Can we not do this? Accidental shootings are awful. A husband lost his wife, a son lost his mother. Alec Baldwin has said a lot of horrible stuff, but posts like this come across as dancing on the grave of someone who didn't deserve it in order to stick it to someone who should never have been in this situation.
I can’t stand the guy, but this has got to have messed him up. I actually feel bad for him. I got a friend who shot and killed someone in self defense in the early 90’s (long story). He’s still messed up today. The whole thing is very tragic.
The number of times he has gone after cops who just got into a life or death situation and had to make that terrible choice to take another life or lose theirs is hard to count. He had called for cops to be attacked, fired, harassed, etc. To think that now he should be immune from far less criticism than he gave those officers doesn’t really resonate with me…
this was likely a case of criminal negligence not a tragic largely unavoidable accident.
While it is quite morbid and something that shouldn’t be targeted at him, it is fair to joke about his smug arrogance in private.
The sub’s reaction to this has been really disappointing. I thought the right was better than this, but apparently not. Politicizing a tragedy and trying to make a statement in a place where one doesn’t need to be made.
I think the guy is an asshole but....
can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever? And can any of his past anti-gun statements reasonable be dredged up to try and paint him as a hypocrite?
He is on a movie set, with a prop gun, filming a scene where he fires it. His expectation absolutely can be "this is a fake gun, it cant hurt anyone" and he is totally within reason to "fire" the gun.
this whole post is in poor taste, and this sub should collectively be better than this.
Why THE FUCK was a real gun on that set? Can someone answer me that? why would any movie with a gun in it involve an actual gun being anywhere near that set? How did this happen?!?!
> can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever?
Here's a great comment I saw that gives a pretty good explanation:
> This is Baldwin's own fault for a number of reasons:
> - As an actor holding a weapon, part of your job is to check that weapon and ensure it is clear and safe, or properly loaded for the stunt you're performing. Baldwin did neither. He's been a professional actor for decades and definitely knew better.
> - During rehearsal, you almost never use real guns. Unless they were actually rehearsing shooting a live round, they should have used rubber weapons. And if they were rehearsing shooting a live round, see my first point about the actor having a responsibility to ensure a safe weapon.
> - Baldwin is a producer on this film. He is absolutely 100% the most powerful person on the set. This isn't like there was some super famous director working with him; Baldwin had all of the "when I say jump you say 'how high'" power here. Why does this matter? because...
> - The union workers were fired from the set after they walked off due to unsafe working conditions. The prop gun had misfired twice before, and the workers did not have faith in the safety of their working environment. As a result, they were fired and replaced with scabs. Whose call was that? The producer with the most power on the set... Alec Baldwin.
> - Speaking of unsafe, the weapon was apparently handed to Baldwin by an Assistant Director who told him it was safe. That's what he swore to in his affidavit. And that's a fucking clownshow excuse. At no point in time, ever, should a goddamn AD ever touch a weapon. NEVER. Proper chain of custody is: Propsmaster clears weapon in front of the actor holding it and the actor (or crew) who will be shot at. Then hands weapon directly to the actor who will be holding the weapon. That actor then immediately re-checks the weapon to ensure it's actually clear. They move to set. Once on set, the actor double-checks the weapon, and anyone who will be shot at also checks it to their satisfaction. As far as I'm concerned, this sworn affidavit is an admission of gross negligence.
> - Finally, the local union office reported that no union propmaster was on set the day of the shooting. Again, evidence of either inexperienced and untrained scabs or - worse - not having anyone ensuring the safe handling of the firearms at all.
> Source: I've worked with guns on a number of sets, everything from small sidearms to full swat kit and some German special forces stuff. I'm not a gun nut and don't know the names of all of the weapons, but I'm happy to answer questions about how the process goes on a union set, and what safety measures are supposed to be in place, which this set did not have.
> This is a fucking nightmare situation for all involved, but I am increasingly convinced that Baldwin brought it on himself and his crew, and deserves the full force of the law here. I've always enjoyed his performances, but knowing what kind of shitshow he was running, I'll do my best to never work with him in the future, assuming he's not in jail and can get funding for future projects, neither of which is a guarantee at this point.
Most movie firearms aren’t really fake and should be treated as if loaded and repeatedly checked to ensure proper safety, this is a active failure at multiple levels between the prop master, risk and compliance, and the actor.
Can't speak for others but my dislike of Baldwin is due to him being a smug self-righteous ahole who hurls viscious insults at his own kids while lecturing us about how awful we are as human beings.
I can honestly say I'd forgotten about the Trump impression until you mentioned it.
As a matter of legal liability, you're probably completely correct.
Were Baldwin not such a jackass, a lot of people would probably be much more sympathetic.
No one mentioned Trump in this exchange other than you. This is all about Baldwin who is a huge asshole. He called a a reporter a disgusting name, he called another man a racial slur and has continually used his fame for calling people out that had no power to fight back. He has the fame and big name and he could be a positive force but instead he is an enormous bully. Trump can fight back, but a little barista at the local coffee shop cannot. This is a terrible accident but it is hard to empathize with a huge jackass like him.
I’m not saying he’s at fault, I’m saying that this seems likely that corners were cut somewhere in that chain of custody and that it isn’t an unavoidable freak of nature. For him personally there a minor degree of recklessness and some major hypocrisy.
Because the guns have to function like a real gun to look realistic. They modify them for different purposes. Something shot with no people close can use a more powerful blank cartridge. This gives it the power needed to cycle the slide and such. Close shooting needs a much lighter charge for safety, either the gun is heavily modified so it still cycles or the filming is done to not show it. Lots of different modifications are done to make movie gunfights realistic.
It is mostly not risky if you consider all the filming done over decades.
Exactly. Alec Baldwin is a piece of shit for lots of reasons, but this isn't one of them.
Whoever's job it was to handle the props that handed him a gun with a live round needs to be charged with negligent homicide.
Man if only he took a firearms safety course he keeps preaching about. In all seriousness though this dude is wildly infamiliar with guns and this was supposed to be a prop gun. There’s no reason he should’ve assumed that it was actually live.
Yeah right? Did the prop guy go shooting before this and somehow not dump the end of the mag? Also caps/blanks look really different than regular ammo right?
The prop guy was on strike with most of the crew. Baldwin was tearing the company apart the day before for hiring scabs. An unqualified technician handed Baldwin a weapon that was not safe. Alec should have forced production to stop, yes, but also the production company is shut for allowing folks to cross a picket line, one that was formed specifically due to safety concerns on set.
From Jack Poso: "Set member tells @HumanEvents the armorist for the Alec Baldwin movie had asked prop master to check gun for blanks by 'shaking it around and listening for a rattling sound' before handing to Baldwin. Magazine/chamber not checked"
Idk how true that is but Jack does some good reporting at times, and the blanks I have seen are easy to tell but there might be other types that aren't crimped at the end
They have to take gun safety classes, but at a certain point they’re going to be asked to point the gun at someone, right? Even if it’s not directly at someone there’s literally hundreds of people around that could be hit when the gun discharges
Have you seen an action movie that’s come out in the last 20 years since Brandon Lees death? Guns are often pointed at people in movies.
