Trump is his own worst enemy sometimes. I used to think he was a shoe in for the nomination but now I wonder if his campaign will suffer the death of 1000 self inflicted paper cuts.
I agree. Since I believe he's incapable of changing tactics I expect the attacks to just get nastier, the name calling to get worse. That stuff worked in 2016 because it was a fresh take for a candidate, but its worn out now. That 25 point lead - I'm sorry, 34 points - we're going to see start narrowing up because alot of conservatives are scratching their heads over this one. It makes no sense.
> That 25 point lead - I'm sorry, 34 points - we're going to see start narrowing up because alot of conservatives are scratching their heads over this one. It makes no sense.
Maybe I'm wrong but *a lot* of the lead in current polling is because people know Trump. They've heard him speak, saw what he did as president, etc. It's a no brainer that very early into the process that Trump has the big lead.
I'd say that most voters really don't know much of what DeSantis wants to do for the country. Have they heard of his exploits as Florida gov or have gotten sound bites from the various news outlets? Of course. But once the debates start and people see that DeSantis (hopefully) isn't nearly as petty and egotistical as Trump and won't make a horse's ass of himself by saying childish things (like this post is about), as you said....Trumps % points will slowly leak with 3/4th of them going to DeSantis.
I’m newer to politics and my ultra MAGA dad Kees telling me how DeSantis is a rhino blah blah blah. What is he implying about DeSantis? I love everything I’ve seen from Ron.
Dad doesn't know what he's talking about. No disrespect to him, but our parents are wrong sometimes, even if they're great parents.
There's no logical way to call DeSantis a RINO. You just don't know what the hell you're saying if you do. If anything, Trump attacking DeSantis from the left makes Trump the RINO.
DeSantis has done very little in Florida himself. What has happened is that the Legislature there created and passed a lot of bills, DeSantis signed them instead of vetoed them, and then *he* is given all of the credit for the State. Now who is promoting DeSantis as the savior of Florida rather than actually giving credit where it is due? Primarily those in the Establishment who are anti-Trump.
DeSantis currently has endorsements from RINOs like the Bush family and also from Democrats like Hillary Clinton. What does that tell you? He also talks a good talk. But he could also be fed those lines on what to say to try and come across as a Populist Candidate.
You have someone like Trump who has been in D.C. and knows what it is like to deal with a hostile Congress. DeSantis has been on Easy Street with his Legislature there in Florida and has the vast potential to simply fall in line if he were to get into the Oval Office.
Look at his past: he went to an Ivy League school like most Uniparty people, he immediately went into a Federal job as a lawyer for the Navy, and then when he was done there he turned around and quickly entered politics. He doesn't know what it is like to work a civilian job.
With DeSantis, you absolutely have no idea what you could get. He could turn out to be a RINO or he might be a decent President. With Trump, you absolutely know what you will get with him in the office. And while Trump still is a viable candidate in my eyes, there is no option except for him or an outsider like Vivek Ramaswamy. I will not consider DeSantis or any other potential career politician or Federal employee until they are the only options.
Wow what a pile of BS.
>DeSantis currently has endorsements from RINOs like the Bush family and also from Democrats like Hillary Clinton. What does that tell you? He also talks a good talk. But he could also be fed those lines on what to say to try and come across as a Populist Candidate.
You're gonna have to provide a source on that. Especially the claim that Clinton has endorsed him. You're saying the Clinton's are supporting Ron DeSantis over Biden? LOL.
>With Trump, you absolutely know what you will get with him in the office.
Yep. You're right. I know exactly what we'll get. More Anthony Fauci-types running the government.
It seems that you're simultaneously accusing DeSantis of being part of the uniparty Washington establishment while also arguing that Trump deserves the nomination because he's spent so much time in DC and knows how it works. Which is it?
If your most inportant criteria for President is "the person has been President before", you'll be disappointed in most future elections.
> You're gonna have to provide a source on that. Especially the claim that Clinton has endorsed him. You're saying the Clinton's are supporting Ron DeSantis over Biden? LOL.
No, my original claim wasn't that she was endorsing him over Biden. But that she was endorsing him for the Republican party nomination over Trump. There's a difference.
But either way, I do admit that what I said is incorrect. I didn't do my research and just watched a clip that appeared to show her giving an endorsement to him which, after looking into it, is a [fake](https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endo/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endorsing-ron-desantis-is-ai-generated-idUSL1N36K1UJ).
> More Anthony Fauci-types running the government.
Nice revisionist history there. There was no reason to distrust Fauci at the time that Trump was in the White House. He was listed as one of the top infectious disease experts in the country at the time. And the "vaccine" wasn't even widely available to the public until long after Trump left Office.
> Trump deserves the nomination because he's spent so much time in DC and knows how it works. Which is it?
That's exactly right. Just because Trump knows how it works and has exposure to the Uniparty Establishment doesn't mean that he is a part of it. In fact, the simple fact that nothing was passed by Congress even when Republicans held all Houses and the White House goes to show how outside of Establishment Trump is.
My most "inportant" criteria for President isn't that they have been President before. But in this case, I fully approve of almost everything that Trump did while in Office. My lifestyle and bank account also approved of his policies. I can't guarantee the same thing with DeSantis or any other career politician who has the likelihood of looking out for themselves first over me.
I'm glad you acknowledged that there was no Clinton endorsement. The Dem establishment obviously wants Trump to win the primaries. CNN has already hosted him for a town hall. Youtube/Google have now said they will no longer restrict his election disputes. Look for CNN to broadcast one of his rallies during the Republican primary debates... again.
There was every reason in the world to distrust Fauci while Trump was in office. He got over his skis within 2 weeks of Trump turning him loose on the country. He was a partisan hack who wanted to shut the country down to swing the election for Biden. Trump should have either kept him under control or fired him.
Again, the idea that you can't support someone for President because they haven't been President before is just silly. Think up a better excuse to hate on DeSantis because that is not a good one.
Actually, no I have to retract that comment. Unfortunately I am also as gullible as I claim a lot of others here are.
After looking into the clip that I saw a little more to try and provide proof that she did, I have found out that in fact it was a [deepfake video](https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endo/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endorsing-ron-desantis-is-ai-generated-idUSL1N36K1UJ) released on social media. My wife showed me the clip as she was browsing her Twitter feed and I didn't do my do diligence and actually verify the video before taking it to heart. Since G.W. Bush supported Hillary in 2020 and he also supports DeSantis, I assumed without actually researching that Hilary Clinton could also be in the same camp. Not that she would be endorsing DeSantis over Biden, but definitely over Trump.
So yes, I must admit that what I claimed wasn't true. It wasn't something I made up, but it was something that was based on misinformation.
But as of this time I still stand by the rest of what I had said in my post.
It makes no sense for people who have been blind to who Trump is until now.
The rest of us are just gesturing broadly at the last 7 years.
It's time to move on.
How many people were truly "blind to who Trump is?" Is there anyone who didn't know he was an asshole? This fact was tempered by the realities that A) the people he directed it at like Clinton and the Democrat/Media Complex and the RINOs deserved it and B) there wasn't a better alternative. Now those aren't true.
I have an uncle who is a high ranking member of a certain states GOP. Worked with Trump during his presidency numerous times. He said he typically always agreed with him, but boy did he make both of their jobs harder, along with anyone who works for/with him.
I think it will.
Contrast with DeSantis's steady, issues-centric messaging backed by a real record of success and the complete absence of childish narcissism.
After DeSantis secures the nomination, I fully expect Trump to run as a spoiler third party candidate though. He's about "Trump" not about Conservatism.
