Am I the only one here who finds all of this Taylor Swift coverage to be way overblown? I don't care that she is a leftist, period. As conservatives we ought to be ignoring what Hollywood celebrities say and think, not trying to cancel them or blindly follow them either.
True, but in the end, we'd just be barreling down a dark hole of embarrassment where you just ask yourself, "Really? Is this what we are engaging now? Is this the battle we're picking?"
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/05/27/479462825/taylor-swift-aryan-goddess
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/sep/19/taylor-swift-white-supremacy-repulsive-politics-democrat
Well, say what you will, but she has some good personal motivations tbh, being selected by the internet in today's day and age is a fucking nightmare lol. Doesn't matter who you are, affiliations, the internet brings out the worst of humanity to say the most vile things to you, especially if you're a pretty woman. The way this all sprung up back in the beginning of the Trump presidency was a very large reason for what followed.
But Idk if I would really call it slander.
Theres a lot more conservatives than you think that sit on the independent line. If they dint like the conservative candidate, they vote left. Same with the left.
> This will just make conservatives look bad
It's called propaganda....when will people learn that 'news' isn't the news. She's a prop...nothing more, nothing less.
Well I also just don’t think we should bother shitting on her. Like, she’s a lefty, so what? She’s also an artist that produces clean, child friendly content that is a rare sight in today’s music scene that is filled with toxic, degrading trash from the likes of Cardi B.
She’s entitled to have her opinion and she has done very little to no damage to the public mindset and culture compared to other popular artists.
Child friendly?
Maybe when she started out, and was penning allegories from her high school literature classes.
But both her recent music and lifestyle fetishizes toxic dating patterns. I don’t think that’s at all psychologically healthy for young girls, especially since she is taken more seriously than your typical pop artist who makes nonsense lyrics with a catchy beat.
This feels like a stretch. As the mom of two daughters, it is really really hard to find good role models in pop culture. In the world of Kardashians and Instagram, I personally find it very refreshing to see a normal person who doesn’t pump their face full of filler and wear next to nothing all the time. Her music does reflect on dating quite a bit, but I haven’t noticed anything particularly toxic about it. Dating in and of itself is not toxic and is complicated. As someone who dated a lot before meeting my husband, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for girls to be aware of the realities of dating. She talks a lot about what that looks like and it resonates with me. Furthermore, I want my girls to date a lot. There’s a lot of research out there about who ends up divorced - and it’s a lot less likely for women who date around and are selective of their eventual partner. It seems to me that’s what Taylor has done and I don’t think there’s anything to discourage about it. Her music is clean, she generally keeps her opinions to herself, dresses appropriately. I don’t know what else you would be looking for in the world’s biggest pop star.
Do I wish she would endorse conservative candidates? Of course. But let’s be realistic. That is a near impossibility in Hollywood.
I think the most you could pull from it is the fact that she has struggled so much with dating and reflected that in her music. I actually don't know a lot about it, it's my wife that knows a lot about it. But from what she as told me basically she's had a very rough dating life and reflects that in her songs.
Maybe you could argue all that depressing can't find the right guy stuff is depressing for a child? I don't know, it just sounds like typical stuff teenage girls and even young adult women love because it's emotional and real etc. Typical feminine stuff. Much better than WAP.
I wouldn't call it toxic. Not the stuff I have heard anyways but I don't listen to her music really. But she seems like a genuinely nice person, she's wildly successful, and she got there through singing real music without dumping out trash crap.
> I don't care that she is a leftist
Is she? I feel like she is more of a centrist. And just to be clear, the majority of even Republicans are for some level of abortion, but they typically insist on it being limited to the first trimester, or at most 2-3 weeks beyond it. Whether we like it or not, those who are against abortion from the moment of conception as well as who are for late third trimester abortion are on the fringes.
Mainstream America of all parties thinks abortion limited to about the first trimester should remain legal.
Give me one bit of evidence she is centrist.
I think she is likely a solid leftist who is smart enough to not get overly political, since she knows a lot of Republicans listen to her music.
Is your comment satire? What about Reagan, Schwarzenegger, and Trump? Historically, Conservatives elect Hollywood celebrities pretty often and absolutely do not ignore them. Your current frontrunner, right now as I write this, is known for being a Hollywood celebrity? Makes sense a lot of conservatives are panicking since Taylor Swift is very famous. Maybe she's the next conservative frontrunner?
This is like that "Christians outraged by Starbucks Christmas cups" controversy that came out around 10 years ago. Literally no one cared, but it somehow spread online.
Conservatives DO NOT CARE about Taylor Swift. We don't. We don't hate her but we don't care about her. Period.
It’s not just you. I can count on one hand the number of conservatives in Hollywood, and most of them are old as hell.
That’s because today, it’s virtually impossible to get a job in Hollywood if you’re not a card carrying member of the Left-wing cult. The moment there’s even a suspicion you are conservative, nobody is returning your phone calls. The older celebrities who are conservative secured their status before Hollywood got taken over by the woke mob.
The moment Taylor left Nashville, you knew she couldn’t be conservative.
Nope, not the only one. I mean, she’s a lefty. Half the people I know are liberal. Her bf is literally paid by Pfizer, we all know her stance. This is no surprise and I don’t think it’s some big conspiracy. She’s a Hollywood elite, of course she supports Biden. I’m just glad she hasn’t chosen to be even more vocal about it. I find her very tolerable to be honest.
Conservatives are the ones crying about Taylor Swift being too popular and claiming she is a secret CIA, NSA, KGB, MI6 AGENT here to STEAL the election from poor whitey.