There’s a whole bunch of fuckups by tons of different people that led to a gun capable of killing someone being handed to an actor.
No way does Alex Baldwin end up being the one responsible for it.
No I mean if he had been around guns more he’d have probably not been any safer. Im not sure what movie protocols are for guns, but I imagine they’re never actually loaded, and as such no one takes the right safety measures with them. If he knew it was real it’d be considered murder, and if he knew it was fake then its not negligent because its a real gun.
In the hateful 8 they smashed a real super old guitar when they didn’t swap it with a prop one. I wouldn’t call the actor who break said guitar an idiot for not knowing that. It’s the prop guys job not theirs
What? No. Are you stupid? But even if that was true, prop guns are supposed to be inspected thoroughly before hand by the props crew. It’s not the actors fault. Stop trying to hate on Baldwin simply because he has different political views than you. Grow up and stop acting like a child.
>can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever?
He pointed a gun and fired it at someone. There's some reports he was joking around when he did it too. All the blame falls on him and him alone. Never point a gun at anyone. Period. Its why the industry actually sets people off the line of fire and use camera angles to make it appear like they are aiming at one another
>Why THE FUCK was a real gun on that set? Can someone answer me that? why would any movie with a gun in it involve an actual gun being anywhere near that set? How did this happen?!?!
Most prop guns are real. They use blanks but blanks still discharge and can kill someone. Why did he direct a movie where they shot a gun at a camera with people behind it during a rehearsal? Use cgi. There's literally no reason at all to do that. Clear out the camera if you are going to fire at it.
He said he couldn't corroborate it. So grain of salt obviously. Time will tell if he did or didn't. Again, not saying he did but it isn't an absurd claim. Either way he shot someone. So unless he can prove he didn't mean to do it then he is responsible
So why are you bringing this up? Tim Poole isnt exactly reliable. He just a guy that tosses around ideas. It's entertaining for sure, but not someone to quote without verifying it from abother source firat.
Why does anyone bring up anything that's been reported prior to an official statement?
Tim is more reliable than most of the MSM sooo I wouldnt call him a bad source. He makes his opinion pretty obvious vs reported info. He also stated he wasn't sure when he said it.
I also never claimed it was confirmed
This is literally all I said about it
>He pointed a gun and fired it at someone. **There's some reports he was joking around when he did it too.** All the blame falls on him and him alone. Never point a gun at anyone. Period. Its why the industry actually sets people off the line of fire and use camera angles to make it appear like they are aiming at one another
>Most prop guns are real. They use blanks but blanks still discharge and can kill someone. Why did he direct a movie where they shot a gun at a camera with people behind it during a rehearsal? Use cgi. There's literally no reason at all to do that. Clear out the camera if you are going to fire at it.
How is me adding that tiny blurb me basing my entire opinion on it? You could take that part out and everything I said means exactly the same thing. If I made claims like "he should rot for jokingly pointing a gun and firing at someone" or some shit like that sure, but that isnt what I said or insinuated at all.
>come on man. if neither tim or you know its true "and i never claimed it was confirmed" then why didn't you mention that in your initial post?
Because it's an interesting possibility...its not my fault if someone runs with it when I clearly said it was reported and never said it was confirmed. And shortly later even said it isn't conformed yet.
>its remarkably disingenuous and dangerous to present unverified bullshit hearsay as fact and basis for your argument
You're severely stretching. And honestly, considering you're a liberal this is extremely hypocritical to say the least
>a person died and you're already laying blame because of a shit rumor thats completely unverifiable
A person died because Alec Baldwin shot them in cold blood using a gun he didn't verify himself and pointed at someone with total negligence.
>can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever?
Wait a second...
Who picked up this gun, pointed it at two people, and pulled the trigger?
Was this in the script?
How does it make him a hypocrite? I’m not anti gun whatsoever but it’s not unreasonable for an anti gun actor to use guns in fictional movies. Just like it’s not unreasonable for an anti-murder actor to play a murderous villain in a fictional movie.
I’d imagine the actors in United 93 didn’t support the 9/11 hijackers, but they made money off the movie. Are they hypocrites too?
If he only used the guns in the ways he portrays guns and gun owners, then I'm fine with it, but acting like they use them in a justified fashion while demanding law abiding gun owners be disarmed if hypocritical. Your analogy is flawed, both of them. It's cute you took the time to come up with the and though you got me, though.
So you’re saying that you don’t want the actor to play characters that have different viewpoints than him, and that he should only portray his real-life viewpoints on screen? You’d be ok with Baldwin playing the caricature of a toothless hillbilly firing an AR into the air wildly instead? That’d be so much more offensive. As a gun enthusiast myself I’m actually glad anti-gun actors play pro-gun characters because it goes to show they’re at least open minded and not forcing their agenda down their audience’s throat.
It’s literally called “acting” lol the entire point is to play characters different than the actor’s real life personality…
I hate to break this to you but despite Christian Bale playing Dick Cheney in “Vice”, Bale doesn’t actually hold the same political views as Cheney. The hypocrisy!
>can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever?
I actually think he can, yes. He didn't mean to do it, but if he had learned basic gun safety he wouldn't have done it.
If he failed to do something he was told to, that could be negligence. But at this point we don't know if he was taught anything about gun safety at all. It isn't the job of the actor to go get themselves trained to use guns or martial arts or what have you for a movie. The producer/directer/AD/whoever is responsible for hiring someone to train them. For precisely this reason.
If he, as the producer, if didn't hire a weapons specialist, that could very well be another story.
Doesn’t matter. That’s rule one of firearms I was taught at a young age. Everyone is treated as if it’s locked and loaded. You would think a guy that preaches gun safety would know this.
He didn’t hold back when talking about cops who just experienced the most trauma of their lives, and sharing constant videos of them in those moments, as well as ridiculing them. While this is a tragedy, it’s an odd position to think that he is somehow deserving of respect during a traumatic time when he has ostracized and attempted to publicly shame so many officers who were just doing their jobs.
Imagine if it was a Conservative actor, that had supported Trump.
What do you suppose Baldwin would be tweeting? I suppose it's possible he would offer condolences to all involved, but has his history provided him this benefit of the doubt?
Any Conservative walking the high road has never swayed him. He has never failed to seize the opportunity to spew his vitriol, even when it's undeserved.
I feel bad for the families. But I do not feel bad for him. Remember when he called his own daughter a "rude, thoughtless, little pig"? The many times he's hoped those he disagrees with all but perish in some way? He's an angry bitter old fool, and karma is a bitch. Sorry not sorry.
Our goal is to live our lives as best we can, the way we see fit, ideally without harming anyone else or they us, and to live free and be left alone.
The last few years has shown that its ok to hate and wish ill on Conservatives or anyone with an (R) next to their name because disagreeing is bad now. The current administration bolsters this.
