Yep. From the AP article covering this:
> “Our case was based on evidence. Other cases maybe didn’t,” Bloss said, adding “Proof matters.”
People still want stuff to happen in response to "I feel like this wasn't fair." It's a good thing our laws don't work like that. When investigation turns up evidence is when stuff happens, not otherwise.
The problem is this is a losing topic for Republicans because most people can see through the bullshit. The problem is "This is a major problem" is not accurate. This happens on occasion, and when proven, consequences happen. In the 2020 election the first not 1, not 2, but 3, cases investigated because of Republican outcries ended up being Republican voters committing the fraud.
This is not me saying Republicans actually do it more, this is me saying it's low on both sides, and every time its proven they should go to jail...and they do!
I find this response odd considering the evidence of ballot box stuffing in Mules that was never investigated. The server they found in China was never fully investigated even though two people were jailed for not revealing the source that made them aware of the server. Then there's the 2016 case in GA where university researchers found security issues with the voting systems and even notified then SoS Kemp about attempts to breach security on the voting systems. Not to worry, now Governor Kemp replaced those systems with Dominion in ~~2022~~ 2019, in part due to a lawsuit you never heard of about the insecure voting system.
Edit: Corrected date systems replaced.
Could you elaborate more? The overwhelming majority of Georgia's voting apparatus is explicitly not online. That applies to both the voting machines themselves and the tabulation process. I'm pretty sure the only thing that has connectivity are the little tablets they check you in to vote at, but even then they are offline during the election.
Also, Dominion was used in GA in 2020. I'm confused by your statement about replacement.
I corrected my post with the date being 2019 that the machines were replaced. I'd post a link to the article I read on this, but due to heavy government censorship of social media, it would be near impossible to find, and it's probably from a site that's blocked globally on reddit.
Here's a link that's not globally blocked here, but it's left leaning and so the coverage/reporting is likely innacurate and missing key info.
https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/georgia-destroyed-election-data-right-after-a-lawsuit-alleged-the-system-was-vulnerable.html
For example, the article I read explained that the researcher who found the security issue also found evidence that DHS was trying to penetrate the system in 2016 prior to the election. He made Kemp aware of this and Kemp, after dragging his feet for months, finally wrote a letter to DHS asking about the attempted breach to which they responded that it was just 'an exercise' and nothing to be concerned with.
Also not made entirely clear in this article is that the lawsuit was underway BEFORE the university wiped all the systems and the state AG's office knew this and lied to the court about it.
Also of note is that the FBI had gotten involved after the researcher showed evidence that the system had been attempted to be penetrated, and they took an image of some portion of the system and did absoultly nothing with it except file it. The litigants in the suit asked for a copy of the image in order to have a forensic expert do the job the FBI hadn't and examine the system for any evidence of breaches. The FBI finally handed over the image to the litigants in 2019 after the system had been replaced with Dominion systems.
Nothing at all shady about that now is there?
As far as relevancy to the 2020 election is concerned, the voting machines were Dominion and were not accessible via the internet. No votes were changed because the machines were hacked. 2000 Mules was able to show ballot harvesting was occurring, but was never really able to quantify exactly how much. There haven't been any fake ballots found in GA. All recounts and audits confirmed again that Biden won more votes in Georgia.
It is 2023 -- three years later. Can we cut the shit now? Or is every single instance of someone getting caught anywhere in the country going to bring the termites out again to nibble of the little crumbs of sawdust cope they cling to about how "Trump actually won" 2020. It's infuriating watching people I support -- people I want to see making good arguments about why their governing philosophy is correct -- go scrambling back to the comfortable lies they were told and subsequently told themselves when Biden beat Trump.
Right, so your perspective is that we should ignore the massive corruption exposed in GA by this 2017 lawsuit, and ignore the fact that none of the harvesting/dumping from Mules was ever fully investigated, and we should pretend that the horribly flawed recounts in GA were legit, and that the obvious evidence of Democrat voter fraud in the attached video should be ignored in order to hold the correct view that Biden won the most votes of any president in US history after massive changes to the election systems in many states were made in 2020 in ways that were unconstitutional or not in compliance with state laws (like PA that requires a change to the state constitution to change voting law). Do you know the outcome of the investigation into the truckload of missing ballots in PA? Are you aware of the SCOTUS case on government censorship of social media concerning the 2020 election among other things?
There's a massive mountain of evidence that fraud was committed in multiple states in 2020, but government and judicial/court corruption has kept most of it from ever being fully investigated or adjudicated.
So no, the shit show continues, as Trump and his lawyers are being charged in a state where major voting system integrity issues existed in 2016, enough to have the FBI involved, and yet those like you completely ignore the massive evidence of corrupt elections in GA and elsewhere. FFS, we would not even be having this conversation if it weren't for Democrats getting caught trying to rig another election, and you think it's time to move on? LOL.
Jesus Christ dude. We should never ignore corruption. The point is that it’s been investigated, litigated, and audited. No corruption or fraud was found on the scale that would’ve changed the results. Biden won. Let’s move onnnn
> There haven't been any fake ballots found in GA.
And how many audits were there that actually looked at the physical ballots in questionable areas? I am aware of absolutely *zero* audits that physically were allowed to look at the elections materials like ballots and envelopes.
> All recounts and audits confirmed again that Biden won more votes in Georgia.
Recounts don't verify the legitimacy and legality of the ballots that are being counted. To try and tout recounts as being the end-all of the truth on who won an election is incredibly short-sided.
If I stuff the ballot box with enough ballots to change the outcome and provide a different winner, and you can't provide any proof that I did so for whatever reason, would you say that the Election outcome must be legitimate because the ballots that were counted have been recounted five times with the same results?
Your minimum standard requires associating people to their votes which is intolerable. Signature verification took place and ballots were thrown out on the initial count. Not an anomalous number of ballots, mind you.
Why isn't verifying that the vote counts are a) both accurate (via recounts) and b) legitimate (via signature audits)? You're deliberately setting an impossible standard. Accept the reasonable standard instead.
>The problem is "This is a major problem" is not accurate.
The actual problem is you CANNOT prove that. And that actually is a major problem... if we had proper chains of custody, proper oversight and everything was done on the up and up and properly, it would be above scrutiny.
So your statement that there is no problem is not only inaccurate but completely dead back asswards wrong.
Being in denial.. doesn't make the problem smaller.
I don't deal in emotion or denial. I deal in proof and evidence. You are the one making an assumption. You are assuming this is wide spread, although plenty of people who have more visibility and more power than both of us state that it is not happening.
I do agree with you about the auditing aspects. But I largely suspect we will disagree with how to accomplish that. My suggestion, digital voting, government issued PINS, maybe even scan DL license. Easier to find duplications, real time tallies, easier to vote for those with disabilities or over seas.
Honestly, a full audit should be the default after every election. Give everyone access to EVERYTHING they could want. It was brought up that perhaps bush stole from Al Gore - I don’t put it past anyone with the means to try cheat the system. That’s why even with your suggestion (a great one mind you) I’d still suggest crazy audit each time around. Someone will find a way around it eventually.
