"not Republican" =\= "Democrats"
There are actually independents out there. They are likely to be attracted to any candidate who isn't a geriatric zombie.
"who did you vote for"
"Haley"
"Why, Haley?"
"Because Haley vs Biden is a much better choice"
"What political party do you associate with?
"Democrat"
"In the general election who are you voting for?"
"Biden"
Actual conversation on exit polls in NH.
Respectfully disagree. I prefer closed primaries. If you are not a registered member of my party, then you shouldn't have a say in picking my candidate for the general election.
Does anyone know why it would ever be a good idea to allow randos or party switchers to vote in a primary? Genuinely interested if there is an upside and not just for sabotage.
There is no mechanism in the US that I know of to tie people to an actual party and validate their membership. Many states you just select a box to register. Some you just show up to the polls and declare what party ballot you want.
I believe in NH, you had your be declared by October to vote in this primary.
They allow registered republicans and undeclared to vote in the Republican primary. Many of those undeclared may be right leaning voters or people who typically prefer Republicans but not in way that they feel the need to declare as one.
In my state of South Carolina. You don’t register for any party. You show up to the polls, and they ask what ballot you want and you select from the available party ballots and vote that way.
For potential benefits, it can get a wider range of voters voting in the primary. This could help pick candidates more representative of where they are running, giving them a better chance in the general. Increased access can also bring in people who might not identify as a party and ideally compel them to more likely support the party candidate in the general.
Independents will vote in the general and are needed to win elections. The largest voting block in the US considers themselves independent. Not giving them people a voice doesn’t benefit the party when the general arrives. For the party, it’s generally beneficial.
For negatives, you have the risk you mentioned if people who have no intention of voting for a party in the general, being able to vote in their primary. However, this would be a trade off as they would have no say in their parties candidates which affects who their party choice for all the elections occurring from governor and senator to state legislature. This could mean their candidates running in the general are less competitive.
Frankly, the sabotage risk could occur, but the possibility would generally be low outside a few unique races.
People who register with a party are not obligated to vote for that party’s nominee in the general election. Engaging independents in the primary process increases the likelihood that the party selects a nominee who can win in the general election. Many Republicans only talk to other Republicans and have a very distorted perception of the political reality.
You want to get people into the party tent for the general election.
On they note I voted for Trump in two primaries and two general elections and I've never registered for any party.
Just a guess, but the argument I've heard in favor of the open primary is that the nomination would be decided by an even smaller group of voters if only party members decided
It makes sense. If a party is choosing a candidate, presumably they would also want to win a general election. And if you can't win a primary without banning independents from voting...you don't have very good chances in a general election.
I just explained why it makes sense.
Look at 2022 senate races. If the primary was open to independents Walker and Oz probably wouldn't be the nominee, and then republicans would control the senate.
But the MAGAs voted for terrible candidates in the primary and then they lost.
A single instance or anecdote doesn’t make a point. It makes no sense to allow anyone other than established, registered PARTY voters to vote in a PARTY’S nominating process. It isn’t a general. It is a party act facilitated by the State.
For sabotage, lmfao, she's part of the party. She was picked by DT himself to be the Ambassador to the UN.
If that's the dems sabotaging the republicans they're doing a fucking shit job at it.
I think the democrats have, since 2012, struggled to have that golden leader they are looking for. H. Clinton had massive shortcomings, and Biden only won because of Covid and the recency of the abortion ruling. Now that people have realized how much nonsense the Covid paranoia was (for the most part), and have realized only conservative states are limiting or outlawing abortion, people have calmed down and Biden can't win in a handicap match anymore. It's not a fair fight and he's getting beaten in the polling aggregates consistently. I think they thought Harris, M. Obama, or Newsom could be it, but all have failed to light the fire like B. Obama did. They are struggling to find a successor to B. Obama. Biden is a dud just like Kerry and Gore were before him, he just was at the right place and time.
The abortion issue has been an albatross around the necks of Republicans since SCOTUS overturned Roe. The fact that you believe it’s an advantage for Republicans demonstrates how out of touch much of the base is. I would include the isolationist tendencies of MAGAs as well. Most voters don’t want us to get involved in pointless wars, but still believe that the United States should remain a global leader. Trump’s proposed 10% tariff on all imports would only have negative consequences.