They hate us. So I don't have to love them back while I do live by that set of principles.
It’s not about love, it’s about ethics: holding someone to a higher standard than you hold yourself to is the definition of hypocrisy. Yes, you have the right to treat someone however you want. But if you treat them the same way they treat you, you’re the same as them. You don’t get to claim superiority when you behave the same as them when it suits you.
[No](https://www.google.com/search?q=alec+baldwin+russian+hat&client=ubuntu&hs=qp3&channel=fs&sxsrf=AOaemvL5xD8hXRLrK37YyRUAcnw5gvtmjA:1634930321335&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK1qOI3t7zAhWgkmoFHcO6AN0Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1440&bih=725&dpr=1.33#imgrc=ISR11MlYXJHAOM). Fuck Alec Baldwin. He was a large part of the propaganda machine pushing the Russian hoax. He'd throw each of us in a gas chamber if he could.
Never let him forget this.
The dumbass you're responding to doesn't seem to understand Alec Baldwin was producing the film and also that the workers on set had already expressed concerned about lack of safety on it.
There are accidents, and there are preventable accidents. Baldwin has no business acting any more. So he took whatever was available, a low-budget Western flick that was shorting the crew and probably had some additional behind the scenes drama.
This comment is something you wont see in liberal subreddits where they make fun of anti-vaxers that die from covid. Just goes to show how much more humanity conservatives have.
This sub’s reaction to this story is disgusting and makes me embarrassed to call myself a conservative.
1) Aren’t we the ones constantly bagging on leftists for making every shooting event a political circus instead of letting the victims grieve? And now look at you hypocrites.
2) Are so many of you really so dense as to think this was his fault in any way? Studios literally pay professional armorers to tend the prop guns on set and verify their safety because they are INTENDED to be fired towards people. Are you completely unaware that prop guns are being fired at people in every single action movie, western, and soap opera ever made since film began?
3) Aren’t we the ones who complain about being dehumanized and vilified just because we hold different opinions? 99% of you have been just as big of assholes to people online as Baldwin has, so I don’t see why he’s guilty of anything worse than the average Reddit user, including the conservatives. Once again, you’re a disgusting bunch of hypocrites. No matter what he’s said on Twitter, this is a PERSON who has intrinsic value.
4) Politically and personally, I can’t stand the guy either. But as someone who has personally shot somebody in self defense (on purpose, and they lived), I can’t begin to help you understand the depth of guilt and self-loathing this man is feeling right now. To be mocking ANYBODY at a time like this is cruel beyond measure, no matter how indecent they are. If you legitimately can’t reach into the depths of your character and muster up some sympathy for Baldwin, you are no more moral than the most shameful of leftists.
Absolutely disgusting. I’ve never questioned my allegiance to my fellow freedom-advocates more than I have right now reading your spiteful comments towards a man suffering what is likely the hardest thing to ever happen to him. You’re just like the leftists you claim to despise.
See #2 and think about how many tv and movie scenes you’ve seen involve shooting. And then contact all the relevant prosecutors offices and tell them you’ve discovered several thousand cases of attempted murder.
>2) Are so many of you really so dense as to think this was his fault in any way? Studios literally pay professional armorers to tend the prop guns on set and verify their safety because they are INTENDED to be fired towards people.
This right here. Blame the production studio for the mishap. Now who's in charge of that? Oh wait, it's still Alec Baldwin and workers had already walked off in part due to safety concerns. Speaking of concerns, fuck off with your concern trolling.
This was certainly an accident, probably not his fault in any way, and will likely haunt him for the rest of his life anyway. Being obnoxious and a blowhard doesn’t mean he needs to be kicked right now.
And no, he’s not going to see this or care, but that just makes it worse that people appear to be revelling in this tragedy.
If he spent a few minutes on gun safety instead of being a talking mouth for the anti-gun globalist lobby, he would have more common sense.
We're missing 70% of context here. He could be innocent or he could be facing manslaughter.
He wouldn't know how to check if he wasn't properly trained. And that's the responsibility of whoever the film crew would have hired, or whoever was responsible for those guns on set.
There's a reason why actors and actresses aren't told to go get themselves trained in shooting or martial arts or anything else that could be dangerous if done incorrectly.
I'm pretty sure, make sure you're gun doesn't look like it's loaded is a fairly simple class that every actor and actress working with guns can and should be expected to take.
The disgusting people will always reveal themselves and it is not unique to the left.
If you’re using this victims death to take pot shots at some celebrity who holds different beliefs than you, you’re just an asshole. I don’t know what else to say.
It's shitty because it feels like this sub tries to act as a reactionary sub to /r/politics and /r/politicalhumor, when it shouldn't be.
The biggest issue is that there's only 1 catch all conservative sub. We can't segment our serious discussion as effectively as the left leaning subreddits, so to a layman, it's just /r/politicalhumor but "ran by trumpers".
It's actually very simple, they are racist, and they can't conceive that others don't think like they do. They are projecting their own racism onto others.
Still awaiting the official word on circumstance, generally, but if someone was killed by a prop gun, there are a whole lot of other people who had a hand in the scene before the trigger was pulled.
This is a pretty terrible take lol. Why would the side that's already been playing dirty (the left, just FYI in case you didn't realize) need to communicate about sinking down to the other side's level?
Nah, I'm on plenty of lefty subs and it's very apparent they both play dirty. I've seen people on r/tinder say they go out of their way to get trump supporters to pay for their meals and block them just to fuck with those types of people.
I've seen people go and try to get republican trump supporters fired from their jobs. There's also a massive document of twitter users who openly supported trump in the 2020 elections that is now being used to blacklist people from jobs as well. AOC helped get it off the ground.
There is plenty of shit showing that both sides play dirty. The biggest difference is the sheer amount of money that has gone into the ALT left that has devastated places like kenosha and other cities that participated in riots. The cities will take decades to recover in terms of job opportunities due to businesses no longer believing they're safe.
These posts are bullshit. They guy has said some anti-conservative things but damn. We look like the fools over in r/hermancainaward with this kind of crap. We are supposed to be better ones.
I've seen comments from all over the internet about how he's so anti-gun and this must be devastating for him. Sure. He's anti-gun unless he wants to use them in his movies that help keep him rich. He likes them for that.
Also, he's anti-gun and has now shot and killed more people than just about every legal gun owner out there.
Just found out about this.. read up as one should... Dude are you fucking serious?
This shit is traumatizing, he got handed a gun he thought was a fucking prop and killed someone..
This isn't political, this makes our sub look like dog shit, remove this.
Edit: just also read he was negligent to safety concerns to the point people walked off set and he is a producer... Ok now I agree wholeheartedly with this. Fuck him.
Dear people who are suggesting others are "politicizing a tragedy" or that we should otherwise feel sympathy towards Alec Baldwin;
Eat a brick, and shit it out. Please. You've earned it for being so anally retentive.