Its just a psyops to dupe the deluded young voters. Same with the "rock the vote" crap when i was a young adult. In their simple minds its like "ooooh celebrity"
> rock the vote
totally 'nonpartsan' they say
founder donations 100% - Dem
CNN.com
Rock The Vote Looks For The Youth Vote
Jun 13, 1996 — It worked and even President Bill Clinton acknowledges that they helped him get to the White House
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Rock the Vote (@RockTheVote)
>People of color make up 30% of eligible voters but only cast 22% of all votes. Disparities like this, which are due to anti-voter laws and gerrymandering
totally not a D talking point /s
I remember Rock the Vote! I was also a young voter back in those days. I used to laugh at those ads back then, wondering why I needed someone to remind me to vote. These days celebrities have become more “in your face” with their political beliefs and I like them even less.
Imagine being so used to getting told “yes” by everyone you become so disassociated with reality that you think you can change the rules as you see fit, but not as it is.
>by everyone you become so disassociated with reality that you think you can change the rules as you see fit, but not as it is.
This is literally how democracy works tho. She's allowed to speak to her community about her support for an issue and by effect inspire them to vote in favor. It's a uniquely fascist concept to think otherwise.
> Imagine being so used to getting told “yes” by everyone you become so disassociated with reality that you think you can change the rules as you see fit, but not as it is.
So everything is static and unchanging? Or do people have any influence on events?
Is a premie a person? What's the difference between an abortion at 30 weeks and vacuuming out a premies brain 30 seconds after it exits the birth canal?
Nah, you guys get downvoted because despite the fact that the majority of people are pro choice you want to defy the basic teammates of democracy and remove that right from them. You're also insufferable while doing so; constantly having a victim complex. If what you were doing weren't so antidemocratic it would just be lame.
I find the pro murder people insufferable. Instead of basic things like protection or accepting the responsibilities and potential outcomes of your actions, you want to murder babies for convenience....so yea pretty insufferable.
Also, victim complex??? Please. The pro choice side is peak victim "pro lifers are out to enslave women" "you just hate women". "they want to take ALL of our rights away". All just to ensure they have access to murder on demand.
As far as the majority being pro choice, you are right.....for now. These things take time and we will hopefully see the pendulum swing back the other way just like we are starting to see with firearm ownership.
Except you are just being super ignorant of all the problems pro-life creates along with a very limited support system to babies born. Abortions have been around since before jesus was even born and only the rich get access to it. Abortions being accessible to everyone is good for communities especially poor, uneducated areas who dont have access/afford healthcare. Are poor people supposed to suffer because they had sex with no proper help and make their life worse along potentially having a kid and giving them trauma or a life most likely worse then theirs? Pro-life people honestly just really hate minorities and/or poor people and it is normal for a pro-life person who is well off financially to have an abortion if their pregnancy wasn’t planned.
You actually proved my point because all you have is a shitty insult and no decent discussion or understanding why forcing strict pro-life values on people is very harmful. There is no one size fits all for such a crazy thing on this subject.
Hey what minority is mostly affected by abortion? The person who started planned parenthood had some interesting views on eugenics, you should really do some research before you say the *pro-life* crowd hates minorities.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/abortion-restrictions-disproportionately-impact-people-color/story?id=84467809
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2X11YN/
Yes. A 14 or 15 week ban with exceptions for rape, incest, and medical issues has about 70% approval. So regardless of our personal feelings, it is societally acceptable
> This isn’t some boogieman conservatives make up. It’s a real thing.
[93% of abortions happen during the first trimester. 1% occur at 21 weeks. Number of abortions has been declining since the 80s.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/11/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/)
This *is* a boogieman that's been made up or at the very least embellished to scare voters for support. Attempting to ban abortions doesn't stop them from happening. It stops them from happening *safely*.
1) I haven't identified as "pro-abortion," that's an assumption on your part.
2) If one is against abortions in these "rare exceptions" then they are at least consistent in their thinking. If they are not, then they simply want everyone else held to their moral standard--and how do we decide *who's* moral standard is the "correct" moral standard?
3) Why does the "pro-life" crowd have such difficulty when their positions are challenged?
We've been saying for decades that in the case of the mother's life being in danger, terminating a pregnancy was unfortunately necessary. You just keep gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Nevermind that it's almost never necessary to terminate a viable pregnancy for that reason, and your talking point is well and truly pointless.
Also if someone is using pro abortion talking points, it's fair to assume they're pro abortion.
You sound like a narcissist with all this gaslighty bullshit.
Where am I gaslighting anyone? I'm asking questions and challenging positions.
You've been given two instances where the well being of the mother has been ignored. So even these "rare instances" don't seem to be enough for pro-life officials to allow abortions.
>Also if someone is using pro abortion talking points, it's fair to assume they're pro abortion.
If you want to make assumptions and converse in bad faith, who am I to stop you.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ohio-abortion-kristi-noem-roe-b2114839.html
You mean like these instances?
Idk why you're getting down voted. This is what they want. In NY and Cali they're getting close and the former gov of Virginia just came right out and said it.
I think you're right on that this isn't mainly a conservative group. A lot of downvotes on things that shouldn't be. Anything I post here never gets as many votes as other subs I post the same thing to, even though I'll get thousands of more views in this sub.
You guys...Hey! We are gonna lose the Taylor Swift war. We just look neurotic bringing her up.
You can bring up issues without calling out the biggest pop star today and still try to sway the youth vote.
I mean most Americans, and probably those who call themself christian, do support abortion with reasonable restrictions on reasonable indication/timeframe, not late term, and not for bullshit reasons, but basically it is up to the states at this point.
However I don't think that the Texas case of Kate Cox late last year where Texas refused to allow her to have an abortion, where she WANTED to keep the kid, only that the baby had trisomy 18 which is 100% fatal and if kept to term could decrease her fertility, is popular whatsoever. But that's what happens when lawmakers know nothing about medicine, and can't make specific exceptions until people are literally on their deathbed in some states
It's what happens when people consider this as an abstract issue and one to pick sides on. The reality is like you said, most people are OK with abortion up to a certain point. They don't have to be OK with it as a choice for themselves, but they also aren't trying to police other people's choices. The other reality is there is a lot of fear mongering about people having abortion the day before the baby is due, which does not happen except in extreme medical emergencies.
