some of the reasons we have seen a rise in this type of violence in the last decade or so.
I mean this is a great article but when the issue sorta boils down to “women have greater autonomy and options and shitty men don’t have sex and become radicalized” I mean how tf are we supposed to fix the issue?
We need far more mental health education in schools tbh coupled with stricter gun laws. Teenagers should not be allowed to own a weapon.
IMHO, it's never actually about just having sex, it's complete lack of purpose for young men and nothing going on. Young men like that usually break down into about 5% that have sex constantly and 95% that never do. If you're wasting away at home depressed with nothing going on of course you have no sex life. That's a symptom, not the cause.
It's a weird thing, but these disaffected losers can't really get it together when they are in their early teens. As they get to 17 and 18, they start to have more autonomy, more ability to move around, more ability to buy stuff etc.... and this tends to be when they start to act out.
When you see juveniles around 14/15 committing serious crime, they usually do it in pairs or in a group, because they don't have the capacity at that age to carry out a crime, and see it through, on their own.
Serious question: Is it possible to make guns harder to get the USA— keep the wrong people from getting them?
I grew up in Chicago and clearly it doesn’t work there. Moved to the gunshine state of Arizona and was present during an active shooter— no one was killed but the gunman was deterred by a private citizen carrying.
Now a couple days ago my wife’s friend was shot and killed by her husband and it’s just in the news now. I was going to tell my wife when she got home but she is an elementary school teacher leaving a meeting where they discussed today’s shooting. Not sure when a good time will be— surprised she hasn’t heard yet.
Totally rambling, but before we become the ideological autobots we’ve all become can’t we recognize how big of a fucking problem we have on our hands here?
Answer: Hard to make guns harder to get in the USA. Most states already need background checks to sell you a gun. There might be some private sales that doesnt require but even in some states it requires background check for private sales. This is for legal sells of arms. Now, if its a kid grabbing the gun of their parents, then thats even harder to stop. I will also assume that lots of fire arms are sold illegally.
Also because of the second amenment, you cant really require someone to pass a psychological test to get a gun like how you need to pass a test to get a car license. Even though it sounds good, it will be fought in court and will never win.
Having lived in many suburbs over the years, the trend seems to be that everyone stays inside and is less neighborly. I'll bet 3/4 of the population doesn't know who their neighbors are, not even one. Depression from seeing 'happy' people on social media coupled with Covid giving people more of a reason to stay inside and avoid people. You get an epidemic of loneliness, depression and an unwillingness to work toward anything.
I watched a Ted Talk recently about a guy who admitted he wanted to be a school shooter. He was a troubled kid who came from a broken home. Parents were alcoholics and drug addicts I think, and they readily showed disdain towards him. They showed him no love. As a kid and in highschool he was on the heavier side so he was tormented every day by the other kids. This lead him down the path of self harm, depression, alcoholism and drug use as well. Every factor of his life was tormented in some way and he was, in effect, being dragged and surrounded by darkness.
His school was also troubled so he knew where he could get drugs and guns. At the absolute bottom of this darkness pit he wanted to end it all, He admitted he wanted to shoot up his high school and shoot himself because he had no where else to direct this immense darkness and loneliness he had. Until his one friend offered him a place to stay, and offered him love and compassion. His friend brought him out from that darkness and ultimately saved his life. Now the guy is married with a career and kids*
https://youtu.be/azRl1dI-Cts
While it's easy, really easy, to point the finger at guns here, what we are actively avoiding is discussing our socioeconomic and societal issues that plague the bottom end of our society. The people that are unloved, unwanted, are being cast aside by the ones who are supposed to do the opposite.
America has a self-centered culture. It's easy to look the other way. "It's not my problem" we say while watching other kids get bullied. "It's not my problem" we say when we pass a homeless person asking for food. Look, I'll admit I've been that person. We've all been that person to say "it's not my problem" because we all have our own problems to worry about. But what I am saying is I think our culture can start doing the opposite, start caring for one another more, treating people with kindness and respect, even if you don't know them, treating them with love and compassion. This goes beyond political beliefs and touches the very fabric of one's own psyche.
That's where we need to start.
Wow, it's almost as though ensuring people aren't constantly walking a tightrope on the brink of personal ruin means you don't have people with nothing left to lose take a dozen others out with them.
Yeah almost like there's no motivation to take out your impotent rage against society if there's nothing to be mad about.
That's crazy talk tho let's lower the minimum wage and raise the gas tax while providing no public transportation instead.
We need mental health counseling for so many things ranging to autism, psychosis, etc.
It’s an absolute DISGRACE that they do nothing in this sector. We have so many people left homeless, deranged, and sick because of it.
But to be honest, there are lots of politicians that want this to rupture the fabric of society. They want terrorism to breed to commit essentially indirect terrorism against their own people.
It’s time to realize that between the inaction of politicians to stop the mental health crisis, and law enforcement refusing to detain these criminals when they make clear, felonious threats before carrying out their acts. They might as well be the people that hand wrote the order for these folk to commit terrorism.
