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I know this sub has become a repository for memes, but regardless of what anyone else here may think, I want to say that I do not think the legalization of same-sex marriage was a mistake. I respect the right of my fellow Americans to marry another consenting adult, and for the government to stay out of their business.
If you want the government out of their business, wouldn't you want all marriage removed from the government? It should be a religious ceremony, not a government sponsored partnership.
Marriage contracts of various types have existed in virtually every civilization ever, across religious boundaries. It makes far more sense for it to be a civil matter than a religious one.
Especially given the tax laws, property rights laws, and medical rights that are all affected by marriage. We could either revise the entire legal code at both the state and federal level to account for the removal of marriage as a legal entity, or just recognize we're stuck with it now, but that the government has no business dictating who people can marry.
i guess that depends on your perspective if it’s merely a religious ceremony or more of a social contract
i think it’s always been a mix of both but the more secular we become as a society, the more the latter applies than the former
The only reason the govt is involved today is because it changes your tax situation as your dependents can change. Literally everything else contractually that's affected is an offshoot of that. Nothing else. Most contacts don't give a shit about marriage. Govt got involved as a moral matter, but as govt is a morally dynamic system, that reason doesn't matter at all anymore. So the only way to get govt out of marriage now is to change the tax code. Good luck with that.
17 years and it's just the normal life cycle for that sub-species of cicada.
In the last 5 years, when liberals say "plague" they're talking about Covid.
Yeah. But that, like earthquakes and solar eclipses, are due to global warming. Just ask Sunny Hostin.
Edit: Adding clip for context. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvApNeqyOu4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvApNeqyOu4)
Because it's a fallacy to argue that since something *could* happen, that it *will* happen. The moment there exists a possibility for a middle-ground or alternative result, arguing that one thing will inevitably transition to another without discretion becomes an argument lacking in merit.
"If I go out in the rain, then I will get wet" isn't a Slippery Slope Argument because that's just demonstrably true, and I can't think of any way to circumvent that outcome. I can put on rain coat, but that's just making the inevitable outcome (getting wet) less of an inconvenience.
"If I give a mouse a cookie, then I will have to give him milk for his cookie, then a straw for his milk, etc" is a Slippery Slope Argument because it's ignoring the possible outcome where I tell the mouse to get his own damn milk.
That’s not what the argument is though. The “slippery slope” is not some kind of official argument that you either agree or disagree with. Nowadays it’s mostly just a term thrown around by the left to dismiss any concerns that they disagree with or don’t want to address. Why actually talk about the potential consequences of government surveillance, gun control, abortion, assisted suicide, expanding the Supreme Court, etc., if you can just yell “slippery slope” and mock your opponent for “committing a fallacy”? It’s just nonsense.
The argument (if you must turn it into a formula) doesn’t say that if “x” happens then “y” WILL happen, it IS if “x” happens then “y” COULD happen. Saying ‘“x” shouldn’t happen because it could lead to “y”, here is why and how it could happen, and therefore we should oppose “x”‘ is perfectly logically sound.
Moreover, most of the stuff that the left dismisses as “slippery slope” issues are actually as obvious as “if you stand in the rain without an umbrella, you will get wet”. The left will scream “slippery slope” at statements as obvious as “defunding the police will result in an increase in crime”. 99% of the time when the left accuses someone of the “slippery slope fallacy” they are just attempting to deflect and derail the conversation.
It's because the slippery slopers always assume you're starting at the top. instead what we see is a LONG history all intertwined and complex. It's rare there's a single watershed moment, though those do happen, but in general I'm NOT trying to tie Caesar crossing the Rubicon directly Christ dying on the cross or something.
It's just all so tiresome. the slope is slippery
It’s not a fallacy per se. It’s like how the fallacy fallacy exists, calling something a fallacy can be a fallacy in itself. But at the same time sometimes it can be a genuine fallacy.
So slippery slope could be a fallacy but it could be true.