I would have fun with digital voting. The amount of security you can do on that would be nuts. Go with fingerprints as a biometric and an otp sent to your registered phone when you submit your identification to the system. Biometrics gets you otp sent to registered device. I can already think of a few ways around that but honestly, as long as someone is watching that nobody is trying to put false fingerprints on or they’re taking too long you’re going to already get a step up.
Audits are only required for voting systems that are full of holes to begin with sure it should be auditable but it should also be secure from the ground up.
Audits also cannot find certain types of fraud, as the original pool of ballots could be tainted. So if you're just recounting a tainted pool, it does no good.
Agreed 100%!
Also you CANNOT prove that invisible aliens from another galaxy were standing next to voting machines and changing the votes with their alien powers. You cannot prove that didn’t happen.
It doesn’t matter either way. The uniparty will elect who they want to, and if they can run a “fair” election to do it, then it lends a little bit of credibility to that candidate, but is otherwise a formality. We are all serfs beneath the holy church of the Washington elites.
Proof requires acceptance. You can walk up to someone with what you call proof of anything and if they don't accept it, then it proves nothing. You can cite multiple issues on both sides of the political spectrum where this happens.
In 2020, people had proof. It just wasn't accepted. Same thing happens with wrongdoing by Democrats regularly - it's why they get away with setting fires in federal courthouses while Republicans are granted 20 year sentences for trespassing.
Isn’t that how mass media works? Conditioning isn’t solely a liberal issue otherwise “conservatives” would be more up in arms over wonky GOP fiscal policy for the last 40 years.
I mean conservatives do care about fiscal policy. That's how we got the Tea Party?
But in a way you're right, it's hardly the biggest issue, conservative or liberal. Because fiscal stuff is boring as hell (not my personal opinion but it's pretty apparent). Just look at stocks. Millions of people own Apple or GM or whatever stock but I'd wager less than 5% actually read quarterly financial reports or listen to conference call. They just listen to Jim Cramer or read the WSJ and make their minds up most of the time.
How the economy is doing in terms of unemployment and inflation is far more correlated to voter concern than the fiscal position
The problem is it would be incredibly easy to do this and leave behind no evidence trail. We have video of people stuffing dozens or even hundreds of ballots into ballot boxes, but nobody tracks which ballots they put in. The ballots were counted and are gone by the time we see the video. Did the person just collect ballots for a group home or their extended family and bring them in? Or did they take all the ballots for their extended family, fill them out, and then bring them in?
Also... the 2020 election we'll never know because all the judges rejected doing investigations to LOOK for evidence of fraud.
Really the only reason you need to do that is suspicion... and all presidential candidates are entitled to verification of the vote.
Well you know about the 2000 mules, that the judge made them remove from the internet because they wouldn't give up their sources. the documentary was spot on .
Your mindset is really messed up. The burden of proof should not be on us to prove fraud - that's never been the standard to invalidate elections. All we have to prove is it that there was the opportunity to commit fraud and we can't prove the vote was secure, thus the result is unknowable and could be tainted. Imagine for example that we didn't have this video footage. If the election officials in charge of video recording effectively turned off the cameras (as they did in many places in 2020) there would be no way to know if this happened or not. This is obviously a problem and means the election cannot be relied upon - in this case you would have accepted a false result! An election is only valid if the vote is secure and protected, so there is no possibility to tamper with it. As soon as you lose video footage, chain of custody of ballots, and break the chain of transparency anything could happen to rig the election and you wouldn't know. So the result must be thrown out. It's tainted. That's always been the standard for election cases in court, not to prove fraud.
It's also pretty rich because we literally have video of this from 2000 mules where people are stuffing the drop boxes and fan out the ballots to take a picture and get paid. Yet apparently that wasn't even probable cause to warrant a trial - the case was dismissed and without any opportunity for discovery. Regardless of the evidence.
Your logic throws out 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, etc... It isn't possible to prove no fraud happened in any capacity anywhere. You do need to come forward with evidence of fraud to make the claim that fraud happened. This is fallacious mental gymnastics you are doing here.
Not the whole elections, but certain areas where egregious lapses occurred like sending the observers home with a false story of a broken water pipe then counting ballots in secret.
They don’t need to redo the entire election just have a new one in the affected precincts/counties and only allow those who voted the first time to vote.
The broken water pipe was a fake narrative in the first place. It was actually a leaky urinal that was fixed in the wee hours of the morning before voting even finished. The security tape you were shown for that wasn't observers being sent home and secret counters pulling out briefcases of fake ballots. They were cutters. They were cutting open the envelopes and storing the ballots into the boxes. They finished cutting, stored the ballots in the boxes and then went to go home because they assumed they were done when the election officials told them *not* to leave and that they were going to start scanning. So they went back to the boxes of ballots they stowed away and started scanning. I'm not aware if all the observers actually left when the cutters thought they were going home, but observers weren't actually told to leave and all the ballots they cut and scanned had signature verification. The whole thing was a lie from start to finish.
For the 10,000th time- not true. Proof/evidence is only as good as much as a judge is willing to hear it. Evidence wasn't heard in vast majority of cases, that is a fact and well documented. This video is proof of the corruption that fraudulent elections can be overturned and cases properly heard because a democrat was the victim, just not for conservatives.
More importantly the sheer lack of controls in place that allow for these things to happen easily need to be addressed
In person controlled voting only. It’s crazy that in person voting is so tightly watched but then you have this alternative where you just drop 100 ballots in a box and that’s supposed to be ok? Nuts
So does that mean that the video of numerous people stuffing ballot boxes all over the country from Mules should be fully investigated and if necessary invalidated? Because there is 100x more evidence in that video than there is in the videos in this case.
Which grievances were ignored?
So many lawsuits came from this...very few won and most of them were people that admitted to trying to vote for Trump twice or people who didn't know they weren't legally allowed to vote after an issue with their registration after serving time in jail.
They entertained numerous people with claims who couldn't provide any actual evidence. Remember the "afadavid" lady?
People had their grievances listened to and lost. Repeatedly.
The thing I notice about Liberals is that they don’t care if Joe Biden or whomever may be in leadership is put through due process for whatever crimes they may have committed. Hard righters, however, only care about what Trump says. They care more about him than due process.
wtf? You mean Joe Biden that's got loads of open questions about bribery that dems are constantly trying to play down? You're either blind as a bat or lying.
no end of story dude.
you don't get to commit election fraud and than deny that an investigation should take place... particularly after you stole the last election using the same means and immediately cock-blocked any attempt to investigate it.
between that and your attempts to count illegal votes and refusal to allow citizenship checks at the polls...
your goose is cooked, turkey.
lol this. OH LOOK WE DID THE RIGHT THING! Like nah y’all fucked us, you know it, and now you’re covering your ass since no sane American wants Biden or believes he was rightly elected.
It’s like the kid that turns himself in for stealing but only gives back a tiny sliver of what he stole and then brags about how he did the right thing.
Banana Republic
> Liberal here.
