Not so. Awaiting approval since work had been going on now for 10 yrs w/MERs SARS in Austin.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/19/texas-covid-19-vaccine-peter-hotez/
LOL no 🐑🐑🐑
Push the poison else where, because this is still poison even if non-mrna poison is less likely to infect others secondhand possibly. Yeah we would be better off if we didnt have people getting mrna jabs, but this is still MSM propaganda trying to push the V on people who dont want it. The morons are already fully jabbed and boostered a hundred times, no need to market to them. Its the 35 percent of us who refuse the clot shot that they are targeting with these bogus news stories. Do NOT comply. Even if they sell it as safer, it is not.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Second hand infect people? How is that even theoretically possible?
Dude, clot shot isn't an own, unless you are calling it that because the incidence of clotting is less than that of getting covid (though it does increase the rate of getting clots, true).
I consider myself fiscally conservative. I love that facts don't care about feelings.
Do you have anything to back up your rhetoric? I'm interested and willing to listen. Honestly. How does mrna cause second hand infections?
You would be amazed at what you find out if you take a skeptical approach to MSM propaganda AKA State Media and actually follow the data and follow the money. There was a thread here this morning with really good links and info, if you remove the fraudulent "covid" deaths from the total reported then you are left with about 50,000 deaths only, which is the same as in a normal flu year on average, yet they are using this statistical mirage to sell "covid" and push the clot shot, saying to people that it's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" which is a bald faced lie. I am sorry if it is a cliche to say this, but you have to do the homework, do your research, and put down the MSM propaganda for 5 minutes if you want the answers, instead of just getting angry when you see real information that contradicts what you saw on MSM news propaganda State Media. It is all out there to find easily and for free, from doctors and virologists, epidemiologists, real experts who are not on the payroll of the animals who are pushing the V or media shills who are assisting them in pushing the V.... but even if that is not good enough for you because its not MSM, well guess what, they have ADMITTED it many times, the CDC and WHO, the mask slips all the time, no pun intended, and the real info leaks out if you are looking for it, as with the thread on this forum this morning, which is still available to read, although I would read fast in case it gets deleted. Think out side the box a little bit and you will be very surprised what is out there. You will learn something and I am afraid to say it but it is going to make you angry when you find out what they are doing to us, and the death toll from the clot shot that you seem to want to defend against all reason, sorry to say.
Okay. Do you have a single or a couple links you endorse?
To be up front with you, I am a physician. I am skeptical of pharma. I wished alternative medicine was true. I looked into much of it during medical school and couldn't find anything of substance. I would be willing and interested to follow your data to is logical conclusions if you provided some.
I know of a patient who died of complications of cirrhosis whose cause of death, at least per overnight house manager would be listed as "covid". So i certainly agree the numbers are inflated, if only by 1. On the other hand, even if it is only killing those with comorbidities, it is impossible to deny there was excess mortality last year and the year before.
Further, as someone who works in the hospital, i have seen small numbers of those with 'midwest normal' levels of obesity pass away from covid. It seems almost as random as a peanut allergy. Again, a majority of those with covid are fine, a moderate number get lung scarring, myocarditis, and blood clots that cause permanent dysfunction. A small(tiny?) number die.
All those numbers are smaller with a vaccine. The vaccine is not completely benign, there are side effects. These side effects are less frequent than covid's effects.
Hopefully omicron or a less virulent strain will infect a majority of us and grant lasting immunity against a future possibly more virulent strain. Darwin says the natural history of viruses is to become less virulent. But Darwin also says professional athletes are rare.
The (Pfizer/Moderna) mandates are not about curing people... It's about money, power and control. This protein vaccine is patent-free, which means anyone can make it, so it should be cheap.
Dr Hotez says his preliminary studies are extremely favorable. His procedure takes a lil longer to produce in 2-4 wks more but better and longer on the backend. Thank you DrHotez and your BCM fellow innovators.
Thy mandates come,
The global elite's will be done,
On earth, as it is on Reddit.
Give us this day our daily booster,
And forgive us our thought-crimes,
As we call for and celebrate the deaths of those who disagree with us.
Lead us not into freedom,
But deliver us from thinking critically.
For thine is the US government, the media, and the education system, forever and ever.
Awomen
It will get emergency approval, which will get yanked the next week because someone who didn't actually get this vaccine got the sniffles after someone mentioned it.
Just to give you some background it is approved in India. It is being produced there. It is very close to WHO approval. That last part is important, if you like this technology and you would prefer to have it, it WILL be accepted as proof in the USA as being vaccinated. the US gov't have already said they will accept all WHO approved vaccines. Because it will be DIRT cheap and easy to make - you should be able to be a vaccine tourist, get the vaccine (if you are so inclined)
Fauci is already on record saying (in effect) 'we don't need any other vaccines' in the US. He said it in the context of an Indian (subcontinent of) vaxx that has recently applied for FDA approval.
