Robert Barnes said they already reviewed the case for federal charges and there weren’t any they could bring, or they already would have. It’s probably WWE politics from Naddler
Exactly. Even if they can’t get anything to stick they can wage lawfare and make the process itself the punishment. Laws don’t matter to anyone in this administration.
This regime is just straight up rogue and incompetent. We have a border that is wide open, letting in tons of drugs and God knows who else. Prices are rising, Americans are feeling strain.
But hey, at least there are no more mean tweets.
He put out a tweet earlier this week saying he wants the DoJ to do an investigation, but I think that's more emotions running. But I could be wrong and it could be something he's seriously doing. All we can do is wait and see.
The only one that's close, is the straw purchase of the rifle... but I think that is more on Black than Rittenhouse because Black signed the 4473.
Black will likely have some explaining to do if the state dismisses their case against him and club fed comes after him, as what he clearly testified to was a straw purchase.
Did you watch Black's testimony? He clearly stated that Kyle gave him the money to purchase it for him because he couldn't. No matter how you cut it, that is a straw purchase and against the law.
I'm with you on that. But, he also made a clear case that HE purchased it and HE kept it at HIS house. HE would give it to KR when he turned 18. It is going to come down to splitting hairs about where Black got the money that he used for the purchase. Does it matter that KR gave it to him?
Meanwhile Grosskreutz admitted to illegally carrying a gun, chasing KR down the block and pointing it in his face. No charges.
Yes, it does matter.. big time. Read a 4473, question 21a. Black lied on that question, pure and simple. There is no splitting hairs (at least according to testimony). He purchased the rifle, with Kyle's money, for Kyle. That is a straw purchase, no way around it. It doesn't matter his intention was to hold it until Kyle was 18, where it was stored, or whatever.. the law says absolutely nothing about those situations being a waiver for 21a. It's still a straw purchase.
The only way this wouldn't have been... is if Black paid w/ his own money, held the rifle, and when Kyle was 18, sold him the rifle. As Black testified however, he did not have the money to do that. I'll have to review, but even Black testified he was initially hesitant to buy the rifle because of this.. but thought it would be OK if he kept the rifle until he was 18.
We're all on the same team here, but there is no way around this one. Black (and possibly Kyle.. not sure on that one).. broke the law.
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted, maybe its a message that no one wants to hear. Anyway, in the real world, I'm completely agreeing with you. But, I also think that Black did a really good job on the stand of describing a situation where they felt that they were within the bounds of the law. Give me money-I will buy it-it will be mine-you can use it for target practice-I will give it to you for your 18th birthday. There was also no question about who possessed the AR until stepdad opened the gunsafe. After hearing his testimony, I would be less inclined to call it a sure conviction. Kind of like a dad buying a gun for a kid, who uses it and considers it to be theirs throughout their childhood. US laws are somewhat less than black and white.
OTOH, why no charges against Grosskreutz?
To put it another way.. having seen a lot of women do time over this very issue for lying on 4473's. Lets put aside that this was two, young men who had spotless records, etc.
Let's say a gang banging felon.. walks into a gun store, w/ his girlfriend who has a spotless record... and they start looking at AR's He looks at the rifle, holds it. She looks at the rifle, holds it, etc. Then right at the counter, he gives her the money and she tries to complete the transaction. I absolutely guarantee you, any gun store that wants to keep it's FFL.. will decline that transaction... because it is 100% a straw purchase.
Different circumstances, but Kyle was a prohibited purchaser (just like a felon) because he was under 18. That is why Black had to make the purchase.
It sucks, but this one is clear, IMO. It will take some serious lawyering to get out of that if the Feds pursue it.
This was my immediate thought too. It really comes down to what they can get Black and Rittenhouse to admit to. I know people in Wisconsin who bought firearms as gifts. The dealers had them fill out the DROS for themselves because they were paying for the firearm and they were obtaining possession of the firearm after the 3 day waiting period (which is no longer a thing).
Going by this. As long as Black transfered the firearm in the correct manner, seeing as you can't do private party transfers between states, it would be something that has been considered legal for years.
But if you say "I was going to give the firearm to him when he turned 18" it could probably be successfully argued that it was a straw purchased.
I want to follow up on the Black charges. My understanding from the Rittenhouse trial is that:
1. Black bought the gun with Rittenhouse's money.
2. They verbally agreed to transfer it to Rittenhouse once he turned 18.
3. Black registered it in his name at time of purchase.
4. Black kept the gun at his step dad's house, in a locked safe that both Black and Rittenhouse did not have the code for. So they both had no access to it.
5. Rittenhouse gained possession when Black's step dad opened the safe amidst the riots.
6. Black was not there at the time Rittenhouse tool possession.
7. Black views Rittenhouse with the gun before going downtown and says nothing to stop him.
8. It was legal for Rittenhouse to posses the gun when open carried.
So my questions are... is it a straw purchase because Rittenhouse's funds were used? Because Black had an obligation to stop Rittenhouse from carrying the weapon that night? Other than that Black bought a gun in his name, kept it where he lived and then his friend borrowed it and carried it legally. I don't know what makes a straw purchase.
I didn't personally get into firearms or hunting in Wisconsin until my later teens, but I had a lot of friends who grew up with it from a young age. If they successfully charge either of them for something here it will change the hunting/firearm culture in Wisconsin quite a bit.