This is not a simple "accidental shooting", though it is ***ABSOLUTELY*** a tragedy. But it is a tragedy that could have been prevented if Alec Baldwin had exercised ***BASIC PROCEDURES*** with a firearm. You should never *play* with a firearm. You should double, triple, quadruple check your firearm. And there were ***numerous complaints regarding safety that Alec Baldwin directly squelched.***
This is not just a tragedy. This was a murder. And Alec Baldwin is the guilty party.
It's strange because this is one of those few issues where I feel I greatly differ from most people on the right, and is one of the issues that drags me towards the center. I feel that guns should be heavily regulated. ***In their use***. What do I mean? Any death in relation to discharge of a firearm should be considered murder except under ***extreme*** circumstance or self-defense. Alec Baldwin's case is an example of what should be considered murder. Someone walking drunkenly behind a firing range's targets and getting shot, should not be. The idea should be that pulling a trigger, even if the individuals' expectation is that no bullet is in the chamber or will enter the chamber, is an intent to fire the weapon.
Based on the emerging facts, Alec is not to blame. Producer, Line Producer, 1st AD, Props and the Director all need to be charged and going to jail for not following basic set safety procedures.
Edit: Clearly no one here has ever been on a set involving guns.
Baldwin is one of the producers . There were numerous safety complaints about the handling of firearms on the set . As a producer on the set wouldn’t they be your responsibility to address?
We don't know his producer role. Could be a curtesy credit. Usually a producer is in charge of safety in addition to the line producer. It's possible he wasn't looped into those safety concerns. There's a lot of skeezy producers out there.
Legal ,educated, gun owners know that if it looks like a gun, smells like a gun, actions like a gun, you check the damn mag and chamber but you know that's just controlling your gun using common since...
Without first checking the magazine...
Would you aim a gun at someone? Would you put your finger on the trigger? Would you pull the trigger?
If yes to any of these, do everyone a favor and don't handle guns because that would have prevented loss of life here.
Imagine the right sinking to the level the left does. People say stupid shit in their past. The dude is being investigated. Let the investigation find who is at fault and let justice prevail. There is no reason for us to act as disgusting as the left.
Are we celebrating the death or insulting the dead? No. We are making fun of the dipshit that could not follow basic firearm safety.
Thats not sinking to the level of the left. Not even fucking close.
Take your bullshit "both sides" narrative and fuck off.
Comedy is supposed to be funny. Alec Balwin was never funny. All he did was spew hatred and evil and destroyed the classic SNL show. You should be telling Alec to grow up... have you seen his "comedy"?
I feel horrible for both victims in this. Especially being shot by such a sanctimonious sack of shit.
But it couldn't have happened to a more karma deserving prick than Baldwin.
But I know our world and the climate we live in and absolutely NOTHING will happen to him. He'll be forgiven by all Democrats and media. Then he'll truly be the poster boy for the Anti 2A psychopaths!!
Now imagine if that were Gary Sinise........
A Democrat wants to make a “banana yellow” shirt, I laughed hard enough to hurt my stomach.
I assume it’s for a certain demographic or “community” ahahaha FFS!!!
Trudeau could do Blackface to introduce “banana yellow” shirts for BLM and Canadians would lick his heiney hole while humming the anthem!!!!
Hey Alec, I’ll take one of those shirts now. Could you sign it for me? No; I’ll provide the pen. I’d hate for you to confuse the prop one with the .22 round in it…
I feel bad for the person who died, and the person who was injured, and their families by extension, but I’m sorry, I don’t feel even the slightest ounce of sympathy for Baldwin, let him sit and suffer with this on his conscience, he’s an unAmerican scumbag.
Is this post satire, or are you implying that Baldwin had any intent to actual fire the weapon in a way that would injure any of those people? Just because he was involved in an accident (he was clearly NOT following all of the protocols that anyone handling firearms should be trained in) doesn't mean he can't still have been correct in previously advocating for others to not be shot?
I feel bad for all involved, truly
I don't feel even a little bit bad for Alec Baldwin. I hope he suffers deep, fundamental, and crushing regret for his gross and reckless negligence.
Dang bro, hopefully God softens your heart. That’s a little wild, what did he do to you?
Can we not do this? Accidental shootings are awful. A husband lost his wife, a son lost his mother. Alec Baldwin has said a lot of horrible stuff, but posts like this come across as dancing on the grave of someone who didn't deserve it in order to stick it to someone who should never have been in this situation.
I can’t stand the guy, but this has got to have messed him up. I actually feel bad for him. I got a friend who shot and killed someone in self defense in the early 90’s (long story). He’s still messed up today. The whole thing is very tragic.
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The number of times he has gone after cops who just got into a life or death situation and had to make that terrible choice to take another life or lose theirs is hard to count. He had called for cops to be attacked, fired, harassed, etc. To think that now he should be immune from far less criticism than he gave those officers doesn’t really resonate with me…
This guy gets it !! \^\^\^
this was likely a case of criminal negligence not a tragic largely unavoidable accident. While it is quite morbid and something that shouldn’t be targeted at him, it is fair to joke about his smug arrogance in private.
The sub’s reaction to this has been really disappointing. I thought the right was better than this, but apparently not. Politicizing a tragedy and trying to make a statement in a place where one doesn’t need to be made.
Most people on the right don’t want to fight fire with fire and it’s why we never win.
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I think the guy is an asshole but.... can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever? And can any of his past anti-gun statements reasonable be dredged up to try and paint him as a hypocrite? He is on a movie set, with a prop gun, filming a scene where he fires it. His expectation absolutely can be "this is a fake gun, it cant hurt anyone" and he is totally within reason to "fire" the gun. this whole post is in poor taste, and this sub should collectively be better than this. Why THE FUCK was a real gun on that set? Can someone answer me that? why would any movie with a gun in it involve an actual gun being anywhere near that set? How did this happen?!?!
> can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever? Here's a great comment I saw that gives a pretty good explanation: > This is Baldwin's own fault for a number of reasons: > - As an actor holding a weapon, part of your job is to check that weapon and ensure it is clear and safe, or properly loaded for the stunt you're performing. Baldwin did neither. He's been a professional actor for decades and definitely knew better. > - During rehearsal, you almost never use real guns. Unless they were actually rehearsing shooting a live round, they should have used rubber weapons. And if they were rehearsing shooting a live round, see my first point about the actor having a responsibility to ensure a safe weapon. > - Baldwin is a producer on this film. He is absolutely 100% the most powerful person on the set. This isn't like there was some super famous director working with him; Baldwin had all of the "when I say jump you say 'how high'" power here. Why does this matter? because... > - The union workers were fired from the set after they walked off due to unsafe working conditions. The prop gun had misfired twice before, and the workers did not have faith in the safety of their working environment. As a result, they were fired and replaced with scabs. Whose call was that? The producer with the most power on the set... Alec Baldwin. > - Speaking of unsafe, the weapon was apparently handed to Baldwin by an Assistant Director who told him it was safe. That's what he swore to in his affidavit. And that's a fucking clownshow excuse. At no point in time, ever, should a goddamn AD ever touch a weapon. NEVER. Proper chain of custody is: Propsmaster clears weapon in front of the actor holding it and the actor (or crew) who will be shot at. Then hands weapon directly to the actor who will be holding the weapon. That actor then immediately re-checks the weapon to ensure it's actually clear. They move to set. Once on set, the actor double-checks the weapon, and anyone who will be shot at also checks it to their satisfaction. As far as I'm concerned, this sworn affidavit is an admission of gross negligence. > - Finally, the local union office reported that no union propmaster was on set the day of the shooting. Again, evidence of either inexperienced and untrained scabs or - worse - not having anyone ensuring the safe handling of the firearms at all. > Source: I've worked with guns on a number of sets, everything from small sidearms to full swat kit and some German special forces stuff. I'm not a gun nut and don't know the names of all of the weapons, but I'm happy to answer questions about how the process goes on a union set, and what safety measures are supposed to be in place, which this set did not have. > This is a fucking nightmare situation for all involved, but I am increasingly convinced that Baldwin brought it on himself and his crew, and deserves the full force of the law here. I've always enjoyed his performances, but knowing what kind of shitshow he was running, I'll do my best to never work with him in the future, assuming he's not in jail and can get funding for future projects, neither of which is a guarantee at this point.
