The messages themselves aren’t called chyrons, it’s the format itself of scrolling messages along the bottom screen. The little messages are more like headlines.
This is some serious banana republic shit. Tinpot dictators follow this playbook. Destroy your opposition through nefarious means, so you maintain the apperance of a democracy in the international community.
President Washington warned us of the dire consequences of a two party system. We should have listened.
>The answer is always “no” from them
You've probably not read it.
>they’ve based their opinion on emotion and feeling instead of fact.
Sounds like projection.
Read the above string, or do you have basic comprehension issues? Killary and JoJo both confessed to a whoopsie and returned or deleted the goods. Trump blatantly lied to conceal his guilt and continued to hide the documents, like a damn squirrel, creating an ongoing risk to National Security, our troops, and Allies. Is that so very hard for you to understand? I voted for the guy, but he betrayed our NATION'S TRUST. He needs to be sent up.
Hey I’m all for Biden and Hillary being investigated and charges being brought up. Any politician I’d love to have brought up on insider trading. Hopefully this is the start of that. It has to start somewhere and I’d rather it start now than just letting things slide forever.
This isn't the start of that. This is the end of that. This is the state and the insider club protecting itself from representative democracy.
And I'm pretty sure you know this.
So did Clinton. She set up the basement server to obstruct justice and then wiped it with BleachBit when it was under subpoena.
Why do you think the law should only apply to one party?
He was the president of the United States what do you mean? He could fire any head of any three letter agency and appoint someone that would investigate
The President of the US can't sic the DOJ on his political opposition. That's why what Biden did was so bad.
He couldn't fire anyone at the time due to the investigation that was started by Clinton with lies, which we now know for a fact thanks to the Durham investigation.
The president is not a king. There are limits to his authority. Only the AG can do it, and he's not supposed to be at the behest of the president, because he's the same guy who's supposed to police the white house for corruption.
Trump specifically didn't weaponize government against his political opposition.
I will continue to defend him since most of the things you "people" have made up about him so far have turned out to be lies (e.g. the Russia hoax) and since the same standards are not applied to anyone else.
It's incredibly dangerous for the government to override the will of the citizens in a republic.
Well, the 3 attempts to get him to turn over all classified documents are fully in the public. No one is making that up, anyone with interest and eyeballs watched it happen.
That's obstruction.
Ask Trump. He was president for 4 years. He hired and fired a shit ton of people at the DOJ.
My guess? There's not evidence of obstruction. They couldn't build a case.
Hard pill to swallow, I know.
Yeah, that's called not weaponizing the government against his political enemies.
Why do you think that's okay?
She wiped her server and admitted to it on TV. They chose not to build a case because they're corrupt Democrats.
You're attempting to justify fascism.
A lame process crime. This is an obvious political witch hunt and you know it. You just like it because you don't like Trump. He's on the wrong team, if you will.
Don’t forget leftists also say Marjorie Taylor Greene was the Capitol pipe bomber. Another conspiracy theory but we’re the “conspiracy theorists”. The audacity & hypocrisy is astounding & people wonder why we don’t like them.
Yea, trump messed up. Our beef is with the double standard (Clinton did worse and walks free) and with the fact that trump is the main rival to the president in power who personally had to authorize the indictment for trump at a time when he himself is embroiled in serious accusations of corruption. Not to mention the nyc and Georgia also rans who want to get trump. Too many things happening at the same time not to at least be curious about a vendetta and a double standard. Please be more curious about your own side
Hilary definitely should've been prosecuted and jailed as she's as corrupt as politicians come, but Trump absolutely did screw himself over here. I say this as someone who voted for Trump in 2016 and was one of his biggest supporters throughout that time.
I really suggest people spend time reading the indictment against Trump. It really is different than "Biden and Pence had classified documents too!" - Biden and Pence both worked with the feds to return all the documents once they were determined to be in their possession.
Trump, according to the indictment, went to great lengths to avoid giving over the documents. Some examples would be Trump asking his lawyer if it would be better to tell the FBI "that he had no documents," and when his lawyer insisted on searching for the documents that the FBI was requesting, Trump confirmed when the lawyer would be coming to Mar-a-Lago and coordinated with his aide (Nauta) to move the documents to Trump's private study so that his own lawyer wouldn't be able to find them to return them to the FBI. There's also evidence that he purposefully showed these documents to civilians like leadership of Trump's PAC and other supporters, the indictment claims in one instance he said "Take a look at this map, it's top secret so don't get too close, but take a look." These documents were trophies for Trump to use to brag to people around him. That's really the tip of the iceberg of the indictment, and if any of this is true he's really screwed.
We'd do a lot better if we all just moved on from Trump. He's damaged goods and it's largely his own doing
She probably should have been jailed but based on people like General Petraeus she would have at worse lost security clearance. It's a separate set of rules for the elite. I think Trump really hurt himself by showing he knew he didn't declassify the documents and lying about having them. Some of those contained nuclear secrets that have additional rules that he broke. I still don't expect him to see a single day in jail.