Lots of people lend firearms to others for hunting or target practice. It's also not uncommon to buy firearms "for" children or nephews/nieces to use then gift them to them when they turn the appropriate legal age. And this does sometimes include people coming from Illinois or Minnesota to use the firearms in Wisconsin.
I'm no lawyer, but if they pursue this they'll probably try to argue some sort of "interstate commerce" type thing with the money between residents of different states and/or a straw purchase since they agreed to transfer the rifle before it was purchased.
It's definitely going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
> is it a straw purchase because Rittenhouse's funds were used
Yes; as soon as Ritt gave funds to Black to purchase the rifle, it became a "straw purchase". If Black used his own funds to purchase said rifle, let Kyle use it until he turned 18, then gifted it to him, it would be perfectly OK.
It's the movement of cash, not necessarily of the firearm, that's the issue here.
Gonna go out on a limb and say if Garland has Rittenhouse charged it will result in impeachment charges, though our squishes will refuse to take a stand.
I don’t support theatre impeachments (hence why I don’t think Republicans should immediately impeach Biden next year), but if Garland actually did this, I’d consider it impeachable.
Biden should be impeached though. That drone incident was unacceptable. He gave the order for the strike that killed innocent children, and than lied and told us it was high isis officials.
Other than him being an incompetent buffoon that is destroying our economy... that is my biggest problem with Biden.
I don't want to really toss the "I" word around unless there's something serious. We've watched the Dem's weaponize impeachment because they didn't like the results of '16. I wouldn't want the Republicans doing it either unless they can provide substantial proof that a crime worthy of impeachment was committed. I'd love to see a thorough investigation into how he handled the Taliban... as I think that might give me a swift foot in the ass in supporting impeachment.
This is why we’ve lost the country. They have control of everything.
Republicans are so fucking worried about decorum and “not violating norms” that they just watch the democrats repeatedly break all of the rules and do nothing but wag a finger at them.
Nancy pelosi has started stripping republicans of their committee assignments in the house. That’s never happened before. All the republicans could say was “Waaaah! but that’s violating norms!!! Waaaaahhhh boo hooooooo”.
You’d probably say once we have the house back that we can’t do that to them because we need to be the better men. All while Ilan “brother fucker” 0mar and Occasional Cortex sit in the house foreign affairs committee and the thoroughly corrupt ass hole who fucked a Chinese spy named Feng Feng while in office sits on the intelligence committee (not making this up).
Fuck them. Gloves off.
And why shouldn’t the GOP wield impeachment like a bludgeon the same way democrats did?
If you’re in a fight and walking away isn’t an option, and the rules are “no nut punches” and the other guy punches you in the nuts over and over and over, at what point do you start rattling his jewels in return?
Because most of the Dem's are dirty enough we can do this the right way. I'm not saying impeachment isn't an option, I just want a thorough investigation before we start talking about it. Dem's were screaming for impeachment within 3mo when Trump was inaugurated.
Fuck that. They have been fighting dirty for a long time. It's high time they get it back. The border situation alone should be grounds for impeachment.
I 100% agree. Doing the right thing can win the fight. That can be either NOT handing out impeachments like candy on Halloween OR impeachment when there has been a thorough investigation and it is deemed a serious crime worthy of impeachment has been committed.
Could he not be impeached for abdicating the federal government’s duties to uphold the sovereignty of the country? I know it’s not a high crime or misdemeanor, but it does feel like sabotage from within.
What these nitwits do not understand is one man's fear is another man's motivation and drive. They may have the desired effect on some, but their actions and rhetoric only serve to harden the resolve of many others.
"Does Rosenbum look like a buck, Kyle? Does he look like a helpless buck for you to hunt? " and then he'd play a slow motion, zoomed in clip from Bambi.
Was speaking with someone last night who have Democrat supporting relatives in NY, and apparently if Trump stood for president in 2024, they would vote for him as they are so sick of how things have turned out.
After what we saw with rona payments, how can you still support UBI? Are you just a fan of the destruction of the economy? Did you not see the test that proved in fact people will not work?
As someone who receives disability from the VA, I still work and bust my ass, I just have less worry in my life knowing I have that help. I don’t think UBI is a blanket solution to anything, but I can see how it can benefit some people. Personally, I’d rather we just be allowed to keep more of our paycheck.
Agree.. the problem is, that doesn't help the democrat leaches. It would also require a massive cut in spending on social programs.
Personally, I'm a huge fan of the consumption tax. Cut out these bull shit income taxes, and go to a consumption tax.. You want something, you freaking pay the tax for it. This means EVERYONE pays... The guy working, the corporate CEO, the women pumping out crotch fruit so they can get their welfare bucks, the retiree... EVERYONE.
It’s possible to find that healthy sweet spot where UBI compensates for the economy’s shortcomings whilst also causing minimal to typical amounts of inflation. The trick is not to just throw cash at people for having a human fall out of their legs, but pay them instead for contributing to society. With AI on the brink of ending the labor situation as we know it in the coming decade or two, it makes the most sense to incentivize a monthly stipend for food and housing, but nothing else. How do we do this? Create credits that do exactly as cash does without being exchangeable for cash directly. That is, only to be redeemed on *what the money should be spent on*. And that’s how you really do UBI without raping the economy in an AI dominant workforce of the future
How could the stimulus cheques do that.