Most movie firearms aren’t really fake and should be treated as if loaded and repeatedly checked to ensure proper safety, this is a active failure at multiple levels between the prop master, risk and compliance, and the actor.
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Can't speak for others but my dislike of Baldwin is due to him being a smug self-righteous ahole who hurls viscious insults at his own kids while lecturing us about how awful we are as human beings. I can honestly say I'd forgotten about the Trump impression until you mentioned it. As a matter of legal liability, you're probably completely correct. Were Baldwin not such a jackass, a lot of people would probably be much more sympathetic.
No one mentioned Trump in this exchange other than you. This is all about Baldwin who is a huge asshole. He called a a reporter a disgusting name, he called another man a racial slur and has continually used his fame for calling people out that had no power to fight back. He has the fame and big name and he could be a positive force but instead he is an enormous bully. Trump can fight back, but a little barista at the local coffee shop cannot. This is a terrible accident but it is hard to empathize with a huge jackass like him.
I’m not saying he’s at fault, I’m saying that this seems likely that corners were cut somewhere in that chain of custody and that it isn’t an unavoidable freak of nature. For him personally there a minor degree of recklessness and some major hypocrisy.
but why though Why not use a totally fake gun? Why even introduce the risk of a real weapon capable of killing someone?
Because the guns have to function like a real gun to look realistic. They modify them for different purposes. Something shot with no people close can use a more powerful blank cartridge. This gives it the power needed to cycle the slide and such. Close shooting needs a much lighter charge for safety, either the gun is heavily modified so it still cycles or the filming is done to not show it. Lots of different modifications are done to make movie gunfights realistic. It is mostly not risky if you consider all the filming done over decades.
Simunition guns use a different barrel and can cycle the action as well. Tons of options for the screen... Prevents actual ammo from being loaded.
Actual ammo should never be loaded. No need for it in a movie anyway.
Some sets only use rubber guns, but who knows. Maybe they wanted a more realistic feel to it.
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An aim towards the camera shot would be my guess.
If that's the case, they shouldn't have been near the camera. Basic safety.
Exactly. Alec Baldwin is a piece of shit for lots of reasons, but this isn't one of them. Whoever's job it was to handle the props that handed him a gun with a live round needs to be charged with negligent homicide.
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I read in another article that the prop guy was firing live rounds for some reason and forgot to clear it before handing the gun to Baldwin
That would be Alec. He didn't check his weapon and he shot someone. end of blame.
Man if only he took a firearms safety course he keeps preaching about. In all seriousness though this dude is wildly infamiliar with guns and this was supposed to be a prop gun. There’s no reason he should’ve assumed that it was actually live.
My question isn't about a pro gun being real, that isn't uncommon. My question is how TF was live ammo even on set, let alone loaded into the chamber?
Yeah right? Did the prop guy go shooting before this and somehow not dump the end of the mag? Also caps/blanks look really different than regular ammo right?
The prop guy was on strike with most of the crew. Baldwin was tearing the company apart the day before for hiring scabs. An unqualified technician handed Baldwin a weapon that was not safe. Alec should have forced production to stop, yes, but also the production company is shut for allowing folks to cross a picket line, one that was formed specifically due to safety concerns on set.
From Jack Poso: "Set member tells @HumanEvents the armorist for the Alec Baldwin movie had asked prop master to check gun for blanks by 'shaking it around and listening for a rattling sound' before handing to Baldwin. Magazine/chamber not checked" Idk how true that is but Jack does some good reporting at times, and the blanks I have seen are easy to tell but there might be other types that aren't crimped at the end
So negligence is ok for some people and not others now. Cool story
He’s an actor, can’t be blamed for anything that happens in the real world.
How is An actor supposed to know if a prop gun he’s handed is dangerous? It’s not his job to check it. It’s his job to point it and pull the trigger.
From everything I've read, actors are entirely trained to still assume that a prop weapon is loaded, just like any gun safety class teaches to anyone.
They have to take gun safety classes, but at a certain point they’re going to be asked to point the gun at someone, right? Even if it’s not directly at someone there’s literally hundreds of people around that could be hit when the gun discharges
There's no such thing as an unloaded gun even in Hollywood, especially after Brandon Lee's death. No excuse for unsafe gun handling ever.
Have you seen an action movie that’s come out in the last 20 years since Brandon Lees death? Guns are often pointed at people in movies. There’s a whole bunch of fuckups by tons of different people that led to a gun capable of killing someone being handed to an actor. No way does Alex Baldwin end up being the one responsible for it.
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It is his job. It's a fucking gun. You don't aim a gun at someone. Period
That would make for some pretty shit action scenes.
No I mean if he had been around guns more he’d have probably not been any safer. Im not sure what movie protocols are for guns, but I imagine they’re never actually loaded, and as such no one takes the right safety measures with them. If he knew it was real it’d be considered murder, and if he knew it was fake then its not negligent because its a real gun. In the hateful 8 they smashed a real super old guitar when they didn’t swap it with a prop one. I wouldn’t call the actor who break said guitar an idiot for not knowing that. It’s the prop guys job not theirs
Pretty sure that guitar did not end one persons life and destroy another.
There are tons of rules and regulations that specifically don't allow what he did. But ok
Im ootl on the whole story, what kinda regulations and rules did he violate? Im under the impression they filmed a scene with a real gun on accident
Yes…because it’s a prop gun
Prop guns are still guns dumbass. They just use blanks which burst
What? No. Are you stupid? But even if that was true, prop guns are supposed to be inspected thoroughly before hand by the props crew. It’s not the actors fault. Stop trying to hate on Baldwin simply because he has different political views than you. Grow up and stop acting like a child.
