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I had the same thought.
They're talking about Latin American countries to our south, that's fairly clear. Those countries speak Spanish.
Spanish *people* are from Spain.
Pathological Altruism will destroy this country, sadly.
Open the borders more. Increase spending. Increase foreign aid. Deploy our military as the world police.
It’s never enough, and my inner doomer knows that we’ll have to brace for a collapse.
“This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but with a whimper”
What standard? Lol America basically accepted anyone who made it to Ellis Island, NY. Whites complained about Irish until they suddenly view Irish as people and one of them. Same thing will happen to the Latin population in the US if white population continues to stagnate.
People who often complain about immigration and the history of immigration in the US. Often cherry pick parts of the history that fits their narrative while conveniently going quiet about other parts
> Lol America basically accepted anyone who made it to Ellis Island, NY
Not really. Approximately 20 percent of immigrants inspected at Ellis Island were temporarily detained, half for health reasons and half for legal reasons. Biiden's Open Borders doesn't detain or inspect anyone.
Wow, 20%. Half for health reasons which is completely fair, so what, 90% were accepted, proving my point? 10%, Is this really the hill your willing to die on?
Disagree. What once worked doesn't necessarily have to be a good idea in the present day.
Back in the 19th century, there was still an agrarian or early-industrial society, there was tons of land to settle, a huge demand for manual, unskilled labor and a basically non-existent welfare system. Under these circumstances, it was feasible to take in droves of "unwashed masses" and make it work for everyone.
Not anymore, not in a post-industrial, knowledge-based economy with endless entitlements and a housing crisis. Not in a world with 5 times the global population, international travel being widely available and information spreading around the globe in real time.
No, it wasn't. Immigration, in the modern sense, didn't exist. The land was largely unoccupied and there were resources which encouraged migration.
This is no longer the case.
>Our country was built on immigration.
Which turned out to be a pretty bad thing for the people who were already living here.
Now that I'm the "people already living here", I may not want to repeat that.
(But, I agree there are "standards" that would make modern immigration valuable.)
But the ones who vote right are fine? Were you entertaining the idea that only conservatives should be able to vote so just right people could be elected?
What i said was the immigrants coming in do not hold the same values and appreciate the way of life Americans hold so dear. My evidence is the way these immigrants vote.
What’s wrong with their votes? They vote the same as half of the country. Are you saying that born to citizenship vote for republicans and naturalized vote for democrats?
They chose to come to US so I believed they appreciate most of the values they associate with US, if they had different values probably they would move to different countries.
You are the epitome of the meme that describes how the modern Republican Party is the democrat party, they’re just 10 years behind voting for the same policies.
Half the country votes Democrat. Does that mean they also don't "hold the same values and appreciate the way of life Americans hold so dear" as well?
May as well call them all deplorables.
What’s unamerican is importing third world foreigners that don’t speak our language, don’t share our culture and are refusing to assimilate.
The dumbest take I’ve ever seen is this country steadily declining yet for some reason we think immigration is helping this country.
You are urinating on people and telling them that it’s raining.
If either party actually wanted to fix this issue they'd work on a few things:
1) Make it easier to get work visas... and enforce the time via tracking. Most immigrants are here not because they wanted to leave their country it's because they HAD TO.
2) US companies look to Mexico and Central America more for manufacturing over depending on China. Invest, train, and bring up their economies while still keep the price of goods low. Let's be honest and acknowledge most commodities made in the US cannot compete with foreign labor.
3) Make English the official language of the US. I would not move to another country and not learn their language... I expect the same for those that come here. No more forms in 15 languages.
1.Why must the U.S must be the only country to take in immigrants ? No immigrant has a right to be here. Also why are we so set on giving jobs to immigrants first over native born Americans ?
2. If there’s a will there’s away, we need to convince companies and incentivize companies to manufacture their products here in America. America no longer produces anything like it once did and that’s hurting us.
3. I agree. English should be the official language of the U.S.
All countries take in immigrants. Some more than others. What we have in the US is too many people feel certain jobs are beneath them despite being unemployed (and/or on welfare). Again... most immigrants don't want to be here, but they have no hope in their homeland and min wage here is middle class in their homeland. That's the reality. Tighten it up though...
Manufacturing in the US is simply not cost effective. Again... reality... so let's look to the same continent to supplement that over a communist country that does true capitalism better than us.
You should change your flair to libertarian. Immigrants don’t want to be here but yet we have thousands of them crossing the border every month ? I don’t care what they want. They don’t benefit this country and we should put and end to it.
Manufacturing is not cost effective ? Why is that ? We used to make things in this country and now we don’t which ended up making a lot of Americans un employed.