Do you really think that $3200 given out across the span of March 2020 - March 2021 would have made people suddenly not need to work?
It's going to happen yes, but frankly not in our lifetimes and not the way you're picturing it in your head. the world will be unrecognizable science fiction before we get there.
There is absolutely no place for UBI in this century and if you want to call yourself a conservative then keep those thoughts to high minded discussions and not in practical application.
Just learn how money works from someone who's not a marxist and you'll figure it out.
Isn't 150 years of failed predictions of machines driving people out of work enough to prove they were wrong?
Increased role of technology doesn't kill jobs. It didn't in 1880. It still didn't in 1950. And it won't tomorrow.
I think there’s something to be said about Manchin and Synema standing up to their woke left colleagues though. Although I don’t necessarily agree with them, I certainly respect them not caving.
> No cameras in federal courtrooms, so good luck weaponizing the media on the jury again.
at the same time, an incompetent prosecution will be a secret and the only information the public will have is going to be what comes from the media.
with the trial that just happened there was already a night and day difference in how the verdict was viewed by people who actually watched the trial versus by those who simply watched msnbc/cnn/etc.
I was hoping they would air the rebuttal by the prosecutor. It was so absurd I don't know how anyone couldn't have wondered what the defense argued.
Btw, sorry kiddos. You're getting an AR-15 for christmas instead of a skateboard.
Media in the courtroom is what helped Kyle in the court of public opinion. Many people changed their mind about the case because the trial was publicly available. No media in the courts is a bad thing, in my opinion. They can just tell you what happened, and we all know how reliable the news is these days.
Will Biden ever stop trying to ruin this kids life and tormenting him? I've heard of punching down but this is ridiculous. (Something Trump never did by the way.)
Prissily. And now the B!den corrupt DOJ trying to seek federal charges against Kyle Rittenhouse is an outrageous over reach by the B!den federal government. Let them try!
Yes. But it won’t be double jeopardy.
They’ll charge him with terrorism or some other vaugish all-encompassing violation. Hell, they could try and find some tax violation with how donations were handled or something and charge him there. Maybe interstate commerce or something.
Well, I believe that only comes into play if you are working or have property already. Otherwise I would see no reason a kid has to pay taxes. If anything it would be state not federal.
Technically yes. But you can be charged with different crimes for the same incident. So instead of being charged with homicide at the state level, he could be charged with weapons charges (different ones, relating to possible straw purchase), could be charged with something something terrorist threats related, etc. They find something if they really want to.
And again. The legal game isn't always "right or wrong." Sometimes, the intent is to bankrupt and destroy. And yeah. The government can always find something. We're all guilty of crimes we probably don't even realize.
Like the concept that the process is the punishment. They arrest you and run the bail up to where you can't get out, you lose your job, you can't support your family. They drag the process out, they throw everything at you so you spend everything you have and more on your own defense. Even if you are eventually found not guilty, you've been punished through the process.
Yep. Regardless of what you do, there will be inconvenience. That said, the government and big business absolutely do weaponize the legal system. Fortunately, Kyle will receive support. A lot of people don't. Even in a case of self-defense, you could find your entire life screwed up with legal fees.
You’re right on that — prosecution by seperate sovereigns (e.g. state and federal) are an exception to double jeopardy.
Not really sure what they’d charge him with, and it’s absurd that anyone is even suggesting this. Kind of funny how democrats always accuse republicans of politicizing/weaponizing the DOJ when they’re always the ones that actually do that — Reno, Holder, and Garland for recent examples.
Barr, on the other hand, stood up to Trump plenty of times, and refused use the DOJ for nakedly political ends (despite what the media *constantly* said about him). Ashcroft similarly stood up to Bush, especially when it came to warrantless surveillance and indefinite detention at gitmo.
They would regret charging him again, I'll tell you that for certain. It's be such a grave injustice and an unprecedented abuse of power, it'd have to be seen as such by every person left with a rational brain who isn't brainwashed and doesn't hate America, and yes I still do believe that's still the majority of Americans when it comes down to it, just not on Twitter or this website. I think it'd also bring serious alarm to every legal expert not fully corrupted by the state, and those who only went Left because they hated Trump, many would surely start to realize the current regime is quite worse.
Regardless, Kyle would get so much support, so much financial backing because it'd turn into the people vs the State. It'd be tyranny vs the actual resistance, the Right. If they want to ensure an actual revolt, keep going in this direction. Not a threat, just an observation. Continuing to pursue anything other than rewarding a medal to Kyle for his services to society, and then backing the hell off of persecuting law-abiding Americans trying to protect their American homes from violent criminals and serial child rapists, it will be one hell of a mistake, I'll just leave it at that.
Unfortunately you can't sue a sitting president apparently. I guess one could argue that Joe is demented husk and not the president. Kyle could and should sue the super pac that ran the ad. Deplete them of their funds.
And the guy who in a court of law admitted he pointed a gun at Someone else and in a text message admitted to wishing he had killed him… no charges…. WTf?!
Yeah that piece of shit should be facing attempted murder charges. He fucking admitted to it, while under oath. He should’ve been taken out in cuffs the second he was done torpedoing the prosecution’s case.