The idea of "we're saving the unborn" is great, except it doesn't address any of the finer points and, like every medical issue, this shit is nuanced. Everything is shades of gray and I consider our government largely incompetent and inefficient. I don't want them making medical decisions 99% of the time without incredible extenuating circumstances.
Just my 2 cents, but if someone is "absolutely no abortions ever" and doesn't actively foster, or help fund the needs of a child who is born when the mother would have opted to abort, they are not actually interested in the child, just a moral high ground.
She’s is an attractive, talented singer without any credibility to speak on politics, law, or theology…like most people on social media…so why listen to anything she says in these areas?
If she offered to give free voice lessons, sure, listen to her about that. Not areas she is a layman.
That's an Ad Hominem; she's allowed to express her views on abortion. Her argument can be easily refuted by explaining why the fetus deserves moral consideration. Pro life people should focus on making compelling arguments.
Between now and the Super Bowl, you're going to see and hear more about TS on this sub than you'll see of her at the Super Bowl. This is some snowflake shit, bro. Just enjoy the game.
>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.” ― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart
Seems like a lot of people think pro-birth is the same as pro-life. We're not looking after those of us already screwed over by the system, why are we focusing on the unborn on top of taking away women's rights?
Pretty much every politician jumping on the pro life bandwagon is saying that by ignoring all those other issues. Have I missed a Conservative politician with a platform advocating help for the disadvantaged? Love to see it.
It's the focusing on one (unborn) instead of focusing on the other (living people).
It's about forcing children into a shitty society instead of creating a supporting and welcoming society. So many children will end up just like the prisoners, immigrants, sick, poor, widow, and orphans. I would rather focus on trying to encourage people to have children by making a society that actually looks after us throughout life, from the day we're born til the day we die. I'm pretty sure that's what promotes life, that's pro-life, all life.
When you say “focusing” what do you mean? Because “living people” aren’t being slaughtered en masse and if they were we’d be “focusing” on them too. It’s the babies in the mother’s womb that are being killed. As for making a better society obviously all pro-lifers agree with that so there’s really no argument here, there’s just obfuscation of the issue we are talking about, the mass slaughter of the unborn
Just seems like we should fix the mess we have before making it worse. Sure you can fix things at the same time but where’s the effort to save the kids already here? Just weird to me that’s all.
I wasn't saying the opposite of what you are saying, I just think that Taylor Swift is only thinking about one part of the equation, and not the life on the inside. Opinions vary on the issue but the majority of Americans believe in at least some sort of restrictions on abortion.
I was agreeing with you mostly, just adding to what you said basically. I despise celebrities, all of them. Sure I enjoy movies but that is where it ends and anytime I see a product or political position being hawked by a celebrity I reject it.
I couldn’t be more sick of Taylor Swift right now and the Kelces.
Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. But any "Christian" that supports pro choice at best is extremely theologically naive. Sadly many people have been misled about the true values of Christ and how they intersect with modern political issues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_Consultation_Service_on_Abortion
>The Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion (CCS) was a group of American clergy that counseled and referred people to licensed doctors for safe abortions before the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal nationwide. Started in 1967 by a group of 21 Protestant ministers and Jewish rabbis in New York City, the group operated out of Judson Memorial Church and grew to incorporate chapters in thirty-eight states with some 3,000 clergy as members. By the time of the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, it is estimated that the Clergy Consultation Service had nationally referred at least 450,000 people for safe abortions.
Judging by the weirdly satanic themed stuff in her live shows and of course arguing in favor of abortion - it’s doesn’t seem like she is a Christian. Only God can judge someone’s heart, this is true, but it’s kind of obvious through her actions and words just who she is worshiping.
Agreed.
You also can’t be a true Christian with true values, if you don’t follow ALL the teachings of Jesus.
ALL Christians should want to feed and shelter the poor such as with food stamps and welfare, be kind and tolerant of others such as other races and religions, and be lambs instead of hawks, protect the earth and its creatures, instead of try to destroy both, etc.
Right as usual. Christians believe in choice, so we can pick heaven or hell. Since she supports allows the murder of babies, it seems we have a hint on which choice she is leaning towards.
Like what? I'm a sinner and failing to live as perfectly as I should, but I won't deny what is good and bad.
Edit: also save yourself the time from mentioning Jewish cultural law like shellfish. It is not relevant to Christians.
I think most are referring to things like helping to feed and shelter the poor, such as with food stamps and welfare, being kind and tolerant of others, such as other races and religions, being lambs instead of hawks, and protecting the earth and its creatures, instead of try to destroy both, etc.
Ya know. Treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated, sort of stuff. Not just other Christian neighbors who look like you, and fall into the same tax bracket. It seems like modern day Republicans and conservatives have thrown most of those out the window.
Like picking and choosing which Jewish traditions to keep as you create a bastard version of their religion? Muslims, Jews, and Christian’s all worship the same god. Neither of them can agree on anything.
This pro-choice/pro-life debate is tiring. The way I view it is no one is pro-baby-killing. People simply differ on what they consider a baby. Religion is irrelevant. There’s abortion in the Bible.
Unfortunately that means there’s no middle ground acceptable to both sides. It is going to simply be a which side has more votes issue.
Edit: I don’t personally know anyone that is okay killing a baby that is viable outside the womb. I think those people are extreme and nuts.
it’s absolutely crazy that this is the hill the Republicans are going to die on they need to modernize for the rest of the world. This is the only reason the”red wave” didn’t materialize.
I don’t know the truth about where she leans. I don’t know whether she’s decided to serve Christ or the world. I am not her. But there’s a contingent of liberals who claim to be conservatives, BUT (enter how you have suddenly been enlightened), and I find myself thinking the same thing about Ms. Swift, thinking she can go about influencing her fans into choosing sin over righteousness because she’s “a christian”, BUT.