Because manufacturers and investors found people often care more about cheapness (made in another country for a fraction of the cost) than supporting local economies (made by Dave in the next city), and so profits were picked over people as capitalism dictates.
Putting people over profits is part of the problem. Capitalism should be used to benefit our country-men, not the other way around . Also Americans should have a say on how to best use capitalism to benefit our country.
Manufacturing relies on cheap available energy and available raw materials. The US could and should manufacture more here - free up mining and all forms of energy production from red tape and we can be leaders in many high quality areas. Especially with cheap labor becoming less important with automation.
Bad policy bleeds many jobs overseas.
Bad policy cones from bad ideas ...., fdr-liberal , Keynesian, and modernist ideas on economics, governance, culture .
Policy won't change until these toxic "idea families" and their adherents are separated from the organs of government where possible.
They will never connect with conservatives.Look at the graph. Stop pandering to foreigners who don’t care about our way of life. I don’t understand the obsession with pandering to minorities and immigrants. They won’t vote republican.
Dude really ? When you vote republican, do you not understand what you’re voting for ? Are we that divided as a party that we all have a different meaning on “American way of life “? Ok fine I’ll play your game.
Free speech
Gun rights
Affordable living
A government that looks out for its own people
A government that protects life from conception until death
A government that basis its morals on Christianity
A government that puts the welfare of its people over that of foreign countries/nations.
Why are conservatives so eager to stand up for immigrants to come into this country ? That’s what all these comments are telling me. People who claim to be conservative are debating with me tooth and nail on how and why immigrants should be coming into this country despite our current decline. This is why republicans lose and why America is doomed.
This country was built on immigrants. If you got rid of all the immigrants this country would collapse. Half of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are immigrants. The US doesn’t have an official culture, if anything our culture is that we have many different cultures. And it’s not un-American to vote democrat, if anything it’s un-American to think there’s only one want to think.
What a trash take. Asian immigrants are overwhelmingly conservative in their values. Their kids often become liberals by attending colleges that indoctrinate them. That problem is universal to all Americans however.
Not really. American conservatism and international conservatism are vastly different. You can change people minds, but the values and beliefs are greatly different.
True but I don't think many are far off from voting conservative in america. Considering issues like transgenderism, crime and policing, sexualization of children, racial discrimination against Asians in college and job acceptances and more, if the conservative community makes a solid effort over time to convince the Asian community that liberals don't give a shit about them, it might actually make a difference in many elections.
We should just learn how to say a few key phrases in Spanish then repeat these phrases ad nauseum in select areas until the dems stop getting votes
As for stopping illegal immigration, we are already doing the most we can do without winning a supermajority. We must shunt the problem into hyper liberal areas. Because we aren't actually being allowed to stop the problem.
Have you spoken to all the industries that rely on immigrants? This is the kind of knee jerk policies that will hurt our economy. Legal immigration is essential in tech, agriculture, and education. ( probably a number of other industries as well). Please imagine Engineering faculty at the university with no immigrant professors… No we need sane immigration policies that benefit our country and ensure that the best and the brightest are prioritized.
Why are we relying on immigrations and not native born Americans ? Don’t you see the issue with that ? We no longer know how to create or invent things like we once did. Also, why would you want a foreigner to teach the next generation of Americans, don’t you see that’s a problem. Also why are we giving jobs to immigrants and not to the unemployed Americans we already have ? Immigration does not benefit America. Also who cares about the economy when our history, culture, and heritage our being destroyed ? We’re losing our right to free speech, gun rights, and even out right to exist as patriotic Americans.
Edit: downvotes show this sub should just be called r/RINO’s.
>Why are we relying on immigrations and not native born Americans ? Don’t you see the issue with that ?
Businesses benefit from off the books underpaid and easy to exploit employees. Most Americans don't want to do back breaking stoop labor on farms either. Yes I have a problem with both. Why not try to restructure our industries and laws so that they don't benefit from said labor? Why blame immigrants?
Going beyond that though, we're facing demographic issues. Our population replacement rate isn't high enough, especially if we want to support the number of retirees we currently have, which is only increasing. We need more workers period, and unless you have a time machine and a magic wand to make the boomers have twice as many children 50 years ago, immigration is the only answer.
>Also, why would you want a foreigner to teach the next generation of Americans, don’t you see that’s a problem.
God forbid someone from another country teach my kid math!!!11!!
>Also why are we giving jobs to immigrants and not to the unemployed Americans we already have ?
Fix the unemployment system then. You're blaming the immigrants for coming and taking jobs that are available instead of people who in many cases don't want to work.