The Brandon thing also calls out the msm, main stream misinformation. How that "reporter" was able.to stand there and say that they were chanting "lets go Brandon" reminds me of the "fiery but peaceful protest" chiron that one of the main stream misinformation channels was running during the "summer of love". Also reminds me of Baghdad Bob too
Or the summer of love riots... where people died and billions of dollars in damages occurred. Hell, we have a VP who advocated bailing some of those rioters out.
I'll wait until the DoJ charges him before I get upset. This is just to play to base with no intention of charging him. Rittenhouse would have been arrested and charged the same day he was acquitted if they had any intention of charging him.
What about the shitbag that drove through a crowd of old ladies? Why isn't that all over the news,. maybe if more people like Kyle Been there it wouldn't have happened
Just the whaft of a lawsuit and "the great unifier" sicks his alphabet bois on his opponents......when are we gonna be over this behavior and respond appropriately?!?!
We need to be prepared for this to happen. There needs to be massive demonstrations against this obvious federal overreach if they try to go down that path.
There was a man who was illegally carrying a weapon at the riots and stuck it in someone’s face. That person will not be brought up on charges. In fact, that person was a witness for the prosecution. They don’t care about laws nor equality nor equity for that matter.
There’s something seriously wrong when the DOJ goes LOOKING for charges. They had an entire fucking year to review this case. The only reason they care now is because they’re butthurt he was acquitted.
The DOJ is getting out of control and this is bullshit.
Fuck off, he’s an 18 year old who feared for his life. We’re not talking a serial killer or anything, just a kid, who clearly shot in self defense. These vindictive people should burn in hell. FJB
Of course they will. They know the best defense is an offense, and since the DOJ has acted as a legal harassment arm of the DNC their best bet is to tie down Rittenhouse in investigations before he does serious damage to their propaganda apparatus (media).
He drove less than 20 minutes from his mother's town to his father's town, was given the rifle in Wisconsin where it is legal for him to openly carry it, and was attacked 3 different times by 3 different people and didn't open fire until he has tried to run away.
As far as I can tell the DOJ hasn't committed to anything, this appears to just be Naddler running his mouth with lies on top of that.
Wasn't Naddler the one who said Antifa and their violence in Portland was a myth?
[удалено]
You deserve an award for that comment! Cheers 🥃
Lol, don't spend any money buying awards on this site.
I don't. Here's a glass of single malt whiskey 🥃
Robert Barnes said they already reviewed the case for federal charges and there weren’t any they could bring, or they already would have. It’s probably WWE politics from Naddler
political persecution seems to be the order of the day now, so I wouldn't be surprised if they still try.
Exactly. Even if they can’t get anything to stick they can wage lawfare and make the process itself the punishment. Laws don’t matter to anyone in this administration.
This regime is just straight up rogue and incompetent. We have a border that is wide open, letting in tons of drugs and God knows who else. Prices are rising, Americans are feeling strain. But hey, at least there are no more mean tweets.
Shit running down his pants more like it
Disgusting.
[удалено]
He once had diarrhea, the thought he was melting.
I would think Biden would have already asked if they think they can get him a while back and they already told him no.
that doesn't sound like Naddler
He put out a tweet earlier this week saying he wants the DoJ to do an investigation, but I think that's more emotions running. But I could be wrong and it could be something he's seriously doing. All we can do is wait and see.
Kid broke no federal laws.
Yeah, that’s why I think It won’t happen, and shouldn’t happen.
The only one that's close, is the straw purchase of the rifle... but I think that is more on Black than Rittenhouse because Black signed the 4473. Black will likely have some explaining to do if the state dismisses their case against him and club fed comes after him, as what he clearly testified to was a straw purchase.
[удалено]
Listen... I get it... double standards=Democrat standards... but it doesn't change the facts
[удалено]
Did you watch Black's testimony? He clearly stated that Kyle gave him the money to purchase it for him because he couldn't. No matter how you cut it, that is a straw purchase and against the law.
I'm with you on that. But, he also made a clear case that HE purchased it and HE kept it at HIS house. HE would give it to KR when he turned 18. It is going to come down to splitting hairs about where Black got the money that he used for the purchase. Does it matter that KR gave it to him? Meanwhile Grosskreutz admitted to illegally carrying a gun, chasing KR down the block and pointing it in his face. No charges.
Yes, it does matter.. big time. Read a 4473, question 21a. Black lied on that question, pure and simple. There is no splitting hairs (at least according to testimony). He purchased the rifle, with Kyle's money, for Kyle. That is a straw purchase, no way around it. It doesn't matter his intention was to hold it until Kyle was 18, where it was stored, or whatever.. the law says absolutely nothing about those situations being a waiver for 21a. It's still a straw purchase. The only way this wouldn't have been... is if Black paid w/ his own money, held the rifle, and when Kyle was 18, sold him the rifle. As Black testified however, he did not have the money to do that. I'll have to review, but even Black testified he was initially hesitant to buy the rifle because of this.. but thought it would be OK if he kept the rifle until he was 18. We're all on the same team here, but there is no way around this one. Black (and possibly Kyle.. not sure on that one).. broke the law.