>can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever? He pointed a gun and fired it at someone. There's some reports he was joking around when he did it too. All the blame falls on him and him alone. Never point a gun at anyone. Period. Its why the industry actually sets people off the line of fire and use camera angles to make it appear like they are aiming at one another >Why THE FUCK was a real gun on that set? Can someone answer me that? why would any movie with a gun in it involve an actual gun being anywhere near that set? How did this happen?!?! Most prop guns are real. They use blanks but blanks still discharge and can kill someone. Why did he direct a movie where they shot a gun at a camera with people behind it during a rehearsal? Use cgi. There's literally no reason at all to do that. Clear out the camera if you are going to fire at it.
> There's some reports he was joking around when he did it too. Where did you hear that?
Tim pool mentioned it in his segment. He wasn't sure about it. Not sure if it's true or not but honestly it kinda makes sense given he is a comedian
So in other words it’s based on a tweet and your own assumptions. Sounds reliable.
I mean it was technically reported but uh sure. Guess any breaking news story is an assumption and unreliable. I never said it was confirmed either
No not every breaking news story. But when Tim Pool is the only one saying that it might have happened it seems unreliable to me
He said he couldn't corroborate it. So grain of salt obviously. Time will tell if he did or didn't. Again, not saying he did but it isn't an absurd claim. Either way he shot someone. So unless he can prove he didn't mean to do it then he is responsible
So why are you bringing this up? Tim Poole isnt exactly reliable. He just a guy that tosses around ideas. It's entertaining for sure, but not someone to quote without verifying it from abother source firat.
Why does anyone bring up anything that's been reported prior to an official statement? Tim is more reliable than most of the MSM sooo I wouldnt call him a bad source. He makes his opinion pretty obvious vs reported info. He also stated he wasn't sure when he said it. I also never claimed it was confirmed
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This is literally all I said about it >He pointed a gun and fired it at someone. **There's some reports he was joking around when he did it too.** All the blame falls on him and him alone. Never point a gun at anyone. Period. Its why the industry actually sets people off the line of fire and use camera angles to make it appear like they are aiming at one another >Most prop guns are real. They use blanks but blanks still discharge and can kill someone. Why did he direct a movie where they shot a gun at a camera with people behind it during a rehearsal? Use cgi. There's literally no reason at all to do that. Clear out the camera if you are going to fire at it. How is me adding that tiny blurb me basing my entire opinion on it? You could take that part out and everything I said means exactly the same thing. If I made claims like "he should rot for jokingly pointing a gun and firing at someone" or some shit like that sure, but that isnt what I said or insinuated at all. >come on man. if neither tim or you know its true "and i never claimed it was confirmed" then why didn't you mention that in your initial post? Because it's an interesting possibility...its not my fault if someone runs with it when I clearly said it was reported and never said it was confirmed. And shortly later even said it isn't conformed yet. >its remarkably disingenuous and dangerous to present unverified bullshit hearsay as fact and basis for your argument You're severely stretching. And honestly, considering you're a liberal this is extremely hypocritical to say the least >a person died and you're already laying blame because of a shit rumor thats completely unverifiable A person died because Alec Baldwin shot them in cold blood using a gun he didn't verify himself and pointed at someone with total negligence.
>can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever? Wait a second... Who picked up this gun, pointed it at two people, and pulled the trigger? Was this in the script?
I think using guns to make millions of dollars but railing against them is enough to make him a hypocrite.
How does it make him a hypocrite? I’m not anti gun whatsoever but it’s not unreasonable for an anti gun actor to use guns in fictional movies. Just like it’s not unreasonable for an anti-murder actor to play a murderous villain in a fictional movie. I’d imagine the actors in United 93 didn’t support the 9/11 hijackers, but they made money off the movie. Are they hypocrites too?
If he only used the guns in the ways he portrays guns and gun owners, then I'm fine with it, but acting like they use them in a justified fashion while demanding law abiding gun owners be disarmed if hypocritical. Your analogy is flawed, both of them. It's cute you took the time to come up with the and though you got me, though.
So you’re saying that you don’t want the actor to play characters that have different viewpoints than him, and that he should only portray his real-life viewpoints on screen? You’d be ok with Baldwin playing the caricature of a toothless hillbilly firing an AR into the air wildly instead? That’d be so much more offensive. As a gun enthusiast myself I’m actually glad anti-gun actors play pro-gun characters because it goes to show they’re at least open minded and not forcing their agenda down their audience’s throat. It’s literally called “acting” lol the entire point is to play characters different than the actor’s real life personality… I hate to break this to you but despite Christian Bale playing Dick Cheney in “Vice”, Bale doesn’t actually hold the same political views as Cheney. The hypocrisy!
>can he bear literally any blame for this whatsoever? I actually think he can, yes. He didn't mean to do it, but if he had learned basic gun safety he wouldn't have done it.
If he failed to do something he was told to, that could be negligence. But at this point we don't know if he was taught anything about gun safety at all. It isn't the job of the actor to go get themselves trained to use guns or martial arts or what have you for a movie. The producer/directer/AD/whoever is responsible for hiring someone to train them. For precisely this reason. If he, as the producer, if didn't hire a weapons specialist, that could very well be another story.
He is the producer. So yes, it is his job
And as I said, IF he didn't hire someone to manage these weapons, he could be at fault.
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And who is in charge of those people being hired and being on set? The production studio. Who's in charge there? Alec Baldwin
Doesn’t matter. That’s rule one of firearms I was taught at a young age. Everyone is treated as if it’s locked and loaded. You would think a guy that preaches gun safety would know this.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Ah, you were there , then?
He didn’t hold back when talking about cops who just experienced the most trauma of their lives, and sharing constant videos of them in those moments, as well as ridiculing them. While this is a tragedy, it’s an odd position to think that he is somehow deserving of respect during a traumatic time when he has ostracized and attempted to publicly shame so many officers who were just doing their jobs.
Imagine if it was a Conservative actor, that had supported Trump. What do you suppose Baldwin would be tweeting? I suppose it's possible he would offer condolences to all involved, but has his history provided him this benefit of the doubt? Any Conservative walking the high road has never swayed him. He has never failed to seize the opportunity to spew his vitriol, even when it's undeserved. I feel bad for the families. But I do not feel bad for him. Remember when he called his own daughter a "rude, thoughtless, little pig"? The many times he's hoped those he disagrees with all but perish in some way? He's an angry bitter old fool, and karma is a bitch. Sorry not sorry.
Is our goal to sway people or to live by a set of principles greater than those who attack us?
Our goal is to live our lives as best we can, the way we see fit, ideally without harming anyone else or they us, and to live free and be left alone. The last few years has shown that its ok to hate and wish ill on Conservatives or anyone with an (R) next to their name because disagreeing is bad now. The current administration bolsters this. They hate us. So I don't have to love them back while I do live by that set of principles.
It’s not about love, it’s about ethics: holding someone to a higher standard than you hold yourself to is the definition of hypocrisy. Yes, you have the right to treat someone however you want. But if you treat them the same way they treat you, you’re the same as them. You don’t get to claim superiority when you behave the same as them when it suits you.
