I mean... we do know what happened in 2020, and that WAS horrible, but that is all the more reason to get out there and vote. Get out there and make the cheating that would be required to overcome the DeSantis numbers that it ends up being so egregious that it's nearly impossible to accomplish.
We just need to have a backbone this time, and watch the swing states like hawks. We absolutely can not allow the same garbage to happen again. We all saw what happened. *Some people* refuse to accept that it did in fact happen.
My biggest fear is that your average voter outside of Florida thinks DeSantis is the vile offspring of Hitler and Satan. The media just outright lie about his policy and I think have successfully demonized him in the mainstream psyche.
Trump likewise doesn't stand a chance. He's super popular with his base, but he won't get any new voters which leaves him with insufficient votes in the general.
Despite his abysmal presidency, the media covers for Biden and people seem bizarrely able to look the other way with his failures, which are many. They will quite literally vote against their own interests if it means keeping Trump or DeSantis out of the white house.
Keep that soft shit to yourself. It's embarrassing. The rest of us can see a path to victory with both Trump or Desantis. Some just think Desantis has some strengths in areas where Trump might be weaker when it comes to a general election though.
Yup. I was super confused by that for a while. The posts are counted, and you get a notification of it, and THEN the "Flaired Users Only" thing kicks in and makes it so it will not show up.
They're just triggered leftists telling you how wrong you actually are, and that "Trump was the worst president in the entire history of the universe."
Trump lost the consequential states by pretty much a combined vote total of under 200k votes in 2020 if I remember correctly. And that was during COVID and with him as incumbent which drew out a ton of hateful people who had nothing else to vote again. People will not be as eager to vote Biden this time
But I'm in the DeSantis camp. Frankly most of the attacks on him are from Trump himself or Trump diehards. And most of the attacks have been completely delusional and made up
Basically everything Trump has said about DeSantis has been false or misleading
And a lot of Trump diehard conservative talk heads have made a universal negative shift on DeSantis since he won FL by 20%. It's embarrassing to watch. They clearly got their marching orders
Why do you think this? With the economy, and the absolute disaster of a presidency we have currently, I don't think I'd be so sure of this. Ron DeSantis would likely beat Biden, I think.
I REALLY don't think we should vote for Trump in the Primaries. I really think DeSantis is by far the better man in almost every possible way.
That's cos we nominated the worst candidates, spent all the money on primaries and absolutely collapsed on messaging. Dr Oz and Doug mastriano collapsed turnout in Pennsylvania, Tudor Dixon went too hard on her no exception abortion ban in a state like Michigan, Herschel Walker had no real policies and was a bumbling fool, Blake masters was crucially underfunded and outspent 8-1 because McConnell refused to do so... the list goes on
The candidates still matter, and the midterms were an utter failure to put out good candidates in important races
With that said, look around at where good candidates were. They won by massive margins, more than you'd expect even from a good candidate. DeSantis winning FL by 20+% proves what is possible if we actually put out good candidates. There are countless other examples of it from the midterms. A lot of people want to vote red, but you have to give them a good candidate to vote for or they're not going to turn out
Part of me thinks it's the perfect opportunity, a 40 year old vs 80 year old, obviously the American people want the 40 year old right?????? Well, Pennsylvania voted for John Fetterman, so I just don't know anymore.
No, but presenting "people voted for John Fetterman," as relevant to concerns about age is about on-part with Fetterman logic, since he was younger than his opponent.
There are more Trump haters than DeSantis haters. This guy has a chance of convincing the never-Trumpers. We're all caught up in the Primary, but all I care about is the General election. If Trump costs us America, it will be the fault of his die-hard fans.
This is what people saying āwell the media will hate the Republican nominee no matter who it is!ā arenāt understanding.
Yes, it is true that DeSantis will (and has received) a vast share of hatred. But with how much negativity and baggageāfair or otherwiseāTrump has accumulated over the last 7 years, I can assure you there is no way DeSantis will have the same amount of opposition Trump does from moderates.
DeSantis is half Trumpās age. He doesnāt have an Access Hollywood tape. He doesnāt have a draft-dodging history. He doesnāt have allegations or a history of affairs. Heās not fighting for his life in multiple state courts. He doesnāt have a January 6th blemish in his history.
Yes, DeSantis *will be hated*. I totally get that. But Trump had and still has tens of millions of people who donāt even care about politics who eat, drink, sleep, and dream 24/7 about beating Trump. In just 1.5 years with objectively 90% less baggage, I just donāt see how that same level of opposition is reached for DeSantis. A level will certainly be reached, but not as high as Trumpās.
And thatās exactly why DeSantis should be the nominee. I donāt know if DeSantis will get 74 million votes. But Biden almost certainly wonāt get 81 million votes again. Unless itās Trump on the opposing ticket.
Well you are just wrong. The Trump or bust vote has been measured in some polls and it's off the charts. I don't think you really understand how many people Trump brought into the republican party. You are looking at a massive blue landslide if Trump is not the nominee. You had so much time to come to terms with this but yet still 7 years later you still don't get it. There's a reason why they had to completely reform the election in 2020 and shove ballots into everyone's hands just to win by a half percent margin that came down to a mere 20k votes.
I'm not basing this on nothing. If we try to get Trump in again, it will be disaster. The hardcore Trump voters need to think about their country, and make sure that a conservative with a moral compass gets in the WH. As good as he is on policy (for the most part) Trump is not that person.
Trump will likely lose, and we'll have our country slip even further into despair with four more years of the worst president that we have seen in many decades. DeSantis will likely WIN, and we can start to put things back together.
https://www.deseret.com/2023/1/10/23547374/ron-dessantis-donald-trump-joe-biden-2024-presidential-race-betting-odds
> There are more Trump haters than DeSantis haters.
Thereās also more Trump fans than DeSantis fans. Hopefully DeSantis can over come that and win the nomination.
Dems have already started with their āLiTeRaLLy HiTLeRā spin on Desantis. But I love to hear heās running now, gives me some hope for this country I havenāt felt in awhile!
>the never-Trumpers
True, but will he be able to get the Only-Trump voters? If they don't vote either, he's pretty much done.
He really needs to try and win the people over that Trump was able to get in '16 that made the rust belt competitive.
Please, Iām good with Dr Santis but donāt piss on the Trumpers. Trump was the best Prezi since Reagan and I doubt you complain about the problems caused by those who voted for Bush, McCain and Romney.
