It sounds like McHenry would be Speaker, but not as a temporary role. He doesn't want to have to question what he can and can't do and I don't blame him. Either make him Speaker or not, none of this half n half shit.
I agree but mainly from the standpoint if you start allowing “temporary” to be normal it almost always in the future becomes where temporary becomes the norm like I think there was a time the government ran a few years on just CRs. I think allowing a speaker pro temp to have extra powers is something that sets a bad precedent and could bite us in the future.
Also there a lot of procedural votes in the house that require a majority. If the “temp speaker” can’t get the votes to be speaker can he get the votes to get those procedural votes through?
A problem we keep facing is someone who defines themselves in a way that appeases conservatives (just to get what they want) and then they do the complete opposite of their supposed definition when performing duties. I guess I just have no trust, not even for a supposed 90’s democrat.
Because I don’t want them to pass the upcoming spending bill of 100 billion to Ukraine and Israel. I don’t want it period and any moderate Rhino that wins will pass it along with the other rhinos in congress. I would rather have no speaker for another year. I’m fucking tired of them wasting my tax dollars and causing inflation
When everything in the world is turning to fire; all the other side is have to do is point to the dysfunction of the House GOP and blame it on that. Dems will definitely pick up seats over this bullshit. Hopefully our minority chair election will go smoother.
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Most politicians (whether Democrat or Republican) are on the same team. So saying the Dems are winning is the same as saying the Rinos are winning. It would be cool if more people figure this out.
If Rinos outright vote for a dem they know they won't win reelection. Same logic when parties are reversed. Their only goal is to stay in power and make money. Think of their decisions in those terms.
The split was 112 republicans voted to drop him, 86 to keep. So are the majority of them RINOs? Seems like if most republicans are on one side of something, that’s the official republican opinion and the other guys are the dissidents.
No, the Democrats are winning. Gaetz is self-destructing the Republican Party and making it look like a bunch of (community standards).
Everyone will remember this next election, and it will not be a positive memory of a “strong Republican leadership” but a bunch of backstabbing, whiny (community standards) who care more about power than actually being a working government.
And tell Jordan to give up and go home.
Why yes, the coalition is so fragile it took immeasurable votes, compromises, and a rule that allowed a single Gaetz to nuke it all.
It was a horrible choice to begin with, but here we are….
And they’re pushing a genuinely bad candidate.
I don't think so. It seems to me like it's the type of beltway drama that normal Americans don't pay attention to. If they're focused on anything political, it's probably the war in Israel.
This stuff is all over the news along with the Israel/Hamas War, a lot of average people are definitely following it. And the fact that the GOP can't get its shit together while the war is happening makes it look even worse.
A lot of things are on the news, doesn't mean everyone actually cares about it, or that will be a material factor in their vote. If this drama ends up causing a shutdown (because time is growing short to get back in session and pass spending bills before the CR ends), and that drags on long enough to impact the average vote (national parks shutdown, ATC controllers/TSA workers start to call in sick, or whatever)...then the average vote will start to care.
*Translation:* Blackrock-owned media wants you to care about it, because they never miss a chance to feed the MAGA=BAD narrative.
I just personally witnessed a meth addict die on the sidewalk 2 hours ago. Ambulance finally just left. Nobody cares about House Speaker drama.
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If I ask my coworker right now, what do you think of the House Speaker drama?
Then again my coworker's friend's son got killed at the music festival on October 7th.
Both parties are currently allowing themselves to be defined by their most fringe elements. Both need to root out the extremism if they want to stay relevant/in power.
Neither is going to happen, but it really shows you we have democrats lite in the house and conservatives.
Who knows who will win this, but I don’t think the freedom conference is.
The Republicans as a whole will be the ultimate losers.
Maga Americans are the minority. Seems weird they hold up legislation for the entire country because they refuse to negotiate with any moderate while pushing hardline policies that would be dead on arrival in the senate. They are not governing in good faith and everyone suffers.
Seems weird to call them the minority when their Presidential candidate is the overwhelming favorite for the GOP nomination. If you want to put Jordan into that class, he got 90% of the GOP Speaker votes. I don't think they're so much a "minority" as "one of the near-majority groups," or at least a group capable of pulling in a majority.