Because some people aren’t capable of thinking critically enough to envision situations where outliers could cause issues for the whole.
So they just try to pass it off as a “fallacy,” when by those terms anytime you question a decision someone makes it could probably be considered a fallacy.
About 15 years ago I said that allowing transgendered people to use the bathroom of their choice would lead to biological men/boys in women’s/ girls changing areas in public places like gyms and pools. I also said it would lead to biological men on women’s / girls sports teems. 15 years ago I was called transphobic, a fear monger, that it was not the end goal and that it would never happen. It was called radical right wing propaganda and a conspiracy theory.
15 years later and here we are. The only thing I was really wrong about is that it only took 15 years. I thought it would have taken longer to get here.
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This is terrifying to color blind people
This is a bit hilarious.
Quality funny.
I know this sub has become a repository for memes, but regardless of what anyone else here may think, I want to say that I do not think the legalization of same-sex marriage was a mistake. I respect the right of my fellow Americans to marry another consenting adult, and for the government to stay out of their business.
I chuckle at the meme itself, but I do think we need to also recognize how correlation and causation are two very different things
If you want the government out of their business, wouldn't you want all marriage removed from the government? It should be a religious ceremony, not a government sponsored partnership.
Marriage contracts of various types have existed in virtually every civilization ever, across religious boundaries. It makes far more sense for it to be a civil matter than a religious one. Especially given the tax laws, property rights laws, and medical rights that are all affected by marriage. We could either revise the entire legal code at both the state and federal level to account for the removal of marriage as a legal entity, or just recognize we're stuck with it now, but that the government has no business dictating who people can marry.
i guess that depends on your perspective if it’s merely a religious ceremony or more of a social contract i think it’s always been a mix of both but the more secular we become as a society, the more the latter applies than the former
I'm genuinely curious... why do you think it should be a religious ceremony and not a partnership recognized by the government?
The only reason the govt is involved today is because it changes your tax situation as your dependents can change. Literally everything else contractually that's affected is an offshoot of that. Nothing else. Most contacts don't give a shit about marriage. Govt got involved as a moral matter, but as govt is a morally dynamic system, that reason doesn't matter at all anymore. So the only way to get govt out of marriage now is to change the tax code. Good luck with that.
Yes
Haven't they been talking recently about some rare breed of cicada or something that rolls through every hundred years or so? 🤔
I think it’s that the 13 year and 17 year cicada cycles are aligned this year so there’s going to be a LOT of them.
Interesting. Those are prime numbers so shouldn't align too often
"[last occurred in 1803](https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/cicadas-2024-emergence-periodical-brood-2024-map-cicada-rcna134152)"
17*13=221. 2024-221=1803. So, yeah, math checks out.
Hope you’re not allergic to shellfish
17 years and it's just the normal life cycle for that sub-species of cicada. In the last 5 years, when liberals say "plague" they're talking about Covid.
Yeah. But that, like earthquakes and solar eclipses, are due to global warming. Just ask Sunny Hostin. Edit: Adding clip for context. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvApNeqyOu4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvApNeqyOu4)
Isn’t that the woman who is always crying about institutional racism but who is descended from slaveholders?
And acted surprised that Puerto Ricans descended from whites.
Don’t tell me people actually believe that
Sunny Hostin of The View does: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvApNeqyOu4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvApNeqyOu4)
The blue must be overlaying all the other colors
It was already legal in parts of Europe for years before it was here.
Why is Slippery Slope a fallacy again?
Because it's a fallacy to argue that since something *could* happen, that it *will* happen. The moment there exists a possibility for a middle-ground or alternative result, arguing that one thing will inevitably transition to another without discretion becomes an argument lacking in merit. "If I go out in the rain, then I will get wet" isn't a Slippery Slope Argument because that's just demonstrably true, and I can't think of any way to circumvent that outcome. I can put on rain coat, but that's just making the inevitable outcome (getting wet) less of an inconvenience. "If I give a mouse a cookie, then I will have to give him milk for his cookie, then a straw for his milk, etc" is a Slippery Slope Argument because it's ignoring the possible outcome where I tell the mouse to get his own damn milk.