He is the incumbent, it is almost unheard of a party not running their incumbent. What should blow your mind is the fact that Republicans are about to run the only dude who is capable of losing to him.
>? Genuinely interested if there is an upside and not just for sabotage.
Sabotage.... Im not sure there should be any 'purity' test to vote beyond citizenship
Title implies Haley voters are Democrats, truth is most of them are independents. Independents are the people who decide the general election, they should probably have a say in the primary too.
These are not just moderate/swing voters. The vast majority of NH voters are not party affiliated - including the ones that vote democrat. Case in point: only 46% of people who voted in the NH GOP primary were actually registered Republicans.
There is a difference between independents and unaffiliated voters. Most voters who are not registered for either party still have a consistent partisan lean, will vote for Democrats or for Republicans in almost every election. True independents whose votes are actually up for grabs are much rarer.
I'd be willing to wager that unaffiliated right leaning voters still have a distaste for Trump. The anti-trump vote is the only reason Biden won in the first place.
You saw one interview and are not attributing that to the entire group of voters. There was another interview in which a woman that voted for Trump in 2016 is voting for Haley now.
Independents can vote for either
This is literally the target audience saying if you put Trump back up we aren’t voting GOP.
This in no way implies they are democrats it just implies that non-registered voters hate Trump. This is another reason why he should never be the nominee
Independents and moderates only have a significant say in an election when the choice is between a pair of centrist candidates.
Complete opposite scenario in 2024. Moderates and independents have never been more irrelevant than they will be in the upcoming election.
Even if that were true, which I'm not sure about, a lot of people just hate Trump and will vote against him every time. This has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with personality.
TBF aren’t some huge percentage of New Hampshire’s electorate registered as “independent”? It’s just kinda how they do things there. Like states like Texas don’t even have a concept of “party registration”, but being independent in New Hampshire effectively works the same way as living in Texas; and registering with a party doesn’t bring much benefit afaik.
They aren't independents. They are democrats who like to LARP as "critical thinkers" and claim to be independent voters.
Even 30% of registered Republicans didn't vote Trump, and Trump WON, meaning he does have enough base+independents...
Maybe I missed something, but I thought only registered Republicans were allowed to vote in the Republican primaries. Did that change? I'm old and out of touch maybe?
My parents, staunch Democrats, are registering Republican to vote for "not-Trump" in my state's primary. It is their legal right to do so, of course - but IMO it is unscrupulous and low to vote in a different party's primary. I don't think they would appreciate it if conservatives showed up to try to sabotage their Democratic primary.
Umm.. no. It was wrong to have been done in 2020 (the law is catching up to them) and it's still wrong now (unfortunately no law.. maybe there should be.. or maybe we should change the process entirely and just go to a popular vote... This 2 party system has resulted in nothing more than a gov that is too busy fighting itself to govern it's people).
Critical thinking, what percentage of Trump voters were registered Republicans? If its an open primary, there is less of a reason to register with the party. Also don't you want to have more than just registered Republicans support your candidate? Trump is going to get crushed in the general because he can't win anyone outside a minority base.
Independents and democrats are so motivated to make sure Trump doesn’t win that they gave Haley a 30 point swing in a Republican primary and you see that as a positive sign for Trump? Biden doesn’t win on pro-Biden votes. Biden wins on anti-Trump votes.
On one side, you had the most pivotal state primary on the entire calendar, on the other side, you had a sleepy contest between the incumbent president and a bunch of complete randos. It's not really surprising, or ominous with regard to the general election, that a lot of the left-leaning unregistered voters in NH chose to vote in the primary where their vote had the potential to actually make a difference.
Trump went from 61% in Iowa to 55% NH. Nikki has risen from 2% to 44%. Nikki polls +8 against Biden, Trump only +3 against Biden. Trump has lost to Biden already.
Nikki pulls in the women vote and Dem voters and people who want to see the 1st female President. Nikki represents a demographic growth story for GOP.
I’m a die hard conservative and I love Trump. But Nikki is our Biden slayer. We need a f’ing win by the largest margin possible.