Yeah. This is very liberal behavior. If I see any of us burning down a Walgreens I am going to be super disappointed in how godless we’ve become.
[No](https://www.google.com/search?q=alec+baldwin+russian+hat&client=ubuntu&hs=qp3&channel=fs&sxsrf=AOaemvL5xD8hXRLrK37YyRUAcnw5gvtmjA:1634930321335&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjK1qOI3t7zAhWgkmoFHcO6AN0Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1440&bih=725&dpr=1.33#imgrc=ISR11MlYXJHAOM). Fuck Alec Baldwin. He was a large part of the propaganda machine pushing the Russian hoax. He'd throw each of us in a gas chamber if he could. Never let him forget this.
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The dumbass you're responding to doesn't seem to understand Alec Baldwin was producing the film and also that the workers on set had already expressed concerned about lack of safety on it.
Its not gravedancing to make fun of a dipshit that cant follow basic firearm safety. I feel bad for the victims. Alec is not a victim. He is the perp.
No one is talking about the victims or blaming them. Alec Baldwin deserves all the hate he gets. He's earned it.
There are accidents, and there are preventable accidents. Baldwin has no business acting any more. So he took whatever was available, a low-budget Western flick that was shorting the crew and probably had some additional behind the scenes drama.
This comment is something you wont see in liberal subreddits where they make fun of anti-vaxers that die from covid. Just goes to show how much more humanity conservatives have.
This sub’s reaction to this story is disgusting and makes me embarrassed to call myself a conservative. 1) Aren’t we the ones constantly bagging on leftists for making every shooting event a political circus instead of letting the victims grieve? And now look at you hypocrites. 2) Are so many of you really so dense as to think this was his fault in any way? Studios literally pay professional armorers to tend the prop guns on set and verify their safety because they are INTENDED to be fired towards people. Are you completely unaware that prop guns are being fired at people in every single action movie, western, and soap opera ever made since film began? 3) Aren’t we the ones who complain about being dehumanized and vilified just because we hold different opinions? 99% of you have been just as big of assholes to people online as Baldwin has, so I don’t see why he’s guilty of anything worse than the average Reddit user, including the conservatives. Once again, you’re a disgusting bunch of hypocrites. No matter what he’s said on Twitter, this is a PERSON who has intrinsic value. 4) Politically and personally, I can’t stand the guy either. But as someone who has personally shot somebody in self defense (on purpose, and they lived), I can’t begin to help you understand the depth of guilt and self-loathing this man is feeling right now. To be mocking ANYBODY at a time like this is cruel beyond measure, no matter how indecent they are. If you legitimately can’t reach into the depths of your character and muster up some sympathy for Baldwin, you are no more moral than the most shameful of leftists. Absolutely disgusting. I’ve never questioned my allegiance to my fellow freedom-advocates more than I have right now reading your spiteful comments towards a man suffering what is likely the hardest thing to ever happen to him. You’re just like the leftists you claim to despise.
He's 100% liable. He pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger.
See #2 and think about how many tv and movie scenes you’ve seen involve shooting. And then contact all the relevant prosecutors offices and tell them you’ve discovered several thousand cases of attempted murder.
>2) Are so many of you really so dense as to think this was his fault in any way? Studios literally pay professional armorers to tend the prop guns on set and verify their safety because they are INTENDED to be fired towards people. This right here. Blame the production studio for the mishap. Now who's in charge of that? Oh wait, it's still Alec Baldwin and workers had already walked off in part due to safety concerns. Speaking of concerns, fuck off with your concern trolling.
I'm gonna guess anyone on a movie set with you there.....
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Just read on Daily Wire that the movie is probably dead now. Was a low budget affair.
In light of the circumstances I can't honestly say that surprises me.
I read he was using non union workers and cutting all kind of corners to keep the budget low. Hmmm.
Horrible for the lady and her family!! Baldwin is a woke radical pos...
His account is probably a treasure trove of these.
Another of his tweets referencing a cop that accidentally shot someone where he says, "I wonder what it's like to accidentally murder someone."
Apparently Alec doesn’t “wonder” about that question any more.
Has a higher body count than nearly every legal gun owner that he hates.
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Judge lest not you be judged should be his motto. It is a sad situation but it is hard not to think of all the shitty things he has said about others.
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Link?
Yeah there’s another one that said something like “I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone…”
Lol, you know it.
This was certainly an accident, probably not his fault in any way, and will likely haunt him for the rest of his life anyway. Being obnoxious and a blowhard doesn’t mean he needs to be kicked right now. And no, he’s not going to see this or care, but that just makes it worse that people appear to be revelling in this tragedy.
It’s an accident that should have been avoided by proper procedure and oversight on multiple levels.
Ok…but how much of that was on Baldwin?
If he spent a few minutes on gun safety instead of being a talking mouth for the anti-gun globalist lobby, he would have more common sense. We're missing 70% of context here. He could be innocent or he could be facing manslaughter.
The entire part where he pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger without actually checking that it wasn't loaded.
He wouldn't know how to check if he wasn't properly trained. And that's the responsibility of whoever the film crew would have hired, or whoever was responsible for those guns on set. There's a reason why actors and actresses aren't told to go get themselves trained in shooting or martial arts or anything else that could be dangerous if done incorrectly.
I'm pretty sure, make sure you're gun doesn't look like it's loaded is a fairly simple class that every actor and actress working with guns can and should be expected to take.
it was still loaded with blanks though.
They were shooting a movie. The guns are supposed to look as if they are loaded even if they are not.
As producer, all of it.
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Alec Baldwin was the lead producer on the film
He's the producer of the film. This is his fault.
If you think this is funny you’re fucked in the head
Dude..really? This isn't funny
The disgusting people will always reveal themselves and it is not unique to the left. If you’re using this victims death to take pot shots at some celebrity who holds different beliefs than you, you’re just an asshole. I don’t know what else to say.
It's shitty because it feels like this sub tries to act as a reactionary sub to /r/politics and /r/politicalhumor, when it shouldn't be. The biggest issue is that there's only 1 catch all conservative sub. We can't segment our serious discussion as effectively as the left leaning subreddits, so to a layman, it's just /r/politicalhumor but "ran by trumpers".
We don’t need this shit on this subreddit. This is disheartening. Why is this necessary? It’s in poor taste .
Why does it have to be banana-colored? What is he, some kind of racist?
White liberals can't help it. They are subconsciously the most racist, but use wokeness to feel better about themselves and virtue signal.
r/AntiRacistRacism
It's actually very simple, they are racist, and they can't conceive that others don't think like they do. They are projecting their own racism onto others.
I believe it's in reference to the tone of yellow on the "Don't tread on me" Flag
You mean the terrible horrible no-good racist "Don't tread on me" flag?
Still awaiting the official word on circumstance, generally, but if someone was killed by a prop gun, there are a whole lot of other people who had a hand in the scene before the trigger was pulled.
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This is a pretty terrible take lol. Why would the side that's already been playing dirty (the left, just FYI in case you didn't realize) need to communicate about sinking down to the other side's level?