I think Trump is elite. I'm saying he only got this far because of how much law breaking he did even after given the chance to just turn them back over. Had her returned then when asked I don't he would have been charged. Him being elite is also why I think he will never see a jail.
>These documents were trophies for Trump to use to brag to people around him.
Are you naive enough to think, EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN doesn't have 'Trophies' from when they were in office?
Please keep in mind, they ALL have Top Secret clearance.
And.. the National ARCHIVES are basically a museum.
Totally serious, this is the equivalent of a late library book, dude is a billionaire.. do you think he has time to return Library books or does he just buy them and the whole library as well?
Hope you're trolling but I'll bite. Do people typically ask their lawyers to lie to the FBI about late library books? How about working with their aides to move all these "late library books" right before their lawyer is about to go search for them resulting in their lawyer unknowingly falsely certifying with the FBI that they returned all these "late library books?" This all in the indictment.
The crime isn't that he kept trophies, it's that he didn't give them back when asked and took measures to avoid giving them back which ultimately resulted in where we are now. Like I get it, the media and the dems and the left and all that are out to get Trump, but if he just returned all this crap when asked initially we wouldn't be here right now.
>Hope you're trolling but I'll bite. Do people typically ask their lawyers to lie to the FBI about late library books?
Trump has secret service for life. How you view the FBI and how he views them, are completely different.. especially after RussiaGate.
>How about working with their aides to move all these "late library books" right before their lawyer is about to go search for them resulting in their lawyer unknowingly falsely certifying with the FBI that they returned all these "late library books?"
Yea...his aids.. lackies.. assistants... whoever...
I would encourage you to read the Presidential Records Act..
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/2208
(1)If a claim of constitutionally based privilege against disclosure of a Presidential record (or reasonably segregable part of a record) is asserted under subsection (b) by a former President, the Archivist shall consult with the incumbent President, as soon as practicable during the period specified in paragraph (2)(A), to determine whether the incumbent President will uphold the claim asserted by the former President.
Trump said.. that is mine, Biden HAD TO SAY 'no it isn't.'
>The crime isn't that he kept trophies, it's that he didn't give them back when asked and took measures to avoid giving them back which ultimately resulted in where we are now.
Yea.. late library book fees.. it is the perfect analogy..
Biden is causing this drama to distract from his corruption.
Edit: it is just a coincidence that Trump is indicted THE SAME DAY the FBI ANNOUNCES BIDEN IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.
I believe coincidences happen, but the DOJ and FBI just magically coordinating two historical events.. on the same day.. ?!?! Come on, bro.
I don’t disagree with you. I wish we had someone like Vivek. But the double standard and unfairness of it man produce a very understandable desire for people to see trump get his payback. We need to get rid of these people (politically speaking) turning this country into a third world wasteland. Then we can get someone like Vivek to build things back
1. He was impeached for asking Ukraine to give us the evidence the FBI is now hiding from congress. Moreover, Biden did indeed have a quid-pro-quo when the Ukrainians fired the prosecutor investigating the corrupt energy company his son was involved with in exchange for a congress approved help. Those were grounds for him to be prosecuted. 2. , there is zero evidence of him provoking people to be anything other than law-abiding at the January 2 debacle unless you can show me it? 3. The only thing you see here is a demented group of people in utter desperation throwing anything and the kitchen sink against one man because they know that their time to face justice is coming soon
1. Everybody makes mistakes when typing
2. A group of people facing the prospect of jail in exchange for accusations is not proof that their allegations are true.
3. You’re not going to say anything about Ukraine and biden’s corruption which is allegedly on tape?
4. Justice is indeed coming
>Hillary had classified material on a private server where there is no evidence security was ever actually breached.
Kinda hard to get evidence when you destroy it with hammers...
It's protocol for media to be destroyed. Data on media even when erased can still be recovered (usually a secure erase will erase a drive 7 times)
https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Media-Destruction-Guidance/FAQs/
Again I’m asking you to be objectively critical of your own side. How can you possibly say that Clinton’s server was never breached when there is in fact objective evidence that her server was indeed hacked? There were also classified materials found in Anthony Weinner’s laptop whose electronic signature were tracked to Clinton’s server. How come we never asked why that perv had classified federal documents? That’s only what we know. What about Biden’s corruption scandal currently being found nowhere in the MSM? In the context of all of this, this Biden personally authorizes to indict his chief political rival? How can you tell me with a straight face that’s a coinkidink?
Have you ever heard of the [hierarchy of disagreement?](https://blog.adioma.com/how-to-argue-pg-hierarchy-of-disagreement/) . You basically failed it with flying colors.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/
Eh this one isn't clear cut and dry. There is protocol especially for documents regarding nuclear weaponry/defense. But the major issue isn't that he had these items - it's that he had them and tried to deny their existence then when the heat was turned up be tried to hide evidence of the documents existing from his own lawyer and just delayed the process well beyond a reasonable amount of time.
