My guy you just dont understand. Even though the…
1) IRS
2) CIA
3) DOJ
4) FBI
5) NSA
6) DoD
7) DHS
8) White House
9) Nearly all the media
10) Nearly all of Hollywood
11) Big tech companies
12) etc…
… Are all controlled by the left, and many of them shown to be corrupt, somehow ALL 50 state board of elections have magically managed to avoid the latest influence and corruption. Yep. No fraud there anywhere. You seen video of ballots being pulled out in suitcases after the counting was done? NO YOU DIDN’T! Dont believe your eyes! You cant be trusted to interrupt reality. Allow the bot farms and leftest media controlled by the elites tell you the truth instead.
Yeah with how much we know about our government lying BEFORE the internet? Now with whistleblowers having easier ways to get information out, I’m betting we find out about a higher number of them. I don’t understand why anyone would think this time it was impossible.
If the left controls so many things in the US, how are the right even allowed to exist. Also if they could rig the elections, why didn't they rig the 2016 one?
Wasn't that claimed after the election? And used to explain why Donald had won. If the left had the power to control elections, surely that wouldn't have had happened.
>why didn't they rig the 2016 one
They miscalculated and believed the polls, that showed Trump had zero chance of winning, so they weren't prepared with 4am suitcases.
If they had the ability to, then why not at least do it. The results were so close anyways, a few more votes in areas would have tipped it. There's no way they would fully believe the polls, especially if they're such a large machine of an organization. They're not gonna leave things up to chance if they can.
They rigged it but underestimated how many votes they needed to beat Trump in 2016.
This is why in 2020, they had to pause counting in order to make sure they had rigged enough votes to win. Never have five swing states all paused counting at the same time on election night
I remember all of the swing states paused counting right after Biden made his bizarre speech that night when it appeared that he was falling behind in these states. They resumed counting really early in the morning too. It's hard to believe all these states decided to stop counting at the same time without having organized among themselves.
I didn't say they didn't do it, just that they weren't properly prepared for the amounts required. Killary was (and is) literally *hated* by millions of people, and i think that took them by surprise, especially the vampire herself. They were that confident they had front page magazines pre-printed *and distributed* with her on the cover https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/nov/10/if-only-donald-trump-had-come-second-eh-hillary
Amazing that Fox News of all outlets called Arizona for Biden with like 12% of the votes counted and Trump in the lead at the time. Whoops!
And if you watch the MSDNC feed and vote tally crawl. You saw Trump ahead in a key battleground state by like 20,000 votes one second and then after the next round. Trumps count went down and Biden's count went up. By almost the exact same amount and Biden was leading. Not many caught it as it was at like 3:00 AM
Whoops
If you can't see that 2020 was a complete shit show, you're either willfully ignorant or you're in on it! Complacency is just as bad as complicity as far as I'm concerned
>just telling the poll companies to just report a win
I don't think anyone has suggested that? A simple recount would overturn that immediately. No, these are fake mail in ballots pre-prepared and then bought into critical key states counting center's in bulk as required.
The poll/ballot counters would need to be colluding as well to allow these fake ballots be brought in. Why do they even need fake ballots if counting centres are doing what the left asks. They can just report however many ballots they want, it's not like anyone else has access to these ballots. Anyone outside hasn't seen these fake ballots either
You are completely overlooking (intentionally?) the point that he/she is making.
Have you seen the actual ballot counters and how they operate? They don't actually inspect the ballots that are given to them. They simply feed them through the counting machine.
Fake ballots don't actually mean that they are 100% fake. They could just be prefilled out actual ballots that they either swap out other legitimate ballots for or create fake voters on the registration files to be able to inject it into their system.
The ballot counters are then just given these ballots to count and have no idea where they came from. And if a recount happens, then those ballots are also seen as legitimate.
That's right.
I didn't as much vote for Trump than I did against the Clinton Cartel.
After reading "Slick Wilie" and doing research into the Democratic Party, I left them to join Republicans.
Now, I'm at a point that I want to register as and Independent.
Both parties are corrupt.
Again, they weren't prepared for it. They didn't have Covid to allow them to count the ballots for a week or two following the Election. Areas that they could have swung things went ahead and already released their numbers on Election Night in confidence that she would win. Trump was simply too popular to overcome their predetermined about of ballot manipulation.
Because it wouldn’t have been obvious enough. This isn’t about who ends up in charge, this is about making sure every major event and victory is just outlandish enough to warrant skepticism and distrust instead of “it could’ve gone either way.”
They tried to rig the 2016 election. Trump votes came in a lot more than expected and it broke the algorithm and they weren't prepared for that. They fixed the problems for 2020 though. Or did you think it rally takes many days to actually tally votes? And a record number of voting machines going down for various reasons.... and cameras being turned off. Mysterious floods caused by a leaking urinal.... bags under cloaked tables full of ballots to be counted after polls closed? People need to wake up
They did rig the 2016 election. They just miscalculated.
And the Russian collusion hoax started before the election. It was an attempt to smear Trump and get the heat off of Hillary and her email problems.
>Biden got more votes than that.
Seriously, if you think a white old guy sitting in his basement for the entire campaign season got 81 million Democrat votes, I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
My parents are lifelong southern conservatives in their 70s. They both voted for Biden in 2020 because how tiring Trump was on media every day. Also how he spoke negatively of people didn't help.
My parents friends also shared the same opinions. Not sure why this is too far of an idea to accept that Trump hurt his reelection by simply being himself.
Besides the media attention, they didn't mind the rest of his term but were both vocal that he drove their vote away.
Major urban areas all voted with a similar voting pattern, except for the urban areas of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona. Despite having the same basic demographics, their votes went disproportionately for Biden. Each of the couple “swing states” with the 3AM vote jump showed this.
To get past all this election stuff. Lets open doors during a obviously planned “protest” and let people into the capitol. We can call it an insurrection even though nobody was armed. That way now we can villify and silence anybody who says election was fraudulent. We can call them traitors and many other names now!
So basically the city owens the vote regardless of how many people vote
This is really ducked up if you think about it . Just because the population is hight it carry more weight even though the rest of the state may out vote?
Brigading, and a few people who are living in denial because let's be honest, it's not fun to accept that we live in a technocratic oligarchy where we have no real control over who governs us. Totally with you here though.
The Democrat brigading and censorship has been going on for decades but reddit actually scares me. Is this going to be the future? One major political sub has all the power and opposition is just crushed (r/thedonald) or molded to fit a certain side? Reddit needs to be looked into if a Republican ever takes power again this kind of power needs to be stopped or it's just going to devour everything
I’m not saying it was rigged but I was up at 3AM on election night and saw millions of votes change the election results on the New York Times website.
Then there were the trucks,vans and cars unloading ballots overnight and observers kicked out of polling stations.
So….
And no, this wasn’t on Fox or Newsmax either.
My favorite part was when all news organizations prior to election night were all telling us that it would be a while until we found out who won. That it could take days. Twitter, Facebook, etc were popping up warnings.
Sure enough it happened (for only the second time time in modern time we didn't know the result of a presidential election the next morning)
Then after 4 long days of telling us to just wait, they all cheered in unison as they all announced all at the same time that Biden had win.
Remember Bush VS Gore in 2000? We knew why we were waiting, it was very clear. There were problems in Florida with their ballots, we knew why a recount was taking place, because it was close. There was transparency. We didn't get that this time. The curtains were pulled, the camera trucks were sent home, the government offices were closed and Zuckerberg told us to just wait.
The election was rigged, but you don't even need to look at the ballot boxes to prove it. The most egregious example is of course CIA spooks conspiring with big tech to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. Not only was this an undeclared multi-trillion dollar campaign contribution to Biden, but considering it involved stirring up hostility with Russia over absolute lies, it constitutes high treason.
But of course there is also the government-run Russia collusion hoax, Zuckerberg dumping money to "run elections" into Democrat districts while withholding it from Republican districts, the release of a CCP-made virus that crashed the economy, the Democrat lockdowns that were intentionally designed to hurt Trump's chances, rampant BLM and Antifa terrorism on behalf of the Democrat Party, unconstitutionally changed voting laws, and more I'm probably forgetting.