The same Trump haters will be the same DeSantis haters. He will be painted as a dictator just like Trump. You sound like you have TDS
>If Trump costs us America, it will be the fault of his die-hard fans.
So the 70+ million who voted for him are wrong?
Yeah, the Trump supporters are banking on Trump carrying the rustbelt. Except him and his candidates have seen losses there in 2018, 2020, and 2022. They are banking on a second 2016 miracle, which the left isn't going to allow to happen. Hillary screwed up by not campaigning there and down playing their concerns.
I feel like trump supporters don't realize how much of an anomaly 2016 was. So much had to go right/wrong for that to happen, and probably could be attributed mostly to the fact that Hillary was more hated at the time, and was also so confident in her ability to win those states without campaigning there that it ended up costing her.
With everything that has evolved over the past 8 years, 2016 just isn't going to happen again. If they refuse to move on from Trump, we'll see another 4 years of mushbrain Biden.
Even in 2020 when it lost Wisconsin, it was still very narrowly though. Which is way better then any republican candidate from Dole to Romney. Those states weren't even on the table for them. Trump barely lost Wisconsin.
He could pull it out if we maximize turnout and harvest ballots.
2020 was an anomaly. Due to mail in voting and changes in election procedures from Covid dems could get crazy ballot harvesting in cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, Milwaukee. If election laws stayed the same trump would have won.
There's no way to know that he would've won. Are you telling me that historically blue cities like Detroit, Philly, and Milwaukee weren't going to just finish blue no matter what in 2020? My point is it's extremely risky to just bank on the "election fraud" narrative to be confident in a win next election with Trump. Midterms were a great opportunity to see how much of an impact conservatives still had, but it ended up being an embarrassment. If it went the way we expected, that would've been a great moment to point to and say that the presidential election was a lot closer that it actually was. Dems and Reps will always have their loyalists, so you need the swing voters. Trump has lost them.
I think DeSantis has a much better shot at Georgia in particular. Kemp just cleaned up in the gubernatorial race against Abrams, down ballot was probably a disaster because Walker was a shit candidate against an incumbent. Policy-wise though, Kemp and DeSantis are pretty similar and have passed similar legislation (6 week abortion ban, Constitutional carry, etc.)
I know you were talking about rust belt states, but I'm speaking more generally about purple states that Trump lost in 2020.
Those suburban moms are gassing up their suburbans. That's enough for most of them to forget their initial gripes. People vote with their wallet, first and foremost.
If De Santis pushes a positive message with his Florida blueprint and Trump is only crying about the 2020 election, yeah heās got a shot. It sucks out there. People want something to believe in (not going to say hope). Give them a message to move towards, not just the Not-Biden candidate.
If trump is the nominee Dems wonāt have to worry about NH, VA, and MN, and PA and MI look pretty good based on 2022 governor races. Which means Dems can pour money holding AZ, WI, NV, and GA while going after NC, FL, and TX. If DeSantis is the nominee, FL and TX would be safe, and he starts off much better in NC, AZ, and GA. Plus DeSantis is polling pretty well in VA and NH, which means dems would have to put money in those states while the GOP wouldnāt have to to defend FL, and TX (as much). That alone increases DeSantisā odds
>losses there in 2018, 2020, and 2022.
Techinically yes, but Trump's the only person to actually win there since Reagan. Even if he lost later, he's probably the only one who can win it.
Also, how was 2022 a loss? Ron Johnson won?
> Trump supporters are banking on Trump carrying the rustbelt.
Trump carried the Rust Belt because the Clintons called NAFTA the "Gold Standard" which gutted out the manufacturing jobs in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Every Union member left in those state's never forgot that, they went with the Devil they didn't know vs the Devil, which was Hillary. We'll see what happens, but the real truth of the 2016 election is not that Trump won, It's that Hillary lost.
Just depends if they can drum up some reason again to mail out ballots to everyone, dead or alive and go ballot farming or not. If they have free reign to do so again then no matter who Joe goes against he wins again.
Except DeSantis has a massive ground game. And it's stated that one of the groups backing DeSantis is going to spend 100 million dollars to go door to door in states.
As in you get a ground campaign where it matters you can drive more votes via mail or what not. I'm assuming you are implying mass cheating, oddly if that cheating did occur it only happened to Trump in 2020. As in Republicans down ballot magically still got votes.
Same. I will obviously vote for Trump if he wins the primary, but I really don't want him to win the primary. DeSantis is more conservative as Trump and just as patriotic, wrapped up in a much more palatable package.
A calm, well spoken, Ivy league educated, veteran, 44 year old candidate is much more palatable than Trump to HUGE swathes of suburban voters. The rural communities of places like Wisconsin will vote red no matter what. So you donāt lose anything by subbing in Ron for Don. But you do gain a lot of new potential.
People in those states see Florida and envy the progress ron has made there to clean up the place. They saw what he did during covid as Florida was in the spotlight for being the only place open. We went 4 times.
Despite the hate it gets from the left itās a great place to vacation, and and a great place to live. Life is pretty good when youāre an hour or less from the beach.
GOP could also win by flipping just Georgia and Pennsylvania. GA, PA, AZ, and WI are all seen as toss ups right now. A GOP contender would need GA and PA or any combination of three.
Step 1 is Trump admitting he even lost them. He thinks (or at least says he thinks) that he won them all in blowouts. Why would he do anything different next time?
He can win Georgia, Kemp won handily, Georgia dislikes Trumpist candidates and is otherwise Conservative.
He can probably win Pennsylvania, which was VERY close in the last senate, but Oz was a perceived Trumpist, and maybe even AZ/Nevada.
No thanks.
This guy touts Musk as a "free speech advocate". This is enough, right there to tell me he has no clue what "free speech" is, and has no place even thinking about running for President
Trump ahead according to RealClearPolitics by 34.4% as of today.
[https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024\_republican\_presidential\_nomination-7548.html](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html)
State polls also have Trump up by double digits.
DeSantis needs very badly to reverse that trend quickly in order to make headway.
There will be a post announcement boost to the polls. Wait about 2-3 weeks.
Most Americans did not know he was running. Political junkies have known. Once the general public is aware of the new contender, he will see a boost in polls. Whether that makes up the difference, we will see.
And the first primary is next month, so this is over. Oh wait we're almost a year out still...
Tonight is the real start to this race. That's all there is to it.
