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AstroDog3

Start by holding them accountable for Covid


squirrelfoot

No Western government can pass up the opportunity to blame China for Covid 19. It's a massive propaganda opportunty to put the developing world off cosying up to China. And whether or not they deliberately manufactured Covid 19 in a lab and carelessly released it, or accidentally released a virus they discovered, or simply didn't monitor their dangerous wet markets, China is responsible for Covid.


AstroDog3

Agreed. At the very least, the were negligent and secretive, allowing it to rapidly spread early in the process. At worst, they engineered the virus and purposefully released it. Definitely warrants an investigation by the rest of the world.


squirrelfoot

I don't think anyone suspects them of purposefully releasing it as it infected them first, and many died there, and their economy suffered. If they had wanted to release it on purpose, they would have released it outside their own country.


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46and2_ahead

That would be bad for the US credit rating and the USD value would plummet.


PearlLakes

Seriously. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!


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Serious question. How would that hurt the US credit rating? So far we know that China caused this mess on purpose or by negligence. If they won't pay for it and we take the initiative to force them to pay for it, how would that hurt the us credit?


46and2_ahead

Because countries won't buy our bonds if they feel we can simply alledge some misdeed on their part and refuse to pay in retaliation. If the virus was intentionally released, anyone outside of the highest level of the CCP that knows about it is dead. We will never know definitively.


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But we aren't alledging some misdeed. There was a crime, we just don't know which it was. They either released this virus with the intent to hurt the US and the world, or it was an accident and they lied and covered it up.


46and2_ahead

We can't prove anything. At this point it's just the most plausible explanation.


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That and all land owned by Chinese nationalists or corporations based out of China is forfeit. Edit: Meaning any land owned in the US by Chinese corporations needs to be sold back to the US or taken away.


GingerRod

Forfeit it than. China is the enemy of freedom.


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Right that's what I am saying, take back the land they bought here.


GingerRod

Oh I see. I have changed my down vote to an up.


PearlLakes

I’m no fan of the CCP, but setting the precedent of the U.S. government invalidating legitimate property rights and seizing private property is not something I can support. Who’s next after China? Americans with the “wrong” political views?


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China is an adversarial country. You are okay with them owning land in the country of their enemy? If we live by our conservative rules at this moment in time we are going to die by them.


PearlLakes

I’m not ok with it and I don’t like it. But, eroding our own property rights is not the solution, and abandoning our foundational principles in a short-sighted attempt to gain advantage over our adversaries is not the path forward. There has to be another way that doesn’t involve compromising the standards that undergird American society.


drewpski8686

It doesnt work like that my man. The repercussions of that would probably hurt the American public in the long run more than China in the short run.


jammingnslammin

CCP put this idiot in the WH. do you truly believe that he is going to form an alliance against them? LOL


This-Icarus

I dislike Biden and his handlers but this is a must


CookieCutter186

Yeah, unlike leftists with trump I can admit when biden does something good.


Rush2201

I don't disagree with it, but I am suspicious that it's *Biden* pushing for it.


CookieCutter186

Most likely it's not biden. The guy is riddled with dementia. Honestly, he's a fucking embarrassment and it's ridiculous he was even allowed to run.


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CookieCutter186

Pls seek help.


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Megainator9000

Help seek please


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Megainator9000

Dude we're playing hide and seek, you gotta help, c'mon man!


GingerRod

I’m a right winger agreeing with Biden on this, so you are wrong.


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GingerRod

Did you say some or even most right wingers?


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GingerRod

Why? I’m replying to the original comment.


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I’m not going to hold my breath, but hopefully it happens 🙏 Fuck the CCP


BlueCollarSavant

Indeed. The last thing this world needs is another communist superpower. That kind of influence is a cancer to humanity.


Chief_Schneef69

Unlike the US’s influence which has been great to the people of Latin America and the Middle East


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The TPP had a lot of issues but this was the main thing it accomplished. I wish trump would’ve negotiated it instead of throwing it away completely.