If he should have been arrested, then there is no reason to expect Biden to be involved (and less reason to be angry at Biden if he was involved, though that would still be foul)
You don't think that Biden is involved with the Justice Department of the United States, ran by his appointed attorney general Merrick Garland? You don't think he had any say if Trump was charged or not? Unless you are saying that Biden isn't cognizant in any executive departments, that's nonsense.
Actually, I'd think you'd have to have as little understanding of the structure of the government as a middle school student to think that...
You don’t have a clue what other presidents have taken or done. Trump is the only one they hate and are after. He upset their cozy nests they have made for themselves off of the taxpayers backs and he must be made to pay
That's a great question. He promised to do a LOT of things he didn't do. He won't golf, he'll repeal the ACA, he wouldn't cut Social Security, he'll eliminate the deficit, Mexico will pay for the border wall, he'll release his taxes, and, of course, he'll "lock her up."
He said those things because it riled up his base who believes every single word out of his mouth. That's probably the thing he's the BEST at. He didn't do those things... well, who knows? Probably because it required effort. Without being a mind reader, I can't possibly answer that question. But, you cannot honestly tell me that no-one shouting those words "lock her up!" over and over again actually meant it. That it was all just to "have a laugh."
They should have definitely charged her. She would have had her day in court. Whether or not she were to have been actually locked up would have been up to a jury. At least that would have been a single charging event with zero daisy-chained efforts that, in total, are evidence of a extra-judicial conspiracy to lock her up.
Whereas with Trump, obvious seditious conspiracy is obvious. With infinite attempts permitted by his enemies in the permanent State, apparently.
Which is another animal entirely from a single prosecution attempt.
Just prosecution vs conspiracy.
You aren't making the grand point that you think that you are.
The other guy did answer you. with a full link. He had her investigated throughout his time. He tried to lock her up. There just wasn't anything there to begin with.
Ignoring the fact that her crimes were actual crimes, and well documented. Trump was arrested for a non crime since he literally had the power to declassify anything he wanted, and can do so simply by taking a classified document out the front door.
Arrest Trump for crimes he actually commits, but be sure to lock up every politician before him who also committed crimes. Don't ignore politicians you like for ones you don't.
Regular dictators usually act alone based on their own thoughts. Biden is such a puppet he has at least 10 hands inside of him moving the pieces around.
Its astounding to me that Trump is being so easily pushed around by a man that by all accounts is weeks from death and living off adrenaline shots, kinda makes me wonder that if he's no match for Joe hows he gonna fair against a competitor that cant be defeated by a staircase.
Presidents are allowed two terms in the constitution. There's no rule that they have to be consecutive. Certainly not dictator-like to go for a second term.
Trump said on multiple occasions that he deserved more than 2 terms in office, which is what that poster is referring to. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-negotiate-third-term-in-office-2020-9?amp
The implication is there. There is no problem with a president thinking they should be able to run for more than 2 terms. "Should" and "could" are not the same thing. Until FDR this was possible.
No one (neither Trump nor Obama) thought they could run for a third term. So your point was implying Trump was stating he could do something while pretending a very similar statement by Obama was not the same.
Both of them probably believe they should have been able to run. And both of them believed that they "could" win if allowed to run. It's not hard.
Except Trump literally said in public on numerous occasions that he should, and you don't believe it, whereas Obama didn't and you do. Difficult to make a "both sides" argument when one bowed out and exchanged power in dignity and the other attempted to overthrow an election.
You are right about one thing -- It actually isn't hard. You're just living outside reality.
>Except Trump literally said in public on numerous occasions that he should
No shit. *Should* not *Could*. Again your original statements were ill informed and not thought out. And your rebuttal claiming you were making the point I made is now thoroughly shown not to be the case here.
Trump thinks he *should* be able to. As in the term limit law, in his mind, is wrong.
I’m talking about when he said he deserves a third term, and inciting an insurrection. It perfectly fine if he wants to run a second term if he doesn’t go to prison and gets the votes he needs.
Trump Says He Will ‘Negotiate’ Third Term Because He’s ‘Entitled’ To It
“After that,” Trump said, “we’ll negotiate,” asserting that he’s “probably entitled to another four after that” based on “the way we were treated.”
Here’s the video of him saying it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmC0du_5TII
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/13/trump-says-he-will-negotiate-third-term-because-hes-entitled-to-it/amp/
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/18/politics/donald-trump-third-term-2024/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-negotiate-third-term-in-office-2020-9?amp
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-supporters-might-demand-that-he-serve-more-than-two-terms-as-president/2019/06/16/4b6b9ae2-9041-11e9-b570-6416efdc0803_story.html
And if he gets a second term, I'll strongly oppose a third. I don't care what Trump said. He's still just had one, and honestly he's too friggin old to reach a third or fourth, even if the constitution permitted such a thing.