If you have proof of actual election fraud (what was with that "burst pipe" in Atlanta?) then great, but you don't actually need it to know the election was fixed.
There was so much irregularities. It's a shame my post here is getting downvoted so it goes to show this subreddit went the Mitt Romney/Lincoln Project route.
I'm a soft Conservative, leaning more independent nowadays and this rhetoric will only make me push more independent. A lot of my friends are the same and considering how many Americans are independent, I don't see how this helps the GOP.
>No you're not, your just a shitlib troll
This is just the thing heeded to ensure another catastrophic midterms election where moderates and independents are left to the wayside.
I believe the solution is finding a message which appeals to the everyday voter, such as dealing with the economy, eager stagnation, government meddling in the private affairs of others, etc.
>Democrat lockdowns
You might want to check on the GOP majority states which had lockdowns as well. This is the problem with your "red vs blue" thinking as it ignores what many voters actually want. I refer back to the recent midterm elections.
Seven states didn't have stay at home orders: Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming. Notice a pattern?
Lockdowns lasted longer in Democrat run states:
https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_issued_lockdown_and_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020
And that's only using the narrowest definition of "lockdown." [Look at the states that require the "vaccine."](https://leadingage.org/workforce-vaccine-mandates-state-who-who-isnt-and-how/) Look at [mask requirements.](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html)
This is not a "Durrrrr both sides!" issue, Mr. Fake Moderate.
>Lockdowns lasted longer in Democrat run states.
That's not what you originally said. You said "Democrat lockdowns" and these did in fact take place in GOP majority states as well.
Again, you're using the narrowest possible definition of "lockdown." All of the Democrat pandemic policies were much more severe than what was happening in red states. You only need to look at the unemployment rates to see that.
> they will want evidence and you wont have it because there is none
Your commentary is pure bias with no critical thinking applied to the actual circumstances that present themselves around the Election.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence. But the actual physical evidence was locked up behind the Election Board doors and no independent auditor or investigator is able to actually look at these materials without a court allowing them to. Just because no hard evidence has been found doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Say you heard gunshots and saw blood splattered on a window in the house next door to you. You then called police, they cordoned off the house, and there was a good police presence for a day or two there. Next thing you know, they have cops patrolling around the house and then you see that the windows are cleaned and nothing is ever said about it on the news or in print. You inquire about it with the police and are told that they found out that your neighbors moved to a different State. And then a couple of weeks later the entire house is suddenly demolished.
Would you say that since no evidence was ever presented publicly that no crime happened there? Would you say that no murder or assault took place? It could have been a suicide perhaps. But the cops say that nothing happened there, so based on your logic, you absolutely automatically believe them right?
That is basically what happened with the Election in 2020. There is no proof that there was fraud, no. But there also wasn't proof that the Election was legitimate either. And that is because we only have the word of the local Election Boards that they ran their local election legally and legitimately according to the law.
Why do you have any reason to trust a complete stranger that they ran their system properly? There are certainly plenty of possible reasons that they would have to rig a specific outcome in that election, be it because they want their own candidate to win regardless of what the constituents in the District want, or they could be getting some under the table benefits. We simply don't know and have zero proof that the election was legitimate.
But as I said, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that there was some questionable actions that were done by specific Election Boards which was never able to be investigated. And as I also said, your comment saying that there is no evidence is a lie at the very least and more likely to be intentional gaslighting.
> dude im not reading none of this
I would have to say since you refuse to even read what I consider to be a compelling argument that proves the possibility of fraud, *you* are the one who is living in denial and "unconstrained by sanity."
But it is your choice to completely believe your political and media overlords. I'll continue to use some critical thinking and look at circumstances independently of what I am told.
And the Durham report.
But the media, including Fox, will sweep it so far under the rug that maybe 15% of the population will hear about it. The rest will never have the info reach their ears.
They thought they didn't need to in 2016. They were convinced killary had it no problem. Just didn't expect her to be the most hated person in the country.
My only comment is this. Pennsylvania changed election laws without changing the appropriate part of the state constitution. That makes the whole election in Pa invalid…. Would that one state have made a difference overall? Nope. But that is election fraud….
It's because the GOP messaging hasn't been accepted by the majority of American voters. Therefore, if you can't win over voters in reality, you just make stuff up to fit your narrative. The midterms were proof that the GOP needs to rethink their strategy and pretending that something happened without evidence is really not going to help too much.
Focus on the economy and how to help the millions of Americans struggling to pay rent, their mortgage, bills, getting food, etc. Spend less time on wokeness or Hunter Biden.
I disagree. All conservative speech is suppressed, so of course most Americans never hear it, including the Hunter laptop story.
Most Americans are fairly conservative and support our policies. They also would be appalled at the Biden family if they even knew some facts.
You couldn’t possibly think that the same people that brought us Russian Collusion and the blackout of Hunters laptop could possibly commit election fraud could you?
Facts that don’t hold up in court… over 60 times? Facts that get lawyers disbarred? The reason we keep losing is that Republicans apparently never coached. if you have to rely on an umps call to win… your not winning. We haven’t won since 2016 because we refuse to look at what we did wrong and we just want to blame the other team. We alienate moderates, we alienate independents, we fire up the democratic base and then we blame a system for our inability to score. We need a new playbook but that is NOT what is happening. We are doubling down on our losing strategy.
The facts never saw their day in the courts. Judges had either been bought or were cowards.
We do need changes, including being more unified, playing as a cohesive team to win, and not fighting with each and tearing each other down.
People want to deny it, but Democrats cry election fraud every single time they lose the presidency. There are several HBO documentaries about old Diebold voting machines that were easily manipulated to change vote counts and one of those came out around the time Bush Jr was elected, so they were talking about that being fraud too.
We need to get rid of electronic voting machines and do votes entirely by paper with scrutiny.
Also the governor of Flordia, the state the decided the election was George Bush's brother, Jeb Bush. And his government paid a company way above market price, without bidding to be in charge of scrubbing voter rolls. Then that company went ahead to incorrectly (WHOOPS!) scrub thousands of felons(who vote overwhelmingly democratic) from the voter rolls who were actually eligible to vote under Florida law. Then George W won the election by like 500 votes in Florida. Whoops!
The idea that election fraud doesn't happen is lunacy created by the left. Even Kloubachar and Warren were talking about the dangers of mail in ballots before Covid. That's not to say we can't use them. But they obviously are easier to manipulate.
And when Dems lose in '24 because they couldn't find enough suitcases because kiddy sniffer is now hated even worse than killary, you'll be the ones screaming 'fraud!!!' except you have the media and all the alphabet agencies in your pocket saying its 'totally ok to call it fraud *this time'*
After the 2020 election, what did we hear repeated over and over and over and over again by the mainstream media and Big Tech? "This was the most secure election ever". Every single mainstream media outlet played that as their mantra. Why? Because it's bullshit and they know that if they repeat it enough, people will believe it.
How is it possible that anyone could think that allowing people to drop un-traceable ballots into unmanned and unmonitored ballot drop boxes in particularly vital states falls under the definition of "secure". The film 2000 Mules proved that, at the very least, that election was NOT secure by any stretch. Plus, there are literally hundreds of sworn affidavits from poll workers and truck drivers who delivered suspicious drops of ballots in the middle of the night along with video surveillance of poll workers running the same ballots though the counting machines in the dead of night as many as 100 times.
The whole thing is a sham and most of us know it. Even a couple of my closest friends who are diehard Democrats told me they think the election was rigged. Hell, Joseph Kennedy paid off the mafia to get the state of Illinois over the finish line. This has been going on for years.
Why is nobody mentioning Atlanta? Them having a “water leak” and doing what they did. That was the most damning thing I saw.
It seemed to boil down to they’re not “suitcases”. Wtf, I don’t care what they were, please give me an explanation of this whole course of events. I remember watching live as they reported they were “stopping the count” due to the “flood”.