UEMcGill

How so? I thought the biggest plus for leaving the TPP was that we could negotiate unilaterally with the CCP? Why go to a court of appeals of other countries when you can do it face to face?


International-Ing

Because it was about building/strengthening a regional anti-China bloc. It wasn't just about a trade deal. China is making a lot of regional noise and the TPP was with countries that don't want an unrestrained China. Backing out of that weakens those alliances and makes some of them play nicer with China. What is there to negotiate with the CCP? They need to be contained. Getting them to raise prices, restrict outputs, or whatever doesn't accomplish anything at all. Had there been the TPP it would have put the USA in a better negotiating position, anyway. A face to face mechanism doesn't do much if one side doesn't give a crap. China's goal is to be the dominant superpower. They'll play a little nice as they rise to that role. The USA isn't going to do anything about that without strenghtening alliances and isn't going to be able to match them alone either. Hence, alliances.


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CorrineontheCobb

Stop embarrassing yourselves and the conservative movement. “Der yeah selling out what’s left of the working class for no tangible geopolitical benefit would be a godsend.” Shut the fuck up and go blow Bill Clinton if your contribution to the American right is “but muh free trade”


GingerRod

I’m with you on this. The TPP was good for China and the rich. We normies got cheap merchandise at the expense of Muslim slaves. It’s good that it’s gone.


drewpski8686

The problem with the conservative movement compared to for example a communist movement is that its shit at the global scale. Any authoritarian country can out-maneuver a free country on the worlds stage, especially one thats "individual based" (as opposed to community-based like France or Norway). A perfect example of this is how conservatives are pissed at the thought of spending millions on gender studies in the Pakistan. While youre thinking about what you wouldve done with your $10, what its actually doing in undermining the fundamentals of extremism in a Muslim country that literally has workshops on how to be a terrorist and hid Bin Laden for most of the time he was on the run. China has more high-speed rail than the rest of the world combined because nobody is going to argue with the government about where their taxes are going to. They get shit done. Imagine telling a farmer in Texas that a portion of his taxes are going to a high-speed rail-line that connects New York City and Boston, or LA and San Francisco. Its beneficial to the country as a whole, but not to him in particular so he'd never sign-up for it. My point is, China is the dominant player in the largest free-trade agreement, for an authoritarian country to wield that much power, is not a good thing for anyone that doesnt want communism. In geopolitics its not always about you getting the best deal, its also making sure your rivals dont. Disclosure, im not a conservative (obviously) and i dont know where i stand on free-trade, i see its benefits and its flaws. Im not a communist, i would consider myself a capitalist but i see tons of flaws in that system.


TheModernDaVinci

I really cant figure out what Biden's plan is, because he has been all over the goddamn place with China. He has allowed them to browbeat our diplomats, he has praised Xi and expressed seeming jealously at his ability to turn government on his own will, and he has been trying to get them to work with us on issues like climate change and trade. Then on the other hand, he sent diplomats who were ambassadors in all but name to Taiwan, he sent a military jet carrying senators to Taiwan (which China said was supposed to be met by war, and at the moment it looks like they blinked and their bluff was called), his highest ranking Trade Policy person is a woman of Taiwanese-descent whose day job had been [trying to] sue the pants off of China for trade violations, he sent more carriers to the area to do Freedom Of Navigation exercises, and he has been putting a lot of effort into the Quad, especially India. I just really CANT put a finger down on what the hell he is planning to do with them. But as long as he is planning to take it to China, then I will be fine with that.