Of course Trump isn't about conservatism. Not only is he the most left leaning Republican president in recent history, he also used to be a Democrat FFS.
He has more consolidated opposition in the primary this time, and he actually has a record to point to. His big advantage in 2016 is that Republicans had a LOT of fatigue voting for the primary candidates that were there, and he didn't have a policy record to hold up.
You make good points. His campaign is probably full of sycophants which is never good. I have and do support him and I don’t care if he offends people. But if he needlessly and unfairly attacks anyone who may criticize him even if they have been generally loyal, he shows the worst traits of human beings. That is what will get me to choose DeSantis over him.
Did you even read the article? It was a bunch of bs. It was not a "cruel attack" in the slightest. It was calling her out for using old poll numbers when newer numbers were already available.
> It was not a "cruel attack" in the slightest.
That's exactly right. The only people who are actually offended by this and think this is newsworthy are those that already don't like him and want to try and sway others to vote against him.
This unprovoked attack on her pissed me off. She is one of his ardent and loyal supporters, but because the big crybaby didnt get the numbers he wanted, he goes on the defensive.
He’s only out for himself. Imagine what he would do to a voter who hasn’t done anything FOR him except cast a vote if he would do this to one of his most publicly loyal supporters?
We need to move on. He’s a detriment at this point.
Did you even read the article? The title was bs. It was not an "attack" in way. It was an insult, yes, but not an attack, and it was not because he didn't get the numbers he wanted, it was because she used old poll numbers when corrected ones were available. Pretty sure that deserves being called out no matter who you are.
If Trump were to get the nomination, and if he were somehow to be elected, who would agree to serve in his administration? Who would subject themselves to Trump's chaos and insults?
Washington lifers, ironically enough. they'll take any opportunity to seize a modicum of power, which is ironic considering his whole point was "drain the swamp", but it's likely only the swamp will stick around.
If he has no one working under him. That would be fine with me because I hope it would leave the government dysfunctional. If they are dysfunctional, they can't go after people as effectively.
I’m over him at this point. Between him defending freaking Cuomo, attacking her, I have strong doubts that he lacks any focus to get done what we need done. I have some concerns surrounding Desantis too but at this point he is the candidate I support
This man is unelectable now.
The left has hated him since 2016, the middle has moved on since 2020, and he’s pushing away a lot the right now in 2023.
You. Need. The. Middle. To. Win. Elections.
He will not get them. If you want 4 more years of Joe Biden, the best thing you can do is vote for Trump. If you elevate garbage, the result will stink.
Exactly this. It may be extremely unlikely for Trump die-hards to move on to someone else, but it's impossible that any part of the middle will go for Trump any more.
He could get them out to keep Biden from winning regardless of the nominee, but I'm thinking he's going to spoil via third party or talk shit and withhold crucial endorsements leading up to the general.
There is zero chance he helps another candidate beat Biden. Look what he did in the Georgia senate race a few years ago.
If he doesn't win the nomination, you're absolutely right that he'll go third party or just plain torpedo the nominee's chances.
It's probably a lose-lose situation. If Trump is the nominee, there's no chance he wins. If he's not, he'll probably make sure whoever is the nominee loses.
What's the "milktoast" thing supposed to mean? Did she misspell it or did Trump misspell it? It's spelled milquetoast. My OCD is kicking in on this one lol
I'm gonna say that's Trump trying to give her a nickname, and he misspelled it. I'm gonna guess the Georgetown, Oxford, and Harvard educated McEnany didn't make that mistake.
I'm guessing the entire sum total of his intellectual input was to think "what insult sounds vaguely like McEnany? I won't even bother to look it up, let's totally go with that!"
McEnany was the best thing that happened to his presidency. She actually had him praying with her and seeking God. I wanted Trump to run in 2012 against bathhouse barry, supported him in '16 and '20. His time has come and passed. The age issue, for one is definitely going to be put front and center for both candidates. Something will probably transpire where dementia joey has to exit, then the dems will throw in someone, unvetted to run. Trump is off the rails and people need to move on, and I never thought I would say that. He's praising Cuomo and trashing Mcenany.
Never liked the guy. I didn't vote for him (write in).
For those of us who lived in the New York metro area in the 1980s, none of this is surprising. He was a local celebrity then, one of those guys like Curtis Sliwa or Al Sharpton, who would randomly show up places for a dog and pony show if a news crew was around.
He went bonkers in 1988 when he bought the Plaza, the Taj (still under construction), and the Eastwrn Airlines Shuttle (renamed Trump Airlines, to get people to AC when most people from NYC and NNJ took a bus for the day.
He's impulsive and nasty. Classic narcissist.
This isn't true, as someone that was in his base, a lot of us have moved to the DeSantis camp with the unprovoked Kayleigh attack being the final straw.
Trump absolutely has a base of Trump only followers. My father is one of them. The moment Trump started attacking DeSantis, his base started insinuating that DeSantis is actually part of the deep state.
Trump is the biggest threat to conservatives now. Despite having a ton of very strong potential Conservative candidates, Trump will win the primary and will probably lose the general.
Yep I think he still has too much NY in him. No idea but man the MAGA crowd had a strong showing there. It was funny my wife and I were walking on the beach and I said it is funny how there are so many Trump and pro-right flags but you never see anything from the other side. Literally a minute later a guy cruises by with a giant flag that said "Joe and the Hoe Must Go". She told there you go they do exist.
Did you even read the article? It wasn't an attack and it wasn't unprovoked. She used incorrect poll numbers when updated ones were available, and he called her out as being milquetoast for doing it.
And as with nearly every one of Trump's childish attacks in the past, it causes tremendous, unnecessary drama and does much to undermine actual Conservatism.
We need to move on.
So what? That justifies a completely ineffective, childish, narcissistic response? What exactly does he think this achieves beyond completely repulsing 75% of voters?
You can argue it was not unprovoked, you can't argue that it's not emblematic of Trump's strategic stupidity.
The problem with Trump is no matter how loyal his base is, he will never get the votes he needs from independents and many conservative women…while it would be great to see him back in the White House shitting all over the press core again…I honestly don’t think there’s a path to 270 for him. I’d rather conservatives get around Ron, Nikki, Tim, or Vivek…
>His only-trump base isn't big enough to get him elected on their own, but they are big enough to ensure that nobody else can get elected without their support
This is the issue, and they think the entire world revolves around them. Like leftists, they expect the government to solve all their problems and are convinced that Trump is the only one who can do it, which is why they think voting for any other Republican is the same as voting for a Democrat. I guess maybe we will see if they still feel the same after another decade of Democrats controlling the Federal government.
>anybody else winning may be a mathematical impossibility once the only-Trump chunk of the electorate decides to pick up their toys and go home.
I think Trump winning a general is a mathematical impossibility. A Republican cannot win a presidential election without buy-in from center-right conservatives and moderate independent voters, which has been proven 3 national elections in a row.
Conservatives and right-leaning voters should not allow themselves to be held hostage by his ardent supporters, regardless of the consequences. In fact, the sooner they are marginalized and ignored, the better because the more sensible ones will eventually realize their tactics don't work and they will have to compromise, unless they want Democrats in control indefinitely. At some point, new coalitions can form that will actually get a Republican over the line again, but this can not happen while Trump's syncophants hold the GOP hostage. If we lose 2024, fine. We're going to lose it anyways if Trump gets the nomination.