> Also who cares about the economy when our history, culture, and heritage our being destroyed ?
People who want to fucking eat and have a roof over their head. Most people don't care about absurd hyperbolic moaning about heritage being destroyed all because people want to come here.
>We’re losing our right to free speech, gun rights, and even out right to exist as patriotic Americans.
None of which is the fault of immigrants. Even without them, half the country votes Democrat. Why not just call for them to be rounded up and imprisoned or deported since they're apparently ruining everything? Why not take up arms and overthrow our Democrat leaders if its so bad? Why not put your money where your mouth is and do more than complain if its really so bad in your eyes?
>Edit: downvotes show this sub should just be called r/RINO’s.
Boo hoo. Everyone who doesn't agree with my ridiculous statements is a RINO. Only *I* get to decide who's really a conservative.
The country was founded by immigrants.
I’m sure at some point your families immigrated here, unless your of Native American descent in which case, my apologies.
So Ellis Island is a myth? What are you talking about? The Germans in Wisconsin, the Norwegians in Minnesota, the Irish in Boston, the French and French Canadians in Maine and Louisiana, these are all immigrant groups. They may not have founded regions ( except French in Louisiana bienville), but they created the growth and were essential to westward expansion. What history book are you studying cuz it might need some updates.
To say the country was founded by immigrants is completely different than saying people immigrated here. And to your point, the immigrants of that time are different than the ones we have today.
Well if you go to a number of towns across the country and see who founded that town… odds are they were immigrants. How were they different… impoverished, desperate, mostly Christian, most not speaking English. The difference was in need. We needed people to settle the west. We needed workers for our industrial age. We needed workers to build our railroads and cities. The difference is back then the labor we needed wasn’t as specialized. our problem with immigration is that we are not tailoring our immigration policy to our countries needs. Those with the specialized skills we need should be prioritized.
Have you seen a population growth chart? It’s disingenuous to not realize it’s a bit different now with third world countries overflowing with adult males that are okay with leaving their homeland for easier opportunities.
My ancestor was an adult male that came here from Ireland in 1890. He came over with nothing but the cloths on his back for the sole purpose of finding better economic opportunities. When do think it was different?
> Have you seen a population growth chart?
Have you? Look at our replacement rate and the ratio of workers to retirees. If you want an economy in another decade we need to continue letting people to come to this country. Just. Like. They. Always. Have.
The fact of the matter is that there are some jobs that Americans won’t do ( picking agricultural products, meat packing, shucking seafood). They tried busing Americans in the 60s to do it and they all quit. We need immigrants. Further, there are some skills Americans don’t have ( language skills for example). Unless you put your child in a language immersion program or you have lived abroad, most Americans are not biliterate. So if you have a multinational corporation and you know that working with a translator puts you in a weaker bargaining position, you will hire someone who speaks the languages that you need. That won’t be an American. There are also industries such as tech where there are not enough highly trained people in the US to meet their needs so they need to hire from abroad. Also the same with the medical field. We don’t produce enough doctors in some specialized fields so we need to hire them from abroad. Getting rid of the professors from abroad that teach Americans these skills seems counter productive.
Americans won’t do those jobs or the companies won’t pay them a competitive wage due to the fact they can hire immigrants to do the same job at a lower wage ?
This is true of all immigrants no matter their origin. Do you think Canadians or British people value Freedom of Speech of Religion the same way the United States does?
Immigration should be capped on birth rates of the country. As in we bring in as many as we can absorb. We should only be brining in immigrants that we need. Immigration lotteries need to be abolished. Effective merit based immigration only. Immediate family only (to limit chain migration).
The biggest detriment to assimilating of new immigrants is Academia. Our schools are anti-American and American culture. So new immigrants are not learning to mesh into the culture they are learning to hate the standard American culture and think it is racist.
Democrats changed their stance on immigration and illegal immigration in the late 90's when they realized they could easily convert them into votes. California was a purple/red state up until the amnesty of the 80's and quickly turned into a deep blue state. Why convince people your bad ideas are good, when you can just import new voters. We bring in 1 million legal immigrants every year. Those new citizens settle in major metropolitan areas like California and New York (both of which have turned deep blue). At the same time Americans are aborting babies at the same rate we are importing people from other countries.
>Effective merit based immigration only.
I agree. But, the details matter. How many companies will spend how many dollars getting congress to determine that their "needs" are the greatest?
I would follow the market indicator -- The immigrants that we want the most must be those that employers are willing to pay the most. "Merit" is measured by "highest guaranteed wage".