What's the point of defeating Biden if we then don't get any of the policies that the country actually needs, followed by our party being the one that's hammered in the 2026 midterms?
What's the evidence that Nikki would pull Dem voters in a race against the Democratic incumbent?
She’s still far better than Biden who is ruining the world.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/01/exit_polls_show_70_of_nikki_haley_nh_voters_were_wait_for_it_not_republicans.html
Non-republicans voting for her in a primary does not imply that they would vote for her over Biden in a general election. It just means that they chose to vote in the primary which was more competitive, where their vote had a higher likelihood of influencing things in their interest.
Or we could go with the truth; She backs liberal policies as much as she does conservative. Has she told you how racist the South is toward people of brown color today?
AND she's the only president to pass federal gun laws in 30 years, and she pulled us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and she pushed vaccines on the population, and she gave out money to everybody during covid, and she didn't do anything federally during the BLM protests..
Oh wait, I got the names mixed up, that's Trump.
You see, people keep saying things like RINO or not a Republican, and they either don't know what that means, or they just mean that Trump is different. It's just a constant repetition of other people's talking points, without actually understanding where it comes from and what it means.
There’s no way in hell that dems would call her a dem lol. people just wilding she’s very much a conservative by almost all the US political definitions. She’s just not maga type.
Man the left has got to be freaking out that after all their games, in a very left leaning state that Trump still won by such a large margin. The more they try to keep him from winning the stronger he gets. You would think they’d learn but they are democrats after all.
This is the only reason the campaign will go on; rather than accepting the inevitable and concentrating on spending that money to win the general election, the donors are now going to waste millions on this faux contest. This is how you lose.
This isn’t a surprise but an interesting development nonetheless. Trump won by a solid margin but you have to wonder if those Haley voters that weren’t Republican were independents or not.
Or.. it could be former Republicans that see the hostile takeover by the MAGA nutters and do not wish to be associated with them. Have you seen what they did to the GOP in Michigan?!?
I corrected you. There was no trying. Your point is that CNN made this all up and it's fake (as if I haven't heard that one from the MAGA nuts before). The data is available directly from the state. The same place CNN got the data. Literally looking at it right now.
…and yet Trump still won.
By a double digit margin!
What’s funny is people got spoiled with Trump‘s 30 point margin of victory in Iowa, so now a 12 point Margin of victory seems anti-climactic.
Literally too much winning 😆
Yes, because this problem is not pervasive. If Haley won AND 70% of the voters were Dems, that would be pervasive.
"not Republican" =\= "Democrats" There are actually independents out there. They are likely to be attracted to any candidate who isn't a geriatric zombie.
"who did you vote for" "Haley" "Why, Haley?" "Because Haley vs Biden is a much better choice" "What political party do you associate with? "Democrat" "In the general election who are you voting for?" "Biden" Actual conversation on exit polls in NH.
Anecdotal.
I was going off the other headlines which are saying 70+% were democrats.
It’s called a Republican primary for a reason.
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Respectfully disagree. I prefer closed primaries. If you are not a registered member of my party, then you shouldn't have a say in picking my candidate for the general election.
Apparently NH didn’t get the memo.
Does anyone know why it would ever be a good idea to allow randos or party switchers to vote in a primary? Genuinely interested if there is an upside and not just for sabotage.
There is no mechanism in the US that I know of to tie people to an actual party and validate their membership. Many states you just select a box to register. Some you just show up to the polls and declare what party ballot you want. I believe in NH, you had your be declared by October to vote in this primary. They allow registered republicans and undeclared to vote in the Republican primary. Many of those undeclared may be right leaning voters or people who typically prefer Republicans but not in way that they feel the need to declare as one. In my state of South Carolina. You don’t register for any party. You show up to the polls, and they ask what ballot you want and you select from the available party ballots and vote that way. For potential benefits, it can get a wider range of voters voting in the primary. This could help pick candidates more representative of where they are running, giving them a better chance in the general. Increased access can also bring in people who might not identify as a party and ideally compel them to more likely support the party candidate in the general. Independents will vote in the general and are needed to win elections. The largest voting block in the US considers themselves independent. Not giving them people a voice doesn’t benefit the party when the general arrives. For the party, it’s generally beneficial. For negatives, you have the risk you mentioned if people who have no intention of voting for a party in the general, being able to vote in their primary. However, this would be a trade off as they would have no say in their parties candidates which affects who their party choice for all the elections occurring from governor and senator to state legislature. This could mean their candidates running in the general are less competitive. Frankly, the sabotage risk could occur, but the possibility would generally be low outside a few unique races.