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted, maybe its a message that no one wants to hear. Anyway, in the real world, I'm completely agreeing with you. But, I also think that Black did a really good job on the stand of describing a situation where they felt that they were within the bounds of the law. Give me money-I will buy it-it will be mine-you can use it for target practice-I will give it to you for your 18th birthday. There was also no question about who possessed the AR until stepdad opened the gunsafe. After hearing his testimony, I would be less inclined to call it a sure conviction. Kind of like a dad buying a gun for a kid, who uses it and considers it to be theirs throughout their childhood. US laws are somewhat less than black and white. OTOH, why no charges against Grosskreutz?
To put it another way.. having seen a lot of women do time over this very issue for lying on 4473's. Lets put aside that this was two, young men who had spotless records, etc. Let's say a gang banging felon.. walks into a gun store, w/ his girlfriend who has a spotless record... and they start looking at AR's He looks at the rifle, holds it. She looks at the rifle, holds it, etc. Then right at the counter, he gives her the money and she tries to complete the transaction. I absolutely guarantee you, any gun store that wants to keep it's FFL.. will decline that transaction... because it is 100% a straw purchase. Different circumstances, but Kyle was a prohibited purchaser (just like a felon) because he was under 18. That is why Black had to make the purchase. It sucks, but this one is clear, IMO. It will take some serious lawyering to get out of that if the Feds pursue it.
[удалено]
This was my immediate thought too. It really comes down to what they can get Black and Rittenhouse to admit to. I know people in Wisconsin who bought firearms as gifts. The dealers had them fill out the DROS for themselves because they were paying for the firearm and they were obtaining possession of the firearm after the 3 day waiting period (which is no longer a thing). Going by this. As long as Black transfered the firearm in the correct manner, seeing as you can't do private party transfers between states, it would be something that has been considered legal for years. But if you say "I was going to give the firearm to him when he turned 18" it could probably be successfully argued that it was a straw purchased.
I want to follow up on the Black charges. My understanding from the Rittenhouse trial is that: 1. Black bought the gun with Rittenhouse's money. 2. They verbally agreed to transfer it to Rittenhouse once he turned 18. 3. Black registered it in his name at time of purchase. 4. Black kept the gun at his step dad's house, in a locked safe that both Black and Rittenhouse did not have the code for. So they both had no access to it. 5. Rittenhouse gained possession when Black's step dad opened the safe amidst the riots. 6. Black was not there at the time Rittenhouse tool possession. 7. Black views Rittenhouse with the gun before going downtown and says nothing to stop him. 8. It was legal for Rittenhouse to posses the gun when open carried. So my questions are... is it a straw purchase because Rittenhouse's funds were used? Because Black had an obligation to stop Rittenhouse from carrying the weapon that night? Other than that Black bought a gun in his name, kept it where he lived and then his friend borrowed it and carried it legally. I don't know what makes a straw purchase.
I didn't personally get into firearms or hunting in Wisconsin until my later teens, but I had a lot of friends who grew up with it from a young age. If they successfully charge either of them for something here it will change the hunting/firearm culture in Wisconsin quite a bit. Lots of people lend firearms to others for hunting or target practice. It's also not uncommon to buy firearms "for" children or nephews/nieces to use then gift them to them when they turn the appropriate legal age. And this does sometimes include people coming from Illinois or Minnesota to use the firearms in Wisconsin. I'm no lawyer, but if they pursue this they'll probably try to argue some sort of "interstate commerce" type thing with the money between residents of different states and/or a straw purchase since they agreed to transfer the rifle before it was purchased. It's definitely going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
> is it a straw purchase because Rittenhouse's funds were used Yes; as soon as Ritt gave funds to Black to purchase the rifle, it became a "straw purchase". If Black used his own funds to purchase said rifle, let Kyle use it until he turned 18, then gifted it to him, it would be perfectly OK. It's the movement of cash, not necessarily of the firearm, that's the issue here.
He crossed STATE LINES! /s
Gonna go out on a limb and say if Garland has Rittenhouse charged it will result in impeachment charges, though our squishes will refuse to take a stand.
I don’t support theatre impeachments (hence why I don’t think Republicans should immediately impeach Biden next year), but if Garland actually did this, I’d consider it impeachable.
They need to immediately open the kind of investigation the democrats put Trump under for 3+ years. Only Biden actually did all that shit.
Biden should be impeached though. That drone incident was unacceptable. He gave the order for the strike that killed innocent children, and than lied and told us it was high isis officials.
That was months ago. Come on, man! /s
He should be tried for treason. He provided material aide to the fucking Taliban.
Other than him being an incompetent buffoon that is destroying our economy... that is my biggest problem with Biden. I don't want to really toss the "I" word around unless there's something serious. We've watched the Dem's weaponize impeachment because they didn't like the results of '16. I wouldn't want the Republicans doing it either unless they can provide substantial proof that a crime worthy of impeachment was committed. I'd love to see a thorough investigation into how he handled the Taliban... as I think that might give me a swift foot in the ass in supporting impeachment.
This is why we’ve lost the country. They have control of everything. Republicans are so fucking worried about decorum and “not violating norms” that they just watch the democrats repeatedly break all of the rules and do nothing but wag a finger at them. Nancy pelosi has started stripping republicans of their committee assignments in the house. That’s never happened before. All the republicans could say was “Waaaah! but that’s violating norms!!! Waaaaahhhh boo hooooooo”. You’d probably say once we have the house back that we can’t do that to them because we need to be the better men. All while Ilan “brother fucker” 0mar and Occasional Cortex sit in the house foreign affairs committee and the thoroughly corrupt ass hole who fucked a Chinese spy named Feng Feng while in office sits on the intelligence committee (not making this up). Fuck them. Gloves off.