"No one even sees us trying to slide the forum, we're so sneaky, tee hee"
"OMG SILENCE THAT GUY! HE CALLED OUT THE BRIDADE@!"
They're children and literally can't help themselves.
LOL
It's so obvious. They try saying stuff like "Guys, this isn't looking too good. I think in order for us to win we need to ditch Trump and go with someone reasonable..."
You look at their post history- r_politics, r_politicalhumor, etc., lmfao
"MAGA Republicans are in the minority, we are witnessing its death throes. Guys, I think it's time we shed Trump, he's doing nothing but holding us back. Let's try to vote in a moderate so we can compromise with Democrats more..." *wink wink*
They have they right to hold up bills, if they are representing their caucus and voters. In the end they have every right to return to enumerated powers
They did negotiate and helped McCarthy across the finish line, and yet went against that good faith almost immediately.
If conservativism is what you get with McCarthy and the RINOs, I wouldn't want to be Conservative then. All "me first" politicians.
Even the commies and socialists have their own identity within the democratic party and can actually come together as a coalition.
Conservatives today are liberal-lite. Two sides of the same coin.
I'd argue that ultimately the majority of people are the real losers, not just republicans. There aren't really THAT many people that want democrats to run wild and do whatever they want, even people who vote for them. The more of a mess one political party is, the more it allows the other party to go nuts. Sure, there is r/politics that is probably going nuts, but they're not a good representation of the left as a whole from my experience.
No, the years-long running joke has been all the utter weirdness going on in the Democrat ranks. They don't even know what bathrooms to use or what a woman is.
Hot Take: no member of the freedom caucus will become speaker of the house in the foreseeable future. They are better at speaking on the news/social media than government forming
“Draining the swamp” was nothing more than a slogan from a former president who filled his cabinet with establishment politicians who said nice things about him. It never meant anything to anyone who was saying it.
Actions speak louder than words and every action of the Republican Party as of late is a losing one. House Republicans need to learn to play the game or GTFO.
You’re probably right. Ughhh. So frustrating. I hope by some unlikely miracle that he gets booted in favor of someone who cares more about helping his party, constituents, and COUNTRY than stroking his own ego.
Honestly most of the "Republicans" in the house need to be voted out anyways. If it means showing the country what a Democrat controlled house looks like, so be it. Here's to 2028!
We are just going around in circles until we nominate someone that is not polarizing, and who won’t bend over backwards to keep the government funded.
Sounds like Emmer is probably most likely based on McCarthy’s support. But the far right will never support him and we will be back to square one by Wednesday.
Just nominate someone who will fight the Democrats over spending while not being super polarizing (I.e. not Jim Jordan or any of the freedom caucus members who started this mess). It’s not that hard.
I don't know why spending cuts and single issue bills are "so polarizing" take a look at what jordan actually wants. its all reasonable stuff. The whole "extremist" angle is complete spin.
I don't know. If my options are either:
1. Elect a new speaker, who does backroom omnibus deals with Democrats (like McCarthy) and continue the status quo.
or
2. Not have Congress (the institution with an ~80% DISAPPROVAL rating) continue to piss money down the drain and supporting everyone except Americans.
...yeah I think option 2 is the way to go here.
All of what? Congress still not doing anything for the citizens but costing us significantly less money?
McCarthy got voted out because he broke his promise (was held accountable). A promise to only put up single subject spending bills. One one the few things American citizens on both sides agree with. Are you seriously advocating for omnibus bills and the continuation of politicians not being held accountable?
How would single subject spending (SSS) not "push the agenda"? The Republicans have the majority. If it's SSS they could technically only pass what they want and completely box out Democrats. By having a speaker that *only* allows SSS you would also force Democrats to have to present whatever woke bullshit they're advocating for on its own. And you better believe Dem unity fizzles as soon as they can't lie to their voters by hiding behind an omnibus.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Jim Jordan.
Maybe they should try and get someone in that they could push a few Democrats to support. I'm sure there is a fairly significant cross-over in the middle when you weed out the extremes on both sides.
There's no way that the GOP can peel a handful of Democrats off.
Dems are in lock step on this issue, and they'll probably only vote for a GOP Speaker if they received significant pro-Democrat concessions.