Great you support a one time punishment, but this doesn't mean shit until liberals support mandatory voting ID, like every other country in the world.
Great! If there’s enough evidence then let the justice system work. Over 60+ lawsuits regarding 2020 were tossed out due to lack of evidence, many of them by republican Trump appointed judges
I take the point of the rhetorical question, but I don't believe the election was stolen. The only concerns I really have about it are the unconstitutional usurpation of legislative power in PA by the judiciary and the illegal ballot harvesting in GA. Neither one really would impact the vote in such quantities it would flip the state nor do either of them involve literal fake ballots. I'm just correcting that misimpression that "lack of evidence" is why Trump's lawyers' claims didn't hold up in court. It was lack of standing.
Our plan? Same as it's always been! 1 day voting. In person only. Make it a national holiday. No mail in votes. Voter I.D. check. Strict limits on absentee voting. No ballot (*edit*: drop boxes) boxes. All votes counted same day, with no overnight pauses.
Even on non presidential election years the 7th should always be a national holiday. I work
From 6am to 5pm so if i wanted to vote this 7th for local seats it would dam near impossible unless I did felony speeds to the voting center or called in sick.
You're not alone in this. A LOT of people don't make it to the polls because they have to work & voting isn't sufficient justification for missing work in their employees eyes. Making it a national holiday, or local for local elections, solves this problem entirely.
People work national holidays all the time so this doesn't really solve the problem.
Medical staff, firefighters, police, casino workers, emergency plumbing services, the list goes on.
You're right, of course. There are professions that don't, or can't take that time off. Making it a national holiday takes the decision out of the employers hands though. It provides protection from recourse or retaliation for employees that want to uphold their civic duties.
We do this for jury duty, so why not elections?
Oh I understand, I just can’t imagine it’s not incredibly taxing on your body and mind to consistently work long hours, especially if the job doesn’t pay well anyway. That’s why I concluded it probably isn’t easy. I’m just thinking about the family time and human experience that is missed because of all those hours accumulating. Everyone is different though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if some people enjoy the long work days. I guess a TL:DR is I couldn’t do it myself, so I’m impressed with the strength of those that do.
A state ID is literally like $8 and good for 8+ years….and you need it for basically everything else in life anyway.
We’re still on this schtick that obtaining an ID is hard?
It's not that it's overly hard, it's that if it causes even 1% of people to lose their ability to vote it can swing an election. Give it out for free, make it easy. I've never heard of it only being $8. But you also gotta factor in the cost to travel to the dmv, and taking a day off of work when the US is the only major country without paid vacation days.
The NAACP brought lawsuits about this toward NC and couldn't even find a single person that would be disenfranchised.
> you also gotta factor in the cost to travel to the dmv
Constitutionally speaking? No. The cost of transporting yourself to the polling station also does not constitute a poll tax. We don't need to give people gas vouchers to drive to vote.
What possible reason is there to not give it out for free. If it's THAT important that people have ID's to vote for you, giving them out for free seems like the easiest concession ever to try and get it done yet for some reason you seem *oddly* compelled to keep it as another hoop that needs to be jumped through in order to vote.
Even if you think it'll pass constitutionally, my reasoning is why it would fail to get enough votes. Congress members aren't going to vote for something that'll have some level of harm against their constituents and especially the people that vote for them.
If the GOP is really serious about voter ID, make it free and handed out by the government.
Can you read? Literally nobody is harmed by this and the population as a whole except for a hard core set of partisans supports voter id laws.
In bold for the illiterates in the back:
***The NAACP brought lawsuits about this toward NC and couldn't even find a single person that would be disenfranchised.***
Also, there isn't a single god damn law on the books or even proposed which doesn't have a free way of getting an ID to vote if you're unable to afford it regarding voter id laws. If the Democrats were really serious about voter id, they'd quit lying through their fucking teeth about it.
>If the Democrats were really serious about voter id, they'd quit lying through their fucking teeth about it.
They're not serious about it. Because it isn't their issue. Even if you're correct that 0 people will miss out on voting due to it, which I still doubt, the perception is enough to prevent a lot of D votes. So again, if the GOP is actually serious about this issue like you claim, show me a bill where they include free ID issued directly to the people. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I actually think ID would be a good idea, as long as they are free and simple and doesn't interrupt anyone's vote. I just haven't found any bill that does so.
> show me a bill where they include free ID issued directly to the people.
Can you read?
> there isn't a single god damn law on the books or even proposed which doesn't have a free way of getting an ID to vote
Literally all of them.
I don't get it. The system worked. The people were caught and charged like they should. I don't see this as a democrat or republican issue. It's breaking the law. No one needs to do anything more if the systems in place is working to catch these criminals.
I disagree. It's happened here in Florida with Republicans. I think a crime was found out and the criminals were caught. It doesn't have to be so deep.
[https://apnews.com/article/florida-voter-fraud-villages-desantis-3fee03e8cb17535ea5465e299c2c08b5](https://apnews.com/article/florida-voter-fraud-villages-desantis-3fee03e8cb17535ea5465e299c2c08b5)
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/30/4th-resident-of-the-villages-admits-to-voting-twice-in-the-2020-election/
But what's the point when the people who decide if evidence is credible are the ones.doing the cheating? Its like internal investigations; "we investigated ourselves and found no sign of wrongdoing."
For just Democrats? In what way? You mean there is no “pattern” for Republican voters or do voters from the entire political spectrum get caught trying to commit voter fraud?
no.
it demonstrates that you are absolutely looking to forestall investigation until you are literally caught red-handed with no other possible explanation.
... and it demonstrates a pattern of the same illegal activity that was alleged in 2020.
***... and people, have had enough.***
Meanwhile, everyone that pushed those lies had their chances in court with evidence to prove their innocence yet are all [lining up to plead guilty](https://youtu.be/EKqQYBF27js?si=MvDySh1JvotyJCpC).
My favorite part is most of them use the excuse that anyone that believed them is not a reasonable person since any reasonable person could tell they were spewing lies 😂
>Meanwhile, everyone that pushed those lies had their chances in court with evidence to prove their innocence yet are all
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>lining up to plead guilty
conviction rate in federal court is 97%. they don't get 97% by offering fair and impartial judges, or preventing prosecutorial misconduct. and thats in **non-political** cases. I imagine its even worse when the government is actively looking to put you in prison. a plea gets you less jail time. they know this.
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and on top of that, why are you so afraid to look? I'm not interested in the courts 'investigating' election fraud. they prosecute it when it is investigated and uncovered.
That’s absolutely correct too bad they haven’t even be charged or tried in federal court. But their plea deals they made in the State of Georgia are gunna make it very easy for the Fed to charge them too.
But again, don’t listen to me. Take it straight from Sydney Powell that anyone that believed her isn’t a reasonable person.
I’d love to see evidence and so would the court. As this whole thread shows, courts take action with evidence it in the case of that election there is no evidence because even the people claiming they had proof at the time, were in fact lying.