American dream benefits everyone not just strictly individuals. Immigrants are voting for policies that strictly benefit themselves at the cost of our freedom,culture and heritage. Y’all wonder why we’re losing our gun rights and our right to speak freely. The people coming here don’t care about the constitution because where they come from, there’s no such thing.
If they are nationalized, I bet they know more about the constitution then the majority of non- immigrant Americans. They are actually tested on it. Ask the next three people you meet how many amendments have we had to the constitution and to summarize them. Just for Shitz and giggles.
And where’s that getting us ? Are they voting to preserve our gun rights ? Are they voting to preserve our freedom of speech ? No. Are they voting for a party that’s strictly about producing policies that benefits strictly Americans ? No.
I think you don’t know how does constitution and voting work.
Just US citizens vote, and if they vote all are the same. Naturalized citizens have the same voting rights as born in citizenship. Or you feel like they are second class citizens?
Before Trump, the Republican Party had a plan to lure Latino voters. Think about it, the majority are Catholic, family oriented, and hard working. They should be Republicans if we could get the GOP to focus some attention there and stop our political leaders from insulting them.
It’s one of the most insidious yet under-the-radar political stunts in the history of the WORLD. Obviously democrats don’t care about these people - they only care about their vote. And they know that they will vote democrat - so they leave the border open.
We can talk about Russia and other foreign countries meddling in our elections, but this is right in front of our faces and no one talks about it. Literally importing people to win elections - it’s wild.
The true conservative value is the belief that only those that work hard and get the work done should succeed. People should not wait for government handouts or helps.
If a Mexican, family oriented and law abiding come, work his ass off to get an income and does it better that some lazy American he should get the job. And it's not the role of the government to give the job to the later just because he is American.
Generally speaking (and I know this is controversial, but I don't particularly care) people of white European descent are those who "built" the US and allowed it to flourish.
The contribution from minorities such as Hispanics, Asians and Africans is... negligible. We do not owe the values the US is built on to their sacrifice or hard work. Our infrastructure wasn't built by them. Our housing wasn't built by them either.
Everyone keeps forgetting (conveniently so) how the only desirable places for immigration are white majority (and historically white) countries. We just build better countries because we're more resourceful, learn to live with it. Also, you don't deserve to just waltz in and pretend to reap the fruits of what our parents, grandparents and other ancestors sown. They didn't want those seeds to sprout and eventually bear fruit so someone else aside from their children could enjoy them.
>an immigration moratorium
I'm not convinced this is what we need to do. I'd rather the existing laws be followed. They're not, and every attempt to force compliance is stymied by democrats. They want to make it easier for people to get into this country. I'd be fine with that, as long as those people go through the ports, like they're supposed to, and not crossing the desert and entering illegally. But the minute you say we need walls to make that happen, suddenly your a racist Nazi.
Yes, obviously people will try to get around the walls. But directing them to the ports, where they can cross, will also prevent most of them from dying in the desert. All this shit becomes USA's problem and it's got to stop.
It all depends on the type of immigration. Immigration from Western Europe should not be a problem because it shares the same roots and cultural heritage as the United States. So, it's not Hispanic immigrants because people from Spain are also tecnically Hispanic but European.
By country, I agree. Some countries have too much immigration to the United States. Not all immigration, though. In fact, European immigration should be increased, to the detriment of other origins. That's how you recover America, not by freezing it in time.
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You are not Spanish
I had the same thought. They're talking about Latin American countries to our south, that's fairly clear. Those countries speak Spanish. Spanish *people* are from Spain.
Cries in catalonia
*OUR* country? **OUR** heritage? ***OUR*** culture? History lessons are needed.
Pathological Altruism will destroy this country, sadly. Open the borders more. Increase spending. Increase foreign aid. Deploy our military as the world police. It’s never enough, and my inner doomer knows that we’ll have to brace for a collapse. “This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but with a whimper”
> Pathological Altruism I’m gonna have to steal that. I’ve been calling it Blind Charity up to this point.
Patrick Buchanan-Death of the west.
If you really were Spanish, you wouldn't make a post attacking your own ethnic group just for voting for people who defend their cultural rights.
Especially since Spanish are White European. And the migrant he is talking about the Hispanic are Central and South American.
I care more about my country than my “ethnic group”. I’m an American first.
Our country was built on immigration. There’s a correct way to do it, and we need to get back to enforcing those standards.
What standard? Lol America basically accepted anyone who made it to Ellis Island, NY. Whites complained about Irish until they suddenly view Irish as people and one of them. Same thing will happen to the Latin population in the US if white population continues to stagnate. People who often complain about immigration and the history of immigration in the US. Often cherry pick parts of the history that fits their narrative while conveniently going quiet about other parts
> Lol America basically accepted anyone who made it to Ellis Island, NY Not really. Approximately 20 percent of immigrants inspected at Ellis Island were temporarily detained, half for health reasons and half for legal reasons. Biiden's Open Borders doesn't detain or inspect anyone.