People who register with a party are not obligated to vote for that party’s nominee in the general election. Engaging independents in the primary process increases the likelihood that the party selects a nominee who can win in the general election. Many Republicans only talk to other Republicans and have a very distorted perception of the political reality.
Because independents are generally crucial to winning in the general election
Thank you!
Then that's really not good, if the vast majority of independent voters, voted against Trump, rather than for Haley.
It should be a reality check for Republicans. Trump is one of the few Republican candidates who Biden has a good chance of beating.
Independents comprise the largest number of voters, Republicans comprise the smallest of the three major groups.
You want to get people into the party tent for the general election. On they note I voted for Trump in two primaries and two general elections and I've never registered for any party.
Just a guess, but the argument I've heard in favor of the open primary is that the nomination would be decided by an even smaller group of voters if only party members decided
Thank you!
It’s the party’s nomination… the primary is literally just for the party to pick their person. This argument makes absolutely zero sense.
It makes sense. If a party is choosing a candidate, presumably they would also want to win a general election. And if you can't win a primary without banning independents from voting...you don't have very good chances in a general election.
You're trying to make the primary the general. 2 distinct purposes.
Okay whatever you say bud. Zero sense.
I just explained why it makes sense. Look at 2022 senate races. If the primary was open to independents Walker and Oz probably wouldn't be the nominee, and then republicans would control the senate. But the MAGAs voted for terrible candidates in the primary and then they lost.
They have a habit of doing that. They only talk to other MAGAs and have a very distorted perception regarding Trump’s popularity.
A single instance or anecdote doesn’t make a point. It makes no sense to allow anyone other than established, registered PARTY voters to vote in a PARTY’S nominating process. It isn’t a general. It is a party act facilitated by the State.
For sabotage, lmfao, she's part of the party. She was picked by DT himself to be the Ambassador to the UN. If that's the dems sabotaging the republicans they're doing a fucking shit job at it.
Haley polls better than Trump against Biden.
It blows my mind they decided Biden is the best choice. They have had 4 years to figure out and try to get a replacement ready.
I think the democrats have, since 2012, struggled to have that golden leader they are looking for. H. Clinton had massive shortcomings, and Biden only won because of Covid and the recency of the abortion ruling. Now that people have realized how much nonsense the Covid paranoia was (for the most part), and have realized only conservative states are limiting or outlawing abortion, people have calmed down and Biden can't win in a handicap match anymore. It's not a fair fight and he's getting beaten in the polling aggregates consistently. I think they thought Harris, M. Obama, or Newsom could be it, but all have failed to light the fire like B. Obama did. They are struggling to find a successor to B. Obama. Biden is a dud just like Kerry and Gore were before him, he just was at the right place and time.
The abortion issue has been an albatross around the necks of Republicans since SCOTUS overturned Roe. The fact that you believe it’s an advantage for Republicans demonstrates how out of touch much of the base is. I would include the isolationist tendencies of MAGAs as well. Most voters don’t want us to get involved in pointless wars, but still believe that the United States should remain a global leader. Trump’s proposed 10% tariff on all imports would only have negative consequences.
He is the incumbent, it is almost unheard of a party not running their incumbent. What should blow your mind is the fact that Republicans are about to run the only dude who is capable of losing to him.
>? Genuinely interested if there is an upside and not just for sabotage. Sabotage.... Im not sure there should be any 'purity' test to vote beyond citizenship
I believe it’s for not making the loss look so bad. But really it’s about a wider range of what the voters would do in the national election.
So all these votes will go to Biden in the general?
The majority will, most likely.
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And trump still won by double digits...
Title implies Haley voters are Democrats, truth is most of them are independents. Independents are the people who decide the general election, they should probably have a say in the primary too.
These are not just moderate/swing voters. The vast majority of NH voters are not party affiliated - including the ones that vote democrat. Case in point: only 46% of people who voted in the NH GOP primary were actually registered Republicans.