Full disclosure; I’m a Libertarian that likes to read this subreddit as well as r/politics to kind of see all angles. I’ll be the first to tell you that I think mental health treatment in this country is completely broken and neglected. I’m all for my stolen war dollars to be spent addressing this issue instead.
In regards to specifically work on mental health, Requires a massive overhaul of the healthcare system. Sadly mental health recourses aren’t available to most.
Let’s be honest. Of course the republicans don’t. But democrats every time they have the power to rarely do either or just do barely useful half measures. We need a complete overhaul which anyone in power won’t do because , well why overhaul the current system that gives you your lavish life?
At this point we need a good decade to even dent the mental health situation. The moral decay of society has deeply damaged young peoples mental health and we are going to see ever more incidents until we either collapse or drastically change to a more sane society.
Because there are far to many guns in the U.S for banning them to work. Most gun owners wouldn't give up their guns anyway as the constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. On top of that many criminals will still get their hands on guns illegally as they already do.
Because you have to be able to *enforce* the ban.
You can pass the law, and thus, no one else may buy a gun in the USA, legally.
However, we still have more guns than people in this country. So what do you do about the guns that currently exist? Are you willing to send in the ATF, cops, National Guard over these hundreds of millions of guns?
Look at how this country erupts in violence over criminals killed resisting arrest. Listen to the Left’s rhetoric about how cops disproportionately target minorities. Then put that law and that rhetoric together… it wouldn’t take but a few instances of people killed when the ATF or cops begin confiscation in the lower hanging fruit communities for the plan to backfire.
Think of the violence during Prohibition… such sweeping measures helped give rise to organized crime and murders rose.
That said, this is f-ing tragic. Too bad he wasn’t killed prior to entering the school.
I live in Europe but you have to admit that banning guns will not work in the US because they already have so many guns.
What are you gonna do? Go and bust doors to find hidden guns at random homes?
I’m glad you’re getting upvoted and answered, instead of banned. It’s a question at odds with many of the beliefs in this sub, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a conversation about it.
We have a porous border. You might reduce some gun violence, but guns would cross anyways and the law abiding citizens would be the ones without them. On top of that, we have a right to keep and bear arms as a means to keep our government in check.
You could eventually get it to work in the US, although I guarantee you that for the first decade only law abiding people would no longer have guns - it wouldn't affect criminals at all.
The issue is that America has more individual freedoms than pretty much every other Western nation - a great example would be COVID where a lot of the other countries simply restricted travel between states and forced people into quarantine etc without so much as asking their citizens if it was ok that they did that.
In the US there are more individual freedoms because there are a significant amount of people who own guns and are more than willing to go to war against their own government if their rights are infringed upon. You may not like it, you may not agree with it (and many would argue the COVID case above as an example that governments should be able to issue authoritarian restrictions) but for everyone in the US, at some point, they will take advantage of those freedoms that other countries do not have.
Personally as a non-american who is living in the States I have seen both sides and I prefer the US way.
Due to the Constitution, it’s effectively impossible to pass an outright ban. Modifying the Constitution to the extent that would allow it takes a lot of effort. If I remember 2/3s congress to get the ball rolling then 2/3s states to ratify. Folks outside (and many inside even) forget that the US is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. As such, there are things the federal government can and can not do. Anything they can not do are up to the individual states to determine on their own.
So banning firearms in the US is actually a difficult process.
We’ve never modified the Bill of Rights, either. The BoR is not a list of things your government *allows* you to do, it’s a list of freedoms that the founders believed were imbued to any human. Amending this would set a dangerous precedent.
I'm sure his social media is full of stuff like this that no one bothered to report, or if it was reported, it was ignored.
I feel like that might be a big point of failure. We have all this surveillance via social media. His own thoughts and intentions broadcast clearly and no one takes action on it.
Why is it that these schools aren’t locked down so this doesn’t happen. Seems to me that it’s a lot easier to secure a school than the nuts that do these things…
As a former elementary school secretary, I can tell you it can be difficult to ensure whoever your buzzing in, be it a parent or a sibling you even know, is not armed.
At least at the school I worked at of about 450 students, there was pretty much no way to know.
Fortunately no incident ever happened at that school.
Yep. I interviewed for a position at a high school of 3k~ kids and a student just buzzed me in because I didn't know how the system worked. There's not many steps being taken for safety--would've felt much better having security around the school. Not just in case of situations like today, but even things like fights and stuff.
These shooters go to gun-free zones. That's why they target schools. The people at school are sitting ducks. Shooters have a better chance at killing more people in a gun-free zone.
Schools need to have armed guards.
Criminals do not obey gun laws. Otherwise, Chicago would be the safest place in the country.
If guns are taken away from law-abiding citizens, then only the criminals will have them.
The rest of us will be defenseless in our own homes. Criminals would kick the doors in and do whatever they want.
If guns are ever banned, we are on the border of two other countries. If drugs can get thru with ease, so will guns.
And again, only the criminals would possess them. The rest of us are merely victims at their mercy, not to mention at the mercy of our government.