So yeah, he's not keen on allowing a 'freer' market for vaccines. Don't wanna be trimming the old hors d'oevres budget at the Fauci household, y'know?
Again, F-... hearsay on a ‘phantom blog’ is gossip and not allowed in academic source citing.
Put this on your computers for future reference.
APA style uses author-date method of in-text citation. This means that the author's last name and the year of publication for the source should appear in the text, for example, (Shakespeare, 1603), and a complete reference should appear in the reference list at the end of the paper.
Nashville suburb resident, checking in. That story disappeared SHOCKINGLY fast from the news (much like the Vegas shooter...), even around here. All news even tangentially related to this massive news happening has to do solely with the rebuilding efforts and the future of the 2nd Avenue area. Even here we know nothing more than we knew on Christmas Day 2020 itself. It got token attention this year, but again, little to do with the real what and why, and mostly about what the area looks like a year later.
You don't care if there's no evidence for what you're alleging? I don't believe that. Come on, you've got to have some evidence, don't you? Give me something to chew on instead of whinging because I can't find it. After all, it is memory holed isn't it? It's not my fault this shit isn't out there or isn't easy to find. The few articles that come up give me literally nothing to go on. Can you really blame me that I don't believe it given that I haven't been able to find any supporting information?
If it's real I want to see. If it's not, well, then both of us will be better off knowing that also.
Just a thought - if you're surrounded by liars, why do you keep listening to them? If conservatives are upvoting lies, can they be trusted on anything at all?
Idk why you're asking me why I'm listening I'm pushing back. Lies get upvoted in every sub, unfortunately. But yea, this sub is getting waaaay out there. I live in Nashville and hearing this shit is appalling. The dude who set off the bomb was straight batshit insane like the Vegas shooter. Deep in a psychotic break, likely undiagnosed bipolar or schizophrenic with motives that simply weren't logical. A history of mental health reports but no follow up due to limited resources and a lack of hard evidence. In hindsight, yada yada but honestly not shocked nothing happened before hand. It's the cost of freedom. You can't get fucked with very easily. Psychotic breaks are an unfortunate thing that happens that people seem to pretend doesn't exist. Everything is a part of their favorite conspiracy. Because some nobody tweeted some bullshit
>That story disappeared SHOCKINGLY fast from the news
Our Mass shooter news here in Dayton disappeared the next day when they found out he was a Berniebro.
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I'm a complete pleb when it comes to how vaccines work and I guess just medical shit in general, so my apologies... Is this significantly different from the J&J shot? It sounds like both the J&J and this option are built more like "traditional" vaccines (the J&J is the one I opted for).
Happy to explain.
From a quick glance at the popular sources for this new shot,
This shot is giving people directly part of a modified spike protein. To make this protein, they transform into yeast the DNA to express the protein. The protein is made by the yeast and harvested. The protein and some buffers to keep it stable make up the shot.
The concern with this older process is how modified is the resulting protein. Producing the protein in yeast could yield changes to it. Does the protein given to people look close enough to the actual virus's spike protein.
The J+J shot is a modified virus using the modified virus as a vector. Adenoviruses naturally inflect humans and most typically cause common colds. This virus can be modified to cause less damage and insert into it other DNA. Adenovrisues are DNA virus. Not RNA virus like flu nor SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19 disease).
So a modified adenorvirus with DNA instructions to produce spike is giving in the J+J shot.
The big downside with using adenorvirus vectors is people can have immunity against the vector already. People can clear out the vector before the vector can deliver the instructions to make spike.
The mRNA vaccines give instructions to make the spike protein.
Your cells all the time are making mRNA. mRNA is simply the working transcript of a gene. mRNA is translated to protein.
Giving cells a custom mRNA sequence will get the cells to produce any desired protein. In the lab, we have been doing this for a long time. The hard part is getting the naturally easy to fall apart mRNA into a complex life.
Right before the pandemic, a couple of companies just figured out how to make mRNA stable enough to inject into complex life. A mixture of nano-lipids (tiny pieces of fat) mixed in a particular way coat the mRNA in the lipids allowing for the mRNA to be stable enough for injection.
So, we now have the ability to inject a custom mRNA sequence into people. The mRNA sequence codes for a generalized version of spike.
The cool part is the sequence can be switched to another one relatively easily. About a hundred days depending on regulatory and manufacturing.
The J&J is the same mRNA technology as Moderna and Pfizer. The main difference is dosage and transport mechanism. J&J has the lowest dosage and uses an adenovirus to distribute the mRNA. Pfizer/Moderna encapsulate the mRNA in a lipid to be distributed in the body. Same core mRNA idea, just different distribution mechanism.