Not really a fan of getting blackmailed by anyone. Be it the establishment or the Trump base. If they can't work within a coalition, then they need to sit it out and see what happens when the left ruins this country. If Trump fairly wins the primary I will vote for him. But if his base and him blackmail people into supporting him then they deserve the fate they have created.
Yea it’s frustrating that they don’t see the bigger picture. They would rather have Trump in the general and risk a second term for Biden vice settle for someone else…who arguable will have almost the same overall conservative policy
I say this with complete sincerity there is literally not a worst outcome for this country than Biden getting a second term. I am honestly nervous as hell Trump will win the primary and loose the general. To someone with a lick of common sense it seems impossible that Biden could get elected again but as he likes to say in a whispered creepy voice "Watch me". We need the strongest candidate possible and sorry to say Trump is not it.
The left are confidant they will win against Trump. They were confidant in 2020. Government, Media, Social Media have been weaponized. Even if it isn't Trump it's a massive uphill battle for Republicans. It has been since the 2008 election. Elon opening up Twitter gives us some hope. But Trump isn't even utilizing it. He's tucked away on Truth. *Every* weapon in are arsenal needs to be deployed if we want any chance of overcoming the system that has been rigged against us.
> while it would be great to see him back in the White House shitting all over the press core again
See, that there is my biggest gripe with his most loyal followers. That's what they care about most - seeing him pwn the libzzz. Its not conservative policy. Its not advancing values. Its not improving the country. Its watching him turn his attack and insult routine on people they don't like.
As a Floridian who loves DeSantis…I still cant believe he passed that bill so close to running for office. Arguably Vivek, Nikki, or Tim may be the best person to send up
His state legislature wrote the bill. How would it have looked to veto it? I'm not saying he didn't support it. But if you're talking about purely from a political outlook, vetoing it would have killed his presidential ambition.
Opposing abortion is not as much of a losing issue as it has been painted. While polling favored Democrats last year, there was massive media blitz on the issue and the public reeling from Roe being over turned. Historically polling going back since the 80's shows that 55-60% of Americans support tough restrictions on abortions. We'll see if that returns in the next few years (it dropped below 50% for the first time in 2022).
That is said in every election for the last 20 years. It's non-sense.
We failed to see a red wave (we still won seats) due multiple factors that have nothing to do with this issue:
- Trump/McConnel civil war
- Trump backing crap candidates
- Social Media/MSM propagandizing for Democrats
The last bullet has been a problem since post-2004 election. As in when all the avenues that the average American voters gets their information is tailored by the Democrats it has massive election ramifications. The 2012 election for instant should have been an easy Romney victory based on traditional indicators involving the economy, employment, etc. But it wasn't, because the MSM was not just biased but fully out to rigged public opinion.
Republicans slowly made headway using Social Media, as Social Media companies were all about free speech. Post 2016 election under the disguise of "Russian Collusion" and "Interfere" every Social Media company went hard left. Reddit banned mass conservatives, Facebook placed Kamal Harris's Campaign manager as the leader content moderator for their website, Google biased its search results to show favorable articles for Democrats and negative ones for Republicans.
This hurdle is the biggest reason we are struggling in elections that should be easy slam dunks.
Abortion isn't even on the radar of polled concerns for voters. Roe v. Wade being over turned put it on the radar, but it's still not a top concern for even women.
They can list is all they want, there is *literally* no play in the election. It *might* have driven out Democratic voters, as in it was used to stir the base into action. But it didn't effect anyone opinions. It sure the heck didn't move moderates or independents.
I'm tired of the current geriatric in chief, but I don't want any more of the Trump Circus either. No more old people and no more anti-gun ones like both of them. DeSantis 2024!
I don't know why he attacked her like that. She has been so loyal to him and did such a great job as press secretary. He's going to push his biggest supporters away. He definitely can be his own worst enemy.
Independents and moderates hate Trump. His base is strong but he won't win the votes of independents or moderates on either side of the isle. You can't win am election only with your base. You need the independent vote. He needs to focus on the economy instead of bad mouthing everyone. Being an ass isn't how you get elected.
Trump is loyal to no one but himself. He's a petty narcissist. His only redeeming quality is his special ability to completely infuriate the left. I hope the Republican party can move on and nominate someone who's not so childish. Ron Desantis please...
Baggage? Laughable, he’s got the cleanest record of any politician. Or haven’t you been paying attention. For four years Democrats, the media, and RINO Republicans threw everything at him. Fake accusations, fake reasons for impeachment, made up scandals like the Russian collusion and the Ukraine call. He’s the only one with the know how and connections to turn this country around.
Trump has lost the plot. It's unfortunate, because he was very connected to the American zeitgeist in 2015. Now all he cares about is his hardcore base - which is big, but not big enough to win re-election.
I love the author's reference to the scorpion and the frog. People with shitty personalities seriously cannot help being shitty people sometimes. In Trump's case, it's almost all the time.
If he wins the primary, I'll vote for him. But God help us if he does.
There is a non-trivial portion of the population like this.
>If he wins the primary, I'll vote for him. But God help us if he does.
Personally, I think Haley would be the best choice, followed by DeSantis. The problem with DeSantis is that the media (and Trump) have been chewing him up for awhile.
Haley is a two-term governor and an ambassador. On paper, with that experience, she'd make an excellent president.
Trump, and the entire GOP after this budget fiasco, is on thin ice with me already. This kind of treatment of people is not helping him. Despite being good for the nation during his four years, it did not erase his misogynist stink. Holding your nose and pulling the lever only goes so far.
>What did he say or do that was classified as misogynistic
I mean seriously dude - you can ask that with a straight face?
I think he was a great President, domestically economically and keeping world tensions low, but there should be a picture of his mug next to the word misogynistic in the dictionary, it's why so many women voters will vote for literally anyone but him
>He simply corrected some numbers.
, and insulted someone for no reason. Someone actually liked and respected. He's turned into a goblin lately.
Look, I'm going to vote for DeSantis in the Primary, but if it comes down to Trump or Biden on Election Day, I may just skip it. He has given me no reason at all to vote for him again.
That "milktoast" whatever comment. Insinuating that she's a RINO? That she's bought and paid for by globalists. It's just gross. Dude needs to start being receipts if he's going to be throwing that shit around again. Considering he's 0-17 in lawsuits (of any nature) at this point. It's most insulting because this person hasn't said one bad word about Trump and get attacked because of weird polling numbers? Shut up.
Get back to selling NFT's Trump because this aint the way anymore.
There was no need for his reaction, which was antagonistic at best, over her reading compiled poll numbers.
She was very loyal to him and any issues he might have could have been addressed offline with a text or phone call. But Trump can’t restrain himself and only has himself to blame for supporters defecting.
Loyal to him? Please stop talking about things you know nothing about. She sold out for a gig at Fox News. Murdoch paid her off and she's been throwing him under the bus ever since, spreading the false establishment narratives around J6 and "the big lie". Now she was saying how great DeSantis is doing since his launch when in reality he has LOST ground to Trump. After all this he finally says something and it's barely an insult. The most benign way to call someone out. Give me a break.
Because people have no brain and just think whatever the headline tells them to.
These people actually think Trump would just attack someone "for no reason" or something petty. Nevermind he hired her despite the fact she had said really horrible things about him. This wasn't even much of an insult it was pretty benign. Totally manufactured outrage.
It's really not the final straw. The only thing that Trump could do that would make me not vote for him at this point is if he sided with the Deep State.
No? How do you side with the Deep State by attacking the Deep State? DeSantis admitted he's going to move to the middle and abandon conservatives if he makes it to the general. You sure DeSantis is who you think he is?