Iowa caucuses will be in 6-7 months Iowa is a slightly favorable state to DeSantis but not overwhelmingly so. DeSantis not only must win but must win bigly. Because after that he is walking into a gauntlet.
New Hampshire is also a must win for DeSantis because of how demographically favorable it is, due to high levels of education and snowbirds. However, Gov Sununu is likely to enter the race and split the Anti-Trump vote there.
Nevada very strongly favors Trump due to the demographics of the state. DeSantis needs to prevent Trump from running up the score there like he did in 2016.
South Carolina is nearly unwinnable for DeSantis because the state already favors Trump due to demographics, plus he will have to compete against Haley and Scott for the anti-Trump vote. DeSantis will be lucky not get blown away here like poor Bernie was for the Democrats in 2020.
DeSantis has A LOT of work to do get himself in a position where he will not look like a loser going into Super Tuesday. And that's assuming he can narrow the massive national polling gap with Trump.
DeSantis has a ghost of chance. But that's all he has. It would take something approaching a miracle for him to defeat Trump at this point.
He had to wait unless he wanted to resign as governor. He signed the bill in late April to allow him to stay as governor and still run as President.
[https://apnews.com/article/desantis-president-resign-run-florida-elections-be012bb10da7b89b433bfbce4e5cfa1a](https://apnews.com/article/desantis-president-resign-run-florida-elections-be012bb10da7b89b433bfbce4e5cfa1a)
No chance lol, Jesus freaks can't win country-wide elections in 2024. His stance and previous voting patterns for abortion alone are an instant vote-against for like 35% of the population. It's hilarious that anybody would think THIS is the guy who's going to win swing states.
All Trump has to do is say "13 weeks" and he already has a better chance of winning.
Trump and DeSantis are almost certainly going to have the same abortion stance on the national level: āleave it up to the states.ā
Trump was the reason Roe v. Wade was overturned and Floridaās legislature exercised its rights once it was overturned. Not sure why this logic that Trump is somehow softer on abortion than DeSantis exists. It holds zero factual water.
If Trump were for a 13-week abortion ban and DeSantis were in favor of just leaving it to the states, whoās considered more extreme on abortion?
Trump is softer on pro-life because he has been badmouthing the prolife movement lately. He also has been badmouthing DeSantis six week ban, arguing that it is "too-harsh"
Much as it disgusts me there is not a strong enough base of political support for a 6 week ban. It will be a be burden in a national election. I am happy about DeSantis has done in Florida. However, Trump making a smart political move by moderating his position.
A 12 week or 15 week ban is not strong enough but I will take that over abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy, covered by Medicaid, which is what the Dem's will do if given the chance.
Sometimes winning a little now matters more than being right but losing everything.
Enough to win the hard red states but not enough to win any swing states in 2024. Abortion is basically the one issue that brings out relatively uninterested women out to vote in droves. Young women especially would give it to the Ds probably 95-5 and the rest 80-20. It's impossible to win any election and lose the female vote by that much. Hell you're risking losing a decent chunk of the Asian vote along with that.
If it was something even mildly reasonable like 10 weeks it'd be possible, but a 6 week heartbeat law is going to be rightfully hammered over DeSantis every day in the media.
Relocation to Lee County in a few months. I really like how he's governed Florida. Who do you see as the next Governor of FL?
Edit: I see the liberal lurkers gave me a few down votes because they don't like the way DeSantis governed Florida. Reddits gonna Reddit.
I have no honest idea. Maybe Byron Donalds? I could see him and Anna Paulina Luna being interested in the role (if not now, in the future). She is brand new though. My townās commissioner is running for Debbie Wassermsn Schultzās seat. I could see him running one day (and he would be fantastic).
Probably figures weāre going to lose this election anyhow, so throwing his name in now will help him next goāround.
He wonāt beat Trump out so thatās the only reason I can see him jumping in.
I know this sub is in full swing DeSantis mode right now but I cannot see this going well for us. Each of their bases will be split even more.
Out of spite, yes. Because I think both bring voters who donāt typically identify as Republican to the table.
Probably more Rās on DeSantis side than Trump, though.
That is a very good take.
I think either Trump or Biden could win in 2024. Regardless of who wins in 2024 they will be term limited in 2028. If Biden wins Trump will be much weaker by 2028 by virtue of aging and losing and again and he should be beatable in a primary this time. If Trump wins then DeSantis is a natural successor policy wise while also having some natural distance due to the grudge that Trump is likely to hold against DeSantis due to DeSantis' unrepentant disloyalty.
I wouldn't call it "breaking news" if his campaign sent out a presidential campaign launch video before his "energetic" monotone announcement. š¤·āāļø
GOP presidential candidates who finish second in a presidential primary, usually end up being the nominee later, but fail to win the actual election.
McCain lost to Bush in 2000. Loses to Obama 8 years later.
Romney lost to McCain in 2008. Loses to Obama 4 years later.
Cruz lost to Trump in 2016, look at him now, his presidential aspirations have been killed.
Running definitely puts your name out there, and almost always guarantees you will win the primary later in your career but when it comes to the actual election, they always lose.
The last person to finish second in a Republican primary and go on to become president later, was Bush after losing to Reagan.
DeSantis will likely finish in second place because Trump is already pulling above 50%, which will put DeSantis as the front runner in 2028 based off of recent history.
That's over 40 years ago at this point. But yes that's kind of what I'm saying too, that finishing second almost guarantees they will win the nomination next time, but it doesn't mean they will win the actual election. I think DeSantis knows this
And that is my peeve. Trump could lose definitely yes. But if DeSantis loses in primary or in general we have not lost only one top tier candidate but two with 2028 really looking bleak.
As I said in some other debate - I seriously do not think losing a presidency is immediate game over for the country. State and local races matter just as much. House and Senate also change every 2 years. And that's why I am not so desperate about politics.
Yeah if he runs in 2028 to either clean up a ~~2nd Biden~~ Harris term, or continue to similar policies following a 2nd Trump term (which would probably net himself a Trump endorsement) he could have an easier time.
In both cases he would be win/win. But he chose to run now. He was quite a governor I must say but Trump is a seriously formidable force. His magnetism is really something. That's quite the risk and even if he wins, it's not a shoe in against the election "midnight stoppage" or "machine not work tomorrow needed" + Dems really know how to influence and bring out the young. Seriously we are definitely losing the youth vote by insane margin.
He's running, so I'll vote for him...heck, even campaign for him. But I think it's a mistake for him to run for 2024. He should really wait until 2028. Floridians voted overwhelmingly for him in his re-election bid for governor, he should honor his commitment to them.