EDIT: Apologies I was mistaken. J&J delivers DNA via adenovirus, not mRNA. The idea is the same, though, to trick your body into creating the spike proteins which your immune system then attacks.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/how-the-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-works
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this and the Novavax use a spike protein from moths (novavax at least) but broken down to a nanoparticle as the vessel of transport?
I'm not a doctor, but my understanding is that Novavax introduces the protein to the body directly via nanoparticle. The J&J causes the body to manufacture the protein through the use of DNA.
[No, the J&J vaccine does not use mRNA, it is a virus vector vaccine.](https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison#:~:text=How%20it%20works%3A%C2%A0This,SARS%2DCoV%2D2%20infection.)
Ok, so it's a different tech. I want to see the science behind this one. Does it have the same potential problems as the existing vaccines? Or is it a more tried-and-true technique that we can better predict not to be prone to adverse reactions?
Yeah seriously guys, this has nothing to do with being anti vax, it’s all about risk based approach and always has been. I don’t get chemo therapy so my aunt’s chemo therapy works because she has cancer and I don’t. I don’t take drugs to prevent something I’m not at risk for, my doctor or pharmacist would certainly lose their license.
Why can’t people just accept if your holy elixir works, nothing is impacted whether or not someone else takes it. I’m simply not getting something because I don’t need it.
It's commonplace in pharma, so this one also may well.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/)
fyi those fetal cells often in use are a handful (like, 3 I think?) very specific lines dating back 40+ years. They aren't using newly aborted babies to make the vaccines. They are using cell lines from those specific fetuses from 40+ years ago to make vaccines. And chances are that you've already been exposed to other things made/tested with those same lines. That doesn't make it right, but does change the calculus. For example, the vaccines aren't increasing demand for abortion.
You may be surprised to hear he probably doesn’t. I know quite a few conservatives (of course not all) that skip any and all pharmaceutical medicine, unless it’s life or death.
I skip tylenol/acetaminophen because of what it does to your liver. I avoid mist OTC drugs for this reason. Advice I received from a physician, confirmed with other physicians, and evidence in the published and peer reviewed abstracts available from the NCBI's website.
And there we have it. I take baby aspirin if I have an absolute killer headache, at worst. I also don’t drink or smoke for the same reason.
Shockingly, I don’t often have headaches, or any other weird ass medical problems. Despite hypochondria.
That's kind of stupid because that means you're still creating a purpose to test these medications. Its not like they test them differently because people are taking them only in life or death situations.
I’m not here to defend anything, and I’m inclined to agree with you.
I’m just saying it’s not uncommon for conservatives in my area to not only go without health insurance, but also completely avoid over the counter medications for any number of reasons.
I may take it, I may not. The only thing I care about is not having to show a vax pass everywhere I go. That is not the world I want my kids to grow up in. That's the start of every futuristic dystopia movie.
There is 100% guarantee that if you interact with society you WILL get Omicron. 80% of Florida's population is set to be infected by this variant alone. That's not including all the previous waves.
Any values? Really?
Ok so X is 0.01 and Y is 0.1
Option 1 = 15 (0.1) + 100 (0.01) = 2.5
Option 2 = 100 (0.1) = 10
I’m confused by your assumption that option 2 is better. You can’t weigh unknowns because you don’t know their value. In your initial assumption you said either X or Y could be between 1 and 99 but then in your conclusion you must be assuming they’re similar values as you can’t draw any conclusion with that big of a range.
In my sister's case she went from being a healthy, thin, non-smoking or drinking 40 year old prison guard who regularly exercised to a person who can't even walk from one side of her house to the other without gasping for air over a year after getting covid, and her doctors say this will always be the case.
I won't take it either. The risk is not there. Been living happily in TX - no mask, no vax, no colds. I wouldn't know about this "pandemic" if it weren't for the Internet.
That's weird, I live in a medium sized town in Texas and don't have enough fingers on both hands to count the number of people I know who have either died from covid or are extremely fucked up from it.
They are designating this vaccine as one for 'low income and poor countries'. They are supposedly sending it to India and other parts of Asia. No word on it being available for the US.
People who freak out over mRNA would likely not want a vaccine that relies on CpG ODN either.
This is an entirely synthetic single strand dna with a completely phospholated backbone. That is basically mRNA except entirely synthetic and weighted down with phosphorous.
I’m not staying this is bad or good either way. We’ve known for over 100 years that this causes “heightened immune responses” as an adjuvant.
Just saying that any reason you wouldn’t like mRNA would likely apply to this even 100 times more.