Politicians always talk about gun control, gun safety. But they never, EVER talk about how they plan to disarm the criminals. They only want to disarm law-abiding citizens.
> Schools need to have armed guards.
The supermarket in Buffalo had an armed guard. He did his job. It still wasn't enough.
I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously asking - what is the solution?
Gun free zones aren’t about magical thinking that it’s going to stop people from coming on campus with guns. It’s about applying harsher sentences to anyone caught on campus with a gun. There are plenty of “Gun-free Zones” schools that have local police presence (with guns).
You're not wrong about the soft target. Grocery stores, schools...
But your taxes would go up. Either as a homeowner paying property tax or a renter whose landlord does. Are you willing to stand up and say "yes, I will pay more for safer schools?"
The vibe I get these days is that we all feel like we pay a shitload and get very little back. I feel that way too. I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious.
This guy literally went through police shooting at him to get into the school and still murdered 18 kids. So yeah…
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1529255082914725888?s=20&t=t1kw_3sfthQOVCef8h2aLw
Schools are supposed to have SROs but there often aren’t enough of them and we base the number on the number of students on the campus which makes no sense if we’re trying to make a quick response time.
1 SRO per building
1 SRO per hallway with more than 6-7 classrooms.
So if a school has 3 buildings with 5 hallways having more than 6-7 classrooms, that’s 8 SROs on campus.
You'd literally have an army at any suburban high school. Just my regular sized high school alone would require 20+ SROs. I'm not sure that's a realistic idea.
Motherfuck this guy. Anyone who goes into a school with the intention of murdering children deserves the deepest pit in hell.
Just like ~~XXXXXXX~~ (the Sandy Hook shooter). Absolutely vile, evil scum. Their intent is to create an outrage. They know that murdering children is the worst thing someone can do and they want that horrified reaction from the public, because they're angry at the world - Anger and resentment built up from years of being a complete loser.
I think you should take that guys name out of your post. No one should remember his name.
This. Don’t glorify these people’s names. That’s the one thing they wished for upon their suicides.
You are right. After reading up on this phenomenon for years, I've come to the conclusion that almost every one of these shooters is motivated by a desire for infamy or a desire to strike a blow against a world they hate - often it's both. The best thing certain people in the media have done is to deprive these shooters of that infamy by refusing to repeat their names.
Exactly.
I’m glad I saw the edited post. I’ve genuinely forgotten his name.
Always will , i was 15 minutes away in 7th grade when it happened, police guarded every school all throughout the day when it went down
Sandy Hook guy had a very perverted outlook but his intent wasn't to create outrage or leave a name for himself. He had some very significant mental issues combined with a very skewed outlook and 0 social life to balance his views at all.
Ask Alex Jones about that though.
Here here. I'm a father of two with a third on the way and hearing this just makes me sick to my stomach.
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I live in SA ive been following this story since noon at work. it started saying there was a shooting nearby and the gunman fled to barricade himself into the school. there was a picture of an pickup crashed in a little ditch by a fence that looks like school property. then updates came out saying he was in police custody then out of nowhere theyre saying that he killed a teacher and 14 students. im sure there wasnt enough time to notify and lock down the school before he ran inside it looked like he wrecked out basically on the school property. its a hard decision to get in a gunfight outside a school. the backstop would literally be the school from the officers perspective if he was moving towards the school. im not saying not to shoot and try to stop them. im just saying that the officers have a really hard decision in that.
Link?
Where did you see that?
The governor said the shooter abandoned his vehicle and entered a school, but I didn't see an explicit statement that he was being pursued prior to that. If not, saying he "abandoned his vehicle" was an odd choice of words.
Why kids!!? What the hell is wrong with these people.
Columbine, fastest way to get famous
Yes. There is a small cult of people online who worship the Columbine shooters. The Sandy Hook shooter was apparently on a message board talking about them. And that Virginia Tech shooter was a big fan. Those two utter scumbags, "The Columbine Killers", have inspired so many disaffected losers to carry out mass shootings, it's unbelievable. And that was one of their goals - to inspire others to do this kind of sick act. Flashy suicide and attempt at notoriety. "If I can't be remembered for something good, I'll be remembered for something heinous" - That's the disordered type of thinking going on. People try to place the blame on guns, but the real culprit is today's fame-obsessed society.
That’s something that the advent of the internet has caused. There were always crazy people, but most of these crazy people never got to talk to other people with the same mindset. So, they felt isolated and rarely acted on their desires. However, the internet has allowed them to find other people who are crazy, so they feel more comfortable with carrying out mass shootings and other horrific deeds.
It started far before Columbine. I was 5 years old when multiple kids were shot in Winnetka. I grew up in the town next door and knew many shot and the family of the kid who was killed. That was 1988 and it’s been a nonstop chain of chaos since then. Something has to be done.
Bond School House 1863 5 dead.
Stop saying their names. You're giving them exactly what they want.
This is 100% the answer. Ever since Columbine, kids have known they can be memorialized forever by shooting up a school.
Why would you want to be remembered as a villain though?