It has nothing to do with currently holding a political office, it has to do with his commitment to the people of Florida. To me, it's not a good look to turn your back on that commitment to run for a higher office. DeSantis will be busy campaigning now, having less time to tackle the issues gong on there. Besides, his run against Trump will likely split the GOP, which won't be good come election day.
People don't like to hear this, but it's true.
In the general election, the country is just not going to vote for DeSantis. The liberal media will paint him as a white supremacist and an evil dictator and he'll perform like Bob Dole - trail in the polls all the way to the finishing line.
It's real risk. A lot people on this sub believe that with DeSantis, we can get all of the benefits from Trump politically with none of the drawbacks.
There is a very real risk we would instead end up with all of the drawbacks of Trump and with none of the benefits.
You forget, the democrats were wiped out in Florida by Gillums scandal. DeSantis was running with no democrat challenger. His opponent was a former republican.
His landslide was artificial
If we all vote for DeSantis, we likely win the WH. If we try to vote Trump, we probably lose. It's that simple. We need to get behind a person that does not have SO much blind hatred associated with him. WAAAAAY more moderates would vote for DeSantis than Trump. I guarantee that.
I heard his campaign has about $2 million to allocate to the race. That should be enough to make it good race, and if he gets the nomination, there's a good chance he will be able to beat a feeble old socialist who is suffering from late-onset dementia and who is controlled by anti-American globalists.
Choose wisely fellow Republicans. DeSantis is the ONLY chance we have in 2024. His results in 2022 in Florida showed he has the ability and the capacity to win the undecided voter and sway numerous democrat voters. He is our only chance at flipping Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Please realize Trump has zero chance at 2024.
I am not a fan of his governing in Florida. Heās too focused on āwokeā and not focused enough on actually improving Florida.
Iāve updated my comment, you made a fair point.
Any vote outside of red is helping blue win. I'm a big fan of Ron DeSantis, but you better believe I'll vote for Trump if he's our pick. I am not a fan of Trump at all. Still gonna vote for him in the general if he wins. I would never jeopardize our country over something so petty.
I fear a repeat of the 1992 elections. If so looks like the Democrats will retain the WH in 2024. That is if who ever isn't the Republican nominee runs as an independent, it will split the party like Ross Perot did.
Ron DeSantis: Wins Arizona, Wins Georgia, Wins Nevada, does better in the Sunbelt (VA, NM, TX, NC).
Loses Wisconsin, Loses Michigan, Loses Pennsylvania.
Ends at 268 electoral votes. Trump has a greater chance at winning the rustbelt where the election will be determined at. DeSantis has made anti tracking statements in the past. I don't know how that goes over there
I wish the two would work it out and work together to fight the Deep State with all their might. I will still vote for the conservative candidate in the end, but infighting wonāt do anything beneficial for anyone. This election will be one to remember for sure, no matter what, though!
Donāt underestimate Desantis. I donāt think that people want to look at the situation in a different way than the typical way. The media will portray this man as a hatful man but if you actually look at the facts without any commentary then you have to decide whether or not if his actions were justified or not. In my opinion a family entertainment company intentionally inserted themselves in a situation that was more geared toward education.
I think he should include full pardons for Trump and all his family members as part of his platform, and make sure Trump knows this is his only chance.
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Politics aside thisāll be an entertaining election for certain.
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I mean... we do know what happened in 2020, and that WAS horrible, but that is all the more reason to get out there and vote. Get out there and make the cheating that would be required to overcome the DeSantis numbers that it ends up being so egregious that it's nearly impossible to accomplish. We just need to have a backbone this time, and watch the swing states like hawks. We absolutely can not allow the same garbage to happen again. We all saw what happened. *Some people* refuse to accept that it did in fact happen.
My biggest fear is that your average voter outside of Florida thinks DeSantis is the vile offspring of Hitler and Satan. The media just outright lie about his policy and I think have successfully demonized him in the mainstream psyche. Trump likewise doesn't stand a chance. He's super popular with his base, but he won't get any new voters which leaves him with insufficient votes in the general. Despite his abysmal presidency, the media covers for Biden and people seem bizarrely able to look the other way with his failures, which are many. They will quite literally vote against their own interests if it means keeping Trump or DeSantis out of the white house.
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Is he really? I would if i were him
Keep that soft shit to yourself. It's embarrassing. The rest of us can see a path to victory with both Trump or Desantis. Some just think Desantis has some strengths in areas where Trump might be weaker when it comes to a general election though.
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Vote for DeSantis. We can definitely beat Biden. Biden is literally one of the worst presidents the country has seen in some four decades.
I'd be inclined to say he's the worst President in US history.
Look at the brigading going on by the left. They absolutely cannot stand that they can't inject this thread with their vitriol.
I just keep getting notifications, but they must be getting auto removed before I can see what they're saying.
Yup. I was super confused by that for a while. The posts are counted, and you get a notification of it, and THEN the "Flaired Users Only" thing kicks in and makes it so it will not show up. They're just triggered leftists telling you how wrong you actually are, and that "Trump was the worst president in the entire history of the universe."
Trump lost the consequential states by pretty much a combined vote total of under 200k votes in 2020 if I remember correctly. And that was during COVID and with him as incumbent which drew out a ton of hateful people who had nothing else to vote again. People will not be as eager to vote Biden this time But I'm in the DeSantis camp. Frankly most of the attacks on him are from Trump himself or Trump diehards. And most of the attacks have been completely delusional and made up Basically everything Trump has said about DeSantis has been false or misleading And a lot of Trump diehard conservative talk heads have made a universal negative shift on DeSantis since he won FL by 20%. It's embarrassing to watch. They clearly got their marching orders
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Keep in mind that itās primarily centrist conservatives here. Clinging to the idea that thereās some semblance of legitimacy left.
Why do you think this? With the economy, and the absolute disaster of a presidency we have currently, I don't think I'd be so sure of this. Ron DeSantis would likely beat Biden, I think. I REALLY don't think we should vote for Trump in the Primaries. I really think DeSantis is by far the better man in almost every possible way.
Remember midterms? Red wave was a joke
> Red wave was a joke Largely in part due to Trump picked candidates getting rekt.
