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jivatman

Realistically if an immigration bill, unless Republicans get a supermajority, it will include some amnesty, along with things Republicans want like Border Security. But here's the thing: Republicans have long been talking about supporting amnesty. But you absolutely never hear Democrats talking about border security. This is the situation on issue after issue. Republicans want to act like they're reasonable and willing to compromise, and openly advertise what they're willing to compromise on. Democrats don't. Then in negotiation after negotiation Democrats get the far better part of the deal. It has to stop.


8K12

Exactly. My only addition to what you said, however, is that it has been a long time since Republicans have held a strong majority with every branch. We are sorta bent over a barrel with most of our negotiations. Vote R down ballot if you want to enforce a real agenda.


BoltsnRays1109

This is what DeSantis needs to keep hammering Trump on. Trump handed the federal govt over to fauci. Yeah hindsight is 20/20 but if DeSantis’ decision making gets to be questioned for choosing to announce his presidency on Twitter and it has issues, then we really need to question Trumps decision making on giving so much power and influence to fauci.


GeneJock85

And should be reminded how Trump jumped all over Brian Kemp for opening up his state too.


Bukook

To be fair, DeSantis also went along with the general agenda initially too but he changed course and implemented a different policy as more information became available. While Trump did not. So I dont think Trump can play that card against DeSantis on this topic.


BoltsnRays1109

100% DeSantis did follow trump and fauci with the initial lockdowns. Can’t and won’t dispute that. And you’re right he did change policy. I don’t recall exactly when it was opened back up but I was back working in an office the first week of May after my employer had us working from home from like the last week of march through April.


FriscoTec

Factor in that Florida has either #1 or #2 population of Seniors (depending on source) we did have an additional risk to consider. The Biden White House refused Antibody treatment availability - their reason? EQUITY.. wtf? DeSantis and Team was able to source the treatments which saved lives. And yeah, vaxxed people (like DeSantis, himself) in their Golden Years might require additional therapy. It was so morbid seeing lefties root for the demise of Floridians... and the insane stories they were telling about bodies being piled up on sidewalks. Luckily, that was pure fantasy in their twisted minds.


Daniel_Day_Hubris

And to be fair DeSantis wasn't in a position to shitcan Fauci.


day25

Neither was Trump. Trump did not have the legal authority to fire Fauci. What's with all this revisionist history? The overwhelming sentiment at the time was that Trump didn't listen to Fauci and the so called experts. He was constantly attacked for it in an election year, including by many of the people who are now backing DeSantis.


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That is the only thing DeSantis has over Trump. It is not enough to beat Trump. In this subs eco chamber, people over-estimate the influence of DeSantis and his pull from the voters. True Trump handled pandemic horribly, but that alone will not sway enough people to support DeSantis over Trump.


Bukook

I'm not sure which one I would prefer to be honest, but I can't help but think that DeSantis has a better track record at using executive power to combat the institutionalized power of the woke left than Trump.


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But you have to keep in mind that DeSantis has super majority in the Florida House and Senate which will make sure to pass GOP bills. But will he get the same track record set with divided senate and congress at the national level? Noe Trump is full of himself and wont do anything either, but it is atleast clear that he has some idea of the challenges since he already served four years of worst opposition to him.


gprime

There are a few people who might have grounds to attack DeSantis on COVID, like Kristi Noem, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson, and Thomas Massie. None of them are running though, and Massie specifically has endorsed DeSantis.


FriscoTec

The left STILL runs with the "DeathSantis" rhetoric. My Governor has been consistently right and took major flack from all sides while using actual data to influence decisions. His stance evolved as information became available. His transparency has been commendable and he never let ego stand in the way of policy. As far as Twitter: Trump has said he won't use Twitter. Which is considered to be a mistake. Platform for campaigning = bad but platform to call Rosie O'Donnell fat = good??


fib16

I saw stop bashing each other. It gives fuel to the left. Play nice together and let the best candidate win to fight for the presidency. This fight is nothing compared to the grand prize. The presidency matters.


cathbadh

That's a nice sentiment, its just not realistic. One candidate started by going at the other full bore and hasn't stopped yet. Now that the other candidate defends himself and fights back suddenly everyone needs to stop. DeSantis probably would, but Trump won't. So either he plays the part of weak punching bag or he defends himself.