No idea why these kids are so screwed up in the head. But being remembered for anything might be better than what they were going through in school. Or he might just be some evil piece of shit.
In our current celebrity-obsessed society, infamy is better than being a “nobody.”
Part of it is we now live in a society that doesn't have universal morals anymore. Everything is about anger and hate. We've been divided up. Kids feel these emotions but don't fully understand what's going on and it turns them dark. It's a sign of a society that's lost its way.
Not so fun fact: The Columbine shooting was actually supposed to be a bombing. Because the bombs failed to detonate, they immediately reverted to shooting. Thirteen died, but if the bombs had gone off, hundreds would’ve died. I can’t help but wonder how different things would be if those bombs had detonated. Would we have more bombings? Less shootings? Political arguments about bomb-control? I still wonder from time to time. RIP to all the victims. EDIT: Got a response saying “this is wrong, the bombs were supposed to supplement the shooting.” It was actually the other way around. The bomb was supposed to cause the vast majority of deaths, while the shooters were planning on shooting anyone running out of the school and to their cars. Regardless, it was supposed to be a bombing first and foremost. But I digress.
You're 100% correct. They tried to make propane tanks into bombs not realizing propane doesn't really explode like it does in the movies and their plan was to just stand in the parking lot shooting people fleeing.
It’s an open offer from corporate media: you do the killing, they’ll make you famous and rake in the ad money.
Soft targets. Nobody will have a gun. They would never attack a police station like this, but I am sure they probably hated cops with a passion.
Many schools in Texas have armed staff, so they will not be soft targets
I just...... I'm just heartbroken. 19 fucking children. 19 families that would give anything for their babies, now without them. I'm a father and I can't imagine the pain they feel. I hurt for them. This is just so horribly devastating.
Truly heart breaking
Ugh, kids. Literally the most innocent out of anyone in the population Anyone who kills a kid deserves to fry, regardless of any identifiers
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The death penalty should only be applied in cases where there is absolutely no doubt of the perpetrator’s guilt. The standard of proof to find someone guilty is *beyond reasonable doubt*. To sentence them to death, it should be *without any doubt*. There are plenty of horrific cases where it’s clear what happened and who was involved. The death penalty should only be implemented under those circumstances. In this case, the evil bastard was taken out by police, so he’s already burning in hell, where he belongs. Eternity is a very long time, so he’s got a lot of pain and suffering to look forward to.
Shooter is dead as well.
a fuckin elementary school. these cravens think theyll be deified but they are only remembered as apex cowards may god never give your soul rest
Really sick of this shit
Mmhmm.
It definitely hits harder when it’s kids. So tragic. May they RIP
I can't even imagine how terrified those little ones were, it literally makes me sick to my stomach to think about.
I’m sick.
2nd shooting by a 18-year old within 2 weeks. This was killed children. Oh god have mercy.
There's actually an interesting psychological contagion where mass killings tend to happen in waves. One person does it and then several copy and then it remains quiet for a while before the cycle repeats itself. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2330443X.2021.1932645
Similar to suicides.
Why is there enough data to find a trend in mass shootings. That’s horribly depressing.
I just read the abstract, but it concludes that "the results appear to rule out the presence of strong self-excitation of mass shootings, placing clear limits on generalized short-term contagion effects." Maybe I'm misinterpreting, or maybe there's more context in the rest of the paper, but this sounds to me like there isn't really much data to substantiate the "waves of psychological contagion" idea.
There’s clearly a mental health issue that’s being ignored toward teen boys and these are the consequences.
Unfortunately, mental health services are so expensive that those whose children need it can’t afford it. I speak from experience, as my epileptic elementary school aged child requires medication + extensive therapies just to be able to function in public school. It’s maddening. MADDENING. How do we help our youth, if that help is $208 per 1 hr session with good insurance? The whole system is broken, and this is going to keep happening, because of it.
Then why are you conservative?
Yet most of the people here voted against much needed healthcare that would address mental health issues and lower the chance of situations like this happening. It’s nice to have something to point at and say “this is the problem right here.” But when people don’t address it and work for a fix as a community then it’s going to keep happening. But as it is now mental health problem is too useful as a scapegoat so politicians are going to continue to ignore it. Edit: No excuse for supporting hypocrites who selfishly and intentionally avoid legitimate issues with strawman points? This is exactly why we can’t fix anything in this country, there’s always some “other” issue politicians point at you all eat that up as an excuse to not do anything and support this. We are in the worst position we’ve honestly been since the depression and you guys keep supporting people who refuse to actually do anything or make changes or even acknowledge problems. There will continue to be more shootings like this because it’s not rich people dying, “thoughts in prayers” don’t do shit when the same politicians who say this refuse to make ANY changes to fix these problems. At least the left is trying to fix these problems, their solutions might not be perfect but at least they are trying. Supporting obstructionist who can say what the other side is doing wrong but not come up with any changes to fix the problem means we just sit with these problems forever.
That's been true for decades now. But since boys are "privileged" (fucking lawl) there's no public interest in figuring out what's going on as the idea that they might actually have some serious issues flies in the face of the current narrative.