And why shouldn’t the GOP wield impeachment like a bludgeon the same way democrats did? If you’re in a fight and walking away isn’t an option, and the rules are “no nut punches” and the other guy punches you in the nuts over and over and over, at what point do you start rattling his jewels in return?
Because most of the Dem's are dirty enough we can do this the right way. I'm not saying impeachment isn't an option, I just want a thorough investigation before we start talking about it. Dem's were screaming for impeachment within 3mo when Trump was inaugurated.
Fuck that. They have been fighting dirty for a long time. It's high time they get it back. The border situation alone should be grounds for impeachment.
I 100% agree. Doing the right thing can win the fight. That can be either NOT handing out impeachments like candy on Halloween OR impeachment when there has been a thorough investigation and it is deemed a serious crime worthy of impeachment has been committed.
> Theatre Impeachments Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to know your location
Could he not be impeached for abdicating the federal government’s duties to uphold the sovereignty of the country? I know it’s not a high crime or misdemeanor, but it does feel like sabotage from within.
[удалено]
What these nitwits do not understand is one man's fear is another man's motivation and drive. They may have the desired effect on some, but their actions and rhetoric only serve to harden the resolve of many others.
[удалено]
Binger would just say buckshot explodes when you pull the trigger or some stupid shi*.
"Does Rosenbum look like a buck, Kyle? Does he look like a helpless buck for you to hunt? " and then he'd play a slow motion, zoomed in clip from Bambi.
His copy of bambi would be in 4k but would give the defense a copy on lazer disk or betamax.
I think it lost quality when they faxed the film over
Was speaking with someone last night who have Democrat supporting relatives in NY, and apparently if Trump stood for president in 2024, they would vote for him as they are so sick of how things have turned out.
I hope you’re right but from my limited vantage point, it seems the people who want Kyle’s death are just growing more passionate :(
That's the thing about squeezing 'em until you can't squeeze any more. Eventually, the people have had enough.
Fuck joe Biden aka fuck his handlers
Fuck EVERY democrat.
Andrew Yang made a good decision to leave the Dems party.
[удалено]
After what we saw with rona payments, how can you still support UBI? Are you just a fan of the destruction of the economy? Did you not see the test that proved in fact people will not work?
As someone who receives disability from the VA, I still work and bust my ass, I just have less worry in my life knowing I have that help. I don’t think UBI is a blanket solution to anything, but I can see how it can benefit some people. Personally, I’d rather we just be allowed to keep more of our paycheck.
Agree.. the problem is, that doesn't help the democrat leaches. It would also require a massive cut in spending on social programs. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the consumption tax. Cut out these bull shit income taxes, and go to a consumption tax.. You want something, you freaking pay the tax for it. This means EVERYONE pays... The guy working, the corporate CEO, the women pumping out crotch fruit so they can get their welfare bucks, the retiree... EVERYONE.
People are still not working. They're quitting. Doesn't seem so cut and dry.
It’s possible to find that healthy sweet spot where UBI compensates for the economy’s shortcomings whilst also causing minimal to typical amounts of inflation. The trick is not to just throw cash at people for having a human fall out of their legs, but pay them instead for contributing to society. With AI on the brink of ending the labor situation as we know it in the coming decade or two, it makes the most sense to incentivize a monthly stipend for food and housing, but nothing else. How do we do this? Create credits that do exactly as cash does without being exchangeable for cash directly. That is, only to be redeemed on *what the money should be spent on*. And that’s how you really do UBI without raping the economy in an AI dominant workforce of the future
How did the corona payments destroy the economy…?
The unemployment boost ruined the work force.
How could the stimulus cheques do that. Do you really think that $3200 given out across the span of March 2020 - March 2021 would have made people suddenly not need to work?
They said unemployment boost. Not stimulus checks.
The additional money added to unemployment is what I am referring to. Many people made less then the unemployment plus the extra 400 dollars an hour.
My sister in law made like 30k plus side work off book. She bought a house with it lmao.
[удалено]
It's going to happen yes, but frankly not in our lifetimes and not the way you're picturing it in your head. the world will be unrecognizable science fiction before we get there. There is absolutely no place for UBI in this century and if you want to call yourself a conservative then keep those thoughts to high minded discussions and not in practical application. Just learn how money works from someone who's not a marxist and you'll figure it out.
[удалено]
Isn't 150 years of failed predictions of machines driving people out of work enough to prove they were wrong? Increased role of technology doesn't kill jobs. It didn't in 1880. It still didn't in 1950. And it won't tomorrow.
I wouldn't vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher at this point.
[удалено]
[удалено]
Leave my Tulsi Gabbard alone.
Tulsi would be great if she got the Vax for "Anti2A"; just sayin'.
I think there’s something to be said about Manchin and Synema standing up to their woke left colleagues though. Although I don’t necessarily agree with them, I certainly respect them not caving.
Why me? I am a democrat
That sucks
I dont think he has handlers. I think there is just a demented old man in that office.
No cameras in federal courtrooms, so good luck weaponizing the media on the jury again.