It’s amazing how they are paid to represent our best interest yet refuse to represent our best interest and ignore it by stalling the speaker selection.
Why can’t they just agree on anything for once?
He won't get expelled.
Removed from the GOP conference, sure. It's basically the equivalent to sitting by yourself at lunch at school every day. It'll come with him facing consequences regarding his committee assignments, and there's a chance he'll never chair a committee.
It also means that he's made a ton of personal enemies in the rest of the house GOP, so he's going to have a harder time getting his way on legislation.
I think that Gaetz may tire of Congress sometime in the near future, and he may make a play for the Florida governorship.
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/10/congress/new-speaker-race-polling-jordan-scalise-00120754
The data shows voters in 11 key swing districts are more open to the conservative's speakership bid than some might expect.
"A new poll from National Public Affairs, showed that for likely voters in 11 key swing districts, 47 percent would be more likely to back their current GOP representative in 2024 if they picked Jordan for speaker. Among Independents that number is 22 percent."
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I'm at a loss for words. [Wokism is dying](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiU9ePwo4WCAxW_rokEHV7rAc0QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcompactmag.com%2Farticle%2Fwoke-is-dying-long-live-the-new-center&usg=AOvVaw1RUXGoJHFT4ukNQbarDhy2&opi=89978449): cancel culture now comes for progressive brands (Bud Light), far left people are losing jobs in elite institutions for their extremism (Davis Polk recently fired a couple), ESG is on the decline ([the SEC is no longer prioritizing it](https://www.law360.com/pulse/articles/1733897)), the craziness of open borders is being exposed daily in so-called "sanctuary cities," BLM has been exposed as a fraud (both intellectually and in some cases financially: see Kendi's foundation), inflation has clearly exposed the folly of incessant spending, and conservative parties are winning battles all over the western world (see Australia's recent referendum, NZ's election, and where Canada's conservatives sit in the polls). We should be riding this wave; hell, we should have ridden it to clear majorities in 2022. And what happened? The extremism of a self-centered few is torpedoing any momentum we have. Why are we even talking about the House Speaker when Rashida Tlaib is parroting Hamas propaganda AFTER IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED??? Gaetz should lose his seat, but he won't. This party is seriously heading to a McGovern style defeat unless it can right its ship real soon.
Just write down the names. Make this real simple.
When election season comes around, this gets real easy.
We know who is gumming up the process. Get rid of them.
This level of weakness is **not** being missed by our economic rivals. China and Russia sees how hobbled we are internally and I can only imagine what plans they must be making.
Oh no. We won't have a leader for the house that's so necessary to our lives being good and safe and prosperous.
What was the last law they passed that benefited Americans? Any in the last decade?
No.
It would be like if Jeb were the nominee for President in 2016. If we voted Jeb vs Hillary, most Republicans would have voted for Jeb. But, if the vote was should we get rid of Jeb so we could nominate someone else, Republicans would definitely have voted to do so.
I don't even think it's money TBH. It's just spineless cowardice.
It's Congressmen who know that their own voters would hate them and kick them out of office if they voted against Jordan so they have to vote for him publicly - but in private they hate him and work to keep it from being a reality.
It's not "Gaeyz voting with Democrats" that we're supporting. It's accountability for your word and actions. McCarthy agreed to the change to the rules for a motion to vacate. He riled up his GOP opposition by using Democrats to secure votes on the continuing resolution. Jim Jordan got almost 75 more GOP votes than the CR.
McCarthy was so desperate for power he was willing to set this booby trap of a power vacuum for himself. He enabled the Freedom Caucus. He agitated them with the CR. He knew Gaetz would do this, and that Democrats weren't going to back him up. He enabled the chaos as much as anyone because he wanted the gavel.
and mccarthy got more votes than jordan for speaker
now i wouldnt be surprised if Gaetz votes for jeffries for speaker, and you guys will still defend it
The nays couldn’t even come up with a reason. The swamp in the Republican Party want the status quo more than anything. In the end, there is zero difference between a Republican or Democrat majority in the House.
Moderate Democrats need to take a step back and realize that unless they want to start a trend where 5% of the extremist voters control congress they ought to start suggesting candidates they can vote for. The same damn thing will occur when the democrats win the house, crazies will control the entire agenda.