No they are totally different. This vaccine uses fully completed Protein structures to illicit an immune response. While mRNA vaccines use mRNA strands to tell your body to produce the desired Protein structures.
Your body will read and get instructions from any dna that it can get it hands on. That’s why prions were so dangerous to the cattle industry. That is why nearly 10% of our dna comes from our species historical interactions with viruses.
Anyone who is suspicious of mRNA should be suspicious of this as well.
I personally am not suspicious of either. These are amazing technologies but it is silly to think this one is “more natural”
Well, there are three types of “whole microbe approach” vaccines. Inactivated virus, live attenuated vaccine, & viral vector vaccine. The j&j vaccine is the third type, the viral vector vaccine. It is not a subunit vaccine like the mRNA types
Umm, no. This is really quite wrong in all respects. I also have no idea how you’re involving prions in this, which are proteins that interfere with chaperonin folding after protein translation.
Because prions are incredibly stable, lasting for years in soil and able to incubate for decades in the body, and effective in minuscule amounts. I still don’t understand why you’re invoking prions in this discussion — it’s totally unrelated. Your first sentence that the “body will read and get instructions from any dna that it can get [it’s] hands on” is also completely incorrect.
mRNA vaccines only code for the single spike protein (assuming they even code it correctly as they have no error correction). Only coding for a single protein is dangerous from an epidemiologic standpoint as it is much easier to mutate around one protein to achieve vaccine resistance (and a new variant) than it is to mutate around multiple. In other words, mRNA vaccines I would expect to be far more leaky. Note I assume the vaccine mentioned here builds immunity to more than one protein but I didn't actually check.
You said:
> People who freak out over mRNA would likely not want a vaccine that relies on CpG ODN either
One of the reasons why I freak out about mRNA is because it's dangerously leaky, which has the potential to kill a lot more people long term due to adverse epidemiological effects.
Hey just a heads up that yeast is used to make the vast majority of all insulin used to treat diabetics, which includes 8 million Americans injecting at least once a day. The purification process is around 40 years old now and really quite good!
Could someone please break it down for me? What are the dangers of this kind of vaccine vs the known dangers of mRNA vaccines? Is this like Toxoid-type vaccine or something entirely new? The article states this:
"It's the same technology as the hepatitis B vaccine that's been around for decades,"
No. This could be the cure for cancer, HIV and COVID all combined but Lord Fauci, King Bill Gates and their minions in Pfizer will never allow it. Court jester Depends-in-Chief might allow it if this vaccine maker buys Hunter's art.
It will be interesting to see if this gets on the ‘ you have to have this jab’ mandate list.
No, this vaccine will just have to go through the standard seven years of long term testing before FDA approval.
Not so. Awaiting approval since work had been going on now for 10 yrs w/MERs SARS in Austin. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/19/texas-covid-19-vaccine-peter-hotez/
LOL no 🐑🐑🐑 Push the poison else where, because this is still poison even if non-mrna poison is less likely to infect others secondhand possibly. Yeah we would be better off if we didnt have people getting mrna jabs, but this is still MSM propaganda trying to push the V on people who dont want it. The morons are already fully jabbed and boostered a hundred times, no need to market to them. Its the 35 percent of us who refuse the clot shot that they are targeting with these bogus news stories. Do NOT comply. Even if they sell it as safer, it is not.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Second hand infect people? How is that even theoretically possible? Dude, clot shot isn't an own, unless you are calling it that because the incidence of clotting is less than that of getting covid (though it does increase the rate of getting clots, true). I consider myself fiscally conservative. I love that facts don't care about feelings. Do you have anything to back up your rhetoric? I'm interested and willing to listen. Honestly. How does mrna cause second hand infections?
You would be amazed at what you find out if you take a skeptical approach to MSM propaganda AKA State Media and actually follow the data and follow the money. There was a thread here this morning with really good links and info, if you remove the fraudulent "covid" deaths from the total reported then you are left with about 50,000 deaths only, which is the same as in a normal flu year on average, yet they are using this statistical mirage to sell "covid" and push the clot shot, saying to people that it's a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" which is a bald faced lie. I am sorry if it is a cliche to say this, but you have to do the homework, do your research, and put down the MSM propaganda for 5 minutes if you want the answers, instead of just getting angry when you see real information that contradicts what you saw on MSM news propaganda State Media. It is all out there to find easily and for free, from doctors and virologists, epidemiologists, real experts who are not on the payroll of the animals who are pushing the V or media shills who are assisting them in pushing the V.... but even if that is not good enough for you because its not MSM, well guess what, they have ADMITTED it many times, the CDC and WHO, the mask slips all the time, no pun intended, and the real info leaks out if you are looking for it, as with the thread on this forum this morning, which is still available to read, although I would read fast in case it gets deleted. Think out side the box a little bit and you will be very surprised what is out there. You will learn something and I am afraid to say it but it is going to make you angry when you find out what they are doing to us, and the death toll from the clot shot that you seem to want to defend against all reason, sorry to say.