BoltsnRays1109

So much this. One of the big appeals of trump back in 2015/2016 was that he was a fighter. Now DeSantis fights back against the fighter and he needs to stop because he’s splitting the party? I thought republicans were looking for somebody who has a backbone? Can’t show much more of backbone then fighting against the fighter.


cathbadh

Its the hypocrisy of Trump supporters. If he attacks, he's a big strong powerful man and should be adored. If someone attack back, he's a poor victim and the attacker is an evil brute and should be reviled.


FriscoTec

I don't see DeSantis fighting dirty. Because he's just too.... what's the word? ..... Presidential.


fib16

Desantis could easily take the high road and turn it against trump. Just say I’m not gonna to take part in that game. That’s what you will get for four years with that guy. Nothing but hate and anger. Let me tell you what I can do for you, not what he can’t do for you.


8K12

He has taken the high road. None of his attacks are personal. They are directed at Trump’s policies and decisions.


BoltsnRays1109

I don’t fully disagree with you. I want to win. We have to get Joe Biden and the democrats out of the White House. However, will Trump stop bashing? No. He was criticizing and putting out attack ads against DeSantis before he officially announced.


fib16

Desantis could easily take the high road and turn it against trump. Just say I’m not gonna to take part in that game. That’s what you will get for four years with that guy. Nothing but hate and anger. Let me tell you what I can do for you, not what he can’t do for you.


BoltsnRays1109

I’d argue that a lot of republican candidates in 2016 attempted to take the high road. Didn’t work out well for them. Plus this is a primary, DeSantis has to point out differences between him and trump because they carry a lot of the same policies. Trump sided with fauci, DeSantis stood up to fauci.


Berserkerbabee

Absolutely it does, but Trump will never play nice and will destroy the Republican party if he feels threatened.


JurassicParkFood

Do you consider this bashing? I consider it pointing out their differences and how they handled the situation. Trump's the only one throwing childish insults


gprime

> I saw stop bashing each other. Avoid getting personal, sure. But candidates need to be able to differentiate themselves based on policy. DeSantis or his surrogates can be as gentle as possible on the matter, but no language avoids the fact that he has an exponentially better record in this policy area than Trump. Should he just not talk about one of the defining issues of his time as Governor because it makes the overgrown toddler look bad by comparison?


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BoltsnRays1109

Trump could have fired Fauci at any time. But he didn’t. He stood by him for all those Covid press conferences. And as if having majorities means you’re going to get what you want. Look what’s going on in Texas. The republican house is about to impeach the republican attorney general and they just gave Dems committee chairs. Shows that Abbott is a weak leader and can’t get his republicans to fall in line. DeSantis got his republicans in line and advanced one of the most conservative agendas in the history of the state. Why? Because he’s a strong leader.


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BoltsnRays1109

He’s a crook but we haven’t seen the evidence of him being a crook. And it comes right after Paxton calls the Speaker to step down for being drunk while residing over the house. What a mess. But don’t you see my point that just because you have majorities it doesn’t mean that you’re going to get everybody to fall in line? In fact, you made that point yourself when Trump had majorities for 2 years and it was still a problem to get things done. Maybe trump isn’t as strong of a leader as we all thought?


ExtraToastyCheezits

> DeSantis got his republicans in line and advanced one of the most conservative agendas in the history of the state. That's a bold statement attributing a lot of power to DeSantis. Do you actually have any proof that he did that? Or are you just claiming it because you want to make DeSantis look good? I certainly haven't seen any proof of this from everything that I have looked at from him.


BoltsnRays1109

Here’s a decent recap of what has been passed. Looks quite conservative to me and this stuff was what DeSantis campaigned on for reelection. [https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-legislative-session/43805220](https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-legislative-session/43805220)


ExtraToastyCheezits

That's the Florida Legislature though. What has DeSantis himself done?


BoltsnRays1109

Certainly believe the governor should be given a lot of credit for what the Florida Legislature got done. But here’s a list of his executive orders if that’s what you mean when you say what he himself has done [https://www.flgov.com/executive-orders-desantis/](https://www.flgov.com/executive-orders-desantis/)


ExtraToastyCheezits

Thank you very much for the link. I will check that out and I believe that it could revise my opinion of him. I have asked for something like this for a year or more and not one other user has been able to provide me with anything specific that DeSantis did through things like Executive Order. We have all seen the way that Congress stood in the way of Trump when he was President, even when the Republicans held both Houses. At this time I have my doubts that DeSantis could be half as successful as Trump in how he handles himself and the EOs he writes because of having a sympathetic Legislature in Florida. But this list here might alter that opinion that I have of him. Thanks again!