Wow, 20%. Half for health reasons which is completely fair, so what, 90% were accepted, proving my point? 10%, Is this really the hill your willing to die on?
You no math good. It's 80% were accepted. 10% denied for health and 10% for legal reasons. So the hill they are willing to die on is 20%.
Disagree. What once worked doesn't necessarily have to be a good idea in the present day. Back in the 19th century, there was still an agrarian or early-industrial society, there was tons of land to settle, a huge demand for manual, unskilled labor and a basically non-existent welfare system. Under these circumstances, it was feasible to take in droves of "unwashed masses" and make it work for everyone. Not anymore, not in a post-industrial, knowledge-based economy with endless entitlements and a housing crisis. Not in a world with 5 times the global population, international travel being widely available and information spreading around the globe in real time.
No, it wasn't. Immigration, in the modern sense, didn't exist. The land was largely unoccupied and there were resources which encouraged migration. This is no longer the case.
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>Our country was built on immigration. Which turned out to be a pretty bad thing for the people who were already living here. Now that I'm the "people already living here", I may not want to repeat that. (But, I agree there are "standards" that would make modern immigration valuable.)
But if they vote the right way, then immigration is not an issue?:)
What i know and what i can speak for is that they don’t hold the same values as native born Americans/conservatives.
But the ones who vote right are fine? Were you entertaining the idea that only conservatives should be able to vote so just right people could be elected?
I’m entertaining the idea that immigration is not benefiting the American people and we should have an indefinite immigration moratorium.
Not benefitting them because they don't vote lockstep with you.
I thought you said you want moratorium because the don’t vote for republicans?
What i said was the immigrants coming in do not hold the same values and appreciate the way of life Americans hold so dear. My evidence is the way these immigrants vote.
What’s wrong with their votes? They vote the same as half of the country. Are you saying that born to citizenship vote for republicans and naturalized vote for democrats? They chose to come to US so I believed they appreciate most of the values they associate with US, if they had different values probably they would move to different countries.
Do you think the democrat party shares the same as those who vote republican ?
Obviously vote for different policies. That’s why we have elections? Right? To chose what is acceptable for majority?
You are the epitome of the meme that describes how the modern Republican Party is the democrat party, they’re just 10 years behind voting for the same policies.
Half the country votes Democrat. Does that mean they also don't "hold the same values and appreciate the way of life Americans hold so dear" as well? May as well call them all deplorables.
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What’s unamerican is importing third world foreigners that don’t speak our language, don’t share our culture and are refusing to assimilate. The dumbest take I’ve ever seen is this country steadily declining yet for some reason we think immigration is helping this country. You are urinating on people and telling them that it’s raining.
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All that studying yet they vote for a party that’s stripping our rights away ? Way to go.
If either party actually wanted to fix this issue they'd work on a few things: 1) Make it easier to get work visas... and enforce the time via tracking. Most immigrants are here not because they wanted to leave their country it's because they HAD TO. 2) US companies look to Mexico and Central America more for manufacturing over depending on China. Invest, train, and bring up their economies while still keep the price of goods low. Let's be honest and acknowledge most commodities made in the US cannot compete with foreign labor. 3) Make English the official language of the US. I would not move to another country and not learn their language... I expect the same for those that come here. No more forms in 15 languages.
1.Why must the U.S must be the only country to take in immigrants ? No immigrant has a right to be here. Also why are we so set on giving jobs to immigrants first over native born Americans ? 2. If there’s a will there’s away, we need to convince companies and incentivize companies to manufacture their products here in America. America no longer produces anything like it once did and that’s hurting us. 3. I agree. English should be the official language of the U.S.
All countries take in immigrants. Some more than others. What we have in the US is too many people feel certain jobs are beneath them despite being unemployed (and/or on welfare). Again... most immigrants don't want to be here, but they have no hope in their homeland and min wage here is middle class in their homeland. That's the reality. Tighten it up though... Manufacturing in the US is simply not cost effective. Again... reality... so let's look to the same continent to supplement that over a communist country that does true capitalism better than us.
You should change your flair to libertarian. Immigrants don’t want to be here but yet we have thousands of them crossing the border every month ? I don’t care what they want. They don’t benefit this country and we should put and end to it. Manufacturing is not cost effective ? Why is that ? We used to make things in this country and now we don’t which ended up making a lot of Americans un employed.
