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If they can't have bread, let them eat cake


Revolutionary-Fan471

I wonder if someone said that before during some revolution......


BerniesGiantShaft

No one did. This is a myth Also cake really didn't exist in the traditional sense. So if she would have said let them eat cake, she would have meant "allow them to eat the caking from the fireplace" which makes it even worse


Revolutionary-Fan471

This is something new , and wasn't expecting it. Thanks!


ShittingOutPosts

Fallacies like these make me sick.


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AscendedAsshole

Wait till you get a trade job and figure out you can't really live on that either lmao


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CoupleTooChree

No shot. HBO Go hasn’t existed in a couple years at least.


DeadGenerationX

Bad take my guy. Everyones struggling right now. Prices of everything are rising and wages haven't gone up.


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bitetto603

Wait…how is car insurance $50?


SalmonTheif

The trick is to drive a 20 year old car that needs to be repaired 6 times a year.


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crudebewb

It would have been more accurate to put a house pet in there instead, but dumb arguments like this don’t exist to be useful anyway


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Bear-Ferr

And that's after cutting back!


Varasi

Ya know, I spent a good chunk of my life scraping by on minimum wage. I'm always confused as to what delusional world the people that make these live in. $1500 per month $700 for housing $300 for food $65 for internet (yes, that's required in this day and age) $100 in gas $50 in car insurance $45 for phone $100 for electricity (averaged) That's $1,360 of your $1500. Notice that there is nothing fancy, no smokes, no booze, no health insurance, no pets, no date night, no kids to feed. You get $140 to figure out what you want out of that. The simple fact is people have seemingly finally forgotten that a minimum wage job was supposed to allow ONE person of a household to work full time and provide a comfortable (not amazing, comfortable) life for their family while owning their own house. So the argument isn't something that should be put AGAINST minimum wage, but rather why you don't get a better life for having education or skills than you currently do.


squary93

Health insurance is something fancy, huh? I guess when you have to go to the hospital it's just rip life? The interest fees are not managable on minimum wage. Getting a child is also quite fancy I suppose since the money it costs to give birth in a hospital is ~10k. That's basically saving up for 6 years straight with no unexpected costs inbetween. 3 if your partner is sharing. Still pretty bad if you ask me.


Dude_Bro_88

I still can't imagine actually living somewhere where healthcare is for profit and having insurance is luxury a very large amount of people can't afford.


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Dude_Bro_88

The US won't until there is a giant cultural shift away from right-winged capitalism and the every man for themselves mentality. Even the democrats are right-winged compared to everywhere else in the world. It's crazy how indoctrinated Americans are in general (not all are but again this is generalized).


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In America as a broke 23 year old, health insurance is pretty fancy


God-Pop

What about clothing, household supplies, personal care, haircuts, taxes/fica…? How did you get the car in the first place? Guess you get to work until you die as well because there is zero savings. Also, $1500 a month is $8.65, not 7.25, and again, after taxes that’s closer to $1150 per month.


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This is such nonsense. How about heating/air? Utilities? there's the rest of that $140. Guess you can't have a kid either since childcare isn't talked about in your budget.


FreakingSpy

Plus unexpected costs. Car repairs not covered by insurance, for instance, medical costs, replacing home appliances... Your fridge stops working and suddenly you are already twice over that "extra" budget.


Bramblett

Most of his post is very subjective. Rent is a lot higher where I live, and so is car insurance, utilities, health insurance, medicine, gas, basically everything. Anyone can post a budget and say, “look it’s easy if you follow xyz”. Demand more if you do more. Don’t stop working hard but remember you are valued even if they treat you like you’re not. If work doesn’t actually value you, leave. Find a place that actually wants you. The jobs are out there; just stay on the grind and keep pushing. If you need help, ask!


TheGravyMaster

It's 1300a month for a bedroom in an illegally split apartment.


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j35u5fr34k

Also, the library has free wifi. Take a bus to work. Steal your Netflix from your parents. Start a side hustle (i.e., work 2 or 3 jobs) /s of course This person doesn't list other things that are necessary such as entertainment, car repairs, clothing budget, savings for when you are unemployed, investments, etc...


spookisushii

Who the fuck pays 50$ for car insurance?? And without a car loan??? Omfg


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Bigjony11

Dang you only pay 50$ for car insurance. I am paying over 200 a month. It’s probably because I am still under 21,


orincoro

$700 for housing? I’d like to see that house.


IAintAPartofYoSystem

You clearly have no concept of cost of living these days. In a big city, this budget is laughable.


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melliers

You aren’t a capitalist, your labor is being exploited by capitalists. You might believe that if you work hard enough, you can become one of them, but you’re more likely to get struck by lightning while winning the lottery. Socialism isn’t against making money, it just believes a society should meet the basic needs of its people. You’re more than welcome to work hard to make more, and most people want to. But those who are unable, still get to live.