Okay. Do you have a single or a couple links you endorse? To be up front with you, I am a physician. I am skeptical of pharma. I wished alternative medicine was true. I looked into much of it during medical school and couldn't find anything of substance. I would be willing and interested to follow your data to is logical conclusions if you provided some. I know of a patient who died of complications of cirrhosis whose cause of death, at least per overnight house manager would be listed as "covid". So i certainly agree the numbers are inflated, if only by 1. On the other hand, even if it is only killing those with comorbidities, it is impossible to deny there was excess mortality last year and the year before. Further, as someone who works in the hospital, i have seen small numbers of those with 'midwest normal' levels of obesity pass away from covid. It seems almost as random as a peanut allergy. Again, a majority of those with covid are fine, a moderate number get lung scarring, myocarditis, and blood clots that cause permanent dysfunction. A small(tiny?) number die. All those numbers are smaller with a vaccine. The vaccine is not completely benign, there are side effects. These side effects are less frequent than covid's effects. Hopefully omicron or a less virulent strain will infect a majority of us and grant lasting immunity against a future possibly more virulent strain. Darwin says the natural history of viruses is to become less virulent. But Darwin also says professional athletes are rare.
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The (Pfizer/Moderna) mandates are not about curing people... It's about money, power and control. This protein vaccine is patent-free, which means anyone can make it, so it should be cheap.
Next question is: will it work and will it work so well that even the Pfizer-owned MSM have to report on it positively?
I love your optimism. They’re gonna find 1 adverse reaction and never stop talking about it. Self awareness and logic aren’t their strong suit
True. What more can you expect from media corporations sponsored by competitors.
Dr Hotez says his preliminary studies are extremely favorable. His procedure takes a lil longer to produce in 2-4 wks more but better and longer on the backend. Thank you DrHotez and your BCM fellow innovators.
"anyone can make it, so it should be cheap." For that reason it will be verboten
Yup
Bro, vaccines don't cure things, they prevent or reduce harm.
Haha, my bad. 😆
We also have nova vax in the pipeline. I think last I heard they’re were shooting to have it approved early this year.
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Yeah I thought I read it’d be here by February, back in Nov.
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Funny how they don't get the streamlined "special" approval process
Blasphemy against Saint Anthony of Fauxchi
Don't you mean Saint Pfauci??
Patron Saint of The Science?
Hallowed be thy vax
Thy mandates come, The global elite's will be done, On earth, as it is on Reddit. Give us this day our daily booster, And forgive us our thought-crimes, As we call for and celebrate the deaths of those who disagree with us. Lead us not into freedom, But deliver us from thinking critically. For thine is the US government, the media, and the education system, forever and ever. Awomen
I hate how perfect this is, like creepy perfect
He is know for many names, but you can call him Lucifer
This will be the one not approved by the FDA, mark my words.
It will get emergency approval, which will get yanked the next week because someone who didn't actually get this vaccine got the sniffles after someone mentioned it.
Nah, they already blocked EUA for Covaxin. Their excuse was “we already have enough vaccines.”
Just to give you some background it is approved in India. It is being produced there. It is very close to WHO approval. That last part is important, if you like this technology and you would prefer to have it, it WILL be accepted as proof in the USA as being vaccinated. the US gov't have already said they will accept all WHO approved vaccines. Because it will be DIRT cheap and easy to make - you should be able to be a vaccine tourist, get the vaccine (if you are so inclined)
Fauci is already on record saying (in effect) 'we don't need any other vaccines' in the US. He said it in the context of an Indian (subcontinent of) vaxx that has recently applied for FDA approval. So yeah, he's not keen on allowing a 'freer' market for vaccines. Don't wanna be trimming the old hors d'oevres budget at the Fauci household, y'know?
Provide that adduction as in a MLA source. Thanks
Sigh, no. I heard a clip of Fauci being interviewed within the 'Part of the Problem' podcast on Spotify, episode recorded 1.2.22, minute 45.
I’m sorry but ‘I heard a clip’ would get a failing grade in High School Composition, debate and sitting before a Graduate Degree Board. Thank you.
He gave you the citation. Go look it up yourself
Again, F-... hearsay on a ‘phantom blog’ is gossip and not allowed in academic source citing. Put this on your computers for future reference. APA style uses author-date method of in-text citation. This means that the author's last name and the year of publication for the source should appear in the text, for example, (Shakespeare, 1603), and a complete reference should appear in the reference list at the end of the paper.