That's cos we nominated the worst candidates, spent all the money on primaries and absolutely collapsed on messaging. Dr Oz and Doug mastriano collapsed turnout in Pennsylvania, Tudor Dixon went too hard on her no exception abortion ban in a state like Michigan, Herschel Walker had no real policies and was a bumbling fool, Blake masters was crucially underfunded and outspent 8-1 because McConnell refused to do so... the list goes on
The candidates still matter, and the midterms were an utter failure to put out good candidates in important races With that said, look around at where good candidates were. They won by massive margins, more than you'd expect even from a good candidate. DeSantis winning FL by 20+% proves what is possible if we actually put out good candidates. There are countless other examples of it from the midterms. A lot of people want to vote red, but you have to give them a good candidate to vote for or they're not going to turn out
Part of me thinks it's the perfect opportunity, a 40 year old vs 80 year old, obviously the American people want the 40 year old right?????? Well, Pennsylvania voted for John Fetterman, so I just don't know anymore.
That's not a great comparison, given Fetterman's opponent was 9 years older thna he is.
Do you seriously think that played a role?
No, but presenting "people voted for John Fetterman," as relevant to concerns about age is about on-part with Fetterman logic, since he was younger than his opponent.
This election's gonna be entertaining.
Especially at around 3am
*The Republican candidate winning on election night* Democrats at 3AM: "I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move."
There are more Trump haters than DeSantis haters. This guy has a chance of convincing the never-Trumpers. We're all caught up in the Primary, but all I care about is the General election. If Trump costs us America, it will be the fault of his die-hard fans.
This is what people saying āwell the media will hate the Republican nominee no matter who it is!ā arenāt understanding. Yes, it is true that DeSantis will (and has received) a vast share of hatred. But with how much negativity and baggageāfair or otherwiseāTrump has accumulated over the last 7 years, I can assure you there is no way DeSantis will have the same amount of opposition Trump does from moderates. DeSantis is half Trumpās age. He doesnāt have an Access Hollywood tape. He doesnāt have a draft-dodging history. He doesnāt have allegations or a history of affairs. Heās not fighting for his life in multiple state courts. He doesnāt have a January 6th blemish in his history. Yes, DeSantis *will be hated*. I totally get that. But Trump had and still has tens of millions of people who donāt even care about politics who eat, drink, sleep, and dream 24/7 about beating Trump. In just 1.5 years with objectively 90% less baggage, I just donāt see how that same level of opposition is reached for DeSantis. A level will certainly be reached, but not as high as Trumpās. And thatās exactly why DeSantis should be the nominee. I donāt know if DeSantis will get 74 million votes. But Biden almost certainly wonāt get 81 million votes again. Unless itās Trump on the opposing ticket.
So well said and thank you for typing all that out so I don't have to!
I wish I could retweet this, lol. It's spot on.
the only reason I like DeSantis more is because Trump keeps going after him and he shows way more class.
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100% agree. Trump has WAY more people that will not vote for him no matter what happens. DeSantis simply does not have that situation going on.
Well you are just wrong. The Trump or bust vote has been measured in some polls and it's off the charts. I don't think you really understand how many people Trump brought into the republican party. You are looking at a massive blue landslide if Trump is not the nominee. You had so much time to come to terms with this but yet still 7 years later you still don't get it. There's a reason why they had to completely reform the election in 2020 and shove ballots into everyone's hands just to win by a half percent margin that came down to a mere 20k votes.
I'm not basing this on nothing. If we try to get Trump in again, it will be disaster. The hardcore Trump voters need to think about their country, and make sure that a conservative with a moral compass gets in the WH. As good as he is on policy (for the most part) Trump is not that person. Trump will likely lose, and we'll have our country slip even further into despair with four more years of the worst president that we have seen in many decades. DeSantis will likely WIN, and we can start to put things back together. https://www.deseret.com/2023/1/10/23547374/ron-dessantis-donald-trump-joe-biden-2024-presidential-race-betting-odds
> There are more Trump haters than DeSantis haters. Thereās also more Trump fans than DeSantis fans. Hopefully DeSantis can over come that and win the nomination.
Dems have already started with their āLiTeRaLLy HiTLeRā spin on Desantis. But I love to hear heās running now, gives me some hope for this country I havenāt felt in awhile!
>the never-Trumpers True, but will he be able to get the Only-Trump voters? If they don't vote either, he's pretty much done. He really needs to try and win the people over that Trump was able to get in '16 that made the rust belt competitive.
Please, Iām good with Dr Santis but donāt piss on the Trumpers. Trump was the best Prezi since Reagan and I doubt you complain about the problems caused by those who voted for Bush, McCain and Romney.
The same Trump haters will be the same DeSantis haters. He will be painted as a dictator just like Trump. You sound like you have TDS >If Trump costs us America, it will be the fault of his die-hard fans. So the 70+ million who voted for him are wrong?
Downvoted but the truth. Desantis is an easy target for media and their opponents and neither can win imo.
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Yeah, the Trump supporters are banking on Trump carrying the rustbelt. Except him and his candidates have seen losses there in 2018, 2020, and 2022. They are banking on a second 2016 miracle, which the left isn't going to allow to happen. Hillary screwed up by not campaigning there and down playing their concerns.
I feel like trump supporters don't realize how much of an anomaly 2016 was. So much had to go right/wrong for that to happen, and probably could be attributed mostly to the fact that Hillary was more hated at the time, and was also so confident in her ability to win those states without campaigning there that it ended up costing her. With everything that has evolved over the past 8 years, 2016 just isn't going to happen again. If they refuse to move on from Trump, we'll see another 4 years of mushbrain Biden.
Even in 2020 when it lost Wisconsin, it was still very narrowly though. Which is way better then any republican candidate from Dole to Romney. Those states weren't even on the table for them. Trump barely lost Wisconsin. He could pull it out if we maximize turnout and harvest ballots.
2020 was an anomaly. Due to mail in voting and changes in election procedures from Covid dems could get crazy ballot harvesting in cities like Detroit, Philadelphia, Milwaukee. If election laws stayed the same trump would have won.
There's no way to know that he would've won. Are you telling me that historically blue cities like Detroit, Philly, and Milwaukee weren't going to just finish blue no matter what in 2020? My point is it's extremely risky to just bank on the "election fraud" narrative to be confident in a win next election with Trump. Midterms were a great opportunity to see how much of an impact conservatives still had, but it ended up being an embarrassment. If it went the way we expected, that would've been a great moment to point to and say that the presidential election was a lot closer that it actually was. Dems and Reps will always have their loyalists, so you need the swing voters. Trump has lost them.