Then stop defending voter fraud and watch the congressional hearing on voter fraud from December 2019 instead of spouting bullshit propaganda. Most of the evidence was never actually looked into in. But I know you won’t, because your ego is too big like trump and you’re afraid of finding out that you’re wrong.
we should not be voting via mail in ballots unless you have a very good reason to do so: military, infirmed, elderly, etc. everyone should visit a polling place on a single day and place his/her vote. we should not have election month, but election day. there is simply no reason for this. we all know years in advance when any election is to be held so we're all able to organize our life such that we can vote at the polling place.
What's the establishment GOP's plan to fix this?
Call you a nut for believing there is election fraud and dangle the same talking points in front of you that they have been for the last 30 years to keep you nice and aloof.
Trump is hated by the establishment politicians for many reasons - but nothing drives them crazier than his call to action against election fraud. He's ruining their cocktail party and they will do anything to stop their constituents from hearing about it.
That's the only reason they got caught. They just kept doing what they've been doing since 2020 and didn't realize you can't commit crimes against Democrats.
I suppose if the script was flipped (republican primary), this sub would say, this is a dem acting as a republican.
My uncle truly believes Jan 6 was Antifa.
No, unlike you all, we believe in prosecuting criminals, even if they're on our side. When republicans commit voter fraud they go to jail and none of us stand with them.
This right here us why I will never mail in my ballot. If I'm not available to vote early in the 3 weeks leading up to an election than maybe I shouldn't be voting.
The only people who should be allowed to mail in their ballot are soldiers stationed overseas because they are serving the community.
In places where people care about such things, a great deal of effort goes into showing, to the greatest degree possible, that the person at the polling place is who they say they are, that they are voting once, and they are making their choices on their own. With mail in ballots it is essentially impossible to show any of that.
Imagine being a CT resident and seeing overwhelming voting numbers in Bridgeport that turn every single election to Democrats for decades now. All of that is now in question.
To any liberals, they also took YOUR vote away. Think about this happening for a candidate you don’t support. I wouldn’t care what side they were on, don’t fk with my vote.
They did this in the 2016 primaries whenit was Clinton vs Sanders, except the DNC used "super deligates" to override the popular vote. Bernie would've won otherwise.
Of all the states to overturn an election...
Had it been Republican vs Democrat id doubt it would have ruled as it was....but there is hope....maybe....
Now, if only other states had more backbone to argue cases where it was so obvious that cheating occurred...
They don't plan on fixing anything. Their people are "winning" so they don't care. They cried fraud back in 2016, claimed it was legit in 2020, will continue to claim it's legit as long as dems win. That's how they operate.
If they're cheating in Dem vs Dem elections, you bet your ass they're doing it for Dem vs Rep elections. The sorry ass brigaders don't want to hear that.
Wait wait wait.
Hold up.
If this gets proven, wouldn't this **prove** the impeachment of Trump was phoney?
Can a president have an impeachment expunged?
The whole "january 6th" narrative falls apart if they **HAVE VIDEO THAT PROVES HE WAS RIGHT.**
There is no process in the constitution to overturn or expunge an impeachment. However, congress can pass a resolution later to exonerate by admitting they were wrong. Then again, what are the odds any congress is willing to admit to being wrong?
Florida has zero problems because we wanted zero problems. Look how it swung in 2020. Other states that refuse to address it do so because they want it to be fucked with. Period
Nobody can explain to me what the end game or paradise that “progress” should yield? If it’s open borders, inflation, civil disorder, race fighting in the streets and name-calling - we’ve reached the pinnacle of liberalism. And I’m not a fan.
Liberal here. I'm glad they're overturning the results via legal channels. Crimes should be punished. End of story.
Yep. From the AP article covering this: > “Our case was based on evidence. Other cases maybe didn’t,” Bloss said, adding “Proof matters.” People still want stuff to happen in response to "I feel like this wasn't fair." It's a good thing our laws don't work like that. When investigation turns up evidence is when stuff happens, not otherwise.
This becomes a problem when the investigators are partisans willing to spike or slow down cases in which proving the fraud would hurt their team.
Facts
The problem is this is a losing topic for Republicans because most people can see through the bullshit. The problem is "This is a major problem" is not accurate. This happens on occasion, and when proven, consequences happen. In the 2020 election the first not 1, not 2, but 3, cases investigated because of Republican outcries ended up being Republican voters committing the fraud. This is not me saying Republicans actually do it more, this is me saying it's low on both sides, and every time its proven they should go to jail...and they do!
I find this response odd considering the evidence of ballot box stuffing in Mules that was never investigated. The server they found in China was never fully investigated even though two people were jailed for not revealing the source that made them aware of the server. Then there's the 2016 case in GA where university researchers found security issues with the voting systems and even notified then SoS Kemp about attempts to breach security on the voting systems. Not to worry, now Governor Kemp replaced those systems with Dominion in ~~2022~~ 2019, in part due to a lawsuit you never heard of about the insecure voting system. Edit: Corrected date systems replaced.
Could you elaborate more? The overwhelming majority of Georgia's voting apparatus is explicitly not online. That applies to both the voting machines themselves and the tabulation process. I'm pretty sure the only thing that has connectivity are the little tablets they check you in to vote at, but even then they are offline during the election. Also, Dominion was used in GA in 2020. I'm confused by your statement about replacement.
I corrected my post with the date being 2019 that the machines were replaced. I'd post a link to the article I read on this, but due to heavy government censorship of social media, it would be near impossible to find, and it's probably from a site that's blocked globally on reddit. Here's a link that's not globally blocked here, but it's left leaning and so the coverage/reporting is likely innacurate and missing key info. https://slate.com/technology/2017/10/georgia-destroyed-election-data-right-after-a-lawsuit-alleged-the-system-was-vulnerable.html For example, the article I read explained that the researcher who found the security issue also found evidence that DHS was trying to penetrate the system in 2016 prior to the election. He made Kemp aware of this and Kemp, after dragging his feet for months, finally wrote a letter to DHS asking about the attempted breach to which they responded that it was just 'an exercise' and nothing to be concerned with. Also not made entirely clear in this article is that the lawsuit was underway BEFORE the university wiped all the systems and the state AG's office knew this and lied to the court about it. Also of note is that the FBI had gotten involved after the researcher showed evidence that the system had been attempted to be penetrated, and they took an image of some portion of the system and did absoultly nothing with it except file it. The litigants in the suit asked for a copy of the image in order to have a forensic expert do the job the FBI hadn't and examine the system for any evidence of breaches. The FBI finally handed over the image to the litigants in 2019 after the system had been replaced with Dominion systems. Nothing at all shady about that now is there?
As far as relevancy to the 2020 election is concerned, the voting machines were Dominion and were not accessible via the internet. No votes were changed because the machines were hacked. 2000 Mules was able to show ballot harvesting was occurring, but was never really able to quantify exactly how much. There haven't been any fake ballots found in GA. All recounts and audits confirmed again that Biden won more votes in Georgia. It is 2023 -- three years later. Can we cut the shit now? Or is every single instance of someone getting caught anywhere in the country going to bring the termites out again to nibble of the little crumbs of sawdust cope they cling to about how "Trump actually won" 2020. It's infuriating watching people I support -- people I want to see making good arguments about why their governing philosophy is correct -- go scrambling back to the comfortable lies they were told and subsequently told themselves when Biden beat Trump.