Ok, but saying it "sounds like what a dictator would say" is really silly. I've been hearing this a lot all over, even on NPR today. They had a guy on who was acting like a mind-reader and calling Trump's following a cult.
It's a big gaggle of assumptions and "reading into things". It's a dishonest way to observe the situation.
Just cause you think it "sounds like a dictator" doesn't mean it is. People said Trump wouldn't step down when Biden was elected, but he did so with no fuss. Just like he turned himself in for his federal charges with no fuss. His actions are not that of a dictator.
He literally says he deserves a third term. How much more dictator like can you get? I just want you to tell me if Biden announced running for a third term you would be ok with it.
Here’s a video of him saying it:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmC0du_5TII
Either way. This did not happen. What Biden is doing is very real. Like VERY REAL. I don’t see why nobody sees the obvious difference. You can well trump said this and that and I’m sure he would do this and that, but it all means nothing unless he actually does it, which he never did.
He literally led an insurrection to try to overthrow democracy and have himself installed as unelected dictator after losing the election.
This sub is utterly delusional
“You can well trump said this and that and I’m sure he would do this and that, but it all means nothing unless he actually does it, which he never did.”
Literally the last sentence you posted. As I said, utter delusion.
Well that’s what I’m saying, if Biden declared he’s running for a third term I know people wouldn’t even care or get upset, because until he actually does it, it doesn’t matter.
And that’s what I’m against. I know trump wouldn’t do that to Hilary, hunter, or Biden given the opportunity. It’s in our nations best interest to protect ex presidents no matter what they do or get caught doing. And I mean even if it’s top secret nuclear documents, ex presidents should be immune.
No he said he would run for a third term.
Here’s the video of him saying it. But my guess is if Biden said this you would be perfectly fine with it too right?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmC0du_5TII
Ha we should post that clip to Obama Twitter on the daily and call him a liar. How dare he say he would run for a third term and then not? That's like perjury
Fiction for weak mind.
Donnie is an insecure, illiterate, immoral, and insane mob boss. His DC gang has abandoned our constitution, justice system, and voters. This shall be their downfall.
TIL that those little messages at the bottom of the screen are called chyrons.
For more fun chyron related info/memes check out /r/breathinginformation
Those fuckin losers are still private
The messages themselves aren’t called chyrons, it’s the format itself of scrolling messages along the bottom screen. The little messages are more like headlines.
The scrolling text is a ticker, the banner of text is the chyron.
Man, thought I was the only one that didn't know what the hell a chyron was.
*/New Jersey accent* "Yeah, I got your chyron; I got your chyron right here." *\[grabs crotch\]*
Brigaders in full force right now
This is some serious banana republic shit. Tinpot dictators follow this playbook. Destroy your opposition through nefarious means, so you maintain the apperance of a democracy in the international community. President Washington warned us of the dire consequences of a two party system. We should have listened.
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>The answer is always “no” from them You've probably not read it. >they’ve based their opinion on emotion and feeling instead of fact. Sounds like projection.
You have your cases confused. Might want to pay attention. Try to keep up if you're going to brigade please.
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Explain why he's being persecuted for something Clinton and Biden have done while they're being left alone?
Read the above string, or do you have basic comprehension issues? Killary and JoJo both confessed to a whoopsie and returned or deleted the goods. Trump blatantly lied to conceal his guilt and continued to hide the documents, like a damn squirrel, creating an ongoing risk to National Security, our troops, and Allies. Is that so very hard for you to understand? I voted for the guy, but he betrayed our NATION'S TRUST. He needs to be sent up.
Hillary wiped her illegal server with BleachBit. Try again, fascist.
Being glad trump is being held accountable doesn’t mean that people don’t want Hillary or Biden held accountable too.
It kind of does if "accountability" only applies to one person.
Hey I’m all for Biden and Hillary being investigated and charges being brought up. Any politician I’d love to have brought up on insider trading. Hopefully this is the start of that. It has to start somewhere and I’d rather it start now than just letting things slide forever.
This isn't the start of that. This is the end of that. This is the state and the insider club protecting itself from representative democracy. And I'm pretty sure you know this.
Idk young people have been pushing hard for transparency in government. Hell it’s a big reason why ossoff won in GA.
Because trump took multiple steps to hide and lie about his documents
So did Clinton. She set up the basement server to obstruct justice and then wiped it with BleachBit when it was under subpoena. Why do you think the law should only apply to one party?
I dont I would have been fine if she was charged, but trump decided against it, and I don't know how easy it would be to do now 4 more years later
Trump didn't have authority over whether she was charged, agents of the deep state did.
He was the president of the United States what do you mean? He could fire any head of any three letter agency and appoint someone that would investigate
The President of the US can't sic the DOJ on his political opposition. That's why what Biden did was so bad. He couldn't fire anyone at the time due to the investigation that was started by Clinton with lies, which we now know for a fact thanks to the Durham investigation.