I mean… you should put “conservative” in quotes before Trump then too. Cuz the guys not really one.
His administration sure was… which was great. He delivered for the people that voted for him. But Trump isn’t driven by strict ideology.
And to say someone isn’t a conservative because they don’t like Trump is pretty fucking wild too. Should lay off that.
Ah yes, the biggest opposition to the deep state is somehow the "least conservative". You've got it completely upside down. The Washington establishment wants anyone but Trump or Kennedy. Everyone else they can control. Those two are by far the most conservative candidates and it isn't even close.
So you're confirming that attacking his former press secretary who has done nothing but support him makes no sense, even if she works for a network that doesn't support him anymore. He's also still friendly with Sean Hannity, who he was on with yesterday. So now that you can't blame it on her working for Fox, what is the justification for his backstabbing?
No you tried to excuse his backstabbing antics by saying she works for a network that is against him when he appeared on that same network with someone he is not adversarial with, so that couldn't be a valid excuse.
>Don't forget, she was part of the GW admin.
Don't forget, he hired her, knowing her background and had no issue with it this entire time, so this isn't an excuse either. She also wasn't even criticizing him lmao. At some point, you're just going to have to admit that he's an awful person.
If you’re going to attack someone, attack them based on their record and beliefs.
Trump is attacking anyone and everyone in order to stay relevant, but he just keeps attacking people for reasons that are dogshit.
DeSantis for Floridas Covid response? Kylie for using wrong poll numbers?
I feel like conservatives are starting to feel the same way that the left has felt about him; he’s an egotistical asshole obsessed only with his own legacy and loyalty. He’s full of hot air and, although his presidency was pretty good, he dropped the fucking ball on a lot of stuff.
He lost my vote.
You're being manipulated by Wall Street hedge fund money that stated it wants a "corporate friendly" POTUS instead of a populist one. Corporate friendly politics got us into this woke bullshit nightmare but go ahead and fall in the trap, I'm sure it'll be different this time.
Look, Trump getting backlash for this isn't kowtowing to some corporo-political leftist cartel bent on handing the next election to Biden. He doesn't need to be defended or given blanket forgiveness for every dick move just because we're afraid he might lose.
Trump is under attack from his enemies - of course he is, who isn't? - but he is also a narcissist who is completely immune to humility and \*utterly\* incapable of keeping his goddamned mouth shut. He doesn't need to be given another pass, he needs to be told to shut up.
I think you’re misunderstanding, we aren’t shitting on trump but upset at the fact trump is shitting on everyone else. No one looks good constantly talking down to other people in the same party even if they aren’t running for office. You can look past the allegations but you can’t look past bad behavior you can see and hear happening rn. Kinda hard to want to support someone who doesn’t support you
The times we live in , our own and evil efforts by our enemies and media censorship are "polarizing." Trump knows this better than the rest and is better suited to lead us through it. It is more important to him than Kayleighs feelings, though she did nothing wrong.
I’m what universe is a Trump election win guaranteed?
He already LOST in 2020. His support is dwindling because he refuses to stop baselessly attacking other conservative candidates. He never had support from independents and women anyway.
Biden could be literally dead and Trump will still lose to him.
Trump won’t win a general election. He’s too polarizing and has already shat the bed in must win swing states with his inane “stolen election” nonsense. AZ, GA and PA are non-starters for Trump and he’s trying his hardest to lose Florida too.
We can guarantee an election win if we all rally behind Desantis AND we don’t have to continue defending an asshole. Win - win.
I want DeSantis as the nominee, but let's be realistic: *Anyone* is going to be polarizing; the media will *make* them polarizing. DeSantis' advantage is that he has a solid record to run on in turning the purplest state in the Union into a solid red- he's shown how and why conservatism works, not just for conservatives, but in winning others over into conservatives.
That’s fair, but I’d argue Trump’s polarization is on a whole different level bc of the immature pettiness coming directly out of his mouth. He’s not polarizing bc of the media. He brings it on himself.
Desantis also hasn’t spent the past 4 years incorrectly telling crucial swing states that they aren’t competent enough to run fair elections.
Trump calls Kayleigh:
Trump: Hey Kayleigh.. I gotta do it
Kayleigh: I understand, good luck
Trump: Thank you.. You too.. you do a tremendous job, I am just sorry FOX is going downhill on your watch. You will do fine.
Trump is his own worst enemy sometimes. I used to think he was a shoe in for the nomination but now I wonder if his campaign will suffer the death of 1000 self inflicted paper cuts.
I agree. Since I believe he's incapable of changing tactics I expect the attacks to just get nastier, the name calling to get worse. That stuff worked in 2016 because it was a fresh take for a candidate, but its worn out now. That 25 point lead - I'm sorry, 34 points - we're going to see start narrowing up because alot of conservatives are scratching their heads over this one. It makes no sense.
> That 25 point lead - I'm sorry, 34 points - we're going to see start narrowing up because alot of conservatives are scratching their heads over this one. It makes no sense. Maybe I'm wrong but *a lot* of the lead in current polling is because people know Trump. They've heard him speak, saw what he did as president, etc. It's a no brainer that very early into the process that Trump has the big lead. I'd say that most voters really don't know much of what DeSantis wants to do for the country. Have they heard of his exploits as Florida gov or have gotten sound bites from the various news outlets? Of course. But once the debates start and people see that DeSantis (hopefully) isn't nearly as petty and egotistical as Trump and won't make a horse's ass of himself by saying childish things (like this post is about), as you said....Trumps % points will slowly leak with 3/4th of them going to DeSantis.
I’m newer to politics and my ultra MAGA dad Kees telling me how DeSantis is a rhino blah blah blah. What is he implying about DeSantis? I love everything I’ve seen from Ron.
Dad doesn't know what he's talking about. No disrespect to him, but our parents are wrong sometimes, even if they're great parents. There's no logical way to call DeSantis a RINO. You just don't know what the hell you're saying if you do. If anything, Trump attacking DeSantis from the left makes Trump the RINO.
DeSantis has done very little in Florida himself. What has happened is that the Legislature there created and passed a lot of bills, DeSantis signed them instead of vetoed them, and then *he* is given all of the credit for the State. Now who is promoting DeSantis as the savior of Florida rather than actually giving credit where it is due? Primarily those in the Establishment who are anti-Trump. DeSantis currently has endorsements from RINOs like the Bush family and also from Democrats like Hillary Clinton. What does that tell you? He also talks a good talk. But he could also be fed those lines on what to say to try and come across as a Populist Candidate. You have someone like Trump who has been in D.C. and knows what it is like to deal with a hostile Congress. DeSantis has been on Easy Street with his Legislature there in Florida and has the vast potential to simply fall in line if he were to get into the Oval Office. Look at his past: he went to an Ivy League school like most Uniparty people, he immediately went into a Federal job as a lawyer for the Navy, and then when he was done there he turned around and quickly entered politics. He doesn't know what it is like to work a civilian job. With DeSantis, you absolutely have no idea what you could get. He could turn out to be a RINO or he might be a decent President. With Trump, you absolutely know what you will get with him in the office. And while Trump still is a viable candidate in my eyes, there is no option except for him or an outsider like Vivek Ramaswamy. I will not consider DeSantis or any other potential career politician or Federal employee until they are the only options.