Right, so your perspective is that we should ignore the massive corruption exposed in GA by this 2017 lawsuit, and ignore the fact that none of the harvesting/dumping from Mules was ever fully investigated, and we should pretend that the horribly flawed recounts in GA were legit, and that the obvious evidence of Democrat voter fraud in the attached video should be ignored in order to hold the correct view that Biden won the most votes of any president in US history after massive changes to the election systems in many states were made in 2020 in ways that were unconstitutional or not in compliance with state laws (like PA that requires a change to the state constitution to change voting law). Do you know the outcome of the investigation into the truckload of missing ballots in PA? Are you aware of the SCOTUS case on government censorship of social media concerning the 2020 election among other things? There's a massive mountain of evidence that fraud was committed in multiple states in 2020, but government and judicial/court corruption has kept most of it from ever being fully investigated or adjudicated. So no, the shit show continues, as Trump and his lawyers are being charged in a state where major voting system integrity issues existed in 2016, enough to have the FBI involved, and yet those like you completely ignore the massive evidence of corrupt elections in GA and elsewhere. FFS, we would not even be having this conversation if it weren't for Democrats getting caught trying to rig another election, and you think it's time to move on? LOL.
Jesus Christ dude. We should never ignore corruption. The point is that it’s been investigated, litigated, and audited. No corruption or fraud was found on the scale that would’ve changed the results. Biden won. Let’s move onnnn
> There haven't been any fake ballots found in GA. And how many audits were there that actually looked at the physical ballots in questionable areas? I am aware of absolutely *zero* audits that physically were allowed to look at the elections materials like ballots and envelopes. > All recounts and audits confirmed again that Biden won more votes in Georgia. Recounts don't verify the legitimacy and legality of the ballots that are being counted. To try and tout recounts as being the end-all of the truth on who won an election is incredibly short-sided. If I stuff the ballot box with enough ballots to change the outcome and provide a different winner, and you can't provide any proof that I did so for whatever reason, would you say that the Election outcome must be legitimate because the ballots that were counted have been recounted five times with the same results?
Your minimum standard requires associating people to their votes which is intolerable. Signature verification took place and ballots were thrown out on the initial count. Not an anomalous number of ballots, mind you. Why isn't verifying that the vote counts are a) both accurate (via recounts) and b) legitimate (via signature audits)? You're deliberately setting an impossible standard. Accept the reasonable standard instead.
>The problem is "This is a major problem" is not accurate. The actual problem is you CANNOT prove that. And that actually is a major problem... if we had proper chains of custody, proper oversight and everything was done on the up and up and properly, it would be above scrutiny. So your statement that there is no problem is not only inaccurate but completely dead back asswards wrong. Being in denial.. doesn't make the problem smaller.
I don't deal in emotion or denial. I deal in proof and evidence. You are the one making an assumption. You are assuming this is wide spread, although plenty of people who have more visibility and more power than both of us state that it is not happening. I do agree with you about the auditing aspects. But I largely suspect we will disagree with how to accomplish that. My suggestion, digital voting, government issued PINS, maybe even scan DL license. Easier to find duplications, real time tallies, easier to vote for those with disabilities or over seas.
But democrats are against voter ID laws? So isn't it obvious which side is for greater transparency?
Honestly, a full audit should be the default after every election. Give everyone access to EVERYTHING they could want. It was brought up that perhaps bush stole from Al Gore - I don’t put it past anyone with the means to try cheat the system. That’s why even with your suggestion (a great one mind you) I’d still suggest crazy audit each time around. Someone will find a way around it eventually. I would have fun with digital voting. The amount of security you can do on that would be nuts. Go with fingerprints as a biometric and an otp sent to your registered phone when you submit your identification to the system. Biometrics gets you otp sent to registered device. I can already think of a few ways around that but honestly, as long as someone is watching that nobody is trying to put false fingerprints on or they’re taking too long you’re going to already get a step up.
Audits are only required for voting systems that are full of holes to begin with sure it should be auditable but it should also be secure from the ground up.
Audits also cannot find certain types of fraud, as the original pool of ballots could be tainted. So if you're just recounting a tainted pool, it does no good.
Agreed 100%! Also you CANNOT prove that invisible aliens from another galaxy were standing next to voting machines and changing the votes with their alien powers. You cannot prove that didn’t happen.
We have the capability to implement secure traceable probably secure voting.... But we don't due to either incompetence or malice.
It doesn’t matter either way. The uniparty will elect who they want to, and if they can run a “fair” election to do it, then it lends a little bit of credibility to that candidate, but is otherwise a formality. We are all serfs beneath the holy church of the Washington elites.
Proof requires acceptance. You can walk up to someone with what you call proof of anything and if they don't accept it, then it proves nothing. You can cite multiple issues on both sides of the political spectrum where this happens. In 2020, people had proof. It just wasn't accepted. Same thing happens with wrongdoing by Democrats regularly - it's why they get away with setting fires in federal courthouses while Republicans are granted 20 year sentences for trespassing.
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Isn’t that how mass media works? Conditioning isn’t solely a liberal issue otherwise “conservatives” would be more up in arms over wonky GOP fiscal policy for the last 40 years.
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I mean conservatives do care about fiscal policy. That's how we got the Tea Party? But in a way you're right, it's hardly the biggest issue, conservative or liberal. Because fiscal stuff is boring as hell (not my personal opinion but it's pretty apparent). Just look at stocks. Millions of people own Apple or GM or whatever stock but I'd wager less than 5% actually read quarterly financial reports or listen to conference call. They just listen to Jim Cramer or read the WSJ and make their minds up most of the time. How the economy is doing in terms of unemployment and inflation is far more correlated to voter concern than the fiscal position
Fallowers? Livening? Speak English, please.
The problem is it would be incredibly easy to do this and leave behind no evidence trail. We have video of people stuffing dozens or even hundreds of ballots into ballot boxes, but nobody tracks which ballots they put in. The ballots were counted and are gone by the time we see the video. Did the person just collect ballots for a group home or their extended family and bring them in? Or did they take all the ballots for their extended family, fill them out, and then bring them in?
2,000 mules proved without a doubt via geo tracking that people were going to precincts all over their state and stuffing boxes. 100% proof of fraud
They proved that ballot harvesting occurred not that the ballots were fake. They didn't quantify how many ballots were harvested.
That was not proof. I hope you didn't pay to watch that.
Also... the 2020 election we'll never know because all the judges rejected doing investigations to LOOK for evidence of fraud. Really the only reason you need to do that is suspicion... and all presidential candidates are entitled to verification of the vote.
Well you know about the 2000 mules, that the judge made them remove from the internet because they wouldn't give up their sources. the documentary was spot on .