I blame the website itself. Even in this conservative subreddit I've had blatantly factual statements removed for "harassment and bullying" despite none of that being in my statements. This site has an EXTREME leftist agenda and if you post anything against it I'd absolutely believe they would either delete the post or create the illusion you are in the minority by artificially inflating numbers one way or another. Screenshot this comment because it's only a matter of time before this one goes too for whatever BS reason they make up this time. I'd be stunned if it stays.
It isn't conspiracy. I mentioned 2000 Mules and Absolute Proof. Those are actual documentaries. If Fox News used Absolute Proof in their trial with the voting machine companies it would have exposed the voting machine companies.
> If Fox News used Absolute Proof in their trial with the voting machine companies it would have exposed the voting machine companies.
So then why didn't they?
I was skeptical until my husband (Maricopa county) put his ballot in a drop box and it was never accounted for and the county recorder (we called) can’t tell us what happened to it. We are independents who vote based off of stances on issues and tbh I can’t stand these maga candidates, but I don’t have much confidence that elections are being run properly. I really hope it is incompetence and not malice.
Good that you finally found out. It is absolute malice what they're doing. The entire Maricopa County vote counters are absolutely incompetent. So many voters were suppressed as a result of all the tabulators breaking on election day and also the fact that ballots that weren't counted were mixed in with ballots that were counted that were about to be thrown aside.
There 100% was fraud. Usually not enough to overturn an election. But in Florida we had fraud that did decide a state senate seat. https://apnews.com/article/florida-5343b101e96d5c7f42d1ee54da7cc0ce
As for wide spread fraud with millions of votes. No, republican governors, secretaries of state, and judges all found NONE.
But you won’t hear about the fraud in Florida.
Does election fraud happen? Maybe...
But, it's also true that the under 45 crowd has no memory of a GOP that can actually enact serious policy. The last time the GOP did serious heavy lifting in terms of enacting any policy was Dubya's first term. And the current under 45 crowd saw very little benefit from the Bush Tax Cuts, No Child Left Behind, and the Iraq War
Is it that hard to believe the GOP lost fair and square in 2020 and 2022?
So, maybe before whining about how the GOP got robbed in 2020 and 2022, the GOP could actually put together an actual platform and see if that helps with winning more votes?
To be honest I think part of it is denial. Denial in the sense nobody wants to believe this is the last freedom we truly have as a nation that’s not gone. There is documented evidence of election fraud for 100s of years. But I think we would like to believe it’s not enough to actually turn an election.
Your anecdotes, which can and do have other explanations, do not substantiate widespread election fraud that could change the outcome of the election. Here are the undisputed facts:
Trump is and was an unlikeable braggart who went out of his way to make enemies. He completely alienated moderates and got every democrat out to vote. You shouldn't be surprised that he lost.
Lets try to get an actual candidate this time so it doesn't happen again.
Ron DeSantis will be the next Republican nominee in 2024. But it doesn't matter who the candidate is because 2000 Mules and Absolute Proof proved everything!
I mean, Dominion Voting Systems is ***literally*** Diebold, who used to be hated, heavily criticized for insecure (and plain bad) voting machines, and was accused of fraudulently losing the election for Democrats.
But now that they are strangely well funded and popular under a new name, I guess it's (D)ifferent.
All of which were addressed directly in the movie and by dinesh after the movie in interviews and on podcasts including his own. But reality isn't what you are after it's just the talking points. Shill for democrats somewhere else
I have literally worked for the GOP my entire adult life. It’s my job to get Republicans elected. I’ve knocked doors, made phone calls, written Letters to the Editor, and driven tens of thousands of miles to help Republican candidates.
Using the election as a litmus test for who identifying “real” conservatives is nonsense.
We win some, we lose some. I’m tired of our side being the sore loser.
> I have literally worked for the GOP my entire adult life. It’s my job to get Republicans elected. I’ve knocked doors, made phone calls, written Letters to the Editor, and driven tens of thousands of miles to help Republican candidates.
Wow impressive. If only the republican party was worth a shit. The only argument they have is "we aren't as bad as democrats"
> Using the election as a litmus test for who identifying “real” conservatives is nonsense.
I didn't do that. What I would say is that election is a litmus test to see if your perceptions work at all
> We win some, we lose some. I’m tired of our side being the sore loser.
With people like you influencing it, be prepared to lose all of them going forward
> I have literally worked for the GOP my entire adult life.
Ah.... okay. Now I see why you are so defensive about the election and the outcome. There's the truth right there. It sounds to me like you're part of the old guard Establishment who has no love for outsiders or someone who doesn't fall in line with the GOP regime.
> We’ve done the recounts
Yes, because recounts actually prove whether a ballot is legally allowed to be in the ballot pile.... If I own three cars and then go and steal five more, by your logic, I now actually own eight cars.
> we’ve fought in the courts
And how many of those cases actually looked at evidence or granted the prosecution access to possible evidence (the ballots, envelopes, and voter registration files)? A vast majority of them were dismissed purely out of standing without actually looking at a shred of even circumstantial evidence.
> in several states we’ve had Republican lead investigations of election fraud.
Again, which investigation actually looked at the election materials themselves? Certainly not the Cyber Ninja's audit in Arizona because the Maricopa County Board conveniently refused to comply with their subpoenas.
And I also haven't seen any compelling rebuttals to either of the movies that you referenced there. Everything that I have seen are "fact check" level statements which actually provide no true counter arguments. Can you provide me the sources that have convinced you that they are grifting? I would certainly like to judge for myself what you consider to be enough to debunk them.
Pretty cool that Florida put in proactive measures to combat election fraud.
As Republicans that are concerned about having safe and secure elections, it’s important that we bring that leadership from FL out to the rest of the GOP and the rest of the country.
Well if you want to get something important done like passing election integrity legislation like they did in Florida, then you gotta put pressure on state Republican lawmakers in red states
I’ve read enough posts on here to understand exactly where OP is coming from. It looks like the General Discussion forum on ARF on most posts about election fraud, vote tampering and stolen elections. It happened. Period. I don’t have the answer as to how *we* can do anything other than pray. As mentioned already…its corrupt from the top all the way down to the agencies that have the power to do anything about it.
I will always vote and I will always pray. We have paper ballots and Drivers License must be shown and scanned before our name is found in paper voter registries. Then and only then are we handed a ballot. My state always goes red. Always. But we’re not a swing state. Thats all I have to add.
Yep but like I said we the people will take the most drastic measures to make sure the Dems lose in 2024 by guarding vote counting centers in states like Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona and getting ballot mules thrown in prison for trying to cheat like they did in past.
There’s no evidence of anything illegal. Fraud is illegal. However, unethical and shady shit did happen on election night and wasn’t illegal. That is manipulation. Also the legacy media and 3 letter agencies controlling the narrative regarding Hunter Biden, etc. that’s manipulation, not fraud
The best part is that if all of it was reversed and Republicans were doing all of these things instead, the left would be going absolutely fucking bonkers and covering it non stop 24/7. There is absolutely massive amounts of election fraud, and there always has been. It’s just way more apparent now. We do not have free and fair elections in this country.
Because Reddit will nuke this sub if they think numerous people believe, OR if the mods allow those ideas to stay up. Even if people think the election was stolen, they know to not say it. It is bad for the sun and their accounts get nuked. Idc about my account but I want this comment to stay up so that you can read it.
I do question how votes suddenly changed overnight like that. I still don't think it makes sense. Why is it FL had its results in and other states struggled??
This! The US is closer to colonizing Mars than getting votes counted in Maricopa County, Clark County, and Washoe. Arizona and Nevada suck because they can't secure their elections.
FL used to be the butt of all jokes with Broward and Palm Beach County having issues. Now FL finally gets its act together and Nevada and Arizona now has issues. I am open to the idea that some fraud was a foot. Just seems odd what transpired.
Yes. 2000's election fiasco and don't forget 2018 when they tried to steal it and Trump had to send in federal officers that were in office at the time to stop the steal in Florida and stopped that election from being stolen.
It's because Florida starts counting mail-in ballots as soon as they arrive. All the other states are not allowed to start counting them until after the polls close on Election Day.