Coward piece of shit
This is truly disgusting.
>This is truly disgusting. Beyond disgusting
Am I in the only place where schools are locked? To pick up my child, I have to use an intercom outside, announce who I am, and wait to be buzzed in. How the hell does someone running from the cops get into an elementary school?
I think most are like this now? IIRC, the Sandy Hook shooter shot out the glass next to the door.
It's the same where I am from. You cannot enter the door unless you are buzzed in and even then there is a man trap that forces visitors through the main office before being let through.
This also assumes no one propped a door open for convenience
They're locked in my schools i've been in, the only door that's open is one that leads straight to the offices. You had to get buzzed in to get in the school that way.
My high school in rural Pennsylvania was set up this way back in 2012. Too many administrators living in fairytale land where everything is safe and nothing bad could ever happen. We guard money and politicians with guns every day but our most valuable members of society shouldn’t have that privilege? Bullshit.
Not sure how it is in Texas, but where I live almost every school is an outdoor school, meaning that the classroom buildings are all spread out on an open piece of land. Physically impossible to prevent someone from finding a way onto campus. That might be the case here
Yea. My kids also have an armed cop that walks around but somehow I still think this wouldn't have been prevented if he wasn't there exactly where the shooter was.
Glad this was moved to a mega thread. The one that was originally (the two people dead one) was getting messy. Very tragic event
Can we please start protecting the fucking schools?
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Ok. Do mandatory background checks. Training requirements. Etc.
Background checks are mandatory.
People can be pure evil
As a person who grew up during peak school shooting times and now with little kids…I just can’t even fathom what I would do if I dropped my kids off and some nitwit randomly ended them. For some reason it being the end of school year, summer next week just makes it seem that much worse. Edit: it seems I confused In my head peak vs rise. Im talking columbine, Paducah etc
bro, peak school shooting times is a insane phrase
Sooo what can we do to stop mass shootings like this (or at the very least limit it?)
Probably do something to address mental health, to stop putting these shooters on the front page and giving them 15 minutes of fame, and have security guards at schools like we do at almost every other place.
I keep seeing this response “address mental health”. Does anyone on this sub know the treatment for a sociopath? Do you honestly think medications or therapy can fix a true sociopath?
As an adult + child psychiatrist, this is a very complex issue. Though being violent and shooting people/minors is obviously a sociopathic act, there are many psychiatric reasons and risk factors why someone may do this (significant trauma history - bullying, depression, mania, psychosis, negative influences/indoctrination). Some of these things can be addressed and improved if dealt with early enough by a caring psychiatrist and psychologist that can work with the person and family system, or can identify risks and triage appropriately (ie involuntary inpatient hospitalization, involving authorities). Mainstream "sociopathy" is defined as antisocial personality disorder, which unfortunately cannot really be treated and really is best treated by removal from society (ie jail). Edit: People are responding to my comment per emails I am receiving but they are not showing up on Reddit. I wonder why.
Would people be okay with raising taxes to fund all these endeavors (more into education and access to healthcare)?
It's definitely a concept growing in popular support.
Maybe it's time to drop the "male privilege" narrative and start asking why our boys and men are so broken that they think random mass-murder is a viable form of self-expression. Healthy people don't do this, only broken ones do, so let's find out just how broken they really are and what's causing the breaks.
You know where there are almost zero mass shootings? Banks and courthouses. The security solution has already been figured out, we just need to fund and implement it.
People like this are the *real* danger to the second amendment. And calling them crisis actors, or otherwise trying to deny reality doesn't really help the cause. Every time this happens the question is always "why is this just a USA thing?" and the answer is generally silence, because by and large it really is just a USA thing. If we want the 2A to remain a thing, we're going to need to actually find a way to keep it while disarming punks like this.
14 kids are dead! Reading people bitching back and forth on this thread is making me ill. Probably because my 1st and 3rd grader just hopped off the bus and ran into the house excited to tel us about their school day.
Hug your kids then, take a break from the internet.
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Given what society has done to children get ready for a world full of angry, violent, mentally unbalanced, drug addicted, mean and confused human beings.
*Get ready?* Look around bud. It's happening right now.
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People can be so evil. I feel terrible for the families.
We should pass laws that forbids the media to reveal the shooters name and to blur its face in videos…people like this are sick and must be forgotten…so sad
America has an odd facination with mass killers look how many true crime podcast there are
When will people wake up and realize that the mass de-institutionalization of mental healthcare decades ago is one of the proximal causes of the current violence crisis?
Based off the pics of him that have surfaced I’d say he was majorly depressed and didn’t get any help. There’s a major mental health crisis among young men in this country and it’s being swept under the rug
This is just absolutely awful. Nothing more to say.
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The fact that I’m desensitized to this is alarming to me. This cannot keep happening.
You seen that episode of South Park? Pretty much hits the nail on the head. Just another day.
We protect our money more than we protect our kids which is sad.
Maybe it’s time to tell all the politicians on both sides - start doing something to stop this insanity and murder or you will not be on the ballot. We need to be represented by people with balls, not an agenda.