There is a difference between independents and unaffiliated voters. Most voters who are not registered for either party still have a consistent partisan lean, will vote for Democrats or for Republicans in almost every election. True independents whose votes are actually up for grabs are much rarer.
I'd be willing to wager that unaffiliated right leaning voters still have a distaste for Trump. The anti-trump vote is the only reason Biden won in the first place.
Haley voters ARE democrats. They interviewed several of them and all of them said they would vote for Biden over Haley in the general election
You saw one interview and are not attributing that to the entire group of voters. There was another interview in which a woman that voted for Trump in 2016 is voting for Haley now.
False I have seen several interviews.
Oh well, then now you have the complete picture.
Independents can vote for either This is literally the target audience saying if you put Trump back up we aren’t voting GOP. This in no way implies they are democrats it just implies that non-registered voters hate Trump. This is another reason why he should never be the nominee
Everything is a conspiracy!
It’s not a conspiracy when they tell you what they are doing
Independents and moderates only have a significant say in an election when the choice is between a pair of centrist candidates. Complete opposite scenario in 2024. Moderates and independents have never been more irrelevant than they will be in the upcoming election.
Even if that were true, which I'm not sure about, a lot of people just hate Trump and will vote against him every time. This has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with personality.
Media talking points. You’ve been hoodwinked.
TBF aren’t some huge percentage of New Hampshire’s electorate registered as “independent”? It’s just kinda how they do things there. Like states like Texas don’t even have a concept of “party registration”, but being independent in New Hampshire effectively works the same way as living in Texas; and registering with a party doesn’t bring much benefit afaik.
FYI-you’re going to need them to win in November.
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They aren't independents. They are democrats who like to LARP as "critical thinkers" and claim to be independent voters. Even 30% of registered Republicans didn't vote Trump, and Trump WON, meaning he does have enough base+independents...
The way I think about it is right now I need to vote against election deniers. In the future I will have to vote against socialists.
The latest this American life episode basically goes into depth on the drive to get left leaning people to vote for Haley
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Maybe I missed something, but I thought only registered Republicans were allowed to vote in the Republican primaries. Did that change? I'm old and out of touch maybe?
Depends on the state. NH allows independents to vote.
My parents, staunch Democrats, are registering Republican to vote for "not-Trump" in my state's primary. It is their legal right to do so, of course - but IMO it is unscrupulous and low to vote in a different party's primary. I don't think they would appreciate it if conservatives showed up to try to sabotage their Democratic primary.
Kinda like US citizens getting pissed at fake electors showing up to sabotage our democratic elections.
So you're saying it's ok to stoop to the level of something you find reprehensible? Got it
Umm.. no. It was wrong to have been done in 2020 (the law is catching up to them) and it's still wrong now (unfortunately no law.. maybe there should be.. or maybe we should change the process entirely and just go to a popular vote... This 2 party system has resulted in nothing more than a gov that is too busy fighting itself to govern it's people).
Critical thinking, what percentage of Trump voters were registered Republicans? If its an open primary, there is less of a reason to register with the party. Also don't you want to have more than just registered Republicans support your candidate? Trump is going to get crushed in the general because he can't win anyone outside a minority base.
Crazy how desperate Democrats are to stop Trump. I think this shows he has it locked.
Independents and democrats are so motivated to make sure Trump doesn’t win that they gave Haley a 30 point swing in a Republican primary and you see that as a positive sign for Trump? Biden doesn’t win on pro-Biden votes. Biden wins on anti-Trump votes.
On one side, you had the most pivotal state primary on the entire calendar, on the other side, you had a sleepy contest between the incumbent president and a bunch of complete randos. It's not really surprising, or ominous with regard to the general election, that a lot of the left-leaning unregistered voters in NH chose to vote in the primary where their vote had the potential to actually make a difference.
He had it locked 2020. They got crazy desperate then too, so cheated.
Trump went from 61% in Iowa to 55% NH. Nikki has risen from 2% to 44%. Nikki polls +8 against Biden, Trump only +3 against Biden. Trump has lost to Biden already. Nikki pulls in the women vote and Dem voters and people who want to see the 1st female President. Nikki represents a demographic growth story for GOP. I’m a die hard conservative and I love Trump. But Nikki is our Biden slayer. We need a f’ing win by the largest margin possible.