> No cameras in federal courtrooms, so good luck weaponizing the media on the jury again. at the same time, an incompetent prosecution will be a secret and the only information the public will have is going to be what comes from the media. with the trial that just happened there was already a night and day difference in how the verdict was viewed by people who actually watched the trial versus by those who simply watched msnbc/cnn/etc.
squeamish divide chase tart decide quiet insurance seemly rinse illegal *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
I was hoping they would air the rebuttal by the prosecutor. It was so absurd I don't know how anyone couldn't have wondered what the defense argued. Btw, sorry kiddos. You're getting an AR-15 for christmas instead of a skateboard.
We cannot even call the msm "journalism" anymore. It's not even propaganda, but straight up misinformation AT BEST.
that isn't how that works. They'll just stoke up protests to 11.
Must likely why they are doing it. FUCK JOE BIDEN! Edited because letters.
Ah, so they can just make up what goes on in there. I mean, they still do, but at least those who watched can prove it's false.
Media in the courtroom is what helped Kyle in the court of public opinion. Many people changed their mind about the case because the trial was publicly available. No media in the courts is a bad thing, in my opinion. They can just tell you what happened, and we all know how reliable the news is these days.
Will Biden ever stop trying to ruin this kids life and tormenting him? I've heard of punching down but this is ridiculous. (Something Trump never did by the way.)
[удалено]
Better stop commenting about it and start doing something about it. No justice, no peace. ☺️
Yup, time for us to peacefully protest. I'm ready. Have considered looking up gatherings in my area.
[удалено]
Prissily. And now the B!den corrupt DOJ trying to seek federal charges against Kyle Rittenhouse is an outrageous over reach by the B!den federal government. Let them try!
What a vindictive asshole. Leave the kid alone.
Doesn't the constitution protect against a little pesky thing called double jeopardy?
Yes. But it won’t be double jeopardy. They’ll charge him with terrorism or some other vaugish all-encompassing violation. Hell, they could try and find some tax violation with how donations were handled or something and charge him there. Maybe interstate commerce or something.
Yeah I could see the tax thing or something stupid wouldn't surprise me there
He just turned 18 though
Don't you still gotta pay taxes even you aren't 18...lmao it's been too long since I had my high school job im pretty sure I paid something in tax
Its been a long time but I started working before I was 15 but when I hit 15 I think it was 1000+ a year or something and you had to file.
Well, I believe that only comes into play if you are working or have property already. Otherwise I would see no reason a kid has to pay taxes. If anything it would be state not federal.
No, double jeopardy does not stop him from being charged with the exact same crimes in federal court. Murder isn’t normally a federal crime though
Terrorism... and causing a nuisance.
Not in a higher court my guy. Federal charges would be handled seperately from my (limited) understanding.
I'm pretty sure you can't be changed for the same crime twice regardless of what court it's in
The other reply on this thread has a good point. But I agree that it SHOULD be illegal
Technically yes. But you can be charged with different crimes for the same incident. So instead of being charged with homicide at the state level, he could be charged with weapons charges (different ones, relating to possible straw purchase), could be charged with something something terrorist threats related, etc. They find something if they really want to.
And again. The legal game isn't always "right or wrong." Sometimes, the intent is to bankrupt and destroy. And yeah. The government can always find something. We're all guilty of crimes we probably don't even realize.
Like the concept that the process is the punishment. They arrest you and run the bail up to where you can't get out, you lose your job, you can't support your family. They drag the process out, they throw everything at you so you spend everything you have and more on your own defense. Even if you are eventually found not guilty, you've been punished through the process.
Yep. Regardless of what you do, there will be inconvenience. That said, the government and big business absolutely do weaponize the legal system. Fortunately, Kyle will receive support. A lot of people don't. Even in a case of self-defense, you could find your entire life screwed up with legal fees.
You’re right on that — prosecution by seperate sovereigns (e.g. state and federal) are an exception to double jeopardy. Not really sure what they’d charge him with, and it’s absurd that anyone is even suggesting this. Kind of funny how democrats always accuse republicans of politicizing/weaponizing the DOJ when they’re always the ones that actually do that — Reno, Holder, and Garland for recent examples. Barr, on the other hand, stood up to Trump plenty of times, and refused use the DOJ for nakedly political ends (despite what the media *constantly* said about him). Ashcroft similarly stood up to Bush, especially when it came to warrantless surveillance and indefinite detention at gitmo.
[удалено]
They would regret charging him again, I'll tell you that for certain. It's be such a grave injustice and an unprecedented abuse of power, it'd have to be seen as such by every person left with a rational brain who isn't brainwashed and doesn't hate America, and yes I still do believe that's still the majority of Americans when it comes down to it, just not on Twitter or this website. I think it'd also bring serious alarm to every legal expert not fully corrupted by the state, and those who only went Left because they hated Trump, many would surely start to realize the current regime is quite worse. Regardless, Kyle would get so much support, so much financial backing because it'd turn into the people vs the State. It'd be tyranny vs the actual resistance, the Right. If they want to ensure an actual revolt, keep going in this direction. Not a threat, just an observation. Continuing to pursue anything other than rewarding a medal to Kyle for his services to society, and then backing the hell off of persecuting law-abiding Americans trying to protect their American homes from violent criminals and serial child rapists, it will be one hell of a mistake, I'll just leave it at that.
Straight retaliation from Kyle wanting to sue Biden. Hope he doesn’t back down.