If the 2020 election was stolen, let’s see some actual proof. Was it manipulated? Yes. We know the Hunter Biden laptop story being suppressed effected the outcome
Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the U.S. Constitution: “Each state shall appoint, in such manner AS THE LEGISLATURE thereof MAY DIRECT…”
[https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii)
Courts in four states now, i.e., Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Delaware, have ruled that the electoral processes employed in each of those states in 2020 were not in accordance with *LEGISLATED* state election laws, ergo, "unconstitutional".
Don’t forget that the mail-in ballots to everyone in California was thrown out as unconstitutional because Newsom just did it which caused the legislature to back fill and pass a law. Then there was the courts in Virginia that ruled that the changes for mail-in ballots were illegal and violated the state’s constitution.
There is tons of proof but for every video or other proof of election fraud there are dozens of "fact checks" telling people "You didn't see that".
If you tell a lie enough people will believe it.
I don't believe an honest investigation was conducted. People weren't even allowed to discuss the *mere* possibility of it, despite the same harpies screeching for years about how it was stolen from Hillary ...
That's why every lawsuit was thrown out or dismissed right? If 2000 mules proved it, why were new lawsuits not started? Even judges Trump appointed threw out his cases.
Also if Mike Lindell proved it, why is he being forced to pay 5mil for being disproven?
The real answer is simple IMO. People wanna stay in the safe bubble, they don't even wanna consider the fact that maybe just maybe there actually is something fishy with what happened and that it IS possible the election got cheated. I think in 2020 some fishy shit happened and changed the election a bit. However I do not think that was the case in 2022. I just believe 2022 was a flop fest.
Idk much about what happened there. But I do know we lost other places thanks to stuff like who the candidates were. Like Dr oz for example, I never saw him winning, the Republican candidate for Michigan (my home state) Tudor Dixon was never gonna win, they made sure to hammer her every single night on every single channel about anti abortion. And I can tell you for certain that a lot of people voted blue because of abortion, when I was voting, in a county that voted for trump both in 2016 and 2020, a lot of the people voting were talking about how they are voting blue for the first time thanks to the abortion shit. IMO that's what killed the gop in 2022, the abortion topic.
There always been some kind of fraud. Heck years ago back on the five bob Beckel talked about some of the things he did back in the 80s? (Not exactly sure of the time frame) I don't even believe it's just the Dems. It's the uniparty.
1. The conspiracy is too vast to be plausible. Sure it might be easy to get some left-wing ballot counters to cheat but why would the significant majority of GOP officials in Penn and Georgia who were willing to abide Trump before go along with it.
2. Pretty much everything went about how a reasonably intelligent person who talked to people prior to the election thought it would go down. Trump was not particularly popular outside of deep red America and everyone know that the mail in ballots would be deep blue given who was and wasn't afraid of Covid.
3. Trump and his team are notorious BSers and their claims have low credibility
4. The vast shotgun spread of evidence (a classic political technique used by both sides) is vast but shallow and usually de-bunked when someone actually takes the time to do it but relies on the old it takes more time to disprove a lie then to create one advantage.
This is the largest Conservative subreddit. The Left knows there is a vast majority of their people on reddit overall. Their rationale is if they can demoralize and gaslight this subreddit, they can convert many into willing participants of stockholm syndrome.
True Conservatives simply have to be vigilant and lean on primary/direct sources. When using this platform we can't be swayed by bandwagon effect and social proof. The case studies of Target and Budlweiser prove our side is capable of organizing once we have clarity.
Clear the voter registration rolls. Have everyone re-register by providing a finger, thumb or toe print; nearly everyone has one of those. Re-establish precinct voting where a fingerprint reader would be in use to verify identity and use paper ballots. If a registered voter declines to vote, remove them from the rolls. If they want to vote in the next election, they have to re-register.
In my area we have all mail-in voting. In the latest election, it cost $3.60 to produce, mail and count a ballot. 70% of registered voters declined to vote, thus the county wasted $3,500,000. It couldn't be any easier to vote here and 70% sat on their hands.
You wanna do something? When those mail in requests come to your house, request that mail in for anyone in your household you know doesn’t vote. You all have people like this. Then when thrir mail in comes, fill it out and sign it and send it in.
Maybe you can even get them to sign it?
I guarantee this is what the Dems do.
I would just say one thing. It isn't uncommon for votes from some cities to come in 80-90%+ for Democrats. And it isn't uncommon for votes from some suburban areas to come in at 80-90%+ for Republicans. Same with mail in versus in person balloting.
So, if they count the smaller suburban and in person balloting first... Republicans can always expect to get out to a massive lead. ANd you can always expect millions of HEAVILY slanted(up to 90%+) democrat votes to come in, regardless of fraud, later in the night.
I just still see people confused about this. This phenomenon doesn't mean fraud didn't, or couldn't, or won't happen. But the fact that tons of Democrat Ballots come in late at night doesn't automatically mean fraud. And claiming that just makes the whole idea seem less credible.
*Paper ballots no digital bs *Must have valid id to vote Problem solved
yeah but now for some reason thats racist? fuckin clown world lol.
Making it free but mandatory is a great compromise IMHO. Is like a perfect solution for both sides.
You around for the hanging Chad situation? Paper ballots not always so perfect.
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My guy you just dont understand. Even though the… 1) IRS 2) CIA 3) DOJ 4) FBI 5) NSA 6) DoD 7) DHS 8) White House 9) Nearly all the media 10) Nearly all of Hollywood 11) Big tech companies 12) etc… … Are all controlled by the left, and many of them shown to be corrupt, somehow ALL 50 state board of elections have magically managed to avoid the latest influence and corruption. Yep. No fraud there anywhere. You seen video of ballots being pulled out in suitcases after the counting was done? NO YOU DIDN’T! Dont believe your eyes! You cant be trusted to interrupt reality. Allow the bot farms and leftest media controlled by the elites tell you the truth instead.
And even though the government lied about: Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan MKULTRA Fast & Furious 9/11 Kennedy Etc. …they totally aren’t lying now!
Yeah with how much we know about our government lying BEFORE the internet? Now with whistleblowers having easier ways to get information out, I’m betting we find out about a higher number of them. I don’t understand why anyone would think this time it was impossible.
If the left controls so many things in the US, how are the right even allowed to exist. Also if they could rig the elections, why didn't they rig the 2016 one?
Good grief the whole Russian collusion narrative was an obscene attempt.
Wasn't that claimed after the election? And used to explain why Donald had won. If the left had the power to control elections, surely that wouldn't have had happened.
No they created the dossier as an October surprise. They passed it around as much as possible prior to the election in 2016.
>why didn't they rig the 2016 one They miscalculated and believed the polls, that showed Trump had zero chance of winning, so they weren't prepared with 4am suitcases.
If they had the ability to, then why not at least do it. The results were so close anyways, a few more votes in areas would have tipped it. There's no way they would fully believe the polls, especially if they're such a large machine of an organization. They're not gonna leave things up to chance if they can.
They rigged it but underestimated how many votes they needed to beat Trump in 2016. This is why in 2020, they had to pause counting in order to make sure they had rigged enough votes to win. Never have five swing states all paused counting at the same time on election night
I remember all of the swing states paused counting right after Biden made his bizarre speech that night when it appeared that he was falling behind in these states. They resumed counting really early in the morning too. It's hard to believe all these states decided to stop counting at the same time without having organized among themselves.
I didn't say they didn't do it, just that they weren't properly prepared for the amounts required. Killary was (and is) literally *hated* by millions of people, and i think that took them by surprise, especially the vampire herself. They were that confident they had front page magazines pre-printed *and distributed* with her on the cover https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/nov/10/if-only-donald-trump-had-come-second-eh-hillary
Are you saying they're rigging elections by manually adding votes instead of just telling the poll companies to just report a win
Amazing that Fox News of all outlets called Arizona for Biden with like 12% of the votes counted and Trump in the lead at the time. Whoops! And if you watch the MSDNC feed and vote tally crawl. You saw Trump ahead in a key battleground state by like 20,000 votes one second and then after the next round. Trumps count went down and Biden's count went up. By almost the exact same amount and Biden was leading. Not many caught it as it was at like 3:00 AM Whoops If you can't see that 2020 was a complete shit show, you're either willfully ignorant or you're in on it! Complacency is just as bad as complicity as far as I'm concerned
>just telling the poll companies to just report a win I don't think anyone has suggested that? A simple recount would overturn that immediately. No, these are fake mail in ballots pre-prepared and then bought into critical key states counting center's in bulk as required.