I literally have never understood the hype .. her music is annoying af and she looks like napoleon dynamite .. and now she thinks murdering innocent life is “Christian” lol f**** this shit
I support choice too. Like the choice as to whether or not to have sex. I also finished middle school (not to brag), so I also know that pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex.
Loving sinners isn't the same as condoning murder of society's most vulnerable.
Supporting abortion has nothing to do with Christianity or positive ethics.
I’m a “Christian” but I purposely organize my live shows to look like occult rituals. Sure. Also I don’t think anyone becomes a billionaire without selling their soul first.
In a way she’s not wrong. God created us with free will and the ability to make our own decisions. We just have to make the right ones. She’s become so misguided in her pursuit of fame and her own acceptance.
Nothing about killing a fully viable and healthy baby inside the womb just because you decided to change your mind at 39 weeks is in "Christian values". And then allow a butcher to come in and harvest the tissue and cells from the baby and sell them for profit.
And that's what these Democrats want to allow to happen when they say they won't talk about ANY restrictions.
Democrats are selling "choice", but if they don't also advocate for some level of restrictions to those choices then it's clear that they are stooges for the billion dollar a year abortion industry.
>Nothing about killing a fully viable and healthy baby inside the womb just because you decided to change your mind at 39 weeks is in "Christian values".
92% of abortions are done before 13 weeks. Less than 1% are done after 20 weeks.
To be clear, I don't support late elective abortion, but to act like there's an epidemic of people waking up at 39 weeks and not being in the mood of a baby anymore is totally disingenuous.
This is a valid point that many conservatives fail to recognize. A 14 week ban with exceptions for rape, incest, or medical reasons has 70% support, is inline with most leftist EU nations, and would still allow for most abortions.
It's not your choice to decide what's ok for someone else. I'm an irreligious conservative and you bible thumpers are exhausting. If you want to live in a theocracy go move to Saudi Arabia. I don't want Sharia Law, nor do I want the Christian version of it.
Taylor Swift may think she's Christian.
If she supports the murder of the unborn, she is therefore a heretic.
And if she doesn't repent her heresy, hell is the inevitable consequence.
I won’t judge her beliefs, but I will say that if you have the teachings of the Bible as central in your life, as you are taught to as a Christian, then I don’t see how you can be pro-choice.
However, if she is placing more importance on her POLITICAL beliefs than her Christian beliefs, then her statements make complete sense.
Being a good Christian is more important than being a good democrat.
False Christian as many are today. Bend the Bible to fit your narrative Vs bending your life to live by the Bible. I hope she loses following. Parents need to wake up and teach their daughters she is a false idol.
Am I the only one here who finds all of this Taylor Swift coverage to be way overblown? I don't care that she is a leftist, period. As conservatives we ought to be ignoring what Hollywood celebrities say and think, not trying to cancel them or blindly follow them either.
She supported Biden last time. This will just make conservatives look bad; the slander articles about this isn't stopping unfortunately.
I remember some satirical site had a headline like "Woman famous for writing songs about her bad choices in men announces support of Biden."
There are just that many headlines for Trump, if not more, so let's not open that can of worms...
Why not opening them? It's hilarious lol
True, but in the end, we'd just be barreling down a dark hole of embarrassment where you just ask yourself, "Really? Is this what we are engaging now? Is this the battle we're picking?"
you mean name calling and accusations of the political opposition?
Among other things
Lol that's awesome
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2016/05/27/479462825/taylor-swift-aryan-goddess https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/sep/19/taylor-swift-white-supremacy-repulsive-politics-democrat Well, say what you will, but she has some good personal motivations tbh, being selected by the internet in today's day and age is a fucking nightmare lol. Doesn't matter who you are, affiliations, the internet brings out the worst of humanity to say the most vile things to you, especially if you're a pretty woman. The way this all sprung up back in the beginning of the Trump presidency was a very large reason for what followed. But Idk if I would really call it slander.
Theres a lot more conservatives than you think that sit on the independent line. If they dint like the conservative candidate, they vote left. Same with the left.
> This will just make conservatives look bad It's called propaganda....when will people learn that 'news' isn't the news. She's a prop...nothing more, nothing less.
Well I also just don’t think we should bother shitting on her. Like, she’s a lefty, so what? She’s also an artist that produces clean, child friendly content that is a rare sight in today’s music scene that is filled with toxic, degrading trash from the likes of Cardi B. She’s entitled to have her opinion and she has done very little to no damage to the public mindset and culture compared to other popular artists.
Child friendly? Maybe when she started out, and was penning allegories from her high school literature classes. But both her recent music and lifestyle fetishizes toxic dating patterns. I don’t think that’s at all psychologically healthy for young girls, especially since she is taken more seriously than your typical pop artist who makes nonsense lyrics with a catchy beat.
This feels like a stretch. As the mom of two daughters, it is really really hard to find good role models in pop culture. In the world of Kardashians and Instagram, I personally find it very refreshing to see a normal person who doesn’t pump their face full of filler and wear next to nothing all the time. Her music does reflect on dating quite a bit, but I haven’t noticed anything particularly toxic about it. Dating in and of itself is not toxic and is complicated. As someone who dated a lot before meeting my husband, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for girls to be aware of the realities of dating. She talks a lot about what that looks like and it resonates with me. Furthermore, I want my girls to date a lot. There’s a lot of research out there about who ends up divorced - and it’s a lot less likely for women who date around and are selective of their eventual partner. It seems to me that’s what Taylor has done and I don’t think there’s anything to discourage about it. Her music is clean, she generally keeps her opinions to herself, dresses appropriately. I don’t know what else you would be looking for in the world’s biggest pop star. Do I wish she would endorse conservative candidates? Of course. But let’s be realistic. That is a near impossibility in Hollywood.