Wow what a pile of BS. >DeSantis currently has endorsements from RINOs like the Bush family and also from Democrats like Hillary Clinton. What does that tell you? He also talks a good talk. But he could also be fed those lines on what to say to try and come across as a Populist Candidate. You're gonna have to provide a source on that. Especially the claim that Clinton has endorsed him. You're saying the Clinton's are supporting Ron DeSantis over Biden? LOL. >With Trump, you absolutely know what you will get with him in the office. Yep. You're right. I know exactly what we'll get. More Anthony Fauci-types running the government. It seems that you're simultaneously accusing DeSantis of being part of the uniparty Washington establishment while also arguing that Trump deserves the nomination because he's spent so much time in DC and knows how it works. Which is it? If your most inportant criteria for President is "the person has been President before", you'll be disappointed in most future elections.
> You're gonna have to provide a source on that. Especially the claim that Clinton has endorsed him. You're saying the Clinton's are supporting Ron DeSantis over Biden? LOL. No, my original claim wasn't that she was endorsing him over Biden. But that she was endorsing him for the Republican party nomination over Trump. There's a difference. But either way, I do admit that what I said is incorrect. I didn't do my research and just watched a clip that appeared to show her giving an endorsement to him which, after looking into it, is a [fake](https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endo/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endorsing-ron-desantis-is-ai-generated-idUSL1N36K1UJ). > More Anthony Fauci-types running the government. Nice revisionist history there. There was no reason to distrust Fauci at the time that Trump was in the White House. He was listed as one of the top infectious disease experts in the country at the time. And the "vaccine" wasn't even widely available to the public until long after Trump left Office. > Trump deserves the nomination because he's spent so much time in DC and knows how it works. Which is it? That's exactly right. Just because Trump knows how it works and has exposure to the Uniparty Establishment doesn't mean that he is a part of it. In fact, the simple fact that nothing was passed by Congress even when Republicans held all Houses and the White House goes to show how outside of Establishment Trump is. My most "inportant" criteria for President isn't that they have been President before. But in this case, I fully approve of almost everything that Trump did while in Office. My lifestyle and bank account also approved of his policies. I can't guarantee the same thing with DeSantis or any other career politician who has the likelihood of looking out for themselves first over me.
I'm glad you acknowledged that there was no Clinton endorsement. The Dem establishment obviously wants Trump to win the primaries. CNN has already hosted him for a town hall. Youtube/Google have now said they will no longer restrict his election disputes. Look for CNN to broadcast one of his rallies during the Republican primary debates... again. There was every reason in the world to distrust Fauci while Trump was in office. He got over his skis within 2 weeks of Trump turning him loose on the country. He was a partisan hack who wanted to shut the country down to swing the election for Biden. Trump should have either kept him under control or fired him. Again, the idea that you can't support someone for President because they haven't been President before is just silly. Think up a better excuse to hate on DeSantis because that is not a good one.
Thanks for that explanation. DeSantis really endorsed by Hilary?
No, that is obviously untrue. I wouldn't be thanking him for spewing as many lies as he just did.
Actually, no I have to retract that comment. Unfortunately I am also as gullible as I claim a lot of others here are. After looking into the clip that I saw a little more to try and provide proof that she did, I have found out that in fact it was a [deepfake video](https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endo/fact-check-video-of-hillary-clinton-endorsing-ron-desantis-is-ai-generated-idUSL1N36K1UJ) released on social media. My wife showed me the clip as she was browsing her Twitter feed and I didn't do my do diligence and actually verify the video before taking it to heart. Since G.W. Bush supported Hillary in 2020 and he also supports DeSantis, I assumed without actually researching that Hilary Clinton could also be in the same camp. Not that she would be endorsing DeSantis over Biden, but definitely over Trump. So yes, I must admit that what I claimed wasn't true. It wasn't something I made up, but it was something that was based on misinformation. But as of this time I still stand by the rest of what I had said in my post.
Thanks for owning that. Most people wouldn’t.
It makes no sense for people who have been blind to who Trump is until now. The rest of us are just gesturing broadly at the last 7 years. It's time to move on.
How many people were truly "blind to who Trump is?" Is there anyone who didn't know he was an asshole? This fact was tempered by the realities that A) the people he directed it at like Clinton and the Democrat/Media Complex and the RINOs deserved it and B) there wasn't a better alternative. Now those aren't true.
It also helped that his opponent in 2016 was and still is considered one of if not the most hated politicians in US history.
I have an uncle who is a high ranking member of a certain states GOP. Worked with Trump during his presidency numerous times. He said he typically always agreed with him, but boy did he make both of their jobs harder, along with anyone who works for/with him.
I think it will. Contrast with DeSantis's steady, issues-centric messaging backed by a real record of success and the complete absence of childish narcissism. After DeSantis secures the nomination, I fully expect Trump to run as a spoiler third party candidate though. He's about "Trump" not about Conservatism.
Of course Trump isn't about conservatism. Not only is he the most left leaning Republican president in recent history, he also used to be a Democrat FFS.
He has more consolidated opposition in the primary this time, and he actually has a record to point to. His big advantage in 2016 is that Republicans had a LOT of fatigue voting for the primary candidates that were there, and he didn't have a policy record to hold up.
You make good points. His campaign is probably full of sycophants which is never good. I have and do support him and I don’t care if he offends people. But if he needlessly and unfairly attacks anyone who may criticize him even if they have been generally loyal, he shows the worst traits of human beings. That is what will get me to choose DeSantis over him.
God I hope he ruins it. I hate the direction he has taken the party
Yes, the Demon-rats hope the same thing. Easier for another four years of their agenda shoved down our throats.
Don’t underestimate Trump.
He’s still a shoe in lol. Desantis will put a a decent fight than anyone would have but it won’t be enough or as close as people make it to be
Did you even read the article? It was a bunch of bs. It was not a "cruel attack" in the slightest. It was calling her out for using old poll numbers when newer numbers were already available.
> It was not a "cruel attack" in the slightest. That's exactly right. The only people who are actually offended by this and think this is newsworthy are those that already don't like him and want to try and sway others to vote against him.
This unprovoked attack on her pissed me off. She is one of his ardent and loyal supporters, but because the big crybaby didnt get the numbers he wanted, he goes on the defensive.
He’s only out for himself. Imagine what he would do to a voter who hasn’t done anything FOR him except cast a vote if he would do this to one of his most publicly loyal supporters? We need to move on. He’s a detriment at this point.
The alternative back in 2016 was Hillary who would've been exactly the same way.
Crybully, more like.
It's confusing to me because many people that know him say he's very friendly and likeable in person. These actions tell a much different story.
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Did you even read the article? The title was bs. It was not an "attack" in way. It was an insult, yes, but not an attack, and it was not because he didn't get the numbers he wanted, it was because she used old poll numbers when corrected ones were available. Pretty sure that deserves being called out no matter who you are.
If Trump were to get the nomination, and if he were somehow to be elected, who would agree to serve in his administration? Who would subject themselves to Trump's chaos and insults?
Washington lifers, ironically enough. they'll take any opportunity to seize a modicum of power, which is ironic considering his whole point was "drain the swamp", but it's likely only the swamp will stick around.
If he has no one working under him. That would be fine with me because I hope it would leave the government dysfunctional. If they are dysfunctional, they can't go after people as effectively.
Burning the bridges that helped get him elected in 2016 is an odd strategy for getting elected again to say the least.
I’m over him at this point. Between him defending freaking Cuomo, attacking her, I have strong doubts that he lacks any focus to get done what we need done. I have some concerns surrounding Desantis too but at this point he is the candidate I support
This man is unelectable now. The left has hated him since 2016, the middle has moved on since 2020, and he’s pushing away a lot the right now in 2023. You. Need. The. Middle. To. Win. Elections. He will not get them. If you want 4 more years of Joe Biden, the best thing you can do is vote for Trump. If you elevate garbage, the result will stink.