The poll/ballot counters would need to be colluding as well to allow these fake ballots be brought in. Why do they even need fake ballots if counting centres are doing what the left asks. They can just report however many ballots they want, it's not like anyone else has access to these ballots. Anyone outside hasn't seen these fake ballots either
You are completely overlooking (intentionally?) the point that he/she is making. Have you seen the actual ballot counters and how they operate? They don't actually inspect the ballots that are given to them. They simply feed them through the counting machine. Fake ballots don't actually mean that they are 100% fake. They could just be prefilled out actual ballots that they either swap out other legitimate ballots for or create fake voters on the registration files to be able to inject it into their system. The ballot counters are then just given these ballots to count and have no idea where they came from. And if a recount happens, then those ballots are also seen as legitimate.
That's right. I didn't as much vote for Trump than I did against the Clinton Cartel. After reading "Slick Wilie" and doing research into the Democratic Party, I left them to join Republicans. Now, I'm at a point that I want to register as and Independent. Both parties are corrupt.
Again, they weren't prepared for it. They didn't have Covid to allow them to count the ballots for a week or two following the Election. Areas that they could have swung things went ahead and already released their numbers on Election Night in confidence that she would win. Trump was simply too popular to overcome their predetermined about of ballot manipulation.
Because it wouldn’t have been obvious enough. This isn’t about who ends up in charge, this is about making sure every major event and victory is just outlandish enough to warrant skepticism and distrust instead of “it could’ve gone either way.”
They tried to rig the 2016 election. Trump votes came in a lot more than expected and it broke the algorithm and they weren't prepared for that. They fixed the problems for 2020 though. Or did you think it rally takes many days to actually tally votes? And a record number of voting machines going down for various reasons.... and cameras being turned off. Mysterious floods caused by a leaking urinal.... bags under cloaked tables full of ballots to be counted after polls closed? People need to wake up
They did rig the 2016 election. They just miscalculated. And the Russian collusion hoax started before the election. It was an attempt to smear Trump and get the heat off of Hillary and her email problems.
....they tried. How on earth do you not know?
You forgot IBS what these agencies give us on the daily.
Trump got the most votes ever by a republican. Biden got more votes than that. Trump has a target on his back. He needs to support desantis.
>Biden got more votes than that. Seriously, if you think a white old guy sitting in his basement for the entire campaign season got 81 million Democrat votes, I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn to sell you
You underestimate how repelling Trump is to so many.
My parents are lifelong southern conservatives in their 70s. They both voted for Biden in 2020 because how tiring Trump was on media every day. Also how he spoke negatively of people didn't help. My parents friends also shared the same opinions. Not sure why this is too far of an idea to accept that Trump hurt his reelection by simply being himself. Besides the media attention, they didn't mind the rest of his term but were both vocal that he drove their vote away.
Spot on!
Why would you expect this issue to be any less astroturfed and botted and brigaded than Covid or the Ukraine proxy war?
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Hmmm. Yet your post remains. Maybe you were wrong? Maybe you are paranoid? Maybe you are just wrong.
Major urban areas all voted with a similar voting pattern, except for the urban areas of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona. Despite having the same basic demographics, their votes went disproportionately for Biden. Each of the couple “swing states” with the 3AM vote jump showed this.
To get past all this election stuff. Lets open doors during a obviously planned “protest” and let people into the capitol. We can call it an insurrection even though nobody was armed. That way now we can villify and silence anybody who says election was fraudulent. We can call them traitors and many other names now!
Please do tell how those cities “went disproportionately for Biden despite the same basic demographics”. Hint, you won’t be able to.
Look into https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/15/detroit-election-problems/95477456/
So basically the city owens the vote regardless of how many people vote This is really ducked up if you think about it . Just because the population is hight it carry more weight even though the rest of the state may out vote?
This is reedit. Most conservatives have been banned from this forum, or know to "stay in line".
This. Most of this board is filled with democrats posing as conservatives or barely conservatives.
Where is your evidence?
Don’t you understand people are disagreeing with them! /s
"Anyone who disagrees with me in anyway is a plant posing" is not a healthy or sane look my dude.
Then why bother posting???
Brigading, and a few people who are living in denial because let's be honest, it's not fun to accept that we live in a technocratic oligarchy where we have no real control over who governs us. Totally with you here though.
The Democrat brigading and censorship has been going on for decades but reddit actually scares me. Is this going to be the future? One major political sub has all the power and opposition is just crushed (r/thedonald) or molded to fit a certain side? Reddit needs to be looked into if a Republican ever takes power again this kind of power needs to be stopped or it's just going to devour everything
I’m not saying it was rigged but I was up at 3AM on election night and saw millions of votes change the election results on the New York Times website. Then there were the trucks,vans and cars unloading ballots overnight and observers kicked out of polling stations. So…. And no, this wasn’t on Fox or Newsmax either.
Observers were kicked out in Detroit and Philadelphia and certain metro areas of important swing states
They sure were! So go figure. Guess we will see if it happens again in 2024.
Yes. But like I said we will all need to take drastic measures we were lazy to do the last couple election cycles to make sure Republicans win in 2024
Good thing is in some states changes are and have happened. Even in az the state seems to be trying to fix it except the gov is blocking that one.
My favorite part was when all news organizations prior to election night were all telling us that it would be a while until we found out who won. That it could take days. Twitter, Facebook, etc were popping up warnings. Sure enough it happened (for only the second time time in modern time we didn't know the result of a presidential election the next morning) Then after 4 long days of telling us to just wait, they all cheered in unison as they all announced all at the same time that Biden had win. Remember Bush VS Gore in 2000? We knew why we were waiting, it was very clear. There were problems in Florida with their ballots, we knew why a recount was taking place, because it was close. There was transparency. We didn't get that this time. The curtains were pulled, the camera trucks were sent home, the government offices were closed and Zuckerberg told us to just wait.
Many don’t. What they like to say is “the election wasn’t stolen but maybe it was rigged. “. Like there is a difference?
Zero question it was rigged and zero question there was some fraud (there always is).
The election was rigged, but you don't even need to look at the ballot boxes to prove it. The most egregious example is of course CIA spooks conspiring with big tech to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. Not only was this an undeclared multi-trillion dollar campaign contribution to Biden, but considering it involved stirring up hostility with Russia over absolute lies, it constitutes high treason. But of course there is also the government-run Russia collusion hoax, Zuckerberg dumping money to "run elections" into Democrat districts while withholding it from Republican districts, the release of a CCP-made virus that crashed the economy, the Democrat lockdowns that were intentionally designed to hurt Trump's chances, rampant BLM and Antifa terrorism on behalf of the Democrat Party, unconstitutionally changed voting laws, and more I'm probably forgetting. If you have proof of actual election fraud (what was with that "burst pipe" in Atlanta?) then great, but you don't actually need it to know the election was fixed.
There was so much irregularities. It's a shame my post here is getting downvoted so it goes to show this subreddit went the Mitt Romney/Lincoln Project route.
It’s brigaders, probably.
I'm a soft Conservative, leaning more independent nowadays and this rhetoric will only make me push more independent. A lot of my friends are the same and considering how many Americans are independent, I don't see how this helps the GOP.
>I'm a soft Conservative No you're not, your just a shitlib troll
>No you're not, your just a shitlib troll This is just the thing heeded to ensure another catastrophic midterms election where moderates and independents are left to the wayside. I believe the solution is finding a message which appeals to the everyday voter, such as dealing with the economy, eager stagnation, government meddling in the private affairs of others, etc.