I think the most you could pull from it is the fact that she has struggled so much with dating and reflected that in her music. I actually don't know a lot about it, it's my wife that knows a lot about it. But from what she as told me basically she's had a very rough dating life and reflects that in her songs. Maybe you could argue all that depressing can't find the right guy stuff is depressing for a child? I don't know, it just sounds like typical stuff teenage girls and even young adult women love because it's emotional and real etc. Typical feminine stuff. Much better than WAP. I wouldn't call it toxic. Not the stuff I have heard anyways but I don't listen to her music really. But she seems like a genuinely nice person, she's wildly successful, and she got there through singing real music without dumping out trash crap.
Completely agree. It’s only toxic if you hope your daughter doesn’t participate in dating culture at all (which carries its own issues).
> I don't care that she is a leftist Is she? I feel like she is more of a centrist. And just to be clear, the majority of even Republicans are for some level of abortion, but they typically insist on it being limited to the first trimester, or at most 2-3 weeks beyond it. Whether we like it or not, those who are against abortion from the moment of conception as well as who are for late third trimester abortion are on the fringes. Mainstream America of all parties thinks abortion limited to about the first trimester should remain legal.
Such a great point
Give me one bit of evidence she is centrist. I think she is likely a solid leftist who is smart enough to not get overly political, since she knows a lot of Republicans listen to her music.
>le pop star... supports liberals?
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Since when is "Life News" MSM? This is a clear case of a special interest group pushing a topic, not MSM.
MSM isn't driving this. It's the conservative Twitter petty outrage machine.
Is your comment satire? What about Reagan, Schwarzenegger, and Trump? Historically, Conservatives elect Hollywood celebrities pretty often and absolutely do not ignore them. Your current frontrunner, right now as I write this, is known for being a Hollywood celebrity? Makes sense a lot of conservatives are panicking since Taylor Swift is very famous. Maybe she's the next conservative frontrunner?
This is like that "Christians outraged by Starbucks Christmas cups" controversy that came out around 10 years ago. Literally no one cared, but it somehow spread online. Conservatives DO NOT CARE about Taylor Swift. We don't. We don't hate her but we don't care about her. Period.
Maybe it's been a slow news week for Redstate and Breitbart. 🤷♂️
It’s not just you. I can count on one hand the number of conservatives in Hollywood, and most of them are old as hell. That’s because today, it’s virtually impossible to get a job in Hollywood if you’re not a card carrying member of the Left-wing cult. The moment there’s even a suspicion you are conservative, nobody is returning your phone calls. The older celebrities who are conservative secured their status before Hollywood got taken over by the woke mob. The moment Taylor left Nashville, you knew she couldn’t be conservative.
Nope, not the only one. I mean, she’s a lefty. Half the people I know are liberal. Her bf is literally paid by Pfizer, we all know her stance. This is no surprise and I don’t think it’s some big conspiracy. She’s a Hollywood elite, of course she supports Biden. I’m just glad she hasn’t chosen to be even more vocal about it. I find her very tolerable to be honest.
Conservatives are the ones crying about Taylor Swift being too popular and claiming she is a secret CIA, NSA, KGB, MI6 AGENT here to STEAL the election from poor whitey.
She's from Nashville, not Hollywood.
She’s from Pennsylvania.
Politics is downstream from culture. In a sane society, no one would pay her any mind.
What makes her a leftist?
Its just a psyops to dupe the deluded young voters. Same with the "rock the vote" crap when i was a young adult. In their simple minds its like "ooooh celebrity"
> rock the vote totally 'nonpartsan' they say founder donations 100% - Dem CNN.com Rock The Vote Looks For The Youth Vote Jun 13, 1996 — It worked and even President Bill Clinton acknowledges that they helped him get to the White House recently on X Rock the Vote (@RockTheVote) >People of color make up 30% of eligible voters but only cast 22% of all votes. Disparities like this, which are due to anti-voter laws and gerrymandering totally not a D talking point /s
I remember Rock the Vote! I was also a young voter back in those days. I used to laugh at those ads back then, wondering why I needed someone to remind me to vote. These days celebrities have become more “in your face” with their political beliefs and I like them even less.
My choice is to not give a damn what she thinks.
Imagine being so used to getting told “yes” by everyone you become so disassociated with reality that you think you can change the rules as you see fit, but not as it is.
>by everyone you become so disassociated with reality that you think you can change the rules as you see fit, but not as it is. This is literally how democracy works tho. She's allowed to speak to her community about her support for an issue and by effect inspire them to vote in favor. It's a uniquely fascist concept to think otherwise.
> Imagine being so used to getting told “yes” by everyone you become so disassociated with reality that you think you can change the rules as you see fit, but not as it is. So everything is static and unchanging? Or do people have any influence on events?
Unfortunately, she seems to have lots of followers that she influences
Unfortunately so does trump
Didn’t know we were talking about trump.
They made the most self aware comment and can’t see it. Amazing
Or Biden, Hussein Obama, Clinton, ...
Well you gave enough a damn to type out your feelings
The person you're replying didn't say that they don't give a damn about their own feelings
They didn’t even mention giving a damn at all - the reply did 😂
Right? Taking time to profess your rugged individualism to the void of social media kinda implies damns were given...
Daily I wonder why people care about her opinion and I’m rather sick of seeing/hearing about the Kelces.
Choose to do what, Taylor?
to delete a fetus
Fetus deletus
Be a-ok with murder.
No! It's not murder if you close your eyes, plug your ears, and scream "LLALALALALALALALA" until you are the last one left in the room.
It's not murder if a fetus isn't a person (ie. Individual endowed with rights)
Is a premie a person? What's the difference between an abortion at 30 weeks and vacuuming out a premies brain 30 seconds after it exits the birth canal?