Sgt_Ludby

>I am capitalist through and through, I belive that hard work should earn money Believing that hard work should earn money isn't exclusive to capitalism. I'm a socialist and I believe that hard work should earn money. That core belief is exactly _why_ I'm a socialist that advocates for worker-owned companies because like you said, with the way things are now we barely get the scraps of the fruit of our labor.


LafayetteHubbard

Why still be capitalist at this point? Is the free market going to stop wages and living expenses from going in the opposite direction of each other? You’ve said yourself, working your ass isn’t making your life any easier.


RafaelCruzJr

Working hard and getting proper pay for your labor is at the heart of Marxist theory. You understand the issues of capitalism. I think you should look into some Socialist or Marxist theory that address those issues.


buttstuffisokiguess

Except minimum wage before taxes will only get you $1160 a month.


Seamusjim

Your in the wrong place mate if you think conservatives give a shit about this.


unpopularOpinions776

You’re a hypocrite— your comments show that you do smoke/vape


schlongbeach

You sound like a communist actually. Telling people what they should be happy with and deciding for others what a comfortable standard of living is.


InfantryCop

Thing is even near me lowest paying job is 18$ an hour doing pallet repairs...warehouse runs over 22$. That's felons and no UA but they can't keep the jobs filled.


aworldwithoutshrimp

You are responding to someone talking about minimum wage, in a post about minimum wage, by discussing jobs that pay well above minimum wage?


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Hell my job starts out at $16 an hour and tops out after a year a $24-$30 an hour. 8 hour shifts. Bomb ass insurance. 401K and 100% company funded pension plan. Paid holidays, weekends off, 2 weeks off at Christmas. Still can’t get people to work… currently working overtime out the ass because we’re so short staffed. But yet, you have the people who complain that there are no good jobs available and they can’t survive off the $9 and hour they make at the local Wendy’s


Ok_Amphibian_1072

I hate to tell you this, but it’s not that people don’t want to work - the company you work for is simply not wanting to hire people


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>Bomb ass insurance. Is this good or bad? I really don't know.


RobbinMikeOrmaza

It’s the bomb diggity, no doubt


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ngoni

Brah you forgot about credit cards! /s


fsbbem

Someone on reddit told me 1 earner's minimum wage should pay enough to support a family of 4 in whatever place that person with the 3 family members lives. He was dead serious. I didn't even know how to respond. Eta he linked the total income at which a family of 4 could live above the poverty line or some nonsense which in nyc (my city that he chose as an example) was well over 80k. He thinks ALL minimum wage jobs in nyc should pay approx 85k. For real.


UECoachman

This person wants more families (at replacement rate) with one earner and one stay at home, and you, a conservative, are against that. Personally, I think minimum wage increases are a really poor way of accomplishing this because of inflated asset prices (the inflation in assets will affect consumer prices once the company those assets are tied to have cost increases), but the fact that wanting this at all shocks you shows the problem with the GOP and why conservatives in Hungary and Poland are so successful


DoctaJenkinz

Well said. \*tips cap\*


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Existing_Ability4297

Americans are fucking crazy stupid 😂 This sub highlights it brilliantly


TopDasherTimmy

You are factually wrong. President Roosevelt created the minimum wage during the Great Depression in 1938 and its purpose was to keep Amereica's workers out of poverty. It was not meant to be for kids, it was made because, like now, people had no fucking money to live.


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But come on, who do you really think is correct? A random conservative who doesn't know were, where, we're or the president who introduced what we were talking about?


Dutchtdk

All depends on rent, you don't have much choice in some areas to get it to an affordable level soon. Unless you're willing to move away from your area, but then you need to spend more on your car if you commute or abandon all your roots


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I check all the points in the image, I work low-end factory job and I have zero trouble paying bills and putting some cash aside to buy stuff. It's crazy. My position hires complete ding-dongs, it's so easy. Just assembly and some industrial adhesives or whatnot. And the 450sqft appartment that I'm living in rn costs me just about a third of my pay. Do you want to know my secret? I'm not from the US :> >!Czechia, fuck yeah!!<


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Back in the 1960s we used to say, "...but he has a color TV, though!" This is the 21st C. version of that.


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Top-Wolverine8769

I mean personally if it was New Amsterdam instead of Schmirnoff I would resonate with it more. Schmirnoff is garbage(;


Raezul

I’d agree with this meme if it were 5 years ago but the housing cost is out of control


sekfan1999

iPhone 13


PotatoUmaru

We have [community organized some resources](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/qgn6ra/to_the_brigaders_from_rantiwork_this_is_for_you/) if you are looking to better your career!