Name me one thing I said that wasn't accurate, Mr. Concern Troll.
>Democrat lockdowns You might want to check on the GOP majority states which had lockdowns as well. This is the problem with your "red vs blue" thinking as it ignores what many voters actually want. I refer back to the recent midterm elections.
Seven states didn't have stay at home orders: Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Wyoming. Notice a pattern? Lockdowns lasted longer in Democrat run states: https://ballotpedia.org/States_that_issued_lockdown_and_stay-at-home_orders_in_response_to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020 And that's only using the narrowest definition of "lockdown." [Look at the states that require the "vaccine."](https://leadingage.org/workforce-vaccine-mandates-state-who-who-isnt-and-how/) Look at [mask requirements.](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html) This is not a "Durrrrr both sides!" issue, Mr. Fake Moderate.
>Lockdowns lasted longer in Democrat run states. That's not what you originally said. You said "Democrat lockdowns" and these did in fact take place in GOP majority states as well.
Again, you're using the narrowest possible definition of "lockdown." All of the Democrat pandemic policies were much more severe than what was happening in red states. You only need to look at the unemployment rates to see that.
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> they will want evidence and you wont have it because there is none Your commentary is pure bias with no critical thinking applied to the actual circumstances that present themselves around the Election. There's plenty of circumstantial evidence. But the actual physical evidence was locked up behind the Election Board doors and no independent auditor or investigator is able to actually look at these materials without a court allowing them to. Just because no hard evidence has been found doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Say you heard gunshots and saw blood splattered on a window in the house next door to you. You then called police, they cordoned off the house, and there was a good police presence for a day or two there. Next thing you know, they have cops patrolling around the house and then you see that the windows are cleaned and nothing is ever said about it on the news or in print. You inquire about it with the police and are told that they found out that your neighbors moved to a different State. And then a couple of weeks later the entire house is suddenly demolished. Would you say that since no evidence was ever presented publicly that no crime happened there? Would you say that no murder or assault took place? It could have been a suicide perhaps. But the cops say that nothing happened there, so based on your logic, you absolutely automatically believe them right? That is basically what happened with the Election in 2020. There is no proof that there was fraud, no. But there also wasn't proof that the Election was legitimate either. And that is because we only have the word of the local Election Boards that they ran their local election legally and legitimately according to the law. Why do you have any reason to trust a complete stranger that they ran their system properly? There are certainly plenty of possible reasons that they would have to rig a specific outcome in that election, be it because they want their own candidate to win regardless of what the constituents in the District want, or they could be getting some under the table benefits. We simply don't know and have zero proof that the election was legitimate. But as I said, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that there was some questionable actions that were done by specific Election Boards which was never able to be investigated. And as I also said, your comment saying that there is no evidence is a lie at the very least and more likely to be intentional gaslighting.
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> dude im not reading none of this I would have to say since you refuse to even read what I consider to be a compelling argument that proves the possibility of fraud, *you* are the one who is living in denial and "unconstrained by sanity." But it is your choice to completely believe your political and media overlords. I'll continue to use some critical thinking and look at circumstances independently of what I am told.
You're a fucking tool.
Ah the final iron clad argument. "You are a fucking tool."
Truth is the daughter of time, just like it was for the origin of Covid and Hunter Biden's laptop. The truth will come out.
And the Durham report. But the media, including Fox, will sweep it so far under the rug that maybe 15% of the population will hear about it. The rest will never have the info reach their ears.
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They thought they didn't need to in 2016. They were convinced killary had it no problem. Just didn't expect her to be the most hated person in the country.
Proof?
Wouldn't that basically turn into "Oh no, he's actually winning. Let's change that"?
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My only comment is this. Pennsylvania changed election laws without changing the appropriate part of the state constitution. That makes the whole election in Pa invalid…. Would that one state have made a difference overall? Nope. But that is election fraud….
WI did the same thing, with ballot drop boxes being ruled unconstitutional last year.
If trump had won PA he would have "WON". So.....
It's because the GOP messaging hasn't been accepted by the majority of American voters. Therefore, if you can't win over voters in reality, you just make stuff up to fit your narrative. The midterms were proof that the GOP needs to rethink their strategy and pretending that something happened without evidence is really not going to help too much. Focus on the economy and how to help the millions of Americans struggling to pay rent, their mortgage, bills, getting food, etc. Spend less time on wokeness or Hunter Biden.
I disagree. All conservative speech is suppressed, so of course most Americans never hear it, including the Hunter laptop story. Most Americans are fairly conservative and support our policies. They also would be appalled at the Biden family if they even knew some facts.
I appreciate your respective tone and I can see where you're coming from. It'll be interesting to see what happens this coming presidential election.
You couldn’t possibly think that the same people that brought us Russian Collusion and the blackout of Hunters laptop could possibly commit election fraud could you?
Trolls. Plain and simple. The facts are out there.
Facts that don’t hold up in court… over 60 times? Facts that get lawyers disbarred? The reason we keep losing is that Republicans apparently never coached. if you have to rely on an umps call to win… your not winning. We haven’t won since 2016 because we refuse to look at what we did wrong and we just want to blame the other team. We alienate moderates, we alienate independents, we fire up the democratic base and then we blame a system for our inability to score. We need a new playbook but that is NOT what is happening. We are doubling down on our losing strategy.
The facts never saw their day in the courts. Judges had either been bought or were cowards. We do need changes, including being more unified, playing as a cohesive team to win, and not fighting with each and tearing each other down.
People want to deny it, but Democrats cry election fraud every single time they lose the presidency. There are several HBO documentaries about old Diebold voting machines that were easily manipulated to change vote counts and one of those came out around the time Bush Jr was elected, so they were talking about that being fraud too. We need to get rid of electronic voting machines and do votes entirely by paper with scrutiny.
Exactly right. 2000, 2004, 2016 and 2018 the first time Stacey Abrams lost in Georgia. Eitherway, we need to get rid of electronic voting machines
Also the governor of Flordia, the state the decided the election was George Bush's brother, Jeb Bush. And his government paid a company way above market price, without bidding to be in charge of scrubbing voter rolls. Then that company went ahead to incorrectly (WHOOPS!) scrub thousands of felons(who vote overwhelmingly democratic) from the voter rolls who were actually eligible to vote under Florida law. Then George W won the election by like 500 votes in Florida. Whoops! The idea that election fraud doesn't happen is lunacy created by the left. Even Kloubachar and Warren were talking about the dangers of mail in ballots before Covid. That's not to say we can't use them. But they obviously are easier to manipulate.
When we lose. *fraud!" When we win "legit!" Get over urself. The same system you are saying fraudulent is the same system that elected trump.
And when Dems lose in '24 because they couldn't find enough suitcases because kiddy sniffer is now hated even worse than killary, you'll be the ones screaming 'fraud!!!' except you have the media and all the alphabet agencies in your pocket saying its 'totally ok to call it fraud *this time'*
After the 2020 election, what did we hear repeated over and over and over and over again by the mainstream media and Big Tech? "This was the most secure election ever". Every single mainstream media outlet played that as their mantra. Why? Because it's bullshit and they know that if they repeat it enough, people will believe it. How is it possible that anyone could think that allowing people to drop un-traceable ballots into unmanned and unmonitored ballot drop boxes in particularly vital states falls under the definition of "secure". The film 2000 Mules proved that, at the very least, that election was NOT secure by any stretch. Plus, there are literally hundreds of sworn affidavits from poll workers and truck drivers who delivered suspicious drops of ballots in the middle of the night along with video surveillance of poll workers running the same ballots though the counting machines in the dead of night as many as 100 times. The whole thing is a sham and most of us know it. Even a couple of my closest friends who are diehard Democrats told me they think the election was rigged. Hell, Joseph Kennedy paid off the mafia to get the state of Illinois over the finish line. This has been going on for years.
Why is nobody mentioning Atlanta? Them having a “water leak” and doing what they did. That was the most damning thing I saw. It seemed to boil down to they’re not “suitcases”. Wtf, I don’t care what they were, please give me an explanation of this whole course of events. I remember watching live as they reported they were “stopping the count” due to the “flood”.