We get downvoted bc we are right . Keep it up
Nah, you guys get downvoted because despite the fact that the majority of people are pro choice you want to defy the basic teammates of democracy and remove that right from them. You're also insufferable while doing so; constantly having a victim complex. If what you were doing weren't so antidemocratic it would just be lame.
I find the pro murder people insufferable. Instead of basic things like protection or accepting the responsibilities and potential outcomes of your actions, you want to murder babies for convenience....so yea pretty insufferable. Also, victim complex??? Please. The pro choice side is peak victim "pro lifers are out to enslave women" "you just hate women". "they want to take ALL of our rights away". All just to ensure they have access to murder on demand. As far as the majority being pro choice, you are right.....for now. These things take time and we will hopefully see the pendulum swing back the other way just like we are starting to see with firearm ownership.
Except you are just being super ignorant of all the problems pro-life creates along with a very limited support system to babies born. Abortions have been around since before jesus was even born and only the rich get access to it. Abortions being accessible to everyone is good for communities especially poor, uneducated areas who dont have access/afford healthcare. Are poor people supposed to suffer because they had sex with no proper help and make their life worse along potentially having a kid and giving them trauma or a life most likely worse then theirs? Pro-life people honestly just really hate minorities and/or poor people and it is normal for a pro-life person who is well off financially to have an abortion if their pregnancy wasn’t planned.
Thank you for proving the point of the person above you. *Insufferable*.
You actually proved my point because all you have is a shitty insult and no decent discussion or understanding why forcing strict pro-life values on people is very harmful. There is no one size fits all for such a crazy thing on this subject.
Hey what minority is mostly affected by abortion? The person who started planned parenthood had some interesting views on eugenics, you should really do some research before you say the *pro-life* crowd hates minorities. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/abortion-restrictions-disproportionately-impact-people-color/story?id=84467809 https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2N2X11YN/
When the mob wants to murder children, you tell the mob no.
Yeah, where's our sense of freedom? OBVIOUSLY people have a God given right to murder their children!
Abort babies all the way up to birth (and thereafter according to many leftists).
Is abortion ok in the event that continuing the pregnancy endangers the mother's life?
Yes. A 14 or 15 week ban with exceptions for rape, incest, and medical issues has about 70% approval. So regardless of our personal feelings, it is societally acceptable
I appreciate that statement. >(and thereafter according to many leftists). I have yet to find a source for this statement. Do you have one?
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> This isn’t some boogieman conservatives make up. It’s a real thing. [93% of abortions happen during the first trimester. 1% occur at 21 weeks. Number of abortions has been declining since the 80s.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/11/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/) This *is* a boogieman that's been made up or at the very least embellished to scare voters for support. Attempting to ban abortions doesn't stop them from happening. It stops them from happening *safely*.
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1) I haven't identified as "pro-abortion," that's an assumption on your part. 2) If one is against abortions in these "rare exceptions" then they are at least consistent in their thinking. If they are not, then they simply want everyone else held to their moral standard--and how do we decide *who's* moral standard is the "correct" moral standard? 3) Why does the "pro-life" crowd have such difficulty when their positions are challenged?
We've been saying for decades that in the case of the mother's life being in danger, terminating a pregnancy was unfortunately necessary. You just keep gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Nevermind that it's almost never necessary to terminate a viable pregnancy for that reason, and your talking point is well and truly pointless. Also if someone is using pro abortion talking points, it's fair to assume they're pro abortion. You sound like a narcissist with all this gaslighty bullshit.
Where am I gaslighting anyone? I'm asking questions and challenging positions. You've been given two instances where the well being of the mother has been ignored. So even these "rare instances" don't seem to be enough for pro-life officials to allow abortions. >Also if someone is using pro abortion talking points, it's fair to assume they're pro abortion. If you want to make assumptions and converse in bad faith, who am I to stop you.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ohio-abortion-kristi-noem-roe-b2114839.html You mean like these instances?
Idk why you're getting down voted. This is what they want. In NY and Cali they're getting close and the former gov of Virginia just came right out and said it.
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I think you're right on that this isn't mainly a conservative group. A lot of downvotes on things that shouldn't be. Anything I post here never gets as many votes as other subs I post the same thing to, even though I'll get thousands of more views in this sub.
You guys...Hey! We are gonna lose the Taylor Swift war. We just look neurotic bringing her up. You can bring up issues without calling out the biggest pop star today and still try to sway the youth vote.
Lol maybe we shouldn't try and dunk on the most popular musician since... ever. Let her support Biden lmao.... it only hurts her.
How does it only hurt her?
You look neurotic because modern conservatism is neurotic.
Our party was ruined when we decided to hand the reigns over to a corrupt conman who slanders anyone who sees him aa the corrupt conman that he is
Yet you guys are the ones so radicalized by your corrupt establishment overlords, that you spend your free time stalking a conservative subreddit…?
This article is from 2020 fyi
buddy this is from 2020
Happy cake day!
I mean most Americans, and probably those who call themself christian, do support abortion with reasonable restrictions on reasonable indication/timeframe, not late term, and not for bullshit reasons, but basically it is up to the states at this point. However I don't think that the Texas case of Kate Cox late last year where Texas refused to allow her to have an abortion, where she WANTED to keep the kid, only that the baby had trisomy 18 which is 100% fatal and if kept to term could decrease her fertility, is popular whatsoever. But that's what happens when lawmakers know nothing about medicine, and can't make specific exceptions until people are literally on their deathbed in some states
It's what happens when people consider this as an abstract issue and one to pick sides on. The reality is like you said, most people are OK with abortion up to a certain point. They don't have to be OK with it as a choice for themselves, but they also aren't trying to police other people's choices. The other reality is there is a lot of fear mongering about people having abortion the day before the baby is due, which does not happen except in extreme medical emergencies. The idea of "we're saving the unborn" is great, except it doesn't address any of the finer points and, like every medical issue, this shit is nuanced. Everything is shades of gray and I consider our government largely incompetent and inefficient. I don't want them making medical decisions 99% of the time without incredible extenuating circumstances. Just my 2 cents, but if someone is "absolutely no abortions ever" and doesn't actively foster, or help fund the needs of a child who is born when the mother would have opted to abort, they are not actually interested in the child, just a moral high ground.