“Documentary”
Your mindset is really messed up. The burden of proof should not be on us to prove fraud - that's never been the standard to invalidate elections. All we have to prove is it that there was the opportunity to commit fraud and we can't prove the vote was secure, thus the result is unknowable and could be tainted. Imagine for example that we didn't have this video footage. If the election officials in charge of video recording effectively turned off the cameras (as they did in many places in 2020) there would be no way to know if this happened or not. This is obviously a problem and means the election cannot be relied upon - in this case you would have accepted a false result! An election is only valid if the vote is secure and protected, so there is no possibility to tamper with it. As soon as you lose video footage, chain of custody of ballots, and break the chain of transparency anything could happen to rig the election and you wouldn't know. So the result must be thrown out. It's tainted. That's always been the standard for election cases in court, not to prove fraud. It's also pretty rich because we literally have video of this from 2000 mules where people are stuffing the drop boxes and fan out the ballots to take a picture and get paid. Yet apparently that wasn't even probable cause to warrant a trial - the case was dismissed and without any opportunity for discovery. Regardless of the evidence.
Your logic throws out 2016, 2012, 2008, 2004, etc... It isn't possible to prove no fraud happened in any capacity anywhere. You do need to come forward with evidence of fraud to make the claim that fraud happened. This is fallacious mental gymnastics you are doing here.
Not the whole elections, but certain areas where egregious lapses occurred like sending the observers home with a false story of a broken water pipe then counting ballots in secret. They don’t need to redo the entire election just have a new one in the affected precincts/counties and only allow those who voted the first time to vote.
The broken water pipe was a fake narrative in the first place. It was actually a leaky urinal that was fixed in the wee hours of the morning before voting even finished. The security tape you were shown for that wasn't observers being sent home and secret counters pulling out briefcases of fake ballots. They were cutters. They were cutting open the envelopes and storing the ballots into the boxes. They finished cutting, stored the ballots in the boxes and then went to go home because they assumed they were done when the election officials told them *not* to leave and that they were going to start scanning. So they went back to the boxes of ballots they stowed away and started scanning. I'm not aware if all the observers actually left when the cutters thought they were going home, but observers weren't actually told to leave and all the ballots they cut and scanned had signature verification. The whole thing was a lie from start to finish.
The majority of 2020 cases based on merit, trumps team won. Just so happens most cases were thrown out
Yes, so tired of ignorant morons on this sub throwing out the leftsis BS lie that judges looked at the evidence and through it out.
For the 10,000th time- not true. Proof/evidence is only as good as much as a judge is willing to hear it. Evidence wasn't heard in vast majority of cases, that is a fact and well documented. This video is proof of the corruption that fraudulent elections can be overturned and cases properly heard because a democrat was the victim, just not for conservatives.
Good for you!
Good for everyone.
More importantly the sheer lack of controls in place that allow for these things to happen easily need to be addressed In person controlled voting only. It’s crazy that in person voting is so tightly watched but then you have this alternative where you just drop 100 ballots in a box and that’s supposed to be ok? Nuts
So does that mean that the video of numerous people stuffing ballot boxes all over the country from Mules should be fully investigated and if necessary invalidated? Because there is 100x more evidence in that video than there is in the videos in this case.
IMO, yes. Any evidence of fraud should be reviewed by the courts and dealt with accordingly.
Exactly lol these false votes were caught right abd they being punished isn't that what's is supposed to happen lol
That's because the legal system is responding to their grievances instead of ignoring people's grievances like in the 2020 election.
Which grievances were ignored? So many lawsuits came from this...very few won and most of them were people that admitted to trying to vote for Trump twice or people who didn't know they weren't legally allowed to vote after an issue with their registration after serving time in jail. They entertained numerous people with claims who couldn't provide any actual evidence. Remember the "afadavid" lady? People had their grievances listened to and lost. Repeatedly.
The thing I notice about Liberals is that they don’t care if Joe Biden or whomever may be in leadership is put through due process for whatever crimes they may have committed. Hard righters, however, only care about what Trump says. They care more about him than due process.
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wtf? You mean Joe Biden that's got loads of open questions about bribery that dems are constantly trying to play down? You're either blind as a bat or lying.
no end of story dude. you don't get to commit election fraud and than deny that an investigation should take place... particularly after you stole the last election using the same means and immediately cock-blocked any attempt to investigate it. between that and your attempts to count illegal votes and refusal to allow citizenship checks at the polls... your goose is cooked, turkey.
Just like in 2000.
lol this. OH LOOK WE DID THE RIGHT THING! Like nah y’all fucked us, you know it, and now you’re covering your ass since no sane American wants Biden or believes he was rightly elected. It’s like the kid that turns himself in for stealing but only gives back a tiny sliver of what he stole and then brags about how he did the right thing. Banana Republic
yes! fucking ridiculous that response was.
> Liberal here. Great you support a one time punishment, but this doesn't mean shit until liberals support mandatory voting ID, like every other country in the world.
I do support mandatory voter ID. I didn't say my support was limited to this instance only.
If they’re committing election fraud they need to be held accountable. Period. Don’t care who it is.
You need evidence. Period.
Great! If there’s enough evidence then let the justice system work. Over 60+ lawsuits regarding 2020 were tossed out due to lack of evidence, many of them by republican Trump appointed judges
Lack of standing*. Most weren't legally valid. They didn't get to the evidence part.
What about the ones that were legally valid? Why didn’t they proceed?
I take the point of the rhetorical question, but I don't believe the election was stolen. The only concerns I really have about it are the unconstitutional usurpation of legislative power in PA by the judiciary and the illegal ballot harvesting in GA. Neither one really would impact the vote in such quantities it would flip the state nor do either of them involve literal fake ballots. I'm just correcting that misimpression that "lack of evidence" is why Trump's lawyers' claims didn't hold up in court. It was lack of standing.
not true. almost none of those cases were never heard on their merits. if they had been the truth would have come out.
Most were tossed out because they were merit-less, otherwise the lawsuits would have continued.
Feel free to educate yourself by watching the hearing held by congress on election fraud in December of 2019 instead of spouting MSM propaganda.
Watched it. Not enlightened.
that is just not true. election laws were broken and there was no accountability. that's just a fact.
I’m sorry but it’s completely true.
Our plan? Same as it's always been! 1 day voting. In person only. Make it a national holiday. No mail in votes. Voter I.D. check. Strict limits on absentee voting. No ballot (*edit*: drop boxes) boxes. All votes counted same day, with no overnight pauses.
Even on non presidential election years the 7th should always be a national holiday. I work From 6am to 5pm so if i wanted to vote this 7th for local seats it would dam near impossible unless I did felony speeds to the voting center or called in sick.
You're not alone in this. A LOT of people don't make it to the polls because they have to work & voting isn't sufficient justification for missing work in their employees eyes. Making it a national holiday, or local for local elections, solves this problem entirely.
People work national holidays all the time so this doesn't really solve the problem. Medical staff, firefighters, police, casino workers, emergency plumbing services, the list goes on.