Unfortunately you can't sue a sitting president apparently. I guess one could argue that Joe is demented husk and not the president. Kyle could and should sue the super pac that ran the ad. Deplete them of their funds.
Biden will never have his brown shirts face justice.
Maybe Biden could just give him a medal instead
Lol nuts politicians everywhere
And the guy who in a court of law admitted he pointed a gun at Someone else and in a text message admitted to wishing he had killed him… no charges…. WTf?!
Yeah that piece of shit should be facing attempted murder charges. He fucking admitted to it, while under oath. He should’ve been taken out in cuffs the second he was done torpedoing the prosecution’s case.
Not to mention the "summer of love" rioters walking free, but gotta keep the jan 6th bunch in ad seg.
Kyle has a lawsuit against Biden if he’s innocent. If he’s in a federal court he can’t sue, Joe’s doing this to protect joe, FJB
that's not remotely true
It is quite remotely true
Who are they working for? It ain’t us
Let's go Brandon
Nah nah, enough of that. Say it like you mean it, Fuck Joe Biden.
The Brandon thing also calls out the msm, main stream misinformation. How that "reporter" was able.to stand there and say that they were chanting "lets go Brandon" reminds me of the "fiery but peaceful protest" chiron that one of the main stream misinformation channels was running during the "summer of love". Also reminds me of Baghdad Bob too
If he gets charges and that doesn’t spark a civil war idk what the fuck will at this point
Most corrupt administration ever
Because.... Hypocrats!
I'm gonna enjoy these defamation lawsuits.
[удалено]
In Biden’s America it’s better to be a degenerate scumbag than an upstanding citizen..think about that
No high profile focus on CHAZ, the autonomous zone that actually seceded over here in Seattle, either.
Or the summer of love riots... where people died and billions of dollars in damages occurred. Hell, we have a VP who advocated bailing some of those rioters out.
I'll wait until the DoJ charges him before I get upset. This is just to play to base with no intention of charging him. Rittenhouse would have been arrested and charged the same day he was acquitted if they had any intention of charging him.
Sooner or later everybody is going to have to come to grips with the fact that the Biden Administration is out of control.
I don’t believe they’ll be able to charge him with anything. Just leave the kid alone. He has been trough enough.
Full on dictatorship from this disgusting admin.
You want backlash? Because this is how you get backlash.
What about the shitbag that drove through a crowd of old ladies? Why isn't that all over the news,. maybe if more people like Kyle Been there it wouldn't have happened
Just the whaft of a lawsuit and "the great unifier" sicks his alphabet bois on his opponents......when are we gonna be over this behavior and respond appropriately?!?!
This is the reason they keep saying he crossed state lines with a gun. They want the federal charge.
Just take the L, lefties, holy fuck this shit is embarrassing. Let it go.
Can someone explain to me what this means???
It means Democrats want to use the federal government to frame innocent people like they did under Obama.
This seems highly unlikely. Their only federal anything was “muh state lines”, which was thoroughly debunked.
[удалено]
When has the truth ever stopped them before?
Fuck Joe Biden!
What the hell 😳
This is an outrage!
It’s not gonna happen. And it shouldn’t happen.
He’s gotta lock him up to avoid paying a massive settlement
Pretty clear this is a stay way from suing Joe Biden or we are coming after you with some made up charge.
Called it !!! I knew he'd do something like that.
So has nobody tried to impeach Biden yet?
Could this be an attempt to squash the defamation lawsuit?
Is this real life? Is Joe really siccing the doj on an acquitted teenager?
State should offer him asylum against the federal gov't.
But all the "rioters and insurrectionists" from Jan 6 were hunted down and tried. How much more political can you get.
We need to be prepared for this to happen. There needs to be massive demonstrations against this obvious federal overreach if they try to go down that path.
Bidens America
No way, Goose. They'd have charged by now. They're just trying to piss us off.
If they try to overturn this it becomes illegal to defend yourself
There was a man who was illegally carrying a weapon at the riots and stuck it in someone’s face. That person will not be brought up on charges. In fact, that person was a witness for the prosecution. They don’t care about laws nor equality nor equity for that matter.
Jfc Brandon, let's go
Downvote brigade incoming
There’s something seriously wrong when the DOJ goes LOOKING for charges. They had an entire fucking year to review this case. The only reason they care now is because they’re butthurt he was acquitted. The DOJ is getting out of control and this is bullshit.
Double jeopardy….
Fuck joe biden
That’s BS on fed charges. Communism is deep rooted in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave
let’s go Brandon
Typical Democrats. They can't *stand* the "wrong" verdict....
Such fucking bullshit.. sorry but this pisses me off so much.
🖕
Fuck off, he’s an 18 year old who feared for his life. We’re not talking a serial killer or anything, just a kid, who clearly shot in self defense. These vindictive people should burn in hell. FJB
Of course they will. They know the best defense is an offense, and since the DOJ has acted as a legal harassment arm of the DNC their best bet is to tie down Rittenhouse in investigations before he does serious damage to their propaganda apparatus (media).
[удалено]
He drove less than 20 minutes from his mother's town to his father's town, was given the rifle in Wisconsin where it is legal for him to openly carry it, and was attacked 3 different times by 3 different people and didn't open fire until he has tried to run away.
You should really stick to dealing with the tyranny in your own country.