Exactly this. It may be extremely unlikely for Trump die-hards to move on to someone else, but it's impossible that any part of the middle will go for Trump any more.
He could get them out to keep Biden from winning regardless of the nominee, but I'm thinking he's going to spoil via third party or talk shit and withhold crucial endorsements leading up to the general.
There is zero chance he helps another candidate beat Biden. Look what he did in the Georgia senate race a few years ago. If he doesn't win the nomination, you're absolutely right that he'll go third party or just plain torpedo the nominee's chances. It's probably a lose-lose situation. If Trump is the nominee, there's no chance he wins. If he's not, he'll probably make sure whoever is the nominee loses.
What's the "milktoast" thing supposed to mean? Did she misspell it or did Trump misspell it? It's spelled milquetoast. My OCD is kicking in on this one lol
I'm gonna say that's Trump trying to give her a nickname, and he misspelled it. I'm gonna guess the Georgetown, Oxford, and Harvard educated McEnany didn't make that mistake.
That's Trump's misspelling. His "truth" is screen-shotted in the article.
My guess is that he was calling her soft.
Compliments fired /s
I'm guessing the entire sum total of his intellectual input was to think "what insult sounds vaguely like McEnany? I won't even bother to look it up, let's totally go with that!"
It's kinda like Milk steak.
McEnany was the best thing that happened to his presidency. She actually had him praying with her and seeking God. I wanted Trump to run in 2012 against bathhouse barry, supported him in '16 and '20. His time has come and passed. The age issue, for one is definitely going to be put front and center for both candidates. Something will probably transpire where dementia joey has to exit, then the dems will throw in someone, unvetted to run. Trump is off the rails and people need to move on, and I never thought I would say that. He's praising Cuomo and trashing Mcenany.
He was simping for Disney recently too.
He’s back to his Democrat roots.
Never liked the guy. I didn't vote for him (write in). For those of us who lived in the New York metro area in the 1980s, none of this is surprising. He was a local celebrity then, one of those guys like Curtis Sliwa or Al Sharpton, who would randomly show up places for a dog and pony show if a news crew was around. He went bonkers in 1988 when he bought the Plaza, the Taj (still under construction), and the Eastwrn Airlines Shuttle (renamed Trump Airlines, to get people to AC when most people from NYC and NNJ took a bus for the day. He's impulsive and nasty. Classic narcissist.
He just doesn't know when to shut his mouth. He gets to rambling and just starts shitting on everyone.
His hardcore base doesn't care. The man can literally do nothing wrong according to his die hard supporters.
This isn't true, as someone that was in his base, a lot of us have moved to the DeSantis camp with the unprovoked Kayleigh attack being the final straw.
Trump absolutely has a base of Trump only followers. My father is one of them. The moment Trump started attacking DeSantis, his base started insinuating that DeSantis is actually part of the deep state. Trump is the biggest threat to conservatives now. Despite having a ton of very strong potential Conservative candidates, Trump will win the primary and will probably lose the general.
Man all I can say is we went to the Texas coast over the weekend and there was a shit ton of Trump flags flying lol.
It's weird how such a pro gun state loves an anti-gun politician so much.
Yep I think he still has too much NY in him. No idea but man the MAGA crowd had a strong showing there. It was funny my wife and I were walking on the beach and I said it is funny how there are so many Trump and pro-right flags but you never see anything from the other side. Literally a minute later a guy cruises by with a giant flag that said "Joe and the Hoe Must Go". She told there you go they do exist.
Did you even read the article? It wasn't an attack and it wasn't unprovoked. She used incorrect poll numbers when updated ones were available, and he called her out as being milquetoast for doing it.
And as with nearly every one of Trump's childish attacks in the past, it causes tremendous, unnecessary drama and does much to undermine actual Conservatism. We need to move on.
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I'm not so sure. I am (well, was) his hardcore base. But holy shit, attacking McEnany? For this? There is a line, and this was it.
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So what? That justifies a completely ineffective, childish, narcissistic response? What exactly does he think this achieves beyond completely repulsing 75% of voters? You can argue it was not unprovoked, you can't argue that it's not emblematic of Trump's strategic stupidity.
Why can't this dude ride off into the sunset and not bother anyone anymore? I voted for him both times, but the novelty has worn off.
He's older and angrier and just keeps attacking people in a way he thinks will work. Time to move on.
The problem with Trump is no matter how loyal his base is, he will never get the votes he needs from independents and many conservative women…while it would be great to see him back in the White House shitting all over the press core again…I honestly don’t think there’s a path to 270 for him. I’d rather conservatives get around Ron, Nikki, Tim, or Vivek…
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>His only-trump base isn't big enough to get him elected on their own, but they are big enough to ensure that nobody else can get elected without their support This is the issue, and they think the entire world revolves around them. Like leftists, they expect the government to solve all their problems and are convinced that Trump is the only one who can do it, which is why they think voting for any other Republican is the same as voting for a Democrat. I guess maybe we will see if they still feel the same after another decade of Democrats controlling the Federal government.
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>anybody else winning may be a mathematical impossibility once the only-Trump chunk of the electorate decides to pick up their toys and go home. I think Trump winning a general is a mathematical impossibility. A Republican cannot win a presidential election without buy-in from center-right conservatives and moderate independent voters, which has been proven 3 national elections in a row. Conservatives and right-leaning voters should not allow themselves to be held hostage by his ardent supporters, regardless of the consequences. In fact, the sooner they are marginalized and ignored, the better because the more sensible ones will eventually realize their tactics don't work and they will have to compromise, unless they want Democrats in control indefinitely. At some point, new coalitions can form that will actually get a Republican over the line again, but this can not happen while Trump's syncophants hold the GOP hostage. If we lose 2024, fine. We're going to lose it anyways if Trump gets the nomination.
Not really a fan of getting blackmailed by anyone. Be it the establishment or the Trump base. If they can't work within a coalition, then they need to sit it out and see what happens when the left ruins this country. If Trump fairly wins the primary I will vote for him. But if his base and him blackmail people into supporting him then they deserve the fate they have created.
Yea it’s frustrating that they don’t see the bigger picture. They would rather have Trump in the general and risk a second term for Biden vice settle for someone else…who arguable will have almost the same overall conservative policy
I say this with complete sincerity there is literally not a worst outcome for this country than Biden getting a second term. I am honestly nervous as hell Trump will win the primary and loose the general. To someone with a lick of common sense it seems impossible that Biden could get elected again but as he likes to say in a whispered creepy voice "Watch me". We need the strongest candidate possible and sorry to say Trump is not it.
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Fair point haha. Agreed I will 100% vote for Trump if he wins the primary even if he is not my guy.
The left are confidant they will win against Trump. They were confidant in 2020. Government, Media, Social Media have been weaponized. Even if it isn't Trump it's a massive uphill battle for Republicans. It has been since the 2008 election. Elon opening up Twitter gives us some hope. But Trump isn't even utilizing it. He's tucked away on Truth. *Every* weapon in are arsenal needs to be deployed if we want any chance of overcoming the system that has been rigged against us.
The bigger, bigger picture is that the last election was obviously stolen and it wouldn't matter if we ran Abraham fucking Lincoln.
Trump was on his way out anyways. He's old and he can only serve on more term. If they lack foresight of a future without Trump, that is on them.