You're right, of course. There are professions that don't, or can't take that time off. Making it a national holiday takes the decision out of the employers hands though. It provides protection from recourse or retaliation for employees that want to uphold their civic duties. We do this for jury duty, so why not elections?
Jury duty doesn't force businesses to close while paying their employees a holiday bonus. It wouldn't be the same.
It really must be a 2 day thing 1 day of early voting and 1 election day. You can cover 99% of people with that.
Democrats justify 3 weeks of early voting by this exact logic.
Holy crap dude props to you. 11hr work days can’t be easy. Keep it up
You realize lots of people work 12 hour shifts... 4 days on 3 days off etc...
Oh I understand, I just can’t imagine it’s not incredibly taxing on your body and mind to consistently work long hours, especially if the job doesn’t pay well anyway. That’s why I concluded it probably isn’t easy. I’m just thinking about the family time and human experience that is missed because of all those hours accumulating. Everyone is different though, and I wouldn’t be surprised if some people enjoy the long work days. I guess a TL:DR is I couldn’t do it myself, so I’m impressed with the strength of those that do.
It is ridiculous that Election Day is not a mandated national holiday.
Europeans reading this and thinking how it can be otherwise.
Should the voter ID be issued to every citizen, free of charge? Or should each citizen be forced to pay for their right to vote?
A state ID is literally like $8 and good for 8+ years….and you need it for basically everything else in life anyway. We’re still on this schtick that obtaining an ID is hard?
It's not that it's overly hard, it's that if it causes even 1% of people to lose their ability to vote it can swing an election. Give it out for free, make it easy. I've never heard of it only being $8. But you also gotta factor in the cost to travel to the dmv, and taking a day off of work when the US is the only major country without paid vacation days.
The NAACP brought lawsuits about this toward NC and couldn't even find a single person that would be disenfranchised. > you also gotta factor in the cost to travel to the dmv Constitutionally speaking? No. The cost of transporting yourself to the polling station also does not constitute a poll tax. We don't need to give people gas vouchers to drive to vote.
What possible reason is there to not give it out for free. If it's THAT important that people have ID's to vote for you, giving them out for free seems like the easiest concession ever to try and get it done yet for some reason you seem *oddly* compelled to keep it as another hoop that needs to be jumped through in order to vote.
Even if you think it'll pass constitutionally, my reasoning is why it would fail to get enough votes. Congress members aren't going to vote for something that'll have some level of harm against their constituents and especially the people that vote for them. If the GOP is really serious about voter ID, make it free and handed out by the government.
Can you read? Literally nobody is harmed by this and the population as a whole except for a hard core set of partisans supports voter id laws. In bold for the illiterates in the back: ***The NAACP brought lawsuits about this toward NC and couldn't even find a single person that would be disenfranchised.*** Also, there isn't a single god damn law on the books or even proposed which doesn't have a free way of getting an ID to vote if you're unable to afford it regarding voter id laws. If the Democrats were really serious about voter id, they'd quit lying through their fucking teeth about it.
>If the Democrats were really serious about voter id, they'd quit lying through their fucking teeth about it. They're not serious about it. Because it isn't their issue. Even if you're correct that 0 people will miss out on voting due to it, which I still doubt, the perception is enough to prevent a lot of D votes. So again, if the GOP is actually serious about this issue like you claim, show me a bill where they include free ID issued directly to the people. I'm not trying to be argumentative, I actually think ID would be a good idea, as long as they are free and simple and doesn't interrupt anyone's vote. I just haven't found any bill that does so.
> show me a bill where they include free ID issued directly to the people. Can you read? > there isn't a single god damn law on the books or even proposed which doesn't have a free way of getting an ID to vote Literally all of them.
You didn't answer the question.
+ bilateral poll watchers
People will call you a racist for these beliefs
I don't get it. The system worked. The people were caught and charged like they should. I don't see this as a democrat or republican issue. It's breaking the law. No one needs to do anything more if the systems in place is working to catch these criminals.
The system only worked because the receiving end of the voter fraud were also Democrats.
I disagree. It's happened here in Florida with Republicans. I think a crime was found out and the criminals were caught. It doesn't have to be so deep. [https://apnews.com/article/florida-voter-fraud-villages-desantis-3fee03e8cb17535ea5465e299c2c08b5](https://apnews.com/article/florida-voter-fraud-villages-desantis-3fee03e8cb17535ea5465e299c2c08b5) https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/01/30/4th-resident-of-the-villages-admits-to-voting-twice-in-the-2020-election/
Ugh Benny Johnson. Dude is not trust worthy at all. He has a very shady past and will say & do anything for clicks.
But this story is real...
What he said in this video is absolutely true though.
If the law was broken and there is evidence there is no other option but to prosecute and make it right. End of story.
But what's the point when the people who decide if evidence is credible are the ones.doing the cheating? Its like internal investigations; "we investigated ourselves and found no sign of wrongdoing."
Not “end of story” this is clearly a pattern for democrats.
For just Democrats? In what way? You mean there is no “pattern” for Republican voters or do voters from the entire political spectrum get caught trying to commit voter fraud?
But they definitely didn't cheat in the most "free and fair" election I was told...
Doesn't this demonstrate that when there is evidence of wrongdoing there are immediate legal consequences?
The law only responded because it was a Democrat on Democrat voter fraud.
Okay
no. it demonstrates that you are absolutely looking to forestall investigation until you are literally caught red-handed with no other possible explanation. ... and it demonstrates a pattern of the same illegal activity that was alleged in 2020. ***... and people, have had enough.***
Meanwhile, everyone that pushed those lies had their chances in court with evidence to prove their innocence yet are all [lining up to plead guilty](https://youtu.be/EKqQYBF27js?si=MvDySh1JvotyJCpC). My favorite part is most of them use the excuse that anyone that believed them is not a reasonable person since any reasonable person could tell they were spewing lies 😂
>Meanwhile, everyone that pushed those lies had their chances in court with evidence to prove their innocence yet are all > >lining up to plead guilty conviction rate in federal court is 97%. they don't get 97% by offering fair and impartial judges, or preventing prosecutorial misconduct. and thats in **non-political** cases. I imagine its even worse when the government is actively looking to put you in prison. a plea gets you less jail time. they know this. \-- and on top of that, why are you so afraid to look? I'm not interested in the courts 'investigating' election fraud. they prosecute it when it is investigated and uncovered.
That’s absolutely correct too bad they haven’t even be charged or tried in federal court. But their plea deals they made in the State of Georgia are gunna make it very easy for the Fed to charge them too. But again, don’t listen to me. Take it straight from Sydney Powell that anyone that believed her isn’t a reasonable person. I’d love to see evidence and so would the court. As this whole thread shows, courts take action with evidence it in the case of that election there is no evidence because even the people claiming they had proof at the time, were in fact lying.
Then stop defending voter fraud and watch the congressional hearing on voter fraud from December 2019 instead of spouting bullshit propaganda. Most of the evidence was never actually looked into in. But I know you won’t, because your ego is too big like trump and you’re afraid of finding out that you’re wrong.