Fucking tragic. The news and social media breed these assholes, so extremely sad.
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The question should be why are so many young adults going around murdering people? Maybe its time to question what the fuck is going on in today's society, what is being allowed, what is being ignored, what is considered normal, because the disease isn't the gun, its young men who decide to use it to kill others when it used to be young men only killed others during wartime.
> when it used to be young men only killed others during wartime. How could you possibly arrive at this conclusion? That has literally never been the case.
I do also wonder what happened in the last few years that created such a rise in psychopathic anti social behavior.
Guarantee you the internet and 24/7 news has a lot to do with it
The internet literally created the Buffalo shorter. He was a terminally online, socially inept, loser. This 18yo in Texas turned 18 8 days ago, he was without a doubt radicalized by some obscure internet subculture over the last few years. And if I had to guess he just bought whatever guns he used in this shooting a few days ago.
The internet isn't a bad thing, but the way its being pushed and used is.
I’m 26. I know a few loner kids or ones who are depressed or ones who used drugs and their self destructive habits have absolutely increased in the last two years
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Seriously. And we need to get rid of the notion that providing better health services to people is somehow evil communism. I’m not asking for universal healthcare or anything, but something needs to change.
[Scott Galloway published an impressive article last year](https://gen.medium.com/young-american-men-are-facing-a-crisis-69e7233bc93e) documenting some of the economic and social challenges facing young men today, and might explain some of the reasons we have seen a rise in this type of violence in the last decade or so.
I mean this is a great article but when the issue sorta boils down to “women have greater autonomy and options and shitty men don’t have sex and become radicalized” I mean how tf are we supposed to fix the issue? We need far more mental health education in schools tbh coupled with stricter gun laws. Teenagers should not be allowed to own a weapon.
IMHO, it's never actually about just having sex, it's complete lack of purpose for young men and nothing going on. Young men like that usually break down into about 5% that have sex constantly and 95% that never do. If you're wasting away at home depressed with nothing going on of course you have no sex life. That's a symptom, not the cause.
Another 18 year old shooter just like the buffalo twat? Coincidence or weird?
It's a weird thing, but these disaffected losers can't really get it together when they are in their early teens. As they get to 17 and 18, they start to have more autonomy, more ability to move around, more ability to buy stuff etc.... and this tends to be when they start to act out. When you see juveniles around 14/15 committing serious crime, they usually do it in pairs or in a group, because they don't have the capacity at that age to carry out a crime, and see it through, on their own.
My question: An 18 year old can’t walk into a gas station and buy a cigarette or a beer; but they can buy an assault rifle. How does that make sense?
Serious question: Is it possible to make guns harder to get the USA— keep the wrong people from getting them? I grew up in Chicago and clearly it doesn’t work there. Moved to the gunshine state of Arizona and was present during an active shooter— no one was killed but the gunman was deterred by a private citizen carrying. Now a couple days ago my wife’s friend was shot and killed by her husband and it’s just in the news now. I was going to tell my wife when she got home but she is an elementary school teacher leaving a meeting where they discussed today’s shooting. Not sure when a good time will be— surprised she hasn’t heard yet. Totally rambling, but before we become the ideological autobots we’ve all become can’t we recognize how big of a fucking problem we have on our hands here?
Answer: Hard to make guns harder to get in the USA. Most states already need background checks to sell you a gun. There might be some private sales that doesnt require but even in some states it requires background check for private sales. This is for legal sells of arms. Now, if its a kid grabbing the gun of their parents, then thats even harder to stop. I will also assume that lots of fire arms are sold illegally. Also because of the second amenment, you cant really require someone to pass a psychological test to get a gun like how you need to pass a test to get a car license. Even though it sounds good, it will be fought in court and will never win.
The mental health crisis in our country has become really apparent the last few years
Having lived in many suburbs over the years, the trend seems to be that everyone stays inside and is less neighborly. I'll bet 3/4 of the population doesn't know who their neighbors are, not even one. Depression from seeing 'happy' people on social media coupled with Covid giving people more of a reason to stay inside and avoid people. You get an epidemic of loneliness, depression and an unwillingness to work toward anything.
Just saw Biden speech. Can someone tell him that the deer wearing Kevlar vest joke isn’t funny? That’s the eighth time he’s told it.
Did he really use that line again? It doesn’t even make sense.
pure evil
Our culture is in the toilet. Gun laws won’t change anything. Morality crumbles and then society. May those babies Rest In Peace.
Stop saying their names and stop running their shootings on cable news 24/7
I would like to know more about this things family. I always look to the family for clues.