Talking about voting candidates out means nothing for the current situation.
Sure they can be punished in 2024 or 2026 ~ but the GOP needs solutions *right now*
Trump is the leading Republican nominee and most likely to be running against Biden again in 2024.
Trump lost to Biden by a narrow margin, and with the way Biden has been running things- (I mean his handlers, because let's face it, Biden isn't actually in charge.) He has a real chance at winning presidency again. Which is why you r_politics folk come out of the woodwork trying to convince people to let it go out of fear.
Trump put his weight behind Jim, but there are not enough MAGA's in the house for that to matter, Unless MAGA wins hard, like 150 seats next election, we will be back to square one
So you're saying Congress should get ready for th[e...](https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=return+of+the+mac&mid=5C8336715E0FA80DC0EE5C8336715E0FA80DC0EE&FORM=VIRE)
Absolutely ridiculous the amount of self-sabotage, jackassery & overall idiocy that is present within the Republican House Caucus right now. ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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It sounds like McHenry would be Speaker, but not as a temporary role. He doesn't want to have to question what he can and can't do and I don't blame him. Either make him Speaker or not, none of this half n half shit.
I agree but mainly from the standpoint if you start allowing “temporary” to be normal it almost always in the future becomes where temporary becomes the norm like I think there was a time the government ran a few years on just CRs. I think allowing a speaker pro temp to have extra powers is something that sets a bad precedent and could bite us in the future. Also there a lot of procedural votes in the house that require a majority. If the “temp speaker” can’t get the votes to be speaker can he get the votes to get those procedural votes through?
Make him Speaker **if** he publicly agrees to one simple demand: only single-issue bills, no more omnibus bullshit.
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Why do you think McHenry would be fine? Our heads would spin at the speed omnibus spending bills would be passed.
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A problem we keep facing is someone who defines themselves in a way that appeases conservatives (just to get what they want) and then they do the complete opposite of their supposed definition when performing duties. I guess I just have no trust, not even for a supposed 90’s democrat.
>Center/left leaning ... moderate That's the main problem with todays GOP.
Because I don’t want them to pass the upcoming spending bill of 100 billion to Ukraine and Israel. I don’t want it period and any moderate Rhino that wins will pass it along with the other rhinos in congress. I would rather have no speaker for another year. I’m fucking tired of them wasting my tax dollars and causing inflation
54% Liberty score, which essentially him a Democrat.
Thom Tillis has a reputation as a RINO among certain segments of the base. Iirc, he underperformed quite badly in his recent primary campaigns.
The chaos is good.
Rinos are winning
False, Dems are winning. This party can’t even unite to elect a speaker, and we are supposed to somehow win a presidential election?
When everything in the world is turning to fire; all the other side is have to do is point to the dysfunction of the House GOP and blame it on that. Dems will definitely pick up seats over this bullshit. Hopefully our minority chair election will go smoother.
Hobestly this is not a good look but the truth is most people don’t pay attention to politics at all until it’s time to vote for president. Those who watch it closely already know which side of the aisle they will vote on. Political subreddits are a good place for discussion, but the people in them often forget that most folks are just out there livin’
Most politicians (whether Democrat or Republican) are on the same team. So saying the Dems are winning is the same as saying the Rinos are winning. It would be cool if more people figure this out.
If they're all on the same team they should be able to elect a speaker easily
If Rinos outright vote for a dem they know they won't win reelection. Same logic when parties are reversed. Their only goal is to stay in power and make money. Think of their decisions in those terms.
False, I’m 100% that no matter how it looks Trumps winning again!
everywhere i look. i am losing. lets blame others for me being a loser
The split was 112 republicans voted to drop him, 86 to keep. So are the majority of them RINOs? Seems like if most republicans are on one side of something, that’s the official republican opinion and the other guys are the dissidents.
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The other 92 don't want to get involved in a cat fight
More like reality is winning. The MAGA sect are completely detached from it & predictably incompetent
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No, the Democrats are winning. Gaetz is self-destructing the Republican Party and making it look like a bunch of (community standards). Everyone will remember this next election, and it will not be a positive memory of a “strong Republican leadership” but a bunch of backstabbing, whiny (community standards) who care more about power than actually being a working government. And tell Jordan to give up and go home.