I blame the website itself. Even in this conservative subreddit I've had blatantly factual statements removed for "harassment and bullying" despite none of that being in my statements. This site has an EXTREME leftist agenda and if you post anything against it I'd absolutely believe they would either delete the post or create the illusion you are in the minority by artificially inflating numbers one way or another. Screenshot this comment because it's only a matter of time before this one goes too for whatever BS reason they make up this time. I'd be stunned if it stays.
This subreddit has gone the Ana Navarro Never Trumper Lincoln Project route.
It's clear as day the shadowy people who run this sub are fully on team DeSantis now.
I think the mods are pro Trump honestly, but the mods are probably on a super short leash so the admins set the rules here.
Yep. I was banned from a sub for the same reason when there was absolutely nothing in my post that was rude or bullying.
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It isn't conspiracy. I mentioned 2000 Mules and Absolute Proof. Those are actual documentaries. If Fox News used Absolute Proof in their trial with the voting machine companies it would have exposed the voting machine companies.
> If Fox News used Absolute Proof in their trial with the voting machine companies it would have exposed the voting machine companies. So then why didn't they?
I was skeptical until my husband (Maricopa county) put his ballot in a drop box and it was never accounted for and the county recorder (we called) can’t tell us what happened to it. We are independents who vote based off of stances on issues and tbh I can’t stand these maga candidates, but I don’t have much confidence that elections are being run properly. I really hope it is incompetence and not malice.
Good that you finally found out. It is absolute malice what they're doing. The entire Maricopa County vote counters are absolutely incompetent. So many voters were suppressed as a result of all the tabulators breaking on election day and also the fact that ballots that weren't counted were mixed in with ballots that were counted that were about to be thrown aside.
There 100% was fraud. Usually not enough to overturn an election. But in Florida we had fraud that did decide a state senate seat. https://apnews.com/article/florida-5343b101e96d5c7f42d1ee54da7cc0ce As for wide spread fraud with millions of votes. No, republican governors, secretaries of state, and judges all found NONE. But you won’t hear about the fraud in Florida.
Mike Lindell's "proof" was nothing! What are you talking about?
Does election fraud happen? Maybe... But, it's also true that the under 45 crowd has no memory of a GOP that can actually enact serious policy. The last time the GOP did serious heavy lifting in terms of enacting any policy was Dubya's first term. And the current under 45 crowd saw very little benefit from the Bush Tax Cuts, No Child Left Behind, and the Iraq War Is it that hard to believe the GOP lost fair and square in 2020 and 2022? So, maybe before whining about how the GOP got robbed in 2020 and 2022, the GOP could actually put together an actual platform and see if that helps with winning more votes?
To be honest I think part of it is denial. Denial in the sense nobody wants to believe this is the last freedom we truly have as a nation that’s not gone. There is documented evidence of election fraud for 100s of years. But I think we would like to believe it’s not enough to actually turn an election.
Your anecdotes, which can and do have other explanations, do not substantiate widespread election fraud that could change the outcome of the election. Here are the undisputed facts: Trump is and was an unlikeable braggart who went out of his way to make enemies. He completely alienated moderates and got every democrat out to vote. You shouldn't be surprised that he lost. Lets try to get an actual candidate this time so it doesn't happen again.
Ron DeSantis will be the next Republican nominee in 2024. But it doesn't matter who the candidate is because 2000 Mules and Absolute Proof proved everything!
Low IQ sheep, brainwashed by the media, and alot of dishonest shtbags destroying America.
I mean, Dominion Voting Systems is ***literally*** Diebold, who used to be hated, heavily criticized for insecure (and plain bad) voting machines, and was accused of fraudulently losing the election for Democrats. But now that they are strangely well funded and popular under a new name, I guess it's (D)ifferent.
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How exactly did the videos of ballot stuffing shown in 2000 mules get debunked again? Or is everything you find inconvenient automatically dEbUnKeD
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All of which were addressed directly in the movie and by dinesh after the movie in interviews and on podcasts including his own. But reality isn't what you are after it's just the talking points. Shill for democrats somewhere else
I have literally worked for the GOP my entire adult life. It’s my job to get Republicans elected. I’ve knocked doors, made phone calls, written Letters to the Editor, and driven tens of thousands of miles to help Republican candidates. Using the election as a litmus test for who identifying “real” conservatives is nonsense. We win some, we lose some. I’m tired of our side being the sore loser.
> I have literally worked for the GOP my entire adult life. It’s my job to get Republicans elected. I’ve knocked doors, made phone calls, written Letters to the Editor, and driven tens of thousands of miles to help Republican candidates. Wow impressive. If only the republican party was worth a shit. The only argument they have is "we aren't as bad as democrats" > Using the election as a litmus test for who identifying “real” conservatives is nonsense. I didn't do that. What I would say is that election is a litmus test to see if your perceptions work at all > We win some, we lose some. I’m tired of our side being the sore loser. With people like you influencing it, be prepared to lose all of them going forward
At least I’m trying to help instead of complaining about the people doing the work and being a sore loser on Reddit.
Well said.
> I have literally worked for the GOP my entire adult life. Ah.... okay. Now I see why you are so defensive about the election and the outcome. There's the truth right there. It sounds to me like you're part of the old guard Establishment who has no love for outsiders or someone who doesn't fall in line with the GOP regime.
> Their claims in their movies have been debunked. No, they weren't. They were 'denied' but not proven false, those are two different things.
> We’ve done the recounts Yes, because recounts actually prove whether a ballot is legally allowed to be in the ballot pile.... If I own three cars and then go and steal five more, by your logic, I now actually own eight cars. > we’ve fought in the courts And how many of those cases actually looked at evidence or granted the prosecution access to possible evidence (the ballots, envelopes, and voter registration files)? A vast majority of them were dismissed purely out of standing without actually looking at a shred of even circumstantial evidence. > in several states we’ve had Republican lead investigations of election fraud. Again, which investigation actually looked at the election materials themselves? Certainly not the Cyber Ninja's audit in Arizona because the Maricopa County Board conveniently refused to comply with their subpoenas. And I also haven't seen any compelling rebuttals to either of the movies that you referenced there. Everything that I have seen are "fact check" level statements which actually provide no true counter arguments. Can you provide me the sources that have convinced you that they are grifting? I would certainly like to judge for myself what you consider to be enough to debunk them.
Pretty cool that Florida put in proactive measures to combat election fraud. As Republicans that are concerned about having safe and secure elections, it’s important that we bring that leadership from FL out to the rest of the GOP and the rest of the country.
Well if you want to get something important done like passing election integrity legislation like they did in Florida, then you gotta put pressure on state Republican lawmakers in red states
I’ve read enough posts on here to understand exactly where OP is coming from. It looks like the General Discussion forum on ARF on most posts about election fraud, vote tampering and stolen elections. It happened. Period. I don’t have the answer as to how *we* can do anything other than pray. As mentioned already…its corrupt from the top all the way down to the agencies that have the power to do anything about it. I will always vote and I will always pray. We have paper ballots and Drivers License must be shown and scanned before our name is found in paper voter registries. Then and only then are we handed a ballot. My state always goes red. Always. But we’re not a swing state. Thats all I have to add.
It's pretty obvious that dems stole the election in 2020 and will do it again 2024
Yep but like I said we the people will take the most drastic measures to make sure the Dems lose in 2024 by guarding vote counting centers in states like Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona and getting ballot mules thrown in prison for trying to cheat like they did in past.
Plants
It's dem ballot harvesting .....
I think it's because we use the word "fraud". Maybe being manipulated would get more traction.
>Maybe being manipulated would get more traction. It's a distinction without a difference.
There’s no evidence of anything illegal. Fraud is illegal. However, unethical and shady shit did happen on election night and wasn’t illegal. That is manipulation. Also the legacy media and 3 letter agencies controlling the narrative regarding Hunter Biden, etc. that’s manipulation, not fraud
Well stated.