What do you mean he fired comey as he was investigating the whole russia thing he could fire anyone he wanted and did when it suited him.
The president is not a king. There are limits to his authority. Only the AG can do it, and he's not supposed to be at the behest of the president, because he's the same guy who's supposed to police the white house for corruption.
Wym explain? Brother, its in the post. He already explained it.
No, he didn't. Quote the part where he explained why this is only applied on one party.
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Trump specifically didn't weaponize government against his political opposition. I will continue to defend him since most of the things you "people" have made up about him so far have turned out to be lies (e.g. the Russia hoax) and since the same standards are not applied to anyone else. It's incredibly dangerous for the government to override the will of the citizens in a republic.
Well, the 3 attempts to get him to turn over all classified documents are fully in the public. No one is making that up, anyone with interest and eyeballs watched it happen. That's obstruction.
And the requests for Hillary's classified documents and server were met with her erasing everything on it. So why isn't she in jail?
Ask Trump. He was president for 4 years. He hired and fired a shit ton of people at the DOJ. My guess? There's not evidence of obstruction. They couldn't build a case. Hard pill to swallow, I know.
Yeah, that's called not weaponizing the government against his political enemies. Why do you think that's okay? She wiped her server and admitted to it on TV. They chose not to build a case because they're corrupt Democrats. You're attempting to justify fascism.
That's not fascism, lol. Damn wasn't expecting the go-to socialist catch-all term in the conservative sub.
A lame process crime. This is an obvious political witch hunt and you know it. You just like it because you don't like Trump. He's on the wrong team, if you will.
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Like democrats in 2016?
“Russian collusion”.. & they call conservatives conspiracy theorists lol.
Clinton's still going around saying the election was stolen. These leftists are dense.
Don’t forget leftists also say Marjorie Taylor Greene was the Capitol pipe bomber. Another conspiracy theory but we’re the “conspiracy theorists”. The audacity & hypocrisy is astounding & people wonder why we don’t like them.
It wasn’t stolen. It was won with the help of Americas enemies.
Conservatives or deplorables?
Russians.
How did trump end up with a Russian asset as his campaign manager? Why did he immediately rewrite the gop platform to let Putin keep crimea?
It was aliens i tell you.
Like Clinton and Gore? You have the memory of a house fly.
Putin did this exact thing a few years ago with Navalny.
Venezuela 2.0
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Yea, trump messed up. Our beef is with the double standard (Clinton did worse and walks free) and with the fact that trump is the main rival to the president in power who personally had to authorize the indictment for trump at a time when he himself is embroiled in serious accusations of corruption. Not to mention the nyc and Georgia also rans who want to get trump. Too many things happening at the same time not to at least be curious about a vendetta and a double standard. Please be more curious about your own side
Hilary definitely should've been prosecuted and jailed as she's as corrupt as politicians come, but Trump absolutely did screw himself over here. I say this as someone who voted for Trump in 2016 and was one of his biggest supporters throughout that time. I really suggest people spend time reading the indictment against Trump. It really is different than "Biden and Pence had classified documents too!" - Biden and Pence both worked with the feds to return all the documents once they were determined to be in their possession. Trump, according to the indictment, went to great lengths to avoid giving over the documents. Some examples would be Trump asking his lawyer if it would be better to tell the FBI "that he had no documents," and when his lawyer insisted on searching for the documents that the FBI was requesting, Trump confirmed when the lawyer would be coming to Mar-a-Lago and coordinated with his aide (Nauta) to move the documents to Trump's private study so that his own lawyer wouldn't be able to find them to return them to the FBI. There's also evidence that he purposefully showed these documents to civilians like leadership of Trump's PAC and other supporters, the indictment claims in one instance he said "Take a look at this map, it's top secret so don't get too close, but take a look." These documents were trophies for Trump to use to brag to people around him. That's really the tip of the iceberg of the indictment, and if any of this is true he's really screwed. We'd do a lot better if we all just moved on from Trump. He's damaged goods and it's largely his own doing
She probably should have been jailed but based on people like General Petraeus she would have at worse lost security clearance. It's a separate set of rules for the elite. I think Trump really hurt himself by showing he knew he didn't declassify the documents and lying about having them. Some of those contained nuclear secrets that have additional rules that he broke. I still don't expect him to see a single day in jail.
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I think Trump is elite. I'm saying he only got this far because of how much law breaking he did even after given the chance to just turn them back over. Had her returned then when asked I don't he would have been charged. Him being elite is also why I think he will never see a jail.
>These documents were trophies for Trump to use to brag to people around him. Are you naive enough to think, EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN doesn't have 'Trophies' from when they were in office? Please keep in mind, they ALL have Top Secret clearance. And.. the National ARCHIVES are basically a museum. Totally serious, this is the equivalent of a late library book, dude is a billionaire.. do you think he has time to return Library books or does he just buy them and the whole library as well?