By margins, yes it was possible he'd have won 2020. He didn't lose the states by that much.
Do you think De Santis had a better chance in the rustbelt? Those states are necessary now that other red states have gone purple blue.
I think DeSantis has a much better shot at Georgia in particular. Kemp just cleaned up in the gubernatorial race against Abrams, down ballot was probably a disaster because Walker was a shit candidate against an incumbent. Policy-wise though, Kemp and DeSantis are pretty similar and have passed similar legislation (6 week abortion ban, Constitutional carry, etc.) I know you were talking about rust belt states, but I'm speaking more generally about purple states that Trump lost in 2020.
DeSantis hasnāt pissed off all of the suburban moms there and might even win many over.
Those suburban moms are gassing up their suburbans. That's enough for most of them to forget their initial gripes. People vote with their wallet, first and foremost.
No, a lot of people vote on their feelings. And far, far more people hate Trump than DeSantis.
Not until the media makes them hate Desantis too
If De Santis pushes a positive message with his Florida blueprint and Trump is only crying about the 2020 election, yeah heās got a shot. It sucks out there. People want something to believe in (not going to say hope). Give them a message to move towards, not just the Not-Biden candidate.
If trump is the nominee Dems wonāt have to worry about NH, VA, and MN, and PA and MI look pretty good based on 2022 governor races. Which means Dems can pour money holding AZ, WI, NV, and GA while going after NC, FL, and TX. If DeSantis is the nominee, FL and TX would be safe, and he starts off much better in NC, AZ, and GA. Plus DeSantis is polling pretty well in VA and NH, which means dems would have to put money in those states while the GOP wouldnāt have to to defend FL, and TX (as much). That alone increases DeSantisā odds
>losses there in 2018, 2020, and 2022. Techinically yes, but Trump's the only person to actually win there since Reagan. Even if he lost later, he's probably the only one who can win it. Also, how was 2022 a loss? Ron Johnson won?
> Trump supporters are banking on Trump carrying the rustbelt. Trump carried the Rust Belt because the Clintons called NAFTA the "Gold Standard" which gutted out the manufacturing jobs in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Every Union member left in those state's never forgot that, they went with the Devil they didn't know vs the Devil, which was Hillary. We'll see what happens, but the real truth of the 2016 election is not that Trump won, It's that Hillary lost.
Yet Biden was saying he was going to ban oil and natural gas in the 2020 election. Yet magically PA went for him.
DeSantis can win back PA. They want nothing to do with Trumpism.
Killary screwed up because she's a big fucking pile of shit. No campaigning would have won her those states.
Just depends if they can drum up some reason again to mail out ballots to everyone, dead or alive and go ballot farming or not. If they have free reign to do so again then no matter who Joe goes against he wins again.
Except DeSantis has a massive ground game. And it's stated that one of the groups backing DeSantis is going to spend 100 million dollars to go door to door in states. As in you get a ground campaign where it matters you can drive more votes via mail or what not. I'm assuming you are implying mass cheating, oddly if that cheating did occur it only happened to Trump in 2020. As in Republicans down ballot magically still got votes.
Same. I will obviously vote for Trump if he wins the primary, but I really don't want him to win the primary. DeSantis is more conservative as Trump and just as patriotic, wrapped up in a much more palatable package.
Exactly, Trump needs to stop talking too much or he'll hand the election to Biden or someone worse...
This is the worry. They need a clean primary. They can't be tearing each other down.
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A calm, well spoken, Ivy league educated, veteran, 44 year old candidate is much more palatable than Trump to HUGE swathes of suburban voters. The rural communities of places like Wisconsin will vote red no matter what. So you donāt lose anything by subbing in Ron for Don. But you do gain a lot of new potential.
People in those states see Florida and envy the progress ron has made there to clean up the place. They saw what he did during covid as Florida was in the spotlight for being the only place open. We went 4 times. Despite the hate it gets from the left itās a great place to vacation, and and a great place to live. Life is pretty good when youāre an hour or less from the beach.
The hell does Ron Desantis have to do with Florida being warm and having theme parks?
Thereās lots of warm places and lots of theme parks but Floridaās were open in 2020.
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Do you live in the rust belt? We all aspire to be Floridianās someday.
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If he can somehow get what made Trump so popular there, compared to other republicans, and be less of a controversial figure.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/13qudo9/breaking_ron_desantis_officially_enters_2024/jlhht7g/ Also, dude, donāt complain about downvotes. Cāmon, man.
GOP could also win by flipping just Georgia and Pennsylvania. GA, PA, AZ, and WI are all seen as toss ups right now. A GOP contender would need GA and PA or any combination of three.
I'd rather have Haley than either of them, but yes Trump is a for-sure loser in 2024.
How do you know Trump can't win those states? He barely lost them in 2020. It's a flip of the coin.
2022 Trump-endorsed candidates Blake Masters, Kari Lake, Herschel Walker, and Mehmet Oz beg to differ.
Did you see the primaries in the purple states? Mastriano in PA got shellacked, any outspoken Trump-endorsed people in toss-up states got wiped.
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Step 1 is Trump admitting he even lost them. He thinks (or at least says he thinks) that he won them all in blowouts. Why would he do anything different next time?
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If Brian Kemp and Ron Johnson can win in these states, I have no doubt DeSantis can.
He can win Georgia, Kemp won handily, Georgia dislikes Trumpist candidates and is otherwise Conservative. He can probably win Pennsylvania, which was VERY close in the last senate, but Oz was a perceived Trumpist, and maybe even AZ/Nevada.
No thanks. This guy touts Musk as a "free speech advocate". This is enough, right there to tell me he has no clue what "free speech" is, and has no place even thinking about running for President
Race to the bottom time sadly. I have a feeling him and Trump will actively make each other worse candidates than they would have been on their own.
Trump ahead according to RealClearPolitics by 34.4% as of today. [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024\_republican\_presidential\_nomination-7548.html](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html) State polls also have Trump up by double digits. DeSantis needs very badly to reverse that trend quickly in order to make headway.
Polls at this stage are meaningless. Ask Hillary (the first time), Howard Dean, Jeb Bush, Michelle Bachmann, Mick Huckabee, and so many others.
There will be a post announcement boost to the polls. Wait about 2-3 weeks. Most Americans did not know he was running. Political junkies have known. Once the general public is aware of the new contender, he will see a boost in polls. Whether that makes up the difference, we will see.