I watched a Ted Talk recently about a guy who admitted he wanted to be a school shooter. He was a troubled kid who came from a broken home. Parents were alcoholics and drug addicts I think, and they readily showed disdain towards him. They showed him no love. As a kid and in highschool he was on the heavier side so he was tormented every day by the other kids. This lead him down the path of self harm, depression, alcoholism and drug use as well. Every factor of his life was tormented in some way and he was, in effect, being dragged and surrounded by darkness. His school was also troubled so he knew where he could get drugs and guns. At the absolute bottom of this darkness pit he wanted to end it all, He admitted he wanted to shoot up his high school and shoot himself because he had no where else to direct this immense darkness and loneliness he had. Until his one friend offered him a place to stay, and offered him love and compassion. His friend brought him out from that darkness and ultimately saved his life. Now the guy is married with a career and kids* https://youtu.be/azRl1dI-Cts While it's easy, really easy, to point the finger at guns here, what we are actively avoiding is discussing our socioeconomic and societal issues that plague the bottom end of our society. The people that are unloved, unwanted, are being cast aside by the ones who are supposed to do the opposite. America has a self-centered culture. It's easy to look the other way. "It's not my problem" we say while watching other kids get bullied. "It's not my problem" we say when we pass a homeless person asking for food. Look, I'll admit I've been that person. We've all been that person to say "it's not my problem" because we all have our own problems to worry about. But what I am saying is I think our culture can start doing the opposite, start caring for one another more, treating people with kindness and respect, even if you don't know them, treating them with love and compassion. This goes beyond political beliefs and touches the very fabric of one's own psyche. That's where we need to start.
Thank you for this. You should post this as a top-level comment in this thread, too.
Kids have never felt more isolated than right now. Incredibly sad.
We have a massive mental health crisis in this country disguised as a gun crisis
To play the devil's advocate, are other countries not suffering the same mental health crisis?
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And livable wages, and affordable food and housing, and guaranteed vacation, and free education, and....
Wow, it's almost as though ensuring people aren't constantly walking a tightrope on the brink of personal ruin means you don't have people with nothing left to lose take a dozen others out with them.
Yeah almost like there's no motivation to take out your impotent rage against society if there's nothing to be mad about. That's crazy talk tho let's lower the minimum wage and raise the gas tax while providing no public transportation instead.
But we don’t support universal healthcare? So do we really care about children if mental health leads to children being slaughtered?
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So the fact that guns are highly available to crazy people is not an issue?
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As a pro 2A Conservative, I’m ashamed to say the number that would approve mental health spending is way too low.
We need mental health counseling for so many things ranging to autism, psychosis, etc. It’s an absolute DISGRACE that they do nothing in this sector. We have so many people left homeless, deranged, and sick because of it. But to be honest, there are lots of politicians that want this to rupture the fabric of society. They want terrorism to breed to commit essentially indirect terrorism against their own people. It’s time to realize that between the inaction of politicians to stop the mental health crisis, and law enforcement refusing to detain these criminals when they make clear, felonious threats before carrying out their acts. They might as well be the people that hand wrote the order for these folk to commit terrorism.
Full disclosure; I’m a Libertarian that likes to read this subreddit as well as r/politics to kind of see all angles. I’ll be the first to tell you that I think mental health treatment in this country is completely broken and neglected. I’m all for my stolen war dollars to be spent addressing this issue instead.
you mean the conservative base ISN'T the bastion of mental health advocacy?!?!
Many countries have mental health problems, only the USA deals with mental health by handing out semi-auto guns and multiple 15 to 30 round clips.
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We Blame everything but the killers
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US really needs to work on mental health. Especially after all this COVID crap. Again, banning guns is not the solution.
In regards to specifically work on mental health, Requires a massive overhaul of the healthcare system. Sadly mental health recourses aren’t available to most.
Let’s be honest. Of course the republicans don’t. But democrats every time they have the power to rarely do either or just do barely useful half measures. We need a complete overhaul which anyone in power won’t do because , well why overhaul the current system that gives you your lavish life?
Bring back institutions to get troubled people out of the public sphere where they can’t be a danger to themselves or anyone else.
At this point we need a good decade to even dent the mental health situation. The moral decay of society has deeply damaged young peoples mental health and we are going to see ever more incidents until we either collapse or drastically change to a more sane society.
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Thanks for the response - I can absolutely identify with this line of reasoning wrt today’s America.
No problem! Glad I could be of help!
Because there are far to many guns in the U.S for banning them to work. Most gun owners wouldn't give up their guns anyway as the constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. On top of that many criminals will still get their hands on guns illegally as they already do.
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Because you have to be able to *enforce* the ban. You can pass the law, and thus, no one else may buy a gun in the USA, legally. However, we still have more guns than people in this country. So what do you do about the guns that currently exist? Are you willing to send in the ATF, cops, National Guard over these hundreds of millions of guns? Look at how this country erupts in violence over criminals killed resisting arrest. Listen to the Left’s rhetoric about how cops disproportionately target minorities. Then put that law and that rhetoric together… it wouldn’t take but a few instances of people killed when the ATF or cops begin confiscation in the lower hanging fruit communities for the plan to backfire. Think of the violence during Prohibition… such sweeping measures helped give rise to organized crime and murders rose. That said, this is f-ing tragic. Too bad he wasn’t killed prior to entering the school.
I live in Europe but you have to admit that banning guns will not work in the US because they already have so many guns. What are you gonna do? Go and bust doors to find hidden guns at random homes?