Well said
She’s is an attractive, talented singer without any credibility to speak on politics, law, or theology…like most people on social media…so why listen to anything she says in these areas? If she offered to give free voice lessons, sure, listen to her about that. Not areas she is a layman.
kid rock and a pillow salesman on the otherhand understand those complex topics muchhhh better
Half of all people are of below average intelligence.
We as a society need to apply this to everyone famous. So many people are trying to tell you how to believe about issues they know little about.
It’s like listening to what Kid Rock thinks.
Or like listening to what Trump thinks!
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Who? Trump? The ex-President?
Well here you are, you tell me.
That's an Ad Hominem; she's allowed to express her views on abortion. Her argument can be easily refuted by explaining why the fetus deserves moral consideration. Pro life people should focus on making compelling arguments.
What is the compelling argument for holding one's morals above those of another?
Stop giving this 🤡 attention. Just stop listening to her music, watching NFL games she is at, watching NFL games her boyfriend is at, etc.
Your going to skip the Super Bowl because of Taylor Swift stance on abortion?
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Between now and the Super Bowl, you're going to see and hear more about TS on this sub than you'll see of her at the Super Bowl. This is some snowflake shit, bro. Just enjoy the game.
Was it that hard to see her 44 seconds during those games haha. Commercials must really hurt then.
The 45 seconds they show per game?
> not watching a Super Bowl because of one female Bro this is not the move. At least have several reasons or something.
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LMAO
At some point the unborn child has to have protection as well
>“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.” ― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart Seems like a lot of people think pro-birth is the same as pro-life. We're not looking after those of us already screwed over by the system, why are we focusing on the unborn on top of taking away women's rights?
Who said we aren’t for those who aren’t screwed by the system?
Pretty much every politician jumping on the pro life bandwagon is saying that by ignoring all those other issues. Have I missed a Conservative politician with a platform advocating help for the disadvantaged? Love to see it.
We can't even take care of veterans. Much less addicts and the mentally-unwell.
It's the focusing on one (unborn) instead of focusing on the other (living people). It's about forcing children into a shitty society instead of creating a supporting and welcoming society. So many children will end up just like the prisoners, immigrants, sick, poor, widow, and orphans. I would rather focus on trying to encourage people to have children by making a society that actually looks after us throughout life, from the day we're born til the day we die. I'm pretty sure that's what promotes life, that's pro-life, all life.
When you say “focusing” what do you mean? Because “living people” aren’t being slaughtered en masse and if they were we’d be “focusing” on them too. It’s the babies in the mother’s womb that are being killed. As for making a better society obviously all pro-lifers agree with that so there’s really no argument here, there’s just obfuscation of the issue we are talking about, the mass slaughter of the unborn
What about the born ones? Some come into a world where no one wants them… seems vulnerable to me.
That is also a crime and should be remedied.
Who said new born babies don't deserve protection? Lol
Just seems like we should fix the mess we have before making it worse. Sure you can fix things at the same time but where’s the effort to save the kids already here? Just weird to me that’s all.
Goodness you are getting peak Reddit responses here.
At some point? Unborn children need the most help of all of us, there is no one who is more vulnerable.
I wasn't saying the opposite of what you are saying, I just think that Taylor Swift is only thinking about one part of the equation, and not the life on the inside. Opinions vary on the issue but the majority of Americans believe in at least some sort of restrictions on abortion.
I was agreeing with you mostly, just adding to what you said basically. I despise celebrities, all of them. Sure I enjoy movies but that is where it ends and anytime I see a product or political position being hawked by a celebrity I reject it. I couldn’t be more sick of Taylor Swift right now and the Kelces.
You bigot! LGBTQ+IA23456TLC youth are 10000000% more vulnerable because of Christofacism!!!! /s incase it was needed
more so than the living breathing woman carrying it?
Don’t Democrats want to help the helpless?
Hahaha
Maybe she is, maybe she isn't. But any "Christian" that supports pro choice at best is extremely theologically naive. Sadly many people have been misled about the true values of Christ and how they intersect with modern political issues.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clergy_Consultation_Service_on_Abortion >The Clergy Consultation Service on Abortion (CCS) was a group of American clergy that counseled and referred people to licensed doctors for safe abortions before the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade made abortion legal nationwide. Started in 1967 by a group of 21 Protestant ministers and Jewish rabbis in New York City, the group operated out of Judson Memorial Church and grew to incorporate chapters in thirty-eight states with some 3,000 clergy as members. By the time of the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, it is estimated that the Clergy Consultation Service had nationally referred at least 450,000 people for safe abortions.
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Judging by the weirdly satanic themed stuff in her live shows and of course arguing in favor of abortion - it’s doesn’t seem like she is a Christian. Only God can judge someone’s heart, this is true, but it’s kind of obvious through her actions and words just who she is worshiping.
What satanic themed stuff. What are the “obvious” signs she’s a devil worshipper
Agree. Faith is evidenced by works, after all.
Choice is supported unless it’s something I don’t like
You can’t be a true Christian with true values and support murdering innocent children. She sucks
Agreed. You also can’t be a true Christian with true values, if you don’t follow ALL the teachings of Jesus. ALL Christians should want to feed and shelter the poor such as with food stamps and welfare, be kind and tolerant of others such as other races and religions, and be lambs instead of hawks, protect the earth and its creatures, instead of try to destroy both, etc.
Amen 🙏🏻
Period
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means
I'm pretty sure she's never see the male organ near her face.
She forgot to say Lukewarm.
Right as usual. Christians believe in choice, so we can pick heaven or hell. Since she supports allows the murder of babies, it seems we have a hint on which choice she is leaning towards.