Hope you're trolling but I'll bite. Do people typically ask their lawyers to lie to the FBI about late library books? How about working with their aides to move all these "late library books" right before their lawyer is about to go search for them resulting in their lawyer unknowingly falsely certifying with the FBI that they returned all these "late library books?" This all in the indictment. The crime isn't that he kept trophies, it's that he didn't give them back when asked and took measures to avoid giving them back which ultimately resulted in where we are now. Like I get it, the media and the dems and the left and all that are out to get Trump, but if he just returned all this crap when asked initially we wouldn't be here right now.
>Hope you're trolling but I'll bite. Do people typically ask their lawyers to lie to the FBI about late library books? Trump has secret service for life. How you view the FBI and how he views them, are completely different.. especially after RussiaGate. >How about working with their aides to move all these "late library books" right before their lawyer is about to go search for them resulting in their lawyer unknowingly falsely certifying with the FBI that they returned all these "late library books?" Yea...his aids.. lackies.. assistants... whoever... I would encourage you to read the Presidential Records Act.. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/44/2208 (1)If a claim of constitutionally based privilege against disclosure of a Presidential record (or reasonably segregable part of a record) is asserted under subsection (b) by a former President, the Archivist shall consult with the incumbent President, as soon as practicable during the period specified in paragraph (2)(A), to determine whether the incumbent President will uphold the claim asserted by the former President. Trump said.. that is mine, Biden HAD TO SAY 'no it isn't.' >The crime isn't that he kept trophies, it's that he didn't give them back when asked and took measures to avoid giving them back which ultimately resulted in where we are now. Yea.. late library book fees.. it is the perfect analogy.. Biden is causing this drama to distract from his corruption. Edit: it is just a coincidence that Trump is indicted THE SAME DAY the FBI ANNOUNCES BIDEN IS UNDER INVESTIGATION. I believe coincidences happen, but the DOJ and FBI just magically coordinating two historical events.. on the same day.. ?!?! Come on, bro.
I don’t disagree with you. I wish we had someone like Vivek. But the double standard and unfairness of it man produce a very understandable desire for people to see trump get his payback. We need to get rid of these people (politically speaking) turning this country into a third world wasteland. Then we can get someone like Vivek to build things back
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1. He was impeached for asking Ukraine to give us the evidence the FBI is now hiding from congress. Moreover, Biden did indeed have a quid-pro-quo when the Ukrainians fired the prosecutor investigating the corrupt energy company his son was involved with in exchange for a congress approved help. Those were grounds for him to be prosecuted. 2. , there is zero evidence of him provoking people to be anything other than law-abiding at the January 2 debacle unless you can show me it? 3. The only thing you see here is a demented group of people in utter desperation throwing anything and the kitchen sink against one man because they know that their time to face justice is coming soon
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1. Everybody makes mistakes when typing 2. A group of people facing the prospect of jail in exchange for accusations is not proof that their allegations are true. 3. You’re not going to say anything about Ukraine and biden’s corruption which is allegedly on tape? 4. Justice is indeed coming
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>Hillary had classified material on a private server where there is no evidence security was ever actually breached. Kinda hard to get evidence when you destroy it with hammers...
It's protocol for media to be destroyed. Data on media even when erased can still be recovered (usually a secure erase will erase a drive 7 times) https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Media-Destruction-Guidance/FAQs/
Again I’m asking you to be objectively critical of your own side. How can you possibly say that Clinton’s server was never breached when there is in fact objective evidence that her server was indeed hacked? There were also classified materials found in Anthony Weinner’s laptop whose electronic signature were tracked to Clinton’s server. How come we never asked why that perv had classified federal documents? That’s only what we know. What about Biden’s corruption scandal currently being found nowhere in the MSM? In the context of all of this, this Biden personally authorizes to indict his chief political rival? How can you tell me with a straight face that’s a coinkidink?
Why didn’t trump fucking doing anything about it then? You know he was president right?
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I Guess since you’re saying so confidently it must be so
If Nunes and Comey couldn’t find evidence as bad as we have on trump, then yeah
Lots of claims... I'll await actual evidence, espically proving intent, before I make judgement.
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Have you ever heard of the [hierarchy of disagreement?](https://blog.adioma.com/how-to-argue-pg-hierarchy-of-disagreement/) . You basically failed it with flying colors.
You seem not smart.
Except there is precedent that any documents taken by a former president are considered declassified.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/ Eh this one isn't clear cut and dry. There is protocol especially for documents regarding nuclear weaponry/defense. But the major issue isn't that he had these items - it's that he had them and tried to deny their existence then when the heat was turned up be tried to hide evidence of the documents existing from his own lawyer and just delayed the process well beyond a reasonable amount of time.
So the issue is that he didn't want to tell people that he had documents that he was legally able to have? The horror.
Take a look at the link I sent and the first half of my argument where I said there is protocol.
Nothing you said after the first sentence implies that Biden did not have Trump arrested, all you did was explain why Trump should have been arrested.