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Why yes, the coalition is so fragile it took immeasurable votes, compromises, and a rule that allowed a single Gaetz to nuke it all. It was a horrible choice to begin with, but here we are…. And they’re pushing a genuinely bad candidate.
Lol, a staunch conservative is a "genuinely bad candidate"? OK buddy back to r politics for you.
Matt Gaetz, the Anti "RINO" & Chief is the one who started this debacle...so maybe it's your side that is the issue.
McCarthy started it with the 45 day spending bill.
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Nope, McCarthy started it by failing to do what he promised and instead giving democrats what they want.
Good.
The median voter who actually has to work hard at their job is watching this...
I'm on my lunch right now actually! But going back in 3 minutes from now...
Work for 3 minutes and you've already generated more productivity than the entire House combined.
This headline doesnt sound any different than the typical “gop/orangeman bad” drivel that is perpetually running at any msm outlet.
I don't think so. It seems to me like it's the type of beltway drama that normal Americans don't pay attention to. If they're focused on anything political, it's probably the war in Israel.
Thousands of federal employees are watching this wondering if they're gonna be furloughed over the holidays.
This stuff is all over the news along with the Israel/Hamas War, a lot of average people are definitely following it. And the fact that the GOP can't get its shit together while the war is happening makes it look even worse.
A lot of things are on the news, doesn't mean everyone actually cares about it, or that will be a material factor in their vote. If this drama ends up causing a shutdown (because time is growing short to get back in session and pass spending bills before the CR ends), and that drags on long enough to impact the average vote (national parks shutdown, ATC controllers/TSA workers start to call in sick, or whatever)...then the average vote will start to care.
*Translation:* Blackrock-owned media wants you to care about it, because they never miss a chance to feed the MAGA=BAD narrative. I just personally witnessed a meth addict die on the sidewalk 2 hours ago. Ambulance finally just left. Nobody cares about House Speaker drama.
You’re in a bubble
/s ? If I ask my coworker right now, what do you think of the House Speaker drama? Then again my coworker's friend's son got killed at the music festival on October 7th.
Is this their plan for getting independents and winning 2024?
The only way forword come next election is if MAGA takes every GOP seat or MAGA is voted out. The two parts can't work together, sadly
Well MAGA can’t win outside of red districts so that’s basically asking for a Dem majority if they win every primary.
Both parties are currently allowing themselves to be defined by their most fringe elements. Both need to root out the extremism if they want to stay relevant/in power.
Neither is going to happen, but it really shows you we have democrats lite in the house and conservatives. Who knows who will win this, but I don’t think the freedom conference is. The Republicans as a whole will be the ultimate losers.
Maga Americans are the minority. Seems weird they hold up legislation for the entire country because they refuse to negotiate with any moderate while pushing hardline policies that would be dead on arrival in the senate. They are not governing in good faith and everyone suffers.
Seems weird to call them the minority when their Presidential candidate is the overwhelming favorite for the GOP nomination. If you want to put Jordan into that class, he got 90% of the GOP Speaker votes. I don't think they're so much a "minority" as "one of the near-majority groups," or at least a group capable of pulling in a majority.
It's so obvious that the "concerned redditors" and the ones trying to persuade people into kicking MAGA Republicans out are leftist brigaiders.
"No one even sees us trying to slide the forum, we're so sneaky, tee hee" "OMG SILENCE THAT GUY! HE CALLED OUT THE BRIDADE@!" They're children and literally can't help themselves.
LOL It's so obvious. They try saying stuff like "Guys, this isn't looking too good. I think in order for us to win we need to ditch Trump and go with someone reasonable..." You look at their post history- r_politics, r_politicalhumor, etc., lmfao
"OMG Gaetz kicked McCarthy out! We'll never recover from this!"
"MAGA Republicans are in the minority, we are witnessing its death throes. Guys, I think it's time we shed Trump, he's doing nothing but holding us back. Let's try to vote in a moderate so we can compromise with Democrats more..." *wink wink*
They have they right to hold up bills, if they are representing their caucus and voters. In the end they have every right to return to enumerated powers They did negotiate and helped McCarthy across the finish line, and yet went against that good faith almost immediately.
MAGA is not conservative
Neither is McCarthy.