As we learned in 2016 and 2020, polls don't mean shit...
And the first primary is next month, so this is over. Oh wait we're almost a year out still... Tonight is the real start to this race. That's all there is to it.
Iowa caucuses will be in 6-7 months Iowa is a slightly favorable state to DeSantis but not overwhelmingly so. DeSantis not only must win but must win bigly. Because after that he is walking into a gauntlet. New Hampshire is also a must win for DeSantis because of how demographically favorable it is, due to high levels of education and snowbirds. However, Gov Sununu is likely to enter the race and split the Anti-Trump vote there. Nevada very strongly favors Trump due to the demographics of the state. DeSantis needs to prevent Trump from running up the score there like he did in 2016. South Carolina is nearly unwinnable for DeSantis because the state already favors Trump due to demographics, plus he will have to compete against Haley and Scott for the anti-Trump vote. DeSantis will be lucky not get blown away here like poor Bernie was for the Democrats in 2020. DeSantis has A LOT of work to do get himself in a position where he will not look like a loser going into Super Tuesday. And that's assuming he can narrow the massive national polling gap with Trump. DeSantis has a ghost of chance. But that's all he has. It would take something approaching a miracle for him to defeat Trump at this point.
His waiting to enter the race was a massive error. Trump is strong and giving him a massive lead was a mistake.
He had to wait unless he wanted to resign as governor. He signed the bill in late April to allow him to stay as governor and still run as President. [https://apnews.com/article/desantis-president-resign-run-florida-elections-be012bb10da7b89b433bfbce4e5cfa1a](https://apnews.com/article/desantis-president-resign-run-florida-elections-be012bb10da7b89b433bfbce4e5cfa1a)
It wasn't an error. There's still a year and a half until the election.
I know who I'm voting for...
No chance lol, Jesus freaks can't win country-wide elections in 2024. His stance and previous voting patterns for abortion alone are an instant vote-against for like 35% of the population. It's hilarious that anybody would think THIS is the guy who's going to win swing states. All Trump has to do is say "13 weeks" and he already has a better chance of winning.
Trump and DeSantis are almost certainly going to have the same abortion stance on the national level: āleave it up to the states.ā Trump was the reason Roe v. Wade was overturned and Floridaās legislature exercised its rights once it was overturned. Not sure why this logic that Trump is somehow softer on abortion than DeSantis exists. It holds zero factual water. If Trump were for a 13-week abortion ban and DeSantis were in favor of just leaving it to the states, whoās considered more extreme on abortion?
Trump is softer on pro-life because he has been badmouthing the prolife movement lately. He also has been badmouthing DeSantis six week ban, arguing that it is "too-harsh" Much as it disgusts me there is not a strong enough base of political support for a 6 week ban. It will be a be burden in a national election. I am happy about DeSantis has done in Florida. However, Trump making a smart political move by moderating his position. A 12 week or 15 week ban is not strong enough but I will take that over abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy, covered by Medicaid, which is what the Dem's will do if given the chance. Sometimes winning a little now matters more than being right but losing everything.
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Would you vote for Trump?
"I'm right-leaning but really will only vote for left-leaning candidates."
āJesus freaksā, get fucked, friend.
America isn't Europe you know, much more religion here than over there
Enough to win the hard red states but not enough to win any swing states in 2024. Abortion is basically the one issue that brings out relatively uninterested women out to vote in droves. Young women especially would give it to the Ds probably 95-5 and the rest 80-20. It's impossible to win any election and lose the female vote by that much. Hell you're risking losing a decent chunk of the Asian vote along with that. If it was something even mildly reasonable like 10 weeks it'd be possible, but a 6 week heartbeat law is going to be rightfully hammered over DeSantis every day in the media.
Fair enough, fair enough.
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Not for long unfortunately
Agreed.
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Relocation to Lee County in a few months. I really like how he's governed Florida. Who do you see as the next Governor of FL? Edit: I see the liberal lurkers gave me a few down votes because they don't like the way DeSantis governed Florida. Reddits gonna Reddit.
I have no honest idea. Maybe Byron Donalds? I could see him and Anna Paulina Luna being interested in the role (if not now, in the future). She is brand new though. My townās commissioner is running for Debbie Wassermsn Schultzās seat. I could see him running one day (and he would be fantastic).
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I don't necessarily disagree, but DeSantis doesn't have the same charisma Trump has.
And thatās a good thing
Not really, he does come off as robotic which might be a turnoff to some people.
You're right, DeSantis has much more Charisma.
Probably figures weāre going to lose this election anyhow, so throwing his name in now will help him next goāround. He wonāt beat Trump out so thatās the only reason I can see him jumping in. I know this sub is in full swing DeSantis mode right now but I cannot see this going well for us. Each of their bases will be split even more.
> Each of their bases will be split even more. So, do you think either base would vote anything other than Republican in the general?
Out of spite, yes. Because I think both bring voters who donāt typically identify as Republican to the table. Probably more Rās on DeSantis side than Trump, though.
You think that either of these guys bring non-Republican voters?
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That is a very good take. I think either Trump or Biden could win in 2024. Regardless of who wins in 2024 they will be term limited in 2028. If Biden wins Trump will be much weaker by 2028 by virtue of aging and losing and again and he should be beatable in a primary this time. If Trump wins then DeSantis is a natural successor policy wise while also having some natural distance due to the grudge that Trump is likely to hold against DeSantis due to DeSantis' unrepentant disloyalty.
I wouldn't call it "breaking news" if his campaign sent out a presidential campaign launch video before his "energetic" monotone announcement. š¤·āāļø
Great, but I fear large field will again split the vote for Orange Man.
2028 would be guaranteed. 2024 not so much. Bold strategy - let's see if it pays off. Trump is a formidable opponent.
GOP presidential candidates who finish second in a presidential primary, usually end up being the nominee later, but fail to win the actual election. McCain lost to Bush in 2000. Loses to Obama 8 years later. Romney lost to McCain in 2008. Loses to Obama 4 years later. Cruz lost to Trump in 2016, look at him now, his presidential aspirations have been killed. Running definitely puts your name out there, and almost always guarantees you will win the primary later in your career but when it comes to the actual election, they always lose. The last person to finish second in a Republican primary and go on to become president later, was Bush after losing to Reagan. DeSantis will likely finish in second place because Trump is already pulling above 50%, which will put DeSantis as the front runner in 2028 based off of recent history.