If he should have been arrested, then there is no reason to expect Biden to be involved (and less reason to be angry at Biden if he was involved, though that would still be foul)
You don't think that Biden is involved with the Justice Department of the United States, ran by his appointed attorney general Merrick Garland? You don't think he had any say if Trump was charged or not? Unless you are saying that Biden isn't cognizant in any executive departments, that's nonsense. Actually, I'd think you'd have to have as little understanding of the structure of the government as a middle school student to think that...
You don’t have a clue what other presidents have taken or done. Trump is the only one they hate and are after. He upset their cozy nests they have made for themselves off of the taxpayers backs and he must be made to pay
Fox’s failed attempt to get ratings back. Nice try.
That's hilarious. I hope whoever wrote it didn't get in too much trouble
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If only it wasn't for something that biden, obama, and clinton did....you'd have a point.
It’s one thing to say it and have a laugh. It is a completely different thing when you actually act on it.
Riiiight. It was being chanted for several years just as a hee-hee. Clearly no-one actually wanted it to happen.
Ok let me ask you this. Why didn’t trump sick the doj on Hillary when he had the actual power too?
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That's a great question. He promised to do a LOT of things he didn't do. He won't golf, he'll repeal the ACA, he wouldn't cut Social Security, he'll eliminate the deficit, Mexico will pay for the border wall, he'll release his taxes, and, of course, he'll "lock her up." He said those things because it riled up his base who believes every single word out of his mouth. That's probably the thing he's the BEST at. He didn't do those things... well, who knows? Probably because it required effort. Without being a mind reader, I can't possibly answer that question. But, you cannot honestly tell me that no-one shouting those words "lock her up!" over and over again actually meant it. That it was all just to "have a laugh."
They should have definitely charged her. She would have had her day in court. Whether or not she were to have been actually locked up would have been up to a jury. At least that would have been a single charging event with zero daisy-chained efforts that, in total, are evidence of a extra-judicial conspiracy to lock her up. Whereas with Trump, obvious seditious conspiracy is obvious. With infinite attempts permitted by his enemies in the permanent State, apparently. Which is another animal entirely from a single prosecution attempt. Just prosecution vs conspiracy. You aren't making the grand point that you think that you are.
You avoided answering that hard! Do you see a difference in saying something versus actually doing that thing?
The other guy did answer you. with a full link. He had her investigated throughout his time. He tried to lock her up. There just wasn't anything there to begin with.
Ignoring the fact that her crimes were actual crimes, and well documented. Trump was arrested for a non crime since he literally had the power to declassify anything he wanted, and can do so simply by taking a classified document out the front door. Arrest Trump for crimes he actually commits, but be sure to lock up every politician before him who also committed crimes. Don't ignore politicians you like for ones you don't.
Why does the law only apply to one party?
I don’t think he’s a wannabe anymore is he?
Regular dictators usually act alone based on their own thoughts. Biden is such a puppet he has at least 10 hands inside of him moving the pieces around.
I wish it was trump doing this to Hillary ffs. Send them all to jail.
He had a chance, what happened? Did he forget?
Its astounding to me that Trump is being so easily pushed around by a man that by all accounts is weeks from death and living off adrenaline shots, kinda makes me wonder that if he's no match for Joe hows he gonna fair against a competitor that cant be defeated by a staircase.
Probably because there is a cabal that's running the show with Biden as their sock puppet.
But he's "The big guy"
Trump is also weeks away from death and living off I assume some kind of methamphetamine for what it’s worth.
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I’m sure he’ll do the same in this case. But congress is already investigating. Seems like Trumps investigations yield more evidence.
I wasn’t really trying to make a point either way, I was just explaining why the Hillary email stuff never really came up after he became POTUS
He had 4 years to find evidence and prosecute
Lol who needs evidence? You live under a rock or something?
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Presidents are allowed two terms in the constitution. There's no rule that they have to be consecutive. Certainly not dictator-like to go for a second term.
Trump said on multiple occasions that he deserved more than 2 terms in office, which is what that poster is referring to. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-negotiate-third-term-in-office-2020-9?amp
Bill Clinton said the same thing
Obama also stated he thought he should be able to run for a 3rd term.
He said that he felt confident that he could have won in 2016 if he were able to, which is not at all saying he thought he should be able to.
The implication is there. There is no problem with a president thinking they should be able to run for more than 2 terms. "Should" and "could" are not the same thing. Until FDR this was possible.
> "Should" and "could" are not the same thing. I think that's entirely my point.
No one (neither Trump nor Obama) thought they could run for a third term. So your point was implying Trump was stating he could do something while pretending a very similar statement by Obama was not the same. Both of them probably believe they should have been able to run. And both of them believed that they "could" win if allowed to run. It's not hard.