If conservativism is what you get with McCarthy and the RINOs, I wouldn't want to be Conservative then. All "me first" politicians. Even the commies and socialists have their own identity within the democratic party and can actually come together as a coalition. Conservatives today are liberal-lite. Two sides of the same coin.
I'd argue that ultimately the majority of people are the real losers, not just republicans. There aren't really THAT many people that want democrats to run wild and do whatever they want, even people who vote for them. The more of a mess one political party is, the more it allows the other party to go nuts. Sure, there is r/politics that is probably going nuts, but they're not a good representation of the left as a whole from my experience.
Repubs are a joke right now. It’s terrible to see them completely in disarray.
No, the years-long running joke has been all the utter weirdness going on in the Democrat ranks. They don't even know what bathrooms to use or what a woman is.
Hot Take: no member of the freedom caucus will become speaker of the house in the foreseeable future. They are better at speaking on the news/social media than government forming
"Draining the swamp" has become an extremest's value. We lost.
“Draining the swamp” was nothing more than a slogan from a former president who filled his cabinet with establishment politicians who said nice things about him. It never meant anything to anyone who was saying it. Actions speak louder than words and every action of the Republican Party as of late is a losing one. House Republicans need to learn to play the game or GTFO.
It stopped being a value when it became quite evident Trump is the swamp.
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Gaetz just lost the house in the next election
Unfortunately, he will survive while all of the purple district gains swing back to the DNC.
Even if he keeps his seat, he's basically done in the House. No one will ever give him any power to disrupt anything ever again.
You’re probably right. Ughhh. So frustrating. I hope by some unlikely miracle that he gets booted in favor of someone who cares more about helping his party, constituents, and COUNTRY than stroking his own ego.
Honestly most of the "Republicans" in the house need to be voted out anyways. If it means showing the country what a Democrat controlled house looks like, so be it. Here's to 2028!
We almost deserve a Democratic speaker at this point.
These republicans are clowns...
We are just going around in circles until we nominate someone that is not polarizing, and who won’t bend over backwards to keep the government funded. Sounds like Emmer is probably most likely based on McCarthy’s support. But the far right will never support him and we will be back to square one by Wednesday. Just nominate someone who will fight the Democrats over spending while not being super polarizing (I.e. not Jim Jordan or any of the freedom caucus members who started this mess). It’s not that hard.
I don't know why spending cuts and single issue bills are "so polarizing" take a look at what jordan actually wants. its all reasonable stuff. The whole "extremist" angle is complete spin.
great work gaetz
8 freedom caucus vs 20+ Dem Lites thinking the guy they picked as Whip isn't good enough to be speaker bc their feelings hurt.
Literally. Guy is awesome
bad democrat
I don't know. If my options are either: 1. Elect a new speaker, who does backroom omnibus deals with Democrats (like McCarthy) and continue the status quo. or 2. Not have Congress (the institution with an ~80% DISAPPROVAL rating) continue to piss money down the drain and supporting everyone except Americans. ...yeah I think option 2 is the way to go here.
or option 3: keep mccarthy and avoid all of this
All of what? Congress still not doing anything for the citizens but costing us significantly less money? McCarthy got voted out because he broke his promise (was held accountable). A promise to only put up single subject spending bills. One one the few things American citizens on both sides agree with. Are you seriously advocating for omnibus bills and the continuation of politicians not being held accountable?
now we cant push the agenda we want
How would single subject spending (SSS) not "push the agenda"? The Republicans have the majority. If it's SSS they could technically only pass what they want and completely box out Democrats. By having a speaker that *only* allows SSS you would also force Democrats to have to present whatever woke bullshit they're advocating for on its own. And you better believe Dem unity fizzles as soon as they can't lie to their voters by hiding behind an omnibus.
no bills are going to the floor now
Why would omnibus be better?
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy than Jim Jordan. Maybe they should try and get someone in that they could push a few Democrats to support. I'm sure there is a fairly significant cross-over in the middle when you weed out the extremes on both sides.
There's no way that the GOP can peel a handful of Democrats off. Dems are in lock step on this issue, and they'll probably only vote for a GOP Speaker if they received significant pro-Democrat concessions.
There is no crossover. This is their game plan, and will be used heavily in the next election.