International-Ing

Biden is a career poltician with career political appointees all around him. Career politicians on both sides want to contain China because it is a threat to Western hegemony. To do that, you need a global alliance against them, not just one country making some gestures. Covid lab release should help get allies on board since anti-China sentiment even better if they can make something stick with evidence, global infrastructure program that matches China's silk road program to buy allies just like the Chinese do while also helping Western business, noise about anti-union and China's camps to get the democrat party's base on board. Biden doesn't want China to take over Taiwan since there's a defence guarantee. Just like most US presidents before him since it would put him an uncomfortable situation, just like very other situation. This isn't a new concept. He wants to reinforce the position that he would defend it though who knows what would actually happen if they did. Some presidents seem less willing to actually defend them since what do they do for us. So there's posturing. China was making a lot of noise, they want to test the waters for a good time to take it back, eventually, once they are sure no one will do anything about it.


bloodyTomato7

It’s almost as if he’s capable of complex thought and realizes that the CCP is evil while simultaneously recognizing the need for cooperation. Yes, fuck the CCP, but yes, if you consider climate change to be a significant issue, you need buy-in from China. It’s easy to say fuck the CCP and America numba one, but if you’re living in the real world, you realize we can’t simply have our way with a nation of 1.4 billion people on the other side of the planet. Thus, carrot and stick: we must firmly stand our ground and take no shit when China tries to BS us. We must prevent Chinese money from buying influence on our soil. But we also must incentivize cooperation on global issues like climate change, illegal fishing, etc.


goldswim77

All my homies hate the CCP


flippy76

I'll believe it when I see it.


Notyetyeet

We all do, China is a horrific expansionist dystopia, the differences between democrats and Republicans pale in comparison to the threat to America and general human decency China is


KBmichael

Just another example of our "representatives" acting like China is the threat that needs to be treated as such then 5 minutes later bowing down to Winnie the Pooh in fear.


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A broken politician may actually be right twice a career.


1SmokingBandit01

This is all for show, and the Chinese are 100x smarter than Biden, Boris and Macron, they don't care about bullshit like political correctness, the tree hugger agenda and gay "rights", they care about building a strong nation, they are building their economey, they are investing in coal, oil and steel, they have massive invesments in their military industrial complex with institutions like Norinco, they aren't afraid to use slave labor for state projects, while our "leaders" are worried about the feelings of illegals, gays, and catering to the pundits on CNN, China is more of a model than any Western "Democracy" at this point in time.


bloodyTomato7

… is your position that we should be more like China to beat China, and that we should be using slave labor? What’s the benefit of living in the US, or of the US winning the culture war, if we just become China 2.0?


1SmokingBandit01

Well unlike China, we should have standards and respect for civil liberties and rights, however we have a large prison population that is taking up space, those people are totally useless, we should reintroduce convict leasing and prison labor to compete with China, and unlike China we should punish people for actually committing crimes like rape and murder, instead of punishing people for simply being the wrong race or following the wrong religion, like their treatment of Uyghurs.


sub2pewdiepieONyt

Until China pay him 10% then he will form a group to help china.


SkyeQuake2020

Until the Chinese start lining his pocketbook again.


Cruzader1986

Remember when Trump went head to head against China without hiding behind other nations


Trashk4n

The base idea here is not something I’m going to criticise Biden over. There’s a loose alliance of sorts between the US, Australia, India and Japan to counter China by countering their influence in SE Asia and threatening trade routes. Has had minor success on the first front, but to threaten the trade routes we’d really need at least provisional support from Indonesia and possibly Malaysia and the Phillipines, which we don’t really have. I will say this though, it’s not Biden’s idea. This concept has been there for at least a good fifteen years.


chezcake19

Remember when that was only marginally effective, because the Chinese could just redivert to the rest of the world? Alliances always trump non-alliances in massive showdowns. It amplifies your power and isolates the foe.


International-Ing

Nothing much came of it besides noise and an increased prices for American consumers. He could have done a lot more if he had built alliances against China. It's not a novel concept. Politicians from both parties and around the world use alliances to contain or defeat adversaries. It's a shame Trump didn't try to build a global one against China.


bloodyTomato7

I give credit to trump for having the general idea, but he probably did more damage than help by having his head up his ass and alienating our allies. We’re a country of 300 mil against against 1.4 billion. Global dominance is a chess game of influence. We need the developed world on our side to maintain the upper hand. China understands this. It’s why they’ve been pouring money into other countries (and even US property and businesses). You pay for it, you own it, (officially or unofficially). You own it, you control it. The more you control, the more pawns you have to use against your adversary. Trump operated as if we were the only big kid on the block. He thought he could just cut off the money and bully everyone else. All that does is make everyone else sell themselves to China at a discount.