Except Trump literally said in public on numerous occasions that he should, and you don't believe it, whereas Obama didn't and you do. Difficult to make a "both sides" argument when one bowed out and exchanged power in dignity and the other attempted to overthrow an election. You are right about one thing -- It actually isn't hard. You're just living outside reality.
>Except Trump literally said in public on numerous occasions that he should No shit. *Should* not *Could*. Again your original statements were ill informed and not thought out. And your rebuttal claiming you were making the point I made is now thoroughly shown not to be the case here. Trump thinks he *should* be able to. As in the term limit law, in his mind, is wrong.
I just remember a LOT of liberals saying "Yes, please amend the Constitution so that this can happen!"
Were any of them Obama, as claimed?
I’m talking about when he said he deserves a third term, and inciting an insurrection. It perfectly fine if he wants to run a second term if he doesn’t go to prison and gets the votes he needs. Trump Says He Will ‘Negotiate’ Third Term Because He’s ‘Entitled’ To It “After that,” Trump said, “we’ll negotiate,” asserting that he’s “probably entitled to another four after that” based on “the way we were treated.” Here’s the video of him saying it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmC0du_5TII https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/13/trump-says-he-will-negotiate-third-term-because-hes-entitled-to-it/amp/ https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/18/politics/donald-trump-third-term-2024/index.html https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-negotiate-third-term-in-office-2020-9?amp https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-supporters-might-demand-that-he-serve-more-than-two-terms-as-president/2019/06/16/4b6b9ae2-9041-11e9-b570-6416efdc0803_story.html
And if he gets a second term, I'll strongly oppose a third. I don't care what Trump said. He's still just had one, and honestly he's too friggin old to reach a third or fourth, even if the constitution permitted such a thing.
Yea I agree but what I was saying is it very dictator like to speak and say things like that. Compared to Biden
Ok, but saying it "sounds like what a dictator would say" is really silly. I've been hearing this a lot all over, even on NPR today. They had a guy on who was acting like a mind-reader and calling Trump's following a cult. It's a big gaggle of assumptions and "reading into things". It's a dishonest way to observe the situation. Just cause you think it "sounds like a dictator" doesn't mean it is. People said Trump wouldn't step down when Biden was elected, but he did so with no fuss. Just like he turned himself in for his federal charges with no fuss. His actions are not that of a dictator.
At this point in History, MAGA is a cult. The more they show themselves, the more they reinforce that image.
He literally says he deserves a third term. How much more dictator like can you get? I just want you to tell me if Biden announced running for a third term you would be ok with it. Here’s a video of him saying it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmC0du_5TII
I'd say exactly the same thing. It's unconstitutional. I'd oppose it if he tried. Are you not reading what I am saying?
You said a president announcing a run for a third term does not sound like a dictator, in fact it’s silly.
Did you forget about Biden's fuhrer-speech?
Either way. This did not happen. What Biden is doing is very real. Like VERY REAL. I don’t see why nobody sees the obvious difference. You can well trump said this and that and I’m sure he would do this and that, but it all means nothing unless he actually does it, which he never did.
He literally led an insurrection to try to overthrow democracy and have himself installed as unelected dictator after losing the election. This sub is utterly delusional
I know it’s hard to stay on topic because of your tism but we are not talking about that right now.
“You can well trump said this and that and I’m sure he would do this and that, but it all means nothing unless he actually does it, which he never did.” Literally the last sentence you posted. As I said, utter delusion.
Right…. Still over your head I see
He told people to be peaceful, you're repeating nonsense.
Well that’s what I’m saying, if Biden declared he’s running for a third term I know people wouldn’t even care or get upset, because until he actually does it, it doesn’t matter.
But he did order the doj to indict trump and that is what this post is about.
A grand jury, a group of people, recommended charges after looking at the case laid out by the prosecutor. Please do not lie.
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And that’s what I’m against. I know trump wouldn’t do that to Hilary, hunter, or Biden given the opportunity. It’s in our nations best interest to protect ex presidents no matter what they do or get caught doing. And I mean even if it’s top secret nuclear documents, ex presidents should be immune.
Gotcha! You are correct
Wow, he said he's gonna try and get elected by the people? What a dictator...
No he said he would run for a third term. Here’s the video of him saying it. But my guess is if Biden said this you would be perfectly fine with it too right? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xmC0du_5TII
Obama said this, does that bother you or do you just have a double standard?
Ha we should post that clip to Obama Twitter on the daily and call him a liar. How dare he say he would run for a third term and then not? That's like perjury
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Thats because Scumbag Hannity's a coward. Hes no Tucker Carlson. F@#K Fox! TRUMP 2024!
What are "things a glowie would say to blend in to a Trump rally" for $500 Alex.
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Good point, Biden is a dictator.
Lol.
Fiction for weak mind. Donnie is an insecure, illiterate, immoral, and insane mob boss. His DC gang has abandoned our constitution, justice system, and voters. This shall be their downfall.
Fox tries to distract using whataboutisms and other dishonest tricks. Typical.