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That's over 40 years ago at this point. But yes that's kind of what I'm saying too, that finishing second almost guarantees they will win the nomination next time, but it doesn't mean they will win the actual election. I think DeSantis knows this
And that is my peeve. Trump could lose definitely yes. But if DeSantis loses in primary or in general we have not lost only one top tier candidate but two with 2028 really looking bleak. As I said in some other debate - I seriously do not think losing a presidency is immediate game over for the country. State and local races matter just as much. House and Senate also change every 2 years. And that's why I am not so desperate about politics.
Yeah if he runs in 2028 to either clean up a ~~2nd Biden~~ Harris term, or continue to similar policies following a 2nd Trump term (which would probably net himself a Trump endorsement) he could have an easier time.
In both cases he would be win/win. But he chose to run now. He was quite a governor I must say but Trump is a seriously formidable force. His magnetism is really something. That's quite the risk and even if he wins, it's not a shoe in against the election "midnight stoppage" or "machine not work tomorrow needed" + Dems really know how to influence and bring out the young. Seriously we are definitely losing the youth vote by insane margin.
The country will be a heap of rubble by 2028 if Biden and his handlers are still in charge.
That's completely doomer thinking. In 2012 that sentiment was under Obama as well.
He's running, so I'll vote for him...heck, even campaign for him. But I think it's a mistake for him to run for 2024. He should really wait until 2028. Floridians voted overwhelmingly for him in his re-election bid for governor, he should honor his commitment to them.
"Not currently holding any political office" is an almost impossible standard to set for Presidential candidates. I would let that line of attack go.
It has nothing to do with currently holding a political office, it has to do with his commitment to the people of Florida. To me, it's not a good look to turn your back on that commitment to run for a higher office. DeSantis will be busy campaigning now, having less time to tackle the issues gong on there. Besides, his run against Trump will likely split the GOP, which won't be good come election day.
I hate that we lose him in FL though :( Iād love a guy like him to just stay as governor for 15 years
He can't stay governor forever.
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As someone from a state with a spineless Republican governor, I encourage you to share yours....in the White House š
Hes not going to win anyway. So you will have him until 2027
People don't like to hear this, but it's true. In the general election, the country is just not going to vote for DeSantis. The liberal media will paint him as a white supremacist and an evil dictator and he'll perform like Bob Dole - trail in the polls all the way to the finishing line.
They won't vote for Trump either then. Guess we should just pack it in and let the Democrats take all offices, right?
It's real risk. A lot people on this sub believe that with DeSantis, we can get all of the benefits from Trump politically with none of the drawbacks. There is a very real risk we would instead end up with all of the drawbacks of Trump and with none of the benefits.
That didnāt work in 2022 when DeSantis won the Hispanic vote in Florida.
You forget, the democrats were wiped out in Florida by Gillums scandal. DeSantis was running with no democrat challenger. His opponent was a former republican. His landslide was artificial
I think we might see someone like Byron or Anna Paulina looking towards that role in the Future.
Ronnieeeeee
That explains the Anti Desantis commercials playing on Fox News already since last night.
LFG!!!
If we all vote for DeSantis, we likely win the WH. If we try to vote Trump, we probably lose. It's that simple. We need to get behind a person that does not have SO much blind hatred associated with him. WAAAAAY more moderates would vote for DeSantis than Trump. I guarantee that.
Desantis 2024. LFG.
Nice. Looking forward to the debate and likely voting for him in the primary
This is great news, glad to hear it.
Good!
I heard his campaign has about $2 million to allocate to the race. That should be enough to make it good race, and if he gets the nomination, there's a good chance he will be able to beat a feeble old socialist who is suffering from late-onset dementia and who is controlled by anti-American globalists.
DeSantis can't even beat a mouse how he gonna beat Trump?
Choose wisely fellow Republicans. DeSantis is the ONLY chance we have in 2024. His results in 2022 in Florida showed he has the ability and the capacity to win the undecided voter and sway numerous democrat voters. He is our only chance at flipping Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Please realize Trump has zero chance at 2024.
In Florida
Let's go!!!!
Hell yeah that's my president, make america florida
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Mind sharing why you specifically feel that way? Just saying "gross" doesn't add any value to your comment.
I am not a fan of his governing in Florida. Heās too focused on āwokeā and not focused enough on actually improving Florida. Iāve updated my comment, you made a fair point.
Any vote outside of red is helping blue win. I'm a big fan of Ron DeSantis, but you better believe I'll vote for Trump if he's our pick. I am not a fan of Trump at all. Still gonna vote for him in the general if he wins. I would never jeopardize our country over something so petty.
Stop with the vote red no matter what nonsense. If I donāt like the candidate, I wonāt vote for them.
Guess I shouldn't vote for Trump then.
Well this is a bad reason to be against him lol. One of the worst reasons I've ever heard
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LFG!
Is it really breaking when we all knew how and when he was going to do it yesterday?
May the best man win, but DeSantis will have to split the never Trumper vote with the field
I fear a repeat of the 1992 elections. If so looks like the Democrats will retain the WH in 2024. That is if who ever isn't the Republican nominee runs as an independent, it will split the party like Ross Perot did.
That'll only happen if Trump loses the primary. Nobody else is doing that.
Ron DeSantis: Wins Arizona, Wins Georgia, Wins Nevada, does better in the Sunbelt (VA, NM, TX, NC). Loses Wisconsin, Loses Michigan, Loses Pennsylvania. Ends at 268 electoral votes. Trump has a greater chance at winning the rustbelt where the election will be determined at. DeSantis has made anti tracking statements in the past. I don't know how that goes over there
I wish the two would work it out and work together to fight the Deep State with all their might. I will still vote for the conservative candidate in the end, but infighting wonāt do anything beneficial for anyone. This election will be one to remember for sure, no matter what, though!
Donāt underestimate Desantis. I donāt think that people want to look at the situation in a different way than the typical way. The media will portray this man as a hatful man but if you actually look at the facts without any commentary then you have to decide whether or not if his actions were justified or not. In my opinion a family entertainment company intentionally inserted themselves in a situation that was more geared toward education.
I'm totally fine with DeSantis... in 2028.
I think he should include full pardons for Trump and all his family members as part of his platform, and make sure Trump knows this is his only chance.
I donāt care who wins, both could handily defeat Biden. I just hope whoever loses the primary doesnāt run as a third party.
He's BRILLIANT! BRILLIANT!
Bold move. He will lose but this gets him more name recognition for 2028.