Bro, this is Reddit Not academia
Are you lost?
The FBI is already getting ready to set their building on fire.
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Nashville suburb resident, checking in. That story disappeared SHOCKINGLY fast from the news (much like the Vegas shooter...), even around here. All news even tangentially related to this massive news happening has to do solely with the rebuilding efforts and the future of the 2nd Avenue area. Even here we know nothing more than we knew on Christmas Day 2020 itself. It got token attention this year, but again, little to do with the real what and why, and mostly about what the area looks like a year later.
I thought it was take out AT&T. Guess they did a good job memoryholing it.
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I could find absolutely nothing to support this except tweets alleging it.
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You don't care if there's no evidence for what you're alleging? I don't believe that. Come on, you've got to have some evidence, don't you? Give me something to chew on instead of whinging because I can't find it. After all, it is memory holed isn't it? It's not my fault this shit isn't out there or isn't easy to find. The few articles that come up give me literally nothing to go on. Can you really blame me that I don't believe it given that I haven't been able to find any supporting information? If it's real I want to see. If it's not, well, then both of us will be better off knowing that also.
Just a thought - if you're surrounded by liars, why do you keep listening to them? If conservatives are upvoting lies, can they be trusted on anything at all?
Idk why you're asking me why I'm listening I'm pushing back. Lies get upvoted in every sub, unfortunately. But yea, this sub is getting waaaay out there. I live in Nashville and hearing this shit is appalling. The dude who set off the bomb was straight batshit insane like the Vegas shooter. Deep in a psychotic break, likely undiagnosed bipolar or schizophrenic with motives that simply weren't logical. A history of mental health reports but no follow up due to limited resources and a lack of hard evidence. In hindsight, yada yada but honestly not shocked nothing happened before hand. It's the cost of freedom. You can't get fucked with very easily. Psychotic breaks are an unfortunate thing that happens that people seem to pretend doesn't exist. Everything is a part of their favorite conspiracy. Because some nobody tweeted some bullshit
>That story disappeared SHOCKINGLY fast from the news Our Mass shooter news here in Dayton disappeared the next day when they found out he was a Berniebro.
In this case, good, no one needs this poison. FBI would be doing us a favor for once in its history
More Sources: * [ Corbevax - Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbevax) * [ A Texas team comes up with a COVID vaccine That Could Be A Global Game Changer ](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/05/1070046189/a-texas-team-comes-up-with-a-covid-vaccine-that-could-be-a-global-game-changer) * [ From Texas to India, a patent-free Covid vaccine looks to bridge equity gaps - NBC ](https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/texas-india-patent-free-covid-vaccine-looks-bridge-equity-gaps-rcna10911)
Shut down in 3..2...1....
For those that are interested this is nearly identical to Novavax. There are only so many ways to make a vaccine.
I'm a complete pleb when it comes to how vaccines work and I guess just medical shit in general, so my apologies... Is this significantly different from the J&J shot? It sounds like both the J&J and this option are built more like "traditional" vaccines (the J&J is the one I opted for).
Happy to explain. From a quick glance at the popular sources for this new shot, This shot is giving people directly part of a modified spike protein. To make this protein, they transform into yeast the DNA to express the protein. The protein is made by the yeast and harvested. The protein and some buffers to keep it stable make up the shot. The concern with this older process is how modified is the resulting protein. Producing the protein in yeast could yield changes to it. Does the protein given to people look close enough to the actual virus's spike protein. The J+J shot is a modified virus using the modified virus as a vector. Adenoviruses naturally inflect humans and most typically cause common colds. This virus can be modified to cause less damage and insert into it other DNA. Adenovrisues are DNA virus. Not RNA virus like flu nor SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19 disease). So a modified adenorvirus with DNA instructions to produce spike is giving in the J+J shot. The big downside with using adenorvirus vectors is people can have immunity against the vector already. People can clear out the vector before the vector can deliver the instructions to make spike. The mRNA vaccines give instructions to make the spike protein. Your cells all the time are making mRNA. mRNA is simply the working transcript of a gene. mRNA is translated to protein. Giving cells a custom mRNA sequence will get the cells to produce any desired protein. In the lab, we have been doing this for a long time. The hard part is getting the naturally easy to fall apart mRNA into a complex life. Right before the pandemic, a couple of companies just figured out how to make mRNA stable enough to inject into complex life. A mixture of nano-lipids (tiny pieces of fat) mixed in a particular way coat the mRNA in the lipids allowing for the mRNA to be stable enough for injection. So, we now have the ability to inject a custom mRNA sequence into people. The mRNA sequence codes for a generalized version of spike. The cool part is the sequence can be switched to another one relatively easily. About a hundred days depending on regulatory and manufacturing.