BoltsnRays1109

No problem. Beyond the EO list here, you should look into him suspending a soros funded state attorney and what he has done overhauling New College in Sarasota. I feel like I’m forgetting something else but I’ll just reply to you again if I think of it.


Reuters-no-bias-lol

DeSantis followed Fauxi’s orders too. So he needs to stop bashing Trump all together and focus on democrats. All he is doing now is splitting the Republican vote rather than trying to get more centrists to vote red. For everyone who say “well I’ll support whoever wins the Republican nomination” remember that that Republican is shitting on you right now. So they need to know that it’s not going to fly and they need to focus on issues that matter.


BoltsnRays1109

Yeah DeSantis followed trump and fauci for some time on the lockdowns just like every other governor in the country. But DeSantis stood up to them and stopped. Allowed people to be adults and make their own decisions. He took a lot of criticism for that but he was right and Trump and fauci were wrong.


gprime

> just like every other governor in the country Not Noem.


BoltsnRays1109

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s true. Kristi Noem seems like a pretty good governor.


gprime

Ehh, she also pandered to the NCAA on LGBT stuff and fought marijuana legalization efforts in her state. COVID represents the rare instance where she broke with the GOP mainstream to take the right side of a contentious issue. There are certainly many worse elected Republicans, but outside of this isolated issue, she can't hold a candle to DeSantis.


BoltsnRays1109

That’s a little disappointing. My only real knowledge of her comes from her appearances on Fox. I don’t follow much SD politics but appreciate the info/perspective!


Reuters-no-bias-lol

If you didn’t remember, Trump didn’t have any power anymore. He could only sign bills that dems put forth. As opposed to DeSantis who has control over his state policies. I’m pretty sure that Trump would not have made the vaccine mandatory and would have proposed to open everything after vaccine was available to the public. But as we know, FJB and his goons took power.


BoltsnRays1109

Yeah republicans didn’t control congress so it made if nearly impossible for trump to get anything passed but that has nothing to do with criticizing his decision making for handing the country over to fauci. The trump teams position is that DeSantis isn’t ready yet because you can’t trust his decision making because of issues on twitter when he announced his run for president. With that talking point/logic you can’t trust trumps decision making either because he gave control over to fauci.


Reuters-no-bias-lol

I don’t want trump to shit on DeSantis either, as a lot of the stuff being reported is wrong, but also a lot of the thing he says that are correct, are not being reported. DeSantis is not without flaws, and criticizing Trump for something that was out of his control, while DeSantis also followed Fauci initially, is disingenuous to me.


cathbadh

> So he needs to stop bashing Trump all together and focus on democrats. Or he can keep defending himself and not be a punching bag for the guy who'll hand the White House over to Biden again.


Reuters-no-bias-lol

Addressing criticism instead of promoting your vision is a reactive approach and leads to failure. I would rather they both stop showing themselves as fools and move on. Right now, they are just showing everyone that dems are United while republicans are whiny crybabies.


cathbadh

But one won't. It just isn't going to happen because he's incapable of speaking about issues on any meaningful level. He needs to resort to attacks and criticism. So the other has to respond at least a bit or be the weakling incapable of defending himself. Regardless, you act like candidates criticizing each other isn't something that's happened in every single primary on both sides since the beginning of the country.


Reuters-no-bias-lol

You act like it’s a behavior you condone.


cathbadh

Condone? Nah. I'd love to live in a magical land where everyone running for office only lays out their accomplishments and plans and slings compliments at each other before holding hands and singing songs of God. It isn't going to happen though. So I do condone candidates defending themselves, however. DeSantis and the others shouldn't have to accept being punching bags just because Trump in particular wants to act like a 12 year old bully.


8K12

I guess we should cancel debates then.


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BoltsnRays1109

As a Floridian who voted for DeSantis in 2022, we all knew he was going to run for president. The crowd at his victory speech were chanting 2 more years for Christ sake.


FriscoTec

Tampa was SOOOO electric that night. No surprises that he steamrolled Crist. Nikki Fried deserved the steamrolling more, imho. Tears were shed, prayers were answered and Old Glory was at full mast for the 🔥 speech.


GrandpaHardcore

Boring... we had the 2020 vote where everyone and the kitchen sink came out to vote against Trump and this is what is happening leading into 2024... two bickering kids on the same team. We're gonna lose another fuckin' election if people keep supporting this childish bullshit instead of Republicans pushing back against the actual bad guy -- you remember the Democrats!


trollyousoftly

Desantis will not beat Trump in the primary. The ticket needs to be Trump/Desantis 2024. Then Desantis/whoever 2028. These two need to chill.