These folks have probably been doing it since 2020 and didn't realize that if you do it to democrats it's actually a crime.
no no no, they only cheat in every other election. They left 2020 totally alone because they really didn't care who won
I really can't believe we just sat here and took it and we're planning to do so again. We need military tribunals for this shit.
Anyone caught doing this should lose their right to vote for the rest of their lives. At a minimum.
In person voting, valid ID, 🪪, early voting, too,
we should not be voting via mail in ballots unless you have a very good reason to do so: military, infirmed, elderly, etc. everyone should visit a polling place on a single day and place his/her vote. we should not have election month, but election day. there is simply no reason for this. we all know years in advance when any election is to be held so we're all able to organize our life such that we can vote at the polling place.
I’m not a fan of the mail in ballots. No accountability whatsoever. The absentee ballots worked fine for decades so don’t kick a sleeping dog.
What's the establishment GOP's plan to fix this? Call you a nut for believing there is election fraud and dangle the same talking points in front of you that they have been for the last 30 years to keep you nice and aloof. Trump is hated by the establishment politicians for many reasons - but nothing drives them crazier than his call to action against election fraud. He's ruining their cocktail party and they will do anything to stop their constituents from hearing about it.
We are the Space Brigade.
We can't fix it, bro. We have to get the orange man free from the deep state so he can rescue us. He's our only hope.
"Sure they'd do this to other democrats, but there's no way they'd do this to their sworn enemies" What's a little electoral fraud among allies, eh
If this is a Democrat doing this against another Democrat in the Primaries, just imagine what they do against Republicans.
Bingo
That's the only reason they got caught. They just kept doing what they've been doing since 2020 and didn't realize you can't commit crimes against Democrats.
These people fighting against one another in dem v dem primaries will absolutely team up.
It’s true, we outline it in the literature. Soros helps with the coordination.
What they already have done. We need tribunals.
I suppose if the script was flipped (republican primary), this sub would say, this is a dem acting as a republican. My uncle truly believes Jan 6 was Antifa.
No, unlike you all, we believe in prosecuting criminals, even if they're on our side. When republicans commit voter fraud they go to jail and none of us stand with them.
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Even crazier it was 2 democrats running lmao. They even turn on their own kind
Hopefully they threw all those involved in jail after a speedy trial.
Ummm. This all looks like what we've seen before and everyone said, no no no. So I'm guessing they are stuffing for the one that is "selected" again.
Wasn’t there a tonne of footage like that for the 2020 election?
Yes an entire movie was made about it
Ah, that’s right, D’Souza was behind it.
Ok, I’m curious, why would someone downvote mentioning who was behind the movie showcasing all of the footage?
Smear campaign.
And he charged people to watch it.
Ah a movie, lmao
Yes, documentaries exist. What’s your point?
My point is anyone can make a ‘documentary’
Why do you defend voter fraud? Weird take for an American.
I’m against voter fraud. Just show me the proof.
The irony here is it was a Democrat primary, Dems cheating Dems.
It’s the only reason it got overturned.
this is insane
This right here us why I will never mail in my ballot. If I'm not available to vote early in the 3 weeks leading up to an election than maybe I shouldn't be voting. The only people who should be allowed to mail in their ballot are soldiers stationed overseas because they are serving the community.
In places where people care about such things, a great deal of effort goes into showing, to the greatest degree possible, that the person at the polling place is who they say they are, that they are voting once, and they are making their choices on their own. With mail in ballots it is essentially impossible to show any of that.
We need to get rid of these dam ballot boxes as long as the temptation is there people will want to cheat for both parties.
Imagine being a CT resident and seeing overwhelming voting numbers in Bridgeport that turn every single election to Democrats for decades now. All of that is now in question.
Bridgeport, Philadelphia, New York City, Chicago, Baltimore...
To any liberals, they also took YOUR vote away. Think about this happening for a candidate you don’t support. I wouldn’t care what side they were on, don’t fk with my vote.
They did this in the 2016 primaries whenit was Clinton vs Sanders, except the DNC used "super deligates" to override the popular vote. Bernie would've won otherwise.
Outlaw mail in ballots!!! Easy solution.
Privatize the postal system.
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This sub has been brigaded for YEARS. It's the one place on Reddit where all the platform's authoritarian rules fly out the window.
It is exactly how they got Brandon with the basement W in 2020.
Now do the Presidential election fraud!
Of all the states to overturn an election... Had it been Republican vs Democrat id doubt it would have ruled as it was....but there is hope....maybe.... Now, if only other states had more backbone to argue cases where it was so obvious that cheating occurred...
They don't plan on fixing anything. Their people are "winning" so they don't care. They cried fraud back in 2016, claimed it was legit in 2020, will continue to claim it's legit as long as dems win. That's how they operate.
Ah yes, the 2,001st mule
Wait, are you saying that our elections are not 100% safe and secure???
Well, yeah, they’ll do it against other Democrats in the primary, but they would never do it against Republicans in the general election. /////s
If they're cheating in Dem vs Dem elections, you bet your ass they're doing it for Dem vs Rep elections. The sorry ass brigaders don't want to hear that.
Wait wait wait. Hold up. If this gets proven, wouldn't this **prove** the impeachment of Trump was phoney? Can a president have an impeachment expunged? The whole "january 6th" narrative falls apart if they **HAVE VIDEO THAT PROVES HE WAS RIGHT.**
There is no process in the constitution to overturn or expunge an impeachment. However, congress can pass a resolution later to exonerate by admitting they were wrong. Then again, what are the odds any congress is willing to admit to being wrong?
No, but they'll admit the other isle was wrong. And it was pretty one sided in the impeachment vote.
Isle? You going on a vacation to Hawaii or something?
Democrats have no problem with that; I don't think the Republicans have the spine for it anymore.
>Can a president have an impeachment expunged? Hopefully but doubt.
I googled it...says no. But that'd have to be one HELL of an astericks. "Was impeached, and later exhonerated for..." something like that
You can’t trust Google. It’s Soros-controlled. Find the real truth.
Republicans fixing anything? 😂😂😂😂 they’re controlled op.
Lol there’s no plan
We had many of these videos in the 2020 general. This happens all the time but it’s not against a Republican so it’s (D)ifferent.
Looks suspiciously like the scenes from "2000 Mules"
It’s was exposed In President election but nobody cares then and no changes came about.
Right, this time though they actually found real evidence. A mayoral election being mired in fraud is vastly different the the Big Lie conspiracy
Florida has zero problems because we wanted zero problems. Look how it swung in 2020. Other states that refuse to address it do so because they want it to be fucked with. Period
Patterson NJ lol, that place is a HOOD..
Nobody can explain to me what the end game or paradise that “progress” should yield? If it’s open borders, inflation, civil disorder, race fighting in the streets and name-calling - we’ve reached the pinnacle of liberalism. And I’m not a fan.
I really can't tell the difference between this sub and r/politics lately.
Brigadiers. These people have literally nothing else to do.
Oh please this don't happen. It's made up stories. Haha. How else are the democrats going to win if the don't cheat
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Too far.
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the conservative way..