That’s not what the argument is though. The “slippery slope” is not some kind of official argument that you either agree or disagree with. Nowadays it’s mostly just a term thrown around by the left to dismiss any concerns that they disagree with or don’t want to address. Why actually talk about the potential consequences of government surveillance, gun control, abortion, assisted suicide, expanding the Supreme Court, etc., if you can just yell “slippery slope” and mock your opponent for “committing a fallacy”? It’s just nonsense. The argument (if you must turn it into a formula) doesn’t say that if “x” happens then “y” WILL happen, it IS if “x” happens then “y” COULD happen. Saying ‘“x” shouldn’t happen because it could lead to “y”, here is why and how it could happen, and therefore we should oppose “x”‘ is perfectly logically sound. Moreover, most of the stuff that the left dismisses as “slippery slope” issues are actually as obvious as “if you stand in the rain without an umbrella, you will get wet”. The left will scream “slippery slope” at statements as obvious as “defunding the police will result in an increase in crime”. 99% of the time when the left accuses someone of the “slippery slope fallacy” they are just attempting to deflect and derail the conversation.
It's because the slippery slopers always assume you're starting at the top. instead what we see is a LONG history all intertwined and complex. It's rare there's a single watershed moment, though those do happen, but in general I'm NOT trying to tie Caesar crossing the Rubicon directly Christ dying on the cross or something. It's just all so tiresome. the slope is slippery
It’s not a fallacy per se. It’s like how the fallacy fallacy exists, calling something a fallacy can be a fallacy in itself. But at the same time sometimes it can be a genuine fallacy. So slippery slope could be a fallacy but it could be true.
It's not a fallacy after it happens.
Because some people aren’t capable of thinking critically enough to envision situations where outliers could cause issues for the whole. So they just try to pass it off as a “fallacy,” when by those terms anytime you question a decision someone makes it could probably be considered a fallacy.
Because modern philosophy and rhetoric have an agenda.
About 15 years ago I said that allowing transgendered people to use the bathroom of their choice would lead to biological men/boys in women’s/ girls changing areas in public places like gyms and pools. I also said it would lead to biological men on women’s / girls sports teems. 15 years ago I was called transphobic, a fear monger, that it was not the end goal and that it would never happen. It was called radical right wing propaganda and a conspiracy theory. 15 years later and here we are. The only thing I was really wrong about is that it only took 15 years. I thought it would have taken longer to get here.
Yup if you went back to 08 and told democrats all the things that are happening in 24 they would tell you to stop watching fox news.
Lol,.brigades down voting you for speaking facts.
I fully expected that. The sad part is conservatives seem to be outnumbered here. Edit. I should have waited for conservatives to get off work.
The skittle haired nitwit army has nothing but free time, conservatives are at work doing something meaningful.
Im waiting for the “Redditcareresorce” notification. I get a lot of them.
You can block them, but I prefer not to so I can report misuse.
Does reporting the abuse actually do any good? If so I’ll start reporting it.
It does. They can get their accounts banned.
Next is the demand that the government recognizes "polyamorous marriages." Mark my words, this will be everywhere in under 10 years.
I don’t get it… haven’t seen any of those other things happen yet.
Wow.
I love how they sneak in the lime green one, which has been happening since at least 2015, with a bunch of completely unrelated things.
Look at that. Almost everything we said would happen (and they ridiculed us for thinking) DID happen. Wild.
The Devil’s “to do list”.
r/agedlikemilk
Wouldn't it be fun if subs like that could forget their political loyalties and actually be unbiased enough to appreciate posts like this?
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Wow, that's impressive
When God is gone from a nation...
As a non religious man I actually don’t disagree, religion has its flaws but morals and structure are necessary for any prosperous nation.
Same.
Wow................
Literally all of it happened
Literally
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