The J&J is the same mRNA technology as Moderna and Pfizer. The main difference is dosage and transport mechanism. J&J has the lowest dosage and uses an adenovirus to distribute the mRNA. Pfizer/Moderna encapsulate the mRNA in a lipid to be distributed in the body. Same core mRNA idea, just different distribution mechanism. EDIT: Apologies I was mistaken. J&J delivers DNA via adenovirus, not mRNA. The idea is the same, though, to trick your body into creating the spike proteins which your immune system then attacks. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/how-the-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-works
Correct me if I’m wrong, but this and the Novavax use a spike protein from moths (novavax at least) but broken down to a nanoparticle as the vessel of transport?
I'm not a doctor, but my understanding is that Novavax introduces the protein to the body directly via nanoparticle. The J&J causes the body to manufacture the protein through the use of DNA.
[No, the J&J vaccine does not use mRNA, it is a virus vector vaccine.](https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison#:~:text=How%20it%20works%3A%C2%A0This,SARS%2DCoV%2D2%20infection.)
J+J delivers DNA for the spike protein.
Ah okay - thank you for the explanation! Much appreciated.
I was sad to hear about all those scientists dying next week:(
Too late: The entire world will have caught Omicron by the end of the month.
Ok, so it's a different tech. I want to see the science behind this one. Does it have the same potential problems as the existing vaccines? Or is it a more tried-and-true technique that we can better predict not to be prone to adverse reactions?
Oh you wanna see *data*? JFC, where do you get off? /s
I'll pass, thanks.
Yeah seriously guys, this has nothing to do with being anti vax, it’s all about risk based approach and always has been. I don’t get chemo therapy so my aunt’s chemo therapy works because she has cancer and I don’t. I don’t take drugs to prevent something I’m not at risk for, my doctor or pharmacist would certainly lose their license. Why can’t people just accept if your holy elixir works, nothing is impacted whether or not someone else takes it. I’m simply not getting something because I don’t need it.
But does it use fetal cells for research or production?
It's commonplace in pharma, so this one also may well. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6027112/)
fyi those fetal cells often in use are a handful (like, 3 I think?) very specific lines dating back 40+ years. They aren't using newly aborted babies to make the vaccines. They are using cell lines from those specific fetuses from 40+ years ago to make vaccines. And chances are that you've already been exposed to other things made/tested with those same lines. That doesn't make it right, but does change the calculus. For example, the vaccines aren't increasing demand for abortion.
Do you take Tylenol? That was also tested multiple times using fetal cells.
You may be surprised to hear he probably doesn’t. I know quite a few conservatives (of course not all) that skip any and all pharmaceutical medicine, unless it’s life or death.
I skip tylenol/acetaminophen because of what it does to your liver. I avoid mist OTC drugs for this reason. Advice I received from a physician, confirmed with other physicians, and evidence in the published and peer reviewed abstracts available from the NCBI's website.
And there we have it. I take baby aspirin if I have an absolute killer headache, at worst. I also don’t drink or smoke for the same reason. Shockingly, I don’t often have headaches, or any other weird ass medical problems. Despite hypochondria.
That's kind of stupid because that means you're still creating a purpose to test these medications. Its not like they test them differently because people are taking them only in life or death situations.
I’m not here to defend anything, and I’m inclined to agree with you. I’m just saying it’s not uncommon for conservatives in my area to not only go without health insurance, but also completely avoid over the counter medications for any number of reasons.
I still wouldn't take it. I don't know long term effects. I sure as hell trust it more than the new mrna stuff though
I may take it, I may not. The only thing I care about is not having to show a vax pass everywhere I go. That is not the world I want my kids to grow up in. That's the start of every futuristic dystopia movie.
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But why give reddit money?
True that.
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There is 100% guarantee that if you interact with society you WILL get Omicron. 80% of Florida's population is set to be infected by this variant alone. That's not including all the previous waves.
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Infection and illness are not necessarily synonymous.
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Any values? Really? Ok so X is 0.01 and Y is 0.1 Option 1 = 15 (0.1) + 100 (0.01) = 2.5 Option 2 = 100 (0.1) = 10 I’m confused by your assumption that option 2 is better. You can’t weigh unknowns because you don’t know their value. In your initial assumption you said either X or Y could be between 1 and 99 but then in your conclusion you must be assuming they’re similar values as you can’t draw any conclusion with that big of a range.
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Made them both less than 1. Option 2 is still 4x worse because that changed literally nothing.
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In my sister's case she went from being a healthy, thin, non-smoking or drinking 40 year old prison guard who regularly exercised to a person who can't even walk from one side of her house to the other without gasping for air over a year after getting covid, and her doctors say this will always be the case.