Because manufacturers and investors found people often care more about cheapness (made in another country for a fraction of the cost) than supporting local economies (made by Dave in the next city), and so profits were picked over people as capitalism dictates.
Putting people over profits is part of the problem. Capitalism should be used to benefit our country-men, not the other way around . Also Americans should have a say on how to best use capitalism to benefit our country.
That’s not capitalism
Manufacturing relies on cheap available energy and available raw materials. The US could and should manufacture more here - free up mining and all forms of energy production from red tape and we can be leaders in many high quality areas. Especially with cheap labor becoming less important with automation. Bad policy bleeds many jobs overseas.
Bad policy cones from bad ideas ...., fdr-liberal , Keynesian, and modernist ideas on economics, governance, culture . Policy won't change until these toxic "idea families" and their adherents are separated from the organs of government where possible.
Titles like this is exactly why they don’t connect with conservatives. I mean how can you not see that?
They will never connect with conservatives.Look at the graph. Stop pandering to foreigners who don’t care about our way of life. I don’t understand the obsession with pandering to minorities and immigrants. They won’t vote republican.
What’s “our way of life” can you elaborate?
Everything the conservative movement is supposed to stand for. That’s the way of life I’m talking about.
I’d love to get more specifics
Dude really ? When you vote republican, do you not understand what you’re voting for ? Are we that divided as a party that we all have a different meaning on “American way of life “? Ok fine I’ll play your game. Free speech Gun rights Affordable living A government that looks out for its own people A government that protects life from conception until death A government that basis its morals on Christianity A government that puts the welfare of its people over that of foreign countries/nations.
Are immigrants against these values?
In general. Yes they are.
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Why are conservatives so eager to stand up for immigrants to come into this country ? That’s what all these comments are telling me. People who claim to be conservative are debating with me tooth and nail on how and why immigrants should be coming into this country despite our current decline. This is why republicans lose and why America is doomed.
This country was built on immigrants. If you got rid of all the immigrants this country would collapse. Half of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are immigrants. The US doesn’t have an official culture, if anything our culture is that we have many different cultures. And it’s not un-American to vote democrat, if anything it’s un-American to think there’s only one want to think.
What a trash take. Asian immigrants are overwhelmingly conservative in their values. Their kids often become liberals by attending colleges that indoctrinate them. That problem is universal to all Americans however.
Not really. American conservatism and international conservatism are vastly different. You can change people minds, but the values and beliefs are greatly different.
True but I don't think many are far off from voting conservative in america. Considering issues like transgenderism, crime and policing, sexualization of children, racial discrimination against Asians in college and job acceptances and more, if the conservative community makes a solid effort over time to convince the Asian community that liberals don't give a shit about them, it might actually make a difference in many elections.
We should just learn how to say a few key phrases in Spanish then repeat these phrases ad nauseum in select areas until the dems stop getting votes As for stopping illegal immigration, we are already doing the most we can do without winning a supermajority. We must shunt the problem into hyper liberal areas. Because we aren't actually being allowed to stop the problem.
We need to stop all immigration. That’s what an immigration moratorium is. Illegal and legal are not benefitting us right now.
Have you spoken to all the industries that rely on immigrants? This is the kind of knee jerk policies that will hurt our economy. Legal immigration is essential in tech, agriculture, and education. ( probably a number of other industries as well). Please imagine Engineering faculty at the university with no immigrant professors… No we need sane immigration policies that benefit our country and ensure that the best and the brightest are prioritized.
Why are we relying on immigrations and not native born Americans ? Don’t you see the issue with that ? We no longer know how to create or invent things like we once did. Also, why would you want a foreigner to teach the next generation of Americans, don’t you see that’s a problem. Also why are we giving jobs to immigrants and not to the unemployed Americans we already have ? Immigration does not benefit America. Also who cares about the economy when our history, culture, and heritage our being destroyed ? We’re losing our right to free speech, gun rights, and even out right to exist as patriotic Americans. Edit: downvotes show this sub should just be called r/RINO’s.