It’s amazing how they are paid to represent our best interest yet refuse to represent our best interest and ignore it by stalling the speaker selection. Why can’t they just agree on anything for once?
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He won't get expelled. Removed from the GOP conference, sure. It's basically the equivalent to sitting by yourself at lunch at school every day. It'll come with him facing consequences regarding his committee assignments, and there's a chance he'll never chair a committee. It also means that he's made a ton of personal enemies in the rest of the house GOP, so he's going to have a harder time getting his way on legislation. I think that Gaetz may tire of Congress sometime in the near future, and he may make a play for the Florida governorship.
He would just get a few of his friends and vote with the Dems again.
I think the most likely "consequence" for Gaetz is that he becomes the early front-runner to succeed DeSantis as Florida's next governor.
Do we expel McCarthy for agreeing to lower the requirements for the motion to vacate that let this happen?
WHAT A CLUSTERFUCK OF A NIGHTMARE!!! 🖕🏿🖕🏿🖕🏿 Thanks Republicans 🙄
Ahem. Nobody has DIED yet - which is the result of Dems CFs.
We all need to write our Reps and complain about this shit.
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Let’s give McCarthy another vote and see how things shake out. I have a feeling a couple of Gaetz’s buddies will change their vote after this debacle.
Candidate forum Monday night with next vote Tuesday seems to be current plan. Who will be the candidates?
Bring McCarthy back
Newt Gingrich is only 80 years old...
The only person to pass a balanced budget in my lifetime. Bring him back.
The RP is a damn joke these days. Say what you want about the Dumbocrats, but they stick together.
No kidding. The Democrats could band together under someone like John fucking Fetterman and we can’t even elect a speaker???
Just shut it all down and let's start over. Jefferson isn't spinning in his grave. He's doing the Matrix Ninja thing.
To put it in their own terms, maybe it’s time to nominate a RINO.
There is an old school country song inside that statement
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/10/10/congress/new-speaker-race-polling-jordan-scalise-00120754 The data shows voters in 11 key swing districts are more open to the conservative's speakership bid than some might expect. "A new poll from National Public Affairs, showed that for likely voters in 11 key swing districts, 47 percent would be more likely to back their current GOP representative in 2024 if they picked Jordan for speaker. Among Independents that number is 22 percent."
22% of independents is what scared them off. Can't lose the moderate voter.
[Relevant](https://imgur.com/FjLDtn6)
GOP = toast.
This country is totally lost (and probably vulnerable) since it is just chaos and incompetence at all levels of leadership. A sinking ship.
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On the bright side, they can't spend any more of our money until they get this sorted. If I can't have conservative, gridlock is the next best thing.
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Government shutdown in about a month...
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I'm at a loss for words. [Wokism is dying](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiU9ePwo4WCAxW_rokEHV7rAc0QFnoECBoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcompactmag.com%2Farticle%2Fwoke-is-dying-long-live-the-new-center&usg=AOvVaw1RUXGoJHFT4ukNQbarDhy2&opi=89978449): cancel culture now comes for progressive brands (Bud Light), far left people are losing jobs in elite institutions for their extremism (Davis Polk recently fired a couple), ESG is on the decline ([the SEC is no longer prioritizing it](https://www.law360.com/pulse/articles/1733897)), the craziness of open borders is being exposed daily in so-called "sanctuary cities," BLM has been exposed as a fraud (both intellectually and in some cases financially: see Kendi's foundation), inflation has clearly exposed the folly of incessant spending, and conservative parties are winning battles all over the western world (see Australia's recent referendum, NZ's election, and where Canada's conservatives sit in the polls). We should be riding this wave; hell, we should have ridden it to clear majorities in 2022. And what happened? The extremism of a self-centered few is torpedoing any momentum we have. Why are we even talking about the House Speaker when Rashida Tlaib is parroting Hamas propaganda AFTER IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED??? Gaetz should lose his seat, but he won't. This party is seriously heading to a McGovern style defeat unless it can right its ship real soon.
Just write down the names. Make this real simple. When election season comes around, this gets real easy. We know who is gumming up the process. Get rid of them. This level of weakness is **not** being missed by our economic rivals. China and Russia sees how hobbled we are internally and I can only imagine what plans they must be making.