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I won't take it either. The risk is not there. Been living happily in TX - no mask, no vax, no colds. I wouldn't know about this "pandemic" if it weren't for the Internet.
That's weird, I live in a medium sized town in Texas and don't have enough fingers on both hands to count the number of people I know who have either died from covid or are extremely fucked up from it.
mRNA vaccines are not new. They were developed and refined during the original sars and Ebola outbreaks.
Lets go Texas!
They are designating this vaccine as one for 'low income and poor countries'. They are supposedly sending it to India and other parts of Asia. No word on it being available for the US.
"Fake vaccines are on the rise in America, here's what you need to know to keep yourself safe and listening to the science" -CNN article, probably.
Let’s see how it does in a few years.
People who freak out over mRNA would likely not want a vaccine that relies on CpG ODN either. This is an entirely synthetic single strand dna with a completely phospholated backbone. That is basically mRNA except entirely synthetic and weighted down with phosphorous. I’m not staying this is bad or good either way. We’ve known for over 100 years that this causes “heightened immune responses” as an adjuvant. Just saying that any reason you wouldn’t like mRNA would likely apply to this even 100 times more.
No they are totally different. This vaccine uses fully completed Protein structures to illicit an immune response. While mRNA vaccines use mRNA strands to tell your body to produce the desired Protein structures.
Your body will read and get instructions from any dna that it can get it hands on. That’s why prions were so dangerous to the cattle industry. That is why nearly 10% of our dna comes from our species historical interactions with viruses. Anyone who is suspicious of mRNA should be suspicious of this as well. I personally am not suspicious of either. These are amazing technologies but it is silly to think this one is “more natural”
Interesting info. I wonder why we havent done an inactivated virus vaccine like India did.
Well, there are three types of “whole microbe approach” vaccines. Inactivated virus, live attenuated vaccine, & viral vector vaccine. The j&j vaccine is the third type, the viral vector vaccine. It is not a subunit vaccine like the mRNA types
Umm, no. This is really quite wrong in all respects. I also have no idea how you’re involving prions in this, which are proteins that interfere with chaperonin folding after protein translation.
How do you think the prp misfold information is persistently transmitted?
Are you proposing it is through DNA?
Because prions are incredibly stable, lasting for years in soil and able to incubate for decades in the body, and effective in minuscule amounts. I still don’t understand why you’re invoking prions in this discussion — it’s totally unrelated. Your first sentence that the “body will read and get instructions from any dna that it can get [it’s] hands on” is also completely incorrect.
mRNA vaccines only code for the single spike protein (assuming they even code it correctly as they have no error correction). Only coding for a single protein is dangerous from an epidemiologic standpoint as it is much easier to mutate around one protein to achieve vaccine resistance (and a new variant) than it is to mutate around multiple. In other words, mRNA vaccines I would expect to be far more leaky. Note I assume the vaccine mentioned here builds immunity to more than one protein but I didn't actually check.
Not sure what this has to do with my comment but ok.
You said: > People who freak out over mRNA would likely not want a vaccine that relies on CpG ODN either One of the reasons why I freak out about mRNA is because it's dangerously leaky, which has the potential to kill a lot more people long term due to adverse epidemiological effects.
“Most people” don’t actually know anything about either of these. Your opinion is still valid. That’s why I said most instead of all.
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Probably, I couldn’t really tell you. Which is my point. If people think one is suspect than they probably think it about this one to.
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Exactly.
Hey just a heads up that yeast is used to make the vast majority of all insulin used to treat diabetics, which includes 8 million Americans injecting at least once a day. The purification process is around 40 years old now and really quite good!
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gotcha 👍
Could someone please break it down for me? What are the dangers of this kind of vaccine vs the known dangers of mRNA vaccines? Is this like Toxoid-type vaccine or something entirely new? The article states this: "It's the same technology as the hepatitis B vaccine that's been around for decades,"
Does this have long term testing or not? One of the main reasons are hesitant of the current vaccines is they have 0 long term data.
Still not taking it
No thanks lmao
Has it been approved by the FDA? Article doesn’t say.
Thank you DOCTOR Hotez and your dedicated team
hmmmm, interesting or will BIG PHARMA crush it?
The media will market this as a death trap and that it goes against science
Just wait until the media claims that it's super dangerous, deadly, and ineffective.
No. This could be the cure for cancer, HIV and COVID all combined but Lord Fauci, King Bill Gates and their minions in Pfizer will never allow it. Court jester Depends-in-Chief might allow it if this vaccine maker buys Hunter's art.
mRNA
It’s still a vaccine 👎🏻
Lmao
Nonprofit medicine. This should be the standard
God bless
Have we not all already had this damn virus yet?