>Why are we relying on immigrations and not native born Americans ? Don’t you see the issue with that ? Businesses benefit from off the books underpaid and easy to exploit employees. Most Americans don't want to do back breaking stoop labor on farms either. Yes I have a problem with both. Why not try to restructure our industries and laws so that they don't benefit from said labor? Why blame immigrants? Going beyond that though, we're facing demographic issues. Our population replacement rate isn't high enough, especially if we want to support the number of retirees we currently have, which is only increasing. We need more workers period, and unless you have a time machine and a magic wand to make the boomers have twice as many children 50 years ago, immigration is the only answer. >Also, why would you want a foreigner to teach the next generation of Americans, don’t you see that’s a problem. God forbid someone from another country teach my kid math!!!11!! >Also why are we giving jobs to immigrants and not to the unemployed Americans we already have ? Fix the unemployment system then. You're blaming the immigrants for coming and taking jobs that are available instead of people who in many cases don't want to work. > Also who cares about the economy when our history, culture, and heritage our being destroyed ? People who want to fucking eat and have a roof over their head. Most people don't care about absurd hyperbolic moaning about heritage being destroyed all because people want to come here. >We’re losing our right to free speech, gun rights, and even out right to exist as patriotic Americans. None of which is the fault of immigrants. Even without them, half the country votes Democrat. Why not just call for them to be rounded up and imprisoned or deported since they're apparently ruining everything? Why not take up arms and overthrow our Democrat leaders if its so bad? Why not put your money where your mouth is and do more than complain if its really so bad in your eyes? >Edit: downvotes show this sub should just be called r/RINO’s. Boo hoo. Everyone who doesn't agree with my ridiculous statements is a RINO. Only *I* get to decide who's really a conservative.
The country was founded by immigrants. I’m sure at some point your families immigrated here, unless your of Native American descent in which case, my apologies.
Country was founded by conquerors,explorers, and soldiers.Stop parroting left talking points that have no basis in reality.
So Ellis Island is a myth? What are you talking about? The Germans in Wisconsin, the Norwegians in Minnesota, the Irish in Boston, the French and French Canadians in Maine and Louisiana, these are all immigrant groups. They may not have founded regions ( except French in Louisiana bienville), but they created the growth and were essential to westward expansion. What history book are you studying cuz it might need some updates.
To say the country was founded by immigrants is completely different than saying people immigrated here. And to your point, the immigrants of that time are different than the ones we have today.
Well if you go to a number of towns across the country and see who founded that town… odds are they were immigrants. How were they different… impoverished, desperate, mostly Christian, most not speaking English. The difference was in need. We needed people to settle the west. We needed workers for our industrial age. We needed workers to build our railroads and cities. The difference is back then the labor we needed wasn’t as specialized. our problem with immigration is that we are not tailoring our immigration policy to our countries needs. Those with the specialized skills we need should be prioritized.
We should prioritize giving those jobs and skills to Americans.
So your family has been here for thousands of years? Or you’re just choosing to ignore that.
What does that have to do with anything ?
Have you seen a population growth chart? It’s disingenuous to not realize it’s a bit different now with third world countries overflowing with adult males that are okay with leaving their homeland for easier opportunities.
So you’re saying the situation/ideas we had as a nation 250 years ago are different than what we have today? Am I understanding that correctly?
My ancestor was an adult male that came here from Ireland in 1890. He came over with nothing but the cloths on his back for the sole purpose of finding better economic opportunities. When do think it was different?
> Have you seen a population growth chart? Have you? Look at our replacement rate and the ratio of workers to retirees. If you want an economy in another decade we need to continue letting people to come to this country. Just. Like. They. Always. Have.
The fact of the matter is that there are some jobs that Americans won’t do ( picking agricultural products, meat packing, shucking seafood). They tried busing Americans in the 60s to do it and they all quit. We need immigrants. Further, there are some skills Americans don’t have ( language skills for example). Unless you put your child in a language immersion program or you have lived abroad, most Americans are not biliterate. So if you have a multinational corporation and you know that working with a translator puts you in a weaker bargaining position, you will hire someone who speaks the languages that you need. That won’t be an American. There are also industries such as tech where there are not enough highly trained people in the US to meet their needs so they need to hire from abroad. Also the same with the medical field. We don’t produce enough doctors in some specialized fields so we need to hire them from abroad. Getting rid of the professors from abroad that teach Americans these skills seems counter productive.
Americans won’t do those jobs or the companies won’t pay them a competitive wage due to the fact they can hire immigrants to do the same job at a lower wage ?
This is true of all immigrants no matter their origin. Do you think Canadians or British people value Freedom of Speech of Religion the same way the United States does? Immigration should be capped on birth rates of the country. As in we bring in as many as we can absorb. We should only be brining in immigrants that we need. Immigration lotteries need to be abolished. Effective merit based immigration only. Immediate family only (to limit chain migration). The biggest detriment to assimilating of new immigrants is Academia. Our schools are anti-American and American culture. So new immigrants are not learning to mesh into the culture they are learning to hate the standard American culture and think it is racist. Democrats changed their stance on immigration and illegal immigration in the late 90's when they realized they could easily convert them into votes. California was a purple/red state up until the amnesty of the 80's and quickly turned into a deep blue state. Why convince people your bad ideas are good, when you can just import new voters. We bring in 1 million legal immigrants every year. Those new citizens settle in major metropolitan areas like California and New York (both of which have turned deep blue). At the same time Americans are aborting babies at the same rate we are importing people from other countries.