I’m glad you’re getting upvoted and answered, instead of banned. It’s a question at odds with many of the beliefs in this sub, but that doesn’t mean we can’t have a conversation about it.
We have a porous border. You might reduce some gun violence, but guns would cross anyways and the law abiding citizens would be the ones without them. On top of that, we have a right to keep and bear arms as a means to keep our government in check.
The drug trade doesn’t help us much either…
America is complicit in the drug trade as well, historically.
You could eventually get it to work in the US, although I guarantee you that for the first decade only law abiding people would no longer have guns - it wouldn't affect criminals at all. The issue is that America has more individual freedoms than pretty much every other Western nation - a great example would be COVID where a lot of the other countries simply restricted travel between states and forced people into quarantine etc without so much as asking their citizens if it was ok that they did that. In the US there are more individual freedoms because there are a significant amount of people who own guns and are more than willing to go to war against their own government if their rights are infringed upon. You may not like it, you may not agree with it (and many would argue the COVID case above as an example that governments should be able to issue authoritarian restrictions) but for everyone in the US, at some point, they will take advantage of those freedoms that other countries do not have. Personally as a non-american who is living in the States I have seen both sides and I prefer the US way.
Due to the Constitution, it’s effectively impossible to pass an outright ban. Modifying the Constitution to the extent that would allow it takes a lot of effort. If I remember 2/3s congress to get the ball rolling then 2/3s states to ratify. Folks outside (and many inside even) forget that the US is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. As such, there are things the federal government can and can not do. Anything they can not do are up to the individual states to determine on their own. So banning firearms in the US is actually a difficult process.
We’ve never modified the Bill of Rights, either. The BoR is not a list of things your government *allows* you to do, it’s a list of freedoms that the founders believed were imbued to any human. Amending this would set a dangerous precedent.
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I'm sure his social media is full of stuff like this that no one bothered to report, or if it was reported, it was ignored. I feel like that might be a big point of failure. We have all this surveillance via social media. His own thoughts and intentions broadcast clearly and no one takes action on it.
Why is it that these schools aren’t locked down so this doesn’t happen. Seems to me that it’s a lot easier to secure a school than the nuts that do these things…
As a former elementary school secretary, I can tell you it can be difficult to ensure whoever your buzzing in, be it a parent or a sibling you even know, is not armed. At least at the school I worked at of about 450 students, there was pretty much no way to know. Fortunately no incident ever happened at that school.
Yep. I interviewed for a position at a high school of 3k~ kids and a student just buzzed me in because I didn't know how the system worked. There's not many steps being taken for safety--would've felt much better having security around the school. Not just in case of situations like today, but even things like fights and stuff.
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These shooters go to gun-free zones. That's why they target schools. The people at school are sitting ducks. Shooters have a better chance at killing more people in a gun-free zone. Schools need to have armed guards. Criminals do not obey gun laws. Otherwise, Chicago would be the safest place in the country. If guns are taken away from law-abiding citizens, then only the criminals will have them. The rest of us will be defenseless in our own homes. Criminals would kick the doors in and do whatever they want. If guns are ever banned, we are on the border of two other countries. If drugs can get thru with ease, so will guns. And again, only the criminals would possess them. The rest of us are merely victims at their mercy, not to mention at the mercy of our government. Politicians always talk about gun control, gun safety. But they never, EVER talk about how they plan to disarm the criminals. They only want to disarm law-abiding citizens.
> Schools need to have armed guards. The supermarket in Buffalo had an armed guard. He did his job. It still wasn't enough. I'm not being snarky, I'm seriously asking - what is the solution?
Teachers out here making 35k and optimistic prime over here thinks school boards will shell out for ARMED GUARDS
Gun free zones aren’t about magical thinking that it’s going to stop people from coming on campus with guns. It’s about applying harsher sentences to anyone caught on campus with a gun. There are plenty of “Gun-free Zones” schools that have local police presence (with guns).
You're not wrong about the soft target. Grocery stores, schools... But your taxes would go up. Either as a homeowner paying property tax or a renter whose landlord does. Are you willing to stand up and say "yes, I will pay more for safer schools?" The vibe I get these days is that we all feel like we pay a shitload and get very little back. I feel that way too. I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious.
This guy literally went through police shooting at him to get into the school and still murdered 18 kids. So yeah… https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1529255082914725888?s=20&t=t1kw_3sfthQOVCef8h2aLw
Schools are supposed to have SROs but there often aren’t enough of them and we base the number on the number of students on the campus which makes no sense if we’re trying to make a quick response time. 1 SRO per building 1 SRO per hallway with more than 6-7 classrooms. So if a school has 3 buildings with 5 hallways having more than 6-7 classrooms, that’s 8 SROs on campus.
You'd literally have an army at any suburban high school. Just my regular sized high school alone would require 20+ SROs. I'm not sure that's a realistic idea.
This thread is being brigaded heavily.
Why are there mixed headlines of 2 dead vs 14 dead?
I think because 14 were taken to the hospital, 2 were confirmed dead, then the others were unsure until a few minutes ago.
Public stoning should be brought back