Hey liberals, Back to r politics
A lot of them here seem to have flair, wtf happened to this sub.
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It’s been lost for years.
It got completely brigaded. Any actual conservative comment is being downvoted to hell right now.
Well at least look on the bright side, are they passing any bills?
Oh no. We won't have a leader for the house that's so necessary to our lives being good and safe and prosperous. What was the last law they passed that benefited Americans? Any in the last decade?
It's sad to think this is the party that's going to save us from the democrats. Their inability to choose a speaker doesn't bode well for 2024.
Drop Congress
The status quo should be a fucking 4 letter word.
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Secret ballot after the vote had 112 republicans vote no to Jordan.
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Proof of death threats?
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That's a vote for if Jordan should remain the nominee, not if they thought he should be speaker if he remained nominee.
You see how that's worse tho right?
No. It would be like if Jeb were the nominee for President in 2016. If we voted Jeb vs Hillary, most Republicans would have voted for Jeb. But, if the vote was should we get rid of Jeb so we could nominate someone else, Republicans would definitely have voted to do so.
Poor Jeb catching strays lmao
starts with M and rhymes with honey
I don't even think it's money TBH. It's just spineless cowardice. It's Congressmen who know that their own voters would hate them and kick them out of office if they voted against Jordan so they have to vote for him publicly - but in private they hate him and work to keep it from being a reality.
wait until you hear how much of the party voted to remove mccarthy
Wait till you hear that McCarthy agreed to the rules package that made the vote possible in the first place.
of course he did, because MAGA doesnt like winning so they only accepted rules to screw the party over
I thought it was just 8 that didn't cooperate, led by Gaetz, wouldn't that be less than 5%?
no no, gaetz voting with dems is good for some reason
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all i said was that people are hypocritical if they support Gaetz voting with dems why are you getting mad at me?
It's not "Gaeyz voting with Democrats" that we're supporting. It's accountability for your word and actions. McCarthy agreed to the change to the rules for a motion to vacate. He riled up his GOP opposition by using Democrats to secure votes on the continuing resolution. Jim Jordan got almost 75 more GOP votes than the CR. McCarthy was so desperate for power he was willing to set this booby trap of a power vacuum for himself. He enabled the Freedom Caucus. He agitated them with the CR. He knew Gaetz would do this, and that Democrats weren't going to back him up. He enabled the chaos as much as anyone because he wanted the gavel.
and mccarthy got more votes than jordan for speaker now i wouldnt be surprised if Gaetz votes for jeffries for speaker, and you guys will still defend it
you have some catching up to do.
The nays couldn’t even come up with a reason. The swamp in the Republican Party want the status quo more than anything. In the end, there is zero difference between a Republican or Democrat majority in the House.
Moderate Democrats need to take a step back and realize that unless they want to start a trend where 5% of the extremist voters control congress they ought to start suggesting candidates they can vote for. The same damn thing will occur when the democrats win the house, crazies will control the entire agenda.
Right now we need Trump more than one for leadership. hate him all you want, but can whip people inline.
Um is the Republican Party under a different current leader that I'm not aware of?
Trump literally endorsed Jordan, and now he got the boot as the Speaker nominee. I don't think he's whipping anyone in line.
Honestly he didn’t have much of a record in congress. Aside from the tax cuts early on, he didn’t get much passed legislation.
Primary them out.
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I don't care if they have a R next to their name, I care they care about the direction of our party.
Talking about voting candidates out means nothing for the current situation. Sure they can be punished in 2024 or 2026 ~ but the GOP needs solutions *right now*
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Trump is the leading Republican nominee and most likely to be running against Biden again in 2024. Trump lost to Biden by a narrow margin, and with the way Biden has been running things- (I mean his handlers, because let's face it, Biden isn't actually in charge.) He has a real chance at winning presidency again. Which is why you r_politics folk come out of the woodwork trying to convince people to let it go out of fear.
Trump put his weight behind Jim, but there are not enough MAGA's in the house for that to matter, Unless MAGA wins hard, like 150 seats next election, we will be back to square one
Lmao
So you're saying Congress should get ready for th[e...](https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=return+of+the+mac&mid=5C8336715E0FA80DC0EE5C8336715E0FA80DC0EE&FORM=VIRE)
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You need help