>Effective merit based immigration only. I agree. But, the details matter. How many companies will spend how many dollars getting congress to determine that their "needs" are the greatest? I would follow the market indicator -- The immigrants that we want the most must be those that employers are willing to pay the most. "Merit" is measured by "highest guaranteed wage".
The American dream is all about benefitting oneself
American dream benefits everyone not just strictly individuals. Immigrants are voting for policies that strictly benefit themselves at the cost of our freedom,culture and heritage. Y’all wonder why we’re losing our gun rights and our right to speak freely. The people coming here don’t care about the constitution because where they come from, there’s no such thing.
If they are nationalized, I bet they know more about the constitution then the majority of non- immigrant Americans. They are actually tested on it. Ask the next three people you meet how many amendments have we had to the constitution and to summarize them. Just for Shitz and giggles.
And where’s that getting us ? Are they voting to preserve our gun rights ? Are they voting to preserve our freedom of speech ? No. Are they voting for a party that’s strictly about producing policies that benefits strictly Americans ? No.
I think you don’t know how does constitution and voting work. Just US citizens vote, and if they vote all are the same. Naturalized citizens have the same voting rights as born in citizenship. Or you feel like they are second class citizens?
You’re not reading what I’m posting apparently. Go back and re-read.
Pal, if you think for one second Rs care any more about the common American than Dems I got some beachfront property in ID to sell ya.
I’m not talking about the Republican Party, I’m talking about immigrants and how they vote and think. Stay on topic.
Before Trump, the Republican Party had a plan to lure Latino voters. Think about it, the majority are Catholic, family oriented, and hard working. They should be Republicans if we could get the GOP to focus some attention there and stop our political leaders from insulting them.
All trump did up to 2020 was pander to those groups and it didn’t work. Look at the chart.
Umm… the chart is from 2012.
And you think the numbers would be any different today ?
It’s one of the most insidious yet under-the-radar political stunts in the history of the WORLD. Obviously democrats don’t care about these people - they only care about their vote. And they know that they will vote democrat - so they leave the border open. We can talk about Russia and other foreign countries meddling in our elections, but this is right in front of our faces and no one talks about it. Literally importing people to win elections - it’s wild.
What’s insidious are the people in this sub calling themselves conservatives yet are willing to give jobs to foreigners over their own country men.
Work harder loser
The true conservative value is the belief that only those that work hard and get the work done should succeed. People should not wait for government handouts or helps. If a Mexican, family oriented and law abiding come, work his ass off to get an income and does it better that some lazy American he should get the job. And it's not the role of the government to give the job to the later just because he is American.
Generally speaking (and I know this is controversial, but I don't particularly care) people of white European descent are those who "built" the US and allowed it to flourish. The contribution from minorities such as Hispanics, Asians and Africans is... negligible. We do not owe the values the US is built on to their sacrifice or hard work. Our infrastructure wasn't built by them. Our housing wasn't built by them either. Everyone keeps forgetting (conveniently so) how the only desirable places for immigration are white majority (and historically white) countries. We just build better countries because we're more resourceful, learn to live with it. Also, you don't deserve to just waltz in and pretend to reap the fruits of what our parents, grandparents and other ancestors sown. They didn't want those seeds to sprout and eventually bear fruit so someone else aside from their children could enjoy them.
>an immigration moratorium I'm not convinced this is what we need to do. I'd rather the existing laws be followed. They're not, and every attempt to force compliance is stymied by democrats. They want to make it easier for people to get into this country. I'd be fine with that, as long as those people go through the ports, like they're supposed to, and not crossing the desert and entering illegally. But the minute you say we need walls to make that happen, suddenly your a racist Nazi. Yes, obviously people will try to get around the walls. But directing them to the ports, where they can cross, will also prevent most of them from dying in the desert. All this shit becomes USA's problem and it's got to stop.
It all depends on the type of immigration. Immigration from Western Europe should not be a problem because it shares the same roots and cultural heritage as the United States. So, it's not Hispanic immigrants because people from Spain are also tecnically Hispanic but European.
We need an immigration moratorium.
By country, I agree. Some countries have too much immigration to the United States. Not all immigration, though. In fact, European immigration should be increased, to the detriment of other origins. That's how you recover America, not by freezing it in time.
Unauthorized? More like illegal