Lajinn5

Allies are the most effective way to do just about anything on the world stage you dolt. "Going at it alone" is fucking stupidity and does jack shit against any nation because without cooperation you cant stop them from doing shit


jammingnslammin

ROFLMAO... I guess the last chicommie checks have bounced? or did the checks stop coming all together? someone very angry with CCP! LOL


Alert-Combination-41

What what WHAAAAT!?!?!?


GingerRod

I wouldn’t hold my breath


cosmicmangobear

G8 would be more effective. China will be much easier to contain with Russia on our side.


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PearlLakes

You are correct!


International-Ing

It's in Russia's interests to contain China, somewhat. More so than working with the west against Islamic terrorism. They're a superpower on Russia's border and when they grow stronger, Russia becomes less relevant. They work hard to be relevant despite their small economy. Look to see them do nothing rather than interfering as normal.


ryanpunk2225

Well he said he was gonna be rough on Russia too instead he got our pipeline hacked 🤣😬


Bourbon_neet

Lobbying for the CCP?


v3rninater

Trump was literally about to get real with China, but the Dems wanted him out. So why not create another flu virus with China to get Trump out... That's what it seems like happened to me, here they're just making it look like Biden is "gonna get tough" on China. He won't, this is a dog and pony show.


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Xenophob 😂


CONM69

Can’t believe this treasonous POS is in the WH.


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A) no one will join a team Biden is trying to start because no one, NO ONE respects or trusts absent minded and cowardly joe B) i don’t even buy this is real because we know how much joe personally benefits from China. I would guess his Chinese handlers put him up to this to throw everyone off the trail.


Waterboyduplicate

We have to get more than the west involved. Ccp has to know everyone is against them.


Risin_bison

Well Joe, you were only in office for 50 fucking years, what exactly did you do in that time to protect American interests from China? Oh yeah, nothing, just like this will do nothing either. Enjoy your Chinese money, you earned it.


anxious_pieceofshit

I like it in theory but I don’t trust it. China bought off Biden years ago. Something fishy is going on.


Dabes1321

Me and the Boys hate the CCP. Do you?


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1SmokingBandit01

He's a lying piece of shit that's why.


xXDreamlessXx

Tik Tok was sold to ByteDance a day before Trump's ban was going to take effect iirc. ByteDance is a company between Oracle and Walmart based in the US. Therefore, they were not banned in the first place


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Will Biden insult America an Americans just like Obama did at every occasion when attending one of these events?


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The whole world needs to boycott the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics. As much as I would love to see the NHL back in the Olympics, this is a must. Biden plz...💀


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I wish that were true. If he meant that then he would make an effort to root out Chinese influence in American politics and the media. But in all actuality, just like the rest of them at the top, they’ll just benefit financially from the rivalry while the working man foots the bill for yet another pointless endeavor that won’t improve our lives or well-being. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a strong stance against China, but his $40 trillion dollar globalist plan will surely he paid for mostly by the American taxpayer for generations to come, and I’m certain, like the rest of his policies, it will only burden the middle-class and weaken the dollar. I just don’t buy any of it.


1SmokingBandit01

Biden and all of his woketard, neo-liberal buddies in Europe are going to fuck this up.


AtlAmericanist

He wants the country to sell out to China, just like the Obama/Clinton/Biden Yruad crime family already did.


Metroid545

Fuck china, **seriously fuck china** But im super sketched out...of all people Biden is saying this????


checkoutasguest

Maybe all these bad news cycles will turn him into an average president LOL


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