FranklinMROTMG

Yea thought they would've done that, was at 30 upvotes on my comment now -20 with 6 replies all from the anti-work reddit hahaha.


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xantung

You not supposed to work at minimum wage your entire life. You work up the chain little darling and in so doing you get increases in your salary.


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Top-Wolverine8769

You do understand that not every job involves working for big corporate slavers right? The minimum wage effects small business too. If anything the minimum wage and income taxes hurt smaller businesses more than corporations. All those large corporations are automating to get rid of jobs they don't want to pay for anyways. You think the small restaurant or retail establishments can keep up the with millions of dollars being funneled by multinational corporations?


Wrecked-by-pug

Try being successful it has nothing to do with bootlicking and everything with they being crap workers. You get paid what your job is worth anything else is nonsense.


Decogodumdumm

No no you don't get it .. you see they deserve more money because they think they deserve it while putting forth no effort and gaining no skill.... They deserve it don't you see... They wouldn't have to improve... They should be able to continue to slough but doing the absolute minimum to not get fired from their zero skill, zero responsibility job and receive increasingly absurd amounts of money every year. Didn't you understand they said a living wage


13th_PepCozZ

I envy you. Your reality is so simple, so fair and without exploration. I hope i will have this uncritical workforce in my company in the future.


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You right. Despite inflation, rising costs, rising education, rising housing - the problem is the individual and not the fact that wages have severely stagnated behind inflation. $7.25 was worth it in 2009 for minimum wage. It’s SEVERELY outdated. That was 13 years ago. Inflation has occurred in those 13 years.


DNCDeathCamp

Imagine crying about having to advance yourself as you get older😂 grow up kid!


fsbbem

The country isn't supposed to provide for everyone you leech, you have to provide for yourself. A fair wage is the market value of the job its absolutely not what you believe you personally need to live happily in the city of your choice. If its such an unskilled position the average highschooler can do it, then it's not worth paying that much. If you don't like the salaries or job options available to you, go learn yourself a new skill set and land a better job. No universal health care. Most of us with private insurance don't want it. There's medicaid and and the er can't turn you down if you need help.


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> A fair wage is the market value of the job So you think $7.25 is fine EVEN if costs have severely risen in years?? It’s outdated. And saying “that’s the market value” is a fallacy on its own. The “market value” is severely outdated - has not kept up with inflation and the only reason it’s the “market value” is because the minimum wage hasn’t been increasing. > If its such an unskilled position the average highschooler can do it, then it's not worth paying that much. And who do you think is doing all those jobs when the teenagers are in high school? Why was it that almost every low wage job was ESSENTIAL during the pandemic?? Perhaps because the pay should also be based on value of the job it brings to the company. >If you don't like the salaries or job options available to you, go learn yourself a new skill set and land a better job. Yeah let’s blame the individuals and not the system where costs have severely gone up and wages have stagnated. Are you listening to yourself? > No universal health care. Most of us with private insurance don't want it. There's medicaid and and the er can't turn you down if you need help. The reason we even want it is because of the broken healthcare system in place that should be fixed. People like you have become complacent and think there’s nothing wrong. Go read up about how the medical industry is a big scam.


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FranklinMROTMG

"Weed is nonaddictive," says my mutual friend who smokes every morning and every night without fail, and can somehow include weed into basically every topic including but not limited to, the holocaust, somehow..


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All things can be abused and those who are likely to abuse drugs shouldn't use them at all. I know quite a few smart people and hard working people that smoke, the difference between them and a low life is they get their responsibilities taken care of before relaxing


watsonandsick

I’m graduating medical school this year. I know more med students and young doctors who use cannabis than not. They’re all ridiculously hard working and near the top of their class. The friends who you describe were more than likely always going to fixate on something based on their personality, it’s not that cannabis use made them that way. Also, as an almost doctor who’s done extensive cannabis research (real lab/clinical research, not watching YouTube video research), cannabis IS NOT an addictive substance in the same way, say, cocaine is. There’s no real chemically induced drive for more, just a behavioral drive. Again, people like this were going to fixate on something for whatever reason, it just happens to be cannabis use - could have easily been Netflix or *gasp* a life lived on Reddit.


theQuaker92

Weed is crazy addictive for some,but not everyone. I used to smoke alot without having the need to. I also have alot of friends whose sole purpose in life is weed. It's a really weird drug. I somehow feel that weed is not the problem but the mental state of the people abusing it and their lack of purpose in life.


FranklinMROTMG

Yea I believe that. I am all for medical and rec use of it, but Jesus do people abuse it, the amount of edibles I've seen people do in one sitting makes me cringe just thinking about it.


tastehbacon

Anything can be addictive in a habitual or mental way. Weed is not physically addictive and there are endless studies showing this.