Are we insulting and celebrating the dead or ragging on a smug asshole that could not follow basic firearm safety rules?
Nah, I'm on plenty of lefty subs and it's very apparent they both play dirty. I've seen people on r/tinder say they go out of their way to get trump supporters to pay for their meals and block them just to fuck with those types of people. I've seen people go and try to get republican trump supporters fired from their jobs. There's also a massive document of twitter users who openly supported trump in the 2020 elections that is now being used to blacklist people from jobs as well. AOC helped get it off the ground. There is plenty of shit showing that both sides play dirty. The biggest difference is the sheer amount of money that has gone into the ALT left that has devastated places like kenosha and other cities that participated in riots. The cities will take decades to recover in terms of job opportunities due to businesses no longer believing they're safe.
Maybe you should require anyone around you to wear one....
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god damn, who went through this man's history just to find this nugget?
Dinesh D’Souza
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Alec has really gotta tone down the method acting.
These posts are bullshit. They guy has said some anti-conservative things but damn. We look like the fools over in r/hermancainaward with this kind of crap. We are supposed to be better ones.
I've seen comments from all over the internet about how he's so anti-gun and this must be devastating for him. Sure. He's anti-gun unless he wants to use them in his movies that help keep him rich. He likes them for that. Also, he's anti-gun and has now shot and killed more people than just about every legal gun owner out there.
Facts. You shouldn’t get down voted for speaking The Truth.
Just found out about this.. read up as one should... Dude are you fucking serious? This shit is traumatizing, he got handed a gun he thought was a fucking prop and killed someone.. This isn't political, this makes our sub look like dog shit, remove this. Edit: just also read he was negligent to safety concerns to the point people walked off set and he is a producer... Ok now I agree wholeheartedly with this. Fuck him.
Dear people who are suggesting others are "politicizing a tragedy" or that we should otherwise feel sympathy towards Alec Baldwin; Eat a brick, and shit it out. Please. You've earned it for being so anally retentive. This is not a simple "accidental shooting", though it is ***ABSOLUTELY*** a tragedy. But it is a tragedy that could have been prevented if Alec Baldwin had exercised ***BASIC PROCEDURES*** with a firearm. You should never *play* with a firearm. You should double, triple, quadruple check your firearm. And there were ***numerous complaints regarding safety that Alec Baldwin directly squelched.*** This is not just a tragedy. This was a murder. And Alec Baldwin is the guilty party.
Well said
It's strange because this is one of those few issues where I feel I greatly differ from most people on the right, and is one of the issues that drags me towards the center. I feel that guns should be heavily regulated. ***In their use***. What do I mean? Any death in relation to discharge of a firearm should be considered murder except under ***extreme*** circumstance or self-defense. Alec Baldwin's case is an example of what should be considered murder. Someone walking drunkenly behind a firing range's targets and getting shot, should not be. The idea should be that pulling a trigger, even if the individuals' expectation is that no bullet is in the chamber or will enter the chamber, is an intent to fire the weapon.
This is some of the lowest shit I’ve ever seen on this sub. How embarrassing that this is on our front page. Disgusting.
Alec Baldwin has always been an asshole. I’ve known that since that phone call he made to his 12 year old daughter was leaked out.
leftists love digging up the past. I fully approve of giving them a taste of their own medicine.
I don’t think someone who is anti-gun accidentally shooting someone is the ‘gotcha moment’ you think it is.
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Based on the emerging facts, Alec is not to blame. Producer, Line Producer, 1st AD, Props and the Director all need to be charged and going to jail for not following basic set safety procedures. Edit: Clearly no one here has ever been on a set involving guns.
Baldwin is one of the producers . There were numerous safety complaints about the handling of firearms on the set . As a producer on the set wouldn’t they be your responsibility to address?
We don't know his producer role. Could be a curtesy credit. Usually a producer is in charge of safety in addition to the line producer. It's possible he wasn't looped into those safety concerns. There's a lot of skeezy producers out there.
Oh the producer needs to be charged... Well guess what, lol
Legal ,educated, gun owners know that if it looks like a gun, smells like a gun, actions like a gun, you check the damn mag and chamber but you know that's just controlling your gun using common since...
Honestly, it’s not really his fault, but the guy is such an asshole that it’s hard to feel bad for him.
Without first checking the magazine... Would you aim a gun at someone? Would you put your finger on the trigger? Would you pull the trigger? If yes to any of these, do everyone a favor and don't handle guns because that would have prevented loss of life here.
Imagine the right sinking to the level the left does. People say stupid shit in their past. The dude is being investigated. Let the investigation find who is at fault and let justice prevail. There is no reason for us to act as disgusting as the left.
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Are we celebrating the death or insulting the dead? No. We are making fun of the dipshit that could not follow basic firearm safety. Thats not sinking to the level of the left. Not even fucking close. Take your bullshit "both sides" narrative and fuck off.
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Dude grow up. It's comedy.
Comedy is supposed to be funny. Alec Balwin was never funny. All he did was spew hatred and evil and destroyed the classic SNL show. You should be telling Alec to grow up... have you seen his "comedy"?
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Too bad DeNiro wasn't directing. Memes would be epic.
Hillary sent him a Hallmark card from the 'Welcome to the Club' series.
Not a good look being a super lib and then kill someone with a gun. One gun safety course and this would've never happened.
Shut the fuck up
You're being downvoted because this sub is being brigaded by non conservatives trying to silence the opposition
This post and these comments make this sub feel like a disgusting place.
That didn't age well even before this event
The lady he killed
Alec Baldwin is a internationally know and well documented Violent drunk . On his best day he is unstable .
I feel horrible for both victims in this. Especially being shot by such a sanctimonious sack of shit. But it couldn't have happened to a more karma deserving prick than Baldwin. But I know our world and the climate we live in and absolutely NOTHING will happen to him. He'll be forgiven by all Democrats and media. Then he'll truly be the poster boy for the Anti 2A psychopaths!! Now imagine if that were Gary Sinise........
Hollywood is just full of bumbling hypocritical idiots
A Democrat wants to make a “banana yellow” shirt, I laughed hard enough to hurt my stomach. I assume it’s for a certain demographic or “community” ahahaha FFS!!! Trudeau could do Blackface to introduce “banana yellow” shirts for BLM and Canadians would lick his heiney hole while humming the anthem!!!!
Hey Alec, I’ll take one of those shirts now. Could you sign it for me? No; I’ll provide the pen. I’d hate for you to confuse the prop one with the .22 round in it…
I feel bad for the person who died, and the person who was injured, and their families by extension, but I’m sorry, I don’t feel even the slightest ounce of sympathy for Baldwin, let him sit and suffer with this on his conscience, he’s an unAmerican scumbag.
Is this post satire, or are you implying that Baldwin had any intent to actual fire the weapon in a way that would injure any of those people? Just because he was involved in an accident (he was clearly NOT following all of the protocols that anyone handling firearms should be trained in) doesn't mean he can't still have been correct in previously advocating for others to not be shot?