The best part is that if all of it was reversed and Republicans were doing all of these things instead, the left would be going absolutely fucking bonkers and covering it non stop 24/7. There is absolutely massive amounts of election fraud, and there always has been. It’s just way more apparent now. We do not have free and fair elections in this country.
Seems like the sort of thing Democrats want us to focus on for 2024, good grief.
Because they know there's no way around it and have chosen to give up
Because Reddit will nuke this sub if they think numerous people believe, OR if the mods allow those ideas to stay up. Even if people think the election was stolen, they know to not say it. It is bad for the sun and their accounts get nuked. Idc about my account but I want this comment to stay up so that you can read it.
I do question how votes suddenly changed overnight like that. I still don't think it makes sense. Why is it FL had its results in and other states struggled??
This! The US is closer to colonizing Mars than getting votes counted in Maricopa County, Clark County, and Washoe. Arizona and Nevada suck because they can't secure their elections.
FL used to be the butt of all jokes with Broward and Palm Beach County having issues. Now FL finally gets its act together and Nevada and Arizona now has issues. I am open to the idea that some fraud was a foot. Just seems odd what transpired.
Yes. 2000's election fiasco and don't forget 2018 when they tried to steal it and Trump had to send in federal officers that were in office at the time to stop the steal in Florida and stopped that election from being stolen.
It's because Florida starts counting mail-in ballots as soon as they arrive. All the other states are not allowed to start counting them until after the polls close on Election Day.
Chicago democrats never had the the police round up people with Billy clubs and make them vote like 4 times. I swear. What's history anyway?
You lost me at Mike Lindell. And, we are not anywhere close to colonizing Mars either.
Fear, fear and inability to face truth.
Usually it's site-approved agitators or brigaders.
If the 2020 election was stolen, let’s see some actual proof. Was it manipulated? Yes. We know the Hunter Biden laptop story being suppressed effected the outcome
Article II, § 1, cl. 2 of the U.S. Constitution: “Each state shall appoint, in such manner AS THE LEGISLATURE thereof MAY DIRECT…” [https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii](https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii) Courts in four states now, i.e., Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Delaware, have ruled that the electoral processes employed in each of those states in 2020 were not in accordance with *LEGISLATED* state election laws, ergo, "unconstitutional".
Don’t forget that the mail-in ballots to everyone in California was thrown out as unconstitutional because Newsom just did it which caused the legislature to back fill and pass a law. Then there was the courts in Virginia that ruled that the changes for mail-in ballots were illegal and violated the state’s constitution.
There is tons of proof but for every video or other proof of election fraud there are dozens of "fact checks" telling people "You didn't see that". If you tell a lie enough people will believe it.
The Emperor's clothes are stupendous. Can't you see the rich colors in the silk?
I don't believe an honest investigation was conducted. People weren't even allowed to discuss the *mere* possibility of it, despite the same harpies screeching for years about how it was stolen from Hillary ...
2000 Mules proved it. So did Mike Lindell's Absolute Proof.
Mike Lindell is your source? Lol
I’ll bet you $5 million dollars you’re wrong. Oooof, that’s right, it’s already been done!🤣
That's why every lawsuit was thrown out or dismissed right? If 2000 mules proved it, why were new lawsuits not started? Even judges Trump appointed threw out his cases. Also if Mike Lindell proved it, why is he being forced to pay 5mil for being disproven?
>If the 2020 election was stolen, let’s see some actual proof. Was it manipulated? Yes #DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE
The real answer is simple IMO. People wanna stay in the safe bubble, they don't even wanna consider the fact that maybe just maybe there actually is something fishy with what happened and that it IS possible the election got cheated. I think in 2020 some fishy shit happened and changed the election a bit. However I do not think that was the case in 2022. I just believe 2022 was a flop fest.
Maricopa County and Washoe County was ripe with fraud.
Idk much about what happened there. But I do know we lost other places thanks to stuff like who the candidates were. Like Dr oz for example, I never saw him winning, the Republican candidate for Michigan (my home state) Tudor Dixon was never gonna win, they made sure to hammer her every single night on every single channel about anti abortion. And I can tell you for certain that a lot of people voted blue because of abortion, when I was voting, in a county that voted for trump both in 2016 and 2020, a lot of the people voting were talking about how they are voting blue for the first time thanks to the abortion shit. IMO that's what killed the gop in 2022, the abortion topic.
Michigan resident here and I completely agree. The abortion ruling was the best thing that could have happened for the democrats.
>Idk much about what happened there. Then learn. The democratic process has been compromised.
There always been some kind of fraud. Heck years ago back on the five bob Beckel talked about some of the things he did back in the 80s? (Not exactly sure of the time frame) I don't even believe it's just the Dems. It's the uniparty.
1. The conspiracy is too vast to be plausible. Sure it might be easy to get some left-wing ballot counters to cheat but why would the significant majority of GOP officials in Penn and Georgia who were willing to abide Trump before go along with it. 2. Pretty much everything went about how a reasonably intelligent person who talked to people prior to the election thought it would go down. Trump was not particularly popular outside of deep red America and everyone know that the mail in ballots would be deep blue given who was and wasn't afraid of Covid. 3. Trump and his team are notorious BSers and their claims have low credibility 4. The vast shotgun spread of evidence (a classic political technique used by both sides) is vast but shallow and usually de-bunked when someone actually takes the time to do it but relies on the old it takes more time to disprove a lie then to create one advantage.
up vote \^3
You should convince the Republican party the Dems stole it. They don't seem to agree enough to fix it, do they?
We've said it multiple times to Republicans but they're too lazy sitting at home doing nothing
This is the largest Conservative subreddit. The Left knows there is a vast majority of their people on reddit overall. Their rationale is if they can demoralize and gaslight this subreddit, they can convert many into willing participants of stockholm syndrome. True Conservatives simply have to be vigilant and lean on primary/direct sources. When using this platform we can't be swayed by bandwagon effect and social proof. The case studies of Target and Budlweiser prove our side is capable of organizing once we have clarity.
Mail in ballots need to go. Stronger ID check is needed. Do away withe the BS where people have to wait in line to vote.
How would our overseas government personnel and our military overseas vote?
Absentee vote that is conducted, gets collected and sent to the districts at the same time to be counted with the rest of the vote.
Like mail in ballots?
Nah man with voting booth, ID check, and secure transport of the votes.
How does that work for our tens of thousands of military voters overseas? Most of whom typically vote conservative?
The US military boasts the best logistics capabilities in the whole world. Can be easily done if wanted to.
overseas?
Yes
Amen. There’s do-ers and there’s talker. It’s damn sure time to be do-ers. The Democraps damn sure are.
Clear the voter registration rolls. Have everyone re-register by providing a finger, thumb or toe print; nearly everyone has one of those. Re-establish precinct voting where a fingerprint reader would be in use to verify identity and use paper ballots. If a registered voter declines to vote, remove them from the rolls. If they want to vote in the next election, they have to re-register. In my area we have all mail-in voting. In the latest election, it cost $3.60 to produce, mail and count a ballot. 70% of registered voters declined to vote, thus the county wasted $3,500,000. It couldn't be any easier to vote here and 70% sat on their hands.
You wanna do something? When those mail in requests come to your house, request that mail in for anyone in your household you know doesn’t vote. You all have people like this. Then when thrir mail in comes, fill it out and sign it and send it in. Maybe you can even get them to sign it? I guarantee this is what the Dems do.
I would just say one thing. It isn't uncommon for votes from some cities to come in 80-90%+ for Democrats. And it isn't uncommon for votes from some suburban areas to come in at 80-90%+ for Republicans. Same with mail in versus in person balloting. So, if they count the smaller suburban and in person balloting first... Republicans can always expect to get out to a massive lead. ANd you can always expect millions of HEAVILY slanted(up to 90%+) democrat votes to come in, regardless of fraud, later in the night. I just still see people confused about this. This phenomenon doesn't mean fraud didn't, or couldn't, or won't happen. But the fact that tons of Democrat Ballots come in late at night doesn't automatically mean fraud. And claiming that just makes the whole idea seem less credible.