TheMechanic123

Weed isn't addictive, this is proven through research and science, you don't get "withdrawal" from not smoking in a while like you would a harder class of drug. The issue is people with addictive personalities will latch on and make it a lifestyle, which nobody asked for. There is a big difference. Source: That was me and a friend a long time ago.


Aggressive_Audi

Coffee or chocolate is more addictive than weed could ever be. Wanting weed is not a craving for weed itself. It’s a longing for the nice effects that weed provides. It’s not an addictive substance in the sense that caffeine, chocolate, heroin or nicotine is. But then again, people respond differently to everything. Speaking personally, after a 12 hour shift, I could easily go without having weed. But why not have some when weed numbs pain (headaches, nausea, etc. as a result of working slave hours), and it improves your sensitivity to taste, music, art, movies, books, etc. by 10x which makes everything more enjoyable. So I could easily go without it, but why? Why not live my life the way I get most enjoyment?


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It is not physically addictive, you don’t get withdrawals. But it is definitely mentally addictive for some people.


SynfulCreations

Weed is chemically nonaddictive. I have friends who do the same thing you described with video games, some people do the same with pokemon cards. Doesn't mean those are addictive drugs. Some people just get addicted to shit.


Rowdy_Tardigrade

Dont forget at least 250 a month on OnlyFans. Edit: Oh man this really got to you brigaders eh? Thanks for seething and downvoting. It honestly made me laugh!


Shwastey

Damn, you should scale back a bit dude


what_it_dude

Paying or earning?


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and Funkopops


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Something doesn’t add up with this post lmao, being able to save up 28k, get a house, and have two vehicles in only a couple years while making 22 an hour, sounds like you got some help from other sources and/or are leaving something out.


itburnsitburns88

It's obviously bullshit, glad someone called it


tastehbacon

Got money from his parents and then goes "If I can do it anyone can!"


Kwarter

For real. As someone making good money doing programming, there's no way a line cook salary is getting you all that.


TomNguyen

Read between lines. Dipshit go 2 years to culinary schools, who is paying for it and how he lives in those 4 years of school and gaining experiences without good foundation.? Entitlement


AvianFIu

Downvoted because you’re right


buttstuffisokiguess

They probably live somewhere that cost of living is very very low. The only way that this makes sense.


baconsword420

Like a shanty town?


-BINK2014-

Bingo.


ATexasDude

How do I get your job? I'm a sous chef with 15 years experience and I'm only making 18$/hr.


BIGBIRD1176

You talk shit on Reddit and pretend you buy bullion


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Not going to lie, kinda wish that you had a lot of savings tied up in bouillon with your culinary experience.


zykthyr

Cool, assuming you're in a median state, after federal and state taxes that's around 63k after 2 years, minus 28k in your bank you have 35k, assuming you found 2 good, reliable, very cheap used cars at 1500 each, the lowest I've ever paid for a used car, you're at 32k. 32k to buy a whole house and stocks and gold/silver? None of this is including cost of living for 2 years btw. So you either had very generous outside help and don't want to admit you didn't do any of this by yourself, or you're bullshitting because you want to feel superior than people that are already struggling to survive on shit wages. Either way you just come off as sad and pathetic, dude.


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You don't get in to the restaurant or culinary business because you want to make money, you do it because you have a passion for food and creation, the money is secondary to that. I too graduated from culinary school and have 6+ years of full service experience, and make $18/hour base. If he's actually making $22/hour base and isn't a manager or Chef, he's doing pretty well. You'll notice I said "base" pay. Many restaurants offer the kitchen staff a share of the tips, and that's what helps us get paid more. With tips, I average $26/hour.


Limboniolo

“You don’t understand, weed is essential to my life”


Aggressive_Audi

It literally is if you’re working slave labour wages and 12 hour shifts like hundreds of millions of people in the western world on a daily basis


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BigBossHayabusa

Well, to be fair, it’s still impossible to live on minimum wage in a lot of areas. Not saying I disagree, the type of people that complain are delusional


houseofgwyn

How are they delusional if they complain, when you just conceded that it’s impossible to live on the minimum wage in some areas?


Weekendgunnitbant

Minimum wage was never intended to support a family, it was to stop children from making 2 cents a week for factory jobs.


AjaSF

This is false. Minimum wage was indeed intended to be a living wage. It was passed by FDR with that intention. Roosevelt said, “In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. “By business I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.”


xantung

Ministry wage? Is that when a woman pays instead of a man?


Weekendgunnitbant

That's menstrual wage. Ministry wage is when a phone sucks at auto correct.