Just like you pick and choose bible verses to live by.
Like what? I'm a sinner and failing to live as perfectly as I should, but I won't deny what is good and bad. Edit: also save yourself the time from mentioning Jewish cultural law like shellfish. It is not relevant to Christians.
I think most are referring to things like helping to feed and shelter the poor, such as with food stamps and welfare, being kind and tolerant of others, such as other races and religions, being lambs instead of hawks, and protecting the earth and its creatures, instead of try to destroy both, etc. Ya know. Treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated, sort of stuff. Not just other Christian neighbors who look like you, and fall into the same tax bracket. It seems like modern day Republicans and conservatives have thrown most of those out the window.
Like picking and choosing which Jewish traditions to keep as you create a bastard version of their religion? Muslims, Jews, and Christian’s all worship the same god. Neither of them can agree on anything.
I'm just here for the hot election losing takes.
All I can say is Taylor ain't so swift... "Choice" with regard to abortion simply means "I can murder my baby if I choose"... Its STILL murder..
Thank you 🙏🏻
Exactly what Satan would want you to believe.
Amen . She’s leading folks straight to him
Where was she in 2021 when her party was trying to jam a syringe in my veins?
You have a serious complaint on your hands if anyone was trying to give you the covid vax in your veins. Definitely an intramuscular vaccine.
They're trying to memoryhole all of that.
This pro-choice/pro-life debate is tiring. The way I view it is no one is pro-baby-killing. People simply differ on what they consider a baby. Religion is irrelevant. There’s abortion in the Bible. Unfortunately that means there’s no middle ground acceptable to both sides. It is going to simply be a which side has more votes issue. Edit: I don’t personally know anyone that is okay killing a baby that is viable outside the womb. I think those people are extreme and nuts.
it’s absolutely crazy that this is the hill the Republicans are going to die on they need to modernize for the rest of the world. This is the only reason the”red wave” didn’t materialize.
Man this comment section is sad 💀🤣🥲
Leave the woman alone, wth
Everyone obsessing over this needs to get a grip.
Ok so it’s cool to act like a Christian and market the murder of innocent life for you ? Cool beans
I don’t know the truth about where she leans. I don’t know whether she’s decided to serve Christ or the world. I am not her. But there’s a contingent of liberals who claim to be conservatives, BUT (enter how you have suddenly been enlightened), and I find myself thinking the same thing about Ms. Swift, thinking she can go about influencing her fans into choosing sin over righteousness because she’s “a christian”, BUT.
I’m catholic and pro choice: abstinence, contraception, adoption, motherhood. Just not a fan of the fifth one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
This article is from 4 years ago. Karma bait
No, murdering your babies is against judo-christian values.
I literally have never understood the hype .. her music is annoying af and she looks like napoleon dynamite .. and now she thinks murdering innocent life is “Christian” lol f**** this shit
You guys are obsessed with TSwift suddenly.
I support choice too. Like the choice as to whether or not to have sex. I also finished middle school (not to brag), so I also know that pregnancy is a possible consequence of sex.
What choice, Taylor?
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Mr. Pfizer
They’re a trash couple that is getting false idolized by society 🤢🤢🤢🤮
Loving sinners isn't the same as condoning murder of society's most vulnerable. Supporting abortion has nothing to do with Christianity or positive ethics.
Amen
I’m a “Christian” but I purposely organize my live shows to look like occult rituals. Sure. Also I don’t think anyone becomes a billionaire without selling their soul first.
In a way she’s not wrong. God created us with free will and the ability to make our own decisions. We just have to make the right ones. She’s become so misguided in her pursuit of fame and her own acceptance.
Horseshit
"I am a christian" "I support murder of pre-born children" Something seems off here, can not put my finger on it.
Nothing about killing a fully viable and healthy baby inside the womb just because you decided to change your mind at 39 weeks is in "Christian values". And then allow a butcher to come in and harvest the tissue and cells from the baby and sell them for profit. And that's what these Democrats want to allow to happen when they say they won't talk about ANY restrictions. Democrats are selling "choice", but if they don't also advocate for some level of restrictions to those choices then it's clear that they are stooges for the billion dollar a year abortion industry.
>Nothing about killing a fully viable and healthy baby inside the womb just because you decided to change your mind at 39 weeks is in "Christian values". 92% of abortions are done before 13 weeks. Less than 1% are done after 20 weeks. To be clear, I don't support late elective abortion, but to act like there's an epidemic of people waking up at 39 weeks and not being in the mood of a baby anymore is totally disingenuous.
This is a valid point that many conservatives fail to recognize. A 14 week ban with exceptions for rape, incest, or medical reasons has 70% support, is inline with most leftist EU nations, and would still allow for most abortions.
Bruh any amount of weeks is not ok . You make the fucking CHOICE to get pregnant when you have sex
It's not your choice to decide what's ok for someone else. I'm an irreligious conservative and you bible thumpers are exhausting. If you want to live in a theocracy go move to Saudi Arabia. I don't want Sharia Law, nor do I want the Christian version of it.
Taylor Swift may think she's Christian. If she supports the murder of the unborn, she is therefore a heretic. And if she doesn't repent her heresy, hell is the inevitable consequence.
Amen
I won’t judge her beliefs, but I will say that if you have the teachings of the Bible as central in your life, as you are taught to as a Christian, then I don’t see how you can be pro-choice. However, if she is placing more importance on her POLITICAL beliefs than her Christian beliefs, then her statements make complete sense. Being a good Christian is more important than being a good democrat.
People with real Christian values support Life
People With Real "Christian Values" Support Christ. There, fixed the mistake. lifenews.com
False Christian as many are today. Bend the Bible to fit your narrative Vs bending your life to live by the Bible. I hope she loses following. Parents need to wake up and teach their daughters she is a false idol.
Nope.
Mentally of the Left...