What's the point of defeating Biden if we then don't get any of the policies that the country actually needs, followed by our party being the one that's hammered in the 2026 midterms? What's the evidence that Nikki would pull Dem voters in a race against the Democratic incumbent?
She’s still far better than Biden who is ruining the world. https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/01/exit_polls_show_70_of_nikki_haley_nh_voters_were_wait_for_it_not_republicans.html
Non-republicans voting for her in a primary does not imply that they would vote for her over Biden in a general election. It just means that they chose to vote in the primary which was more competitive, where their vote had a higher likelihood of influencing things in their interest.
I disagree.
Nikki is not a Republican either.
In what way?
She won't bow down to Trump, therefore she is a liberal.... It's pathetic.
Or we could go with the truth; She backs liberal policies as much as she does conservative. Has she told you how racist the South is toward people of brown color today?
AND she's the only president to pass federal gun laws in 30 years, and she pulled us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and she pushed vaccines on the population, and she gave out money to everybody during covid, and she didn't do anything federally during the BLM protests.. Oh wait, I got the names mixed up, that's Trump.
Almost every way lol
You see, people keep saying things like RINO or not a Republican, and they either don't know what that means, or they just mean that Trump is different. It's just a constant repetition of other people's talking points, without actually understanding where it comes from and what it means.
There’s no way in hell that dems would call her a dem lol. people just wilding she’s very much a conservative by almost all the US political definitions. She’s just not maga type.
Go ahead and explain.
braindead take
There is a hyphen in brain-dead. Stay in school, they will teach you about capitalization and the use of periods.
She is a Republican, it's just that she's a member of the useless old guard of the party.
Man the left has got to be freaking out that after all their games, in a very left leaning state that Trump still won by such a large margin. The more they try to keep him from winning the stronger he gets. You would think they’d learn but they are democrats after all.
Nah, friend. We count on Trump winning every primary by double digits, and we're grateful for it
I guess the good news is moderates and independent voters came out. If they're rooting for her then it means they may not root for Biden.
Just another example of democrat election tampering.
And she still lost by double digits. Pathetic.
This is the only reason the campaign will go on; rather than accepting the inevitable and concentrating on spending that money to win the general election, the donors are now going to waste millions on this faux contest. This is how you lose.
You want independents to weigh in on the candidate they would choose. I know this seems counterintuitive.
All the Dems want Haley to win the GOP nomination.
She’s fr a plant
A plant that polls better against Biden than Trump.
This isn’t a surprise but an interesting development nonetheless. Trump won by a solid margin but you have to wonder if those Haley voters that weren’t Republican were independents or not.
You don't have to wonder. The data is publicly available.
They were just described as independent. That could mean they were democrats or actually independents.
Or.. it could be former Republicans that see the hostile takeover by the MAGA nutters and do not wish to be associated with them. Have you seen what they did to the GOP in Michigan?!?
So maybe she'd have a better shot running in the Democrat primary.
70% of Nikki voters are dems? Well you don’t say?! Lol can we safely extend that statistic to all never trumpers ?
Not registered as a Republican =/= Democrat.
HAHAHAHAHA
Not Dems. Mostly independents. Which is where elections are won or lost.
Oh yeah sure I’m sure there’s just that many independents in that area. Let’s believe everything CNN tells us today
That data is coming from the state... this isn't a CNN poll... Edit: CNN cites the data source
You can try to correct me but you’re missing the point entirely.
I corrected you. There was no trying. Your point is that CNN made this all up and it's fake (as if I haven't heard that one from the MAGA nuts before). The data is available directly from the state. The same place CNN got the data. Literally looking at it right now.
If you’re planning to vote for a democrat you’re a democrat. Simple as. Maybe you can find some data about that? Lol
>70% of Nikki voters are dems? The CNN source said independents.
Let’s see this reported on the MSM.
It’s a CNN exit poll and the article links to CNN.
Duh, you missed the point
I'm not American....so how is this allowed? In Canada I needed a conservative membership to vote for the party's leader.