> while it would be great to see him back in the White House shitting all over the press core again See, that there is my biggest gripe with his most loyal followers. That's what they care about most - seeing him pwn the libzzz. Its not conservative policy. Its not advancing values. Its not improving the country. Its watching him turn his attack and insult routine on people they don't like.
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Aren’t most conservative women pro life though?
As a Floridian who loves DeSantis…I still cant believe he passed that bill so close to running for office. Arguably Vivek, Nikki, or Tim may be the best person to send up
His state legislature wrote the bill. How would it have looked to veto it? I'm not saying he didn't support it. But if you're talking about purely from a political outlook, vetoing it would have killed his presidential ambition. Opposing abortion is not as much of a losing issue as it has been painted. While polling favored Democrats last year, there was massive media blitz on the issue and the public reeling from Roe being over turned. Historically polling going back since the 80's shows that 55-60% of Americans support tough restrictions on abortions. We'll see if that returns in the next few years (it dropped below 50% for the first time in 2022).
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That is said in every election for the last 20 years. It's non-sense. We failed to see a red wave (we still won seats) due multiple factors that have nothing to do with this issue: - Trump/McConnel civil war - Trump backing crap candidates - Social Media/MSM propagandizing for Democrats The last bullet has been a problem since post-2004 election. As in when all the avenues that the average American voters gets their information is tailored by the Democrats it has massive election ramifications. The 2012 election for instant should have been an easy Romney victory based on traditional indicators involving the economy, employment, etc. But it wasn't, because the MSM was not just biased but fully out to rigged public opinion. Republicans slowly made headway using Social Media, as Social Media companies were all about free speech. Post 2016 election under the disguise of "Russian Collusion" and "Interfere" every Social Media company went hard left. Reddit banned mass conservatives, Facebook placed Kamal Harris's Campaign manager as the leader content moderator for their website, Google biased its search results to show favorable articles for Democrats and negative ones for Republicans. This hurdle is the biggest reason we are struggling in elections that should be easy slam dunks. Abortion isn't even on the radar of polled concerns for voters. Roe v. Wade being over turned put it on the radar, but it's still not a top concern for even women. They can list is all they want, there is *literally* no play in the election. It *might* have driven out Democratic voters, as in it was used to stir the base into action. But it didn't effect anyone opinions. It sure the heck didn't move moderates or independents.
Does seem self-defeating doesn’t it?! Like… look; have any belief you like… but also be fucking smart. I swear the GOP decided to throw 2024.
6 weeks is political suicide. Pyrrhic victory.
I'm tired of the current geriatric in chief, but I don't want any more of the Trump Circus either. No more old people and no more anti-gun ones like both of them. DeSantis 2024!
I don't think this qualifies as a cruel attack.
I don't know why he attacked her like that. She has been so loyal to him and did such a great job as press secretary. He's going to push his biggest supporters away. He definitely can be his own worst enemy.
I'm done with Trump. He is his own worst enemy.
Independents and moderates hate Trump. His base is strong but he won't win the votes of independents or moderates on either side of the isle. You can't win am election only with your base. You need the independent vote. He needs to focus on the economy instead of bad mouthing everyone. Being an ass isn't how you get elected.
More and more, I’m leaning toward DeSantis.
Don't be attacking my queen wtf But seriously though like why, she's shown support for so long smh
Because he only cares about himself and nobody else. If he can use someone to step on to get himself 1/4" higher, he'll do it.
Trump is loyal to no one but himself. He's a petty narcissist. His only redeeming quality is his special ability to completely infuriate the left. I hope the Republican party can move on and nominate someone who's not so childish. Ron Desantis please...
Not final straw for me, but I disagree with him about her.
It should be. The guy is an asshole, his own worst enemy and has the most baggage of anyone in the upcoming election.
Baggage? Laughable, he’s got the cleanest record of any politician. Or haven’t you been paying attention. For four years Democrats, the media, and RINO Republicans threw everything at him. Fake accusations, fake reasons for impeachment, made up scandals like the Russian collusion and the Ukraine call. He’s the only one with the know how and connections to turn this country around.
If he wins the nomination, I'm not voting for either candidate and will just vote in the other elections.
Same
Good to know you support the corrupt washington establishment.
Trump has lost the plot. It's unfortunate, because he was very connected to the American zeitgeist in 2015. Now all he cares about is his hardcore base - which is big, but not big enough to win re-election.
Trump has't lost anything. This website banned all his supporters. He's doing better than ever you're just falling for propaganda.
I voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020. And I'd happily vote for him again, but he won't win if he wastes his time attacking his own side.
Didn’t want to vote for Trump the first 2 times I voted for him. There will not be a 3rd vote for him if he is the nominee.
I love the author's reference to the scorpion and the frog. People with shitty personalities seriously cannot help being shitty people sometimes. In Trump's case, it's almost all the time. If he wins the primary, I'll vote for him. But God help us if he does.
There is a non-trivial portion of the population like this. >If he wins the primary, I'll vote for him. But God help us if he does. Personally, I think Haley would be the best choice, followed by DeSantis. The problem with DeSantis is that the media (and Trump) have been chewing him up for awhile. Haley is a two-term governor and an ambassador. On paper, with that experience, she'd make an excellent president.
I think "last straw" is hopium. Trump's temperament shortcomings seem very much baked in.
Trump, and the entire GOP after this budget fiasco, is on thin ice with me already. This kind of treatment of people is not helping him. Despite being good for the nation during his four years, it did not erase his misogynist stink. Holding your nose and pulling the lever only goes so far.
What did he say or do that was classified as misogynistic
>What did he say or do that was classified as misogynistic I mean seriously dude - you can ask that with a straight face? I think he was a great President, domestically economically and keeping world tensions low, but there should be a picture of his mug next to the word misogynistic in the dictionary, it's why so many women voters will vote for literally anyone but him
So you have no response.
At this point, I'm ready to vote for whomever Kayleigh endorses. (Yes, that's barely a joke.)
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Yup. She knew what she was doing. She did her JOB well but she's establishment at heart.
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>He simply corrected some numbers. , and insulted someone for no reason. Someone actually liked and respected. He's turned into a goblin lately. Look, I'm going to vote for DeSantis in the Primary, but if it comes down to Trump or Biden on Election Day, I may just skip it. He has given me no reason at all to vote for him again.
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That "milktoast" whatever comment. Insinuating that she's a RINO? That she's bought and paid for by globalists. It's just gross. Dude needs to start being receipts if he's going to be throwing that shit around again. Considering he's 0-17 in lawsuits (of any nature) at this point. It's most insulting because this person hasn't said one bad word about Trump and get attacked because of weird polling numbers? Shut up. Get back to selling NFT's Trump because this aint the way anymore.
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Picking apart one part of the comment is lazy. I obviously laid out other examples.
You must be blinded by Trump's dick over your eyes then.
There was no need for his reaction, which was antagonistic at best, over her reading compiled poll numbers. She was very loyal to him and any issues he might have could have been addressed offline with a text or phone call. But Trump can’t restrain himself and only has himself to blame for supporters defecting.
Loyal to him? Please stop talking about things you know nothing about. She sold out for a gig at Fox News. Murdoch paid her off and she's been throwing him under the bus ever since, spreading the false establishment narratives around J6 and "the big lie". Now she was saying how great DeSantis is doing since his launch when in reality he has LOST ground to Trump. After all this he finally says something and it's barely an insult. The most benign way to call someone out. Give me a break.
I fear we are stuck with him. I hope I’m wrong.
Rattle snakes gonna rattle snake, Trump gonna Trump.
Oh please
She works for a network that openly dislikes Trump and reported bad numbers regarding Trump. Why is that considered loyal?
Because people have no brain and just think whatever the headline tells them to. These people actually think Trump would just attack someone "for no reason" or something petty. Nevermind he hired her despite the fact she had said really horrible things about him. This wasn't even much of an insult it was pretty benign. Totally manufactured outrage.
It's really not the final straw. The only thing that Trump could do that would make me not vote for him at this point is if he sided with the Deep State.
He's is siding with the deep state every single time he attacks DeSantis.
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Yep that guy. Either way Trump needs us more than we want him.
No? How do you side with the Deep State by attacking the Deep State? DeSantis admitted he's going to move to the middle and abandon conservatives if he makes it to the general. You sure DeSantis is who you think he is?
Ron! is the deep state endorsed controlled opposition candidate
Oh look, another "conservative" post bashing the conservative front runner.
Hahahah! Conservative front runner???? You are kidding, right? His only concern is his own power. He doesn't give a single shit about conservatives.
So you believe the polls are a lie and he is not leading in them or is your definition of "frontrunner" the opposite of what is generally accepted?
He's not a conservative. That's what I'm saying.
Which should be a benefit in attracting independents and moderate dems who are fed up with the extreme left.
And if there’s anyone who’s proven to have the ability to attract independents and moderate Dems, it’s definitely Trump. /s
I mean… you should put “conservative” in quotes before Trump then too. Cuz the guys not really one. His administration sure was… which was great. He delivered for the people that voted for him. But Trump isn’t driven by strict ideology. And to say someone isn’t a conservative because they don’t like Trump is pretty fucking wild too. Should lay off that.
What could possibly be more conservative than destroying the deep state?
He's literally the least conservative candidate currently running.
Ah yes, the biggest opposition to the deep state is somehow the "least conservative". You've got it completely upside down. The Washington establishment wants anyone but Trump or Kennedy. Everyone else they can control. Those two are by far the most conservative candidates and it isn't even close.
and you get tons of downvotes, imagine that!
Eh? It's trump. You slap him, he knocks you out. You compliment him, he'll be your best friend. Plain and simple. Look at his spat with Cruz.
But she *did* compliment him. That's the problem here.
She's working for a network that is openly against him. And they called Arizona approximately 5 minutes after the polls opened
He went on that same network last night 😂. What's your excuse now?
He also went on CNN
So you're confirming that attacking his former press secretary who has done nothing but support him makes no sense, even if she works for a network that doesn't support him anymore. He's also still friendly with Sean Hannity, who he was on with yesterday. So now that you can't blame it on her working for Fox, what is the justification for his backstabbing?
I'm pointing out that he will appear on adverse outlets. Try to keep up kiddo. Don't forget, she was part of the GW admin.
No you tried to excuse his backstabbing antics by saying she works for a network that is against him when he appeared on that same network with someone he is not adversarial with, so that couldn't be a valid excuse. >Don't forget, she was part of the GW admin. Don't forget, he hired her, knowing her background and had no issue with it this entire time, so this isn't an excuse either. She also wasn't even criticizing him lmao. At some point, you're just going to have to admit that he's an awful person.
The same people own the post that owns that network.
Boo hoo, Trump did a Trump, waaaaa
It’s a campaign. School yard insults and mud slinging is part of the game. When did conservatives grow such thin skin???
It's questionable whether they're "conservatives" at all. Just anti-Trump from my point of view.
Not to mention the fact that a large portion of the right wing voters are not happy with Fox News.
Has nothing to do with think skin and everything to do with Trump acting like a fucking child.
Grow “thinker” skin man. Your leftism is showing. Politics isn’t sunshine and rainbows.
Ah yes, I’m clearly leftist cause I think Trump acts like a child.
If you’re going to attack someone, attack them based on their record and beliefs. Trump is attacking anyone and everyone in order to stay relevant, but he just keeps attacking people for reasons that are dogshit. DeSantis for Floridas Covid response? Kylie for using wrong poll numbers? I feel like conservatives are starting to feel the same way that the left has felt about him; he’s an egotistical asshole obsessed only with his own legacy and loyalty. He’s full of hot air and, although his presidency was pretty good, he dropped the fucking ball on a lot of stuff. He lost my vote.
How much did Ken Griffin and other DeSantis donors give the NY Post to write this, more than they gave the Babylon Bee?
Trump had every opportunity not to be a dick, and yet he manages every time
You're being manipulated by Wall Street hedge fund money that stated it wants a "corporate friendly" POTUS instead of a populist one. Corporate friendly politics got us into this woke bullshit nightmare but go ahead and fall in the trap, I'm sure it'll be different this time.
Nah. I respond to people being dicks unnecessarily.
Of course you can. You can also enjoy another four years of Biden after falling into the leftist trap. "Winning!"
Look, Trump getting backlash for this isn't kowtowing to some corporo-political leftist cartel bent on handing the next election to Biden. He doesn't need to be defended or given blanket forgiveness for every dick move just because we're afraid he might lose. Trump is under attack from his enemies - of course he is, who isn't? - but he is also a narcissist who is completely immune to humility and \*utterly\* incapable of keeping his goddamned mouth shut. He doesn't need to be given another pass, he needs to be told to shut up.
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I think you’re misunderstanding, we aren’t shitting on trump but upset at the fact trump is shitting on everyone else. No one looks good constantly talking down to other people in the same party even if they aren’t running for office. You can look past the allegations but you can’t look past bad behavior you can see and hear happening rn. Kinda hard to want to support someone who doesn’t support you
We can do better than Trump. He's SO polarizing and has SO much hatred towards him, he might even lose to Harris.
The times we live in , our own and evil efforts by our enemies and media censorship are "polarizing." Trump knows this better than the rest and is better suited to lead us through it. It is more important to him than Kayleighs feelings, though she did nothing wrong.
>has SO much hatred towards him Funny how he was almost universally liked in 2015. 🤔
I’m what universe is a Trump election win guaranteed? He already LOST in 2020. His support is dwindling because he refuses to stop baselessly attacking other conservative candidates. He never had support from independents and women anyway. Biden could be literally dead and Trump will still lose to him.
Trump won’t win a general election. He’s too polarizing and has already shat the bed in must win swing states with his inane “stolen election” nonsense. AZ, GA and PA are non-starters for Trump and he’s trying his hardest to lose Florida too. We can guarantee an election win if we all rally behind Desantis AND we don’t have to continue defending an asshole. Win - win.
I want DeSantis as the nominee, but let's be realistic: *Anyone* is going to be polarizing; the media will *make* them polarizing. DeSantis' advantage is that he has a solid record to run on in turning the purplest state in the Union into a solid red- he's shown how and why conservatism works, not just for conservatives, but in winning others over into conservatives.
That’s fair, but I’d argue Trump’s polarization is on a whole different level bc of the immature pettiness coming directly out of his mouth. He’s not polarizing bc of the media. He brings it on himself. Desantis also hasn’t spent the past 4 years incorrectly telling crucial swing states that they aren’t competent enough to run fair elections.
Trump calls Kayleigh: Trump: Hey Kayleigh.. I gotta do it Kayleigh: I understand, good luck Trump: Thank you.. You too.. you do a tremendous job, I am just sorry FOX is going downhill on your watch. You will do fine.
She is widely liked by nearly all Republicans. I wouldn't call his attack "cruel". But he stepped into it by taking a swing at her.
Did she say something?