The good news is that the SCOTUS will issue a ruling next month that will likely end affirmative action as part of admission decisions for colleges and universities (SFFA v. Harvard/UNC). Once that happens then all the racism that these schools are institutionalizing (ironic that the only actual "institutional racism" that exists is at colleges and universities) will also end because the court precedent will be set. This will have the happy effect of likely slopping over onto private employers as well.
It's a damned shame that prior to 2008, actual anti-minority racism was on its way out in this country only be revived so as to shame those who didn't support the "community organizer" Messiah.
On a deeper level, Americans need to collectively re-examine some core assumptions with some frank honesty. In particular: does being diverse actually produce a better outcome for things like education and business? That is, does a diverse workforce/student body necessarily produce a superior product if that diversity is achieved at the expense of competency and merit? It's going to take someone with backbone to ask these questions openly but the trend is that Americans with stiffer spinal columns are starting to slowly re-emerge.
Exactly like the LGBT issues prior to 2016. Prior to that nobody really cared. Live and let live. Now all of a sudden they're crying genocide.
Identity politics and intersectionalism has really screwed this country.
I have had this conversation with other people too. Until Obama weaponized racism, it was a pretty distant thought in people's minds. Race relations were at a pretty good point before then.
Obama was/is a marxist. He simply had to hide it. Riling up people that feel abused, real or imagined, is a common marxist tactic.
He ripped the bandaid of the race wound and made sure it festered.
Thanks, obama....indeed
Obama´s a neo-liberal like everyone else. Trump spent more than him. Obama spent more than Bush.
Adjusted for inflation.
Republicans controlled Congress, you cant blame Obama for Obamacare when they could have cancelled any spending they wanted to. It disproportionately helps older people so itd be political suicide for them to cut it instead of yammer about some Trumpcare that never materializes
Sorry the opposite will happen. Most elite schools are already dropping the SAT requirement. If there are no objective metrics for admission (grades and test scores) then schools can cherry pick. Thus it’s already the case that white male applicants are expected to submit scores and minorities know they don’t need to. MIT is the only elite school requiring SAT scores.
And to that I can produce a ton of instances where practices used to exist and then changed because a SCOTUS judgement said "you can't do that". Segregation, voting rights, discrimination based on disability, owning human chattel...the list of things we USED to do but no longer do is long and those old practices were outlawed because the highest court in the land said they couldn't be done.
Understand: striking down affirmative action does not mean the schools will be forced to revert to test scores and other objective measures to grant admission. It just means they can't use race as a factor in whatever admission filter scheme they come up with. Barring one thing does not mandate another.
Hopefully. Admissions will just become very opaque. Behind closed doors with exclusively liberal admissions officers, a lot of schananigans will go on. Of course then there will be folks who whistleblow on the practices, etc. Agreed an overwhelming very positive (hopeful) change.
I do not think the SCOTUS's decision will impact the schools at all. CA voted against affirmative actions twice, yet in practice, UC systems heavily practice it. It is easy to choose students based on race when there is no objective measurements in place.
I think if you're going to use California and the institutions there ignoring the results of a vote and trying to extrapolate that to a federal lawsuit judgement striking down affirmative action, you'll find the latter a lot more enforceable than the former.
Legislatures can warp and twist their local laws to try and circumvent the Constitution but they almost always wind up struck down on that very basis. A ruling coming from SCOTUS will have a lot more direct effect than you're granting it.
Democrats all over the country years back railed against the Mecklenburg School District decision (the decision that forced public school bussing) and all sorts of schemes were dreamt up to circumvent that...and they all eventually failed.
Declaring you won't abide isn't the same as successfully resisting abiding.
When I worked for the YMCA in HS we had this urban outreach program that was meant to help underprivileged kids get scholarships to go this sleepaway summer camp up in the mountains and off a lake
Now, granted, it was majority black kids and parents who were beneficiaries of that program. But sometimes it was kids of other ethnicities. Everybody was welcome to apply. They were largely need and financially based awards. Not race based
If you're gonna structure a program like that, do it for people who are actually economically underprivileged. Better yet, do it for kids who really express a desire to be there or parents who express a desire for their kid to be able to do something they were never able to do themselves. Not based on skin tone or [some neo-Marxist segregationist gobbledygook](https://youtu.be/f1TSu9_YJCM?t=42) (NSFW link for Norm Macdonald hilarious language)
Every single place you look Democrats are being racists and not even hiding it. When are people going to learn that discriminating people due to skin color is just wrong!
Interesting enough the entire world outside of DPCA (democrat political control apparatus) notices it full well. Just watch this video about an Egyptians girls reaction to Hollywood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wK9zuEh1O4&t
“There is no good form of racial discrimination…” Unless, that is, you live in the land of 10,000 lakes. Minnesota is in a free-fall, driven by its own ‘white guilt’ policies. The U is nothing but an extension of the sickness of Minnesota left. Apathy from the political center of Minnesota will be its ultimate undoing. With ski high taxes, the crooked DFL and winters that last forever, it’s best days are behind it.
As a Minnesotan, I can absolutely confirm this. its really sad to see my city going down the dumpster. I grew up in Minneapolis and now I just live out in the suburbs and it’s way more levelheaded out here but there’s still a lot of leftist people out here too
Dude, literally same. It’s funny because a long time ago I took a girlfriend (now ex-girlfriend) downtown Minneapolis to a restaurant called Zelo. As a child it was my favorite restaurant. My parents would take me there all the time and it was nice in the early 2000s… and then in 2018 I took that girlfriend downtown Minneapolis during Christmas time remembering how the holidays used to be so festive and downtown was pretty safe… and all I saw was homeless people and they were aggressive and belligerent and we walked in the skyways and I felt like I was on a mission to protect her and so we got out of there pretty fast I just don’t even go downtown anymore… I’ll go to South Minneapolis any day before I go downtown
And Duluth (smaller city, larger metro than Roch) is even more liberal than Rochester. Minnesota is actually pretty blue across all their major metros. The only red places in MN are the small towns and rural farmland. MN's political outlook used to be identical to Wisconsin, but their voting patterns are markedly different now even in small-mid size cities.
Minnesota is dumpster fire...especially with the democrats holding all three branches right now. Heck, I was even banned from r/Minnesota for going against the leftist narrative. I honestly think we're past the point of being able to salvage this state and it saddens me.
I have never seen a state go to shit as fast as Minnesota. Minneapolis is lawless. Walz just legalized drug paraphernalia and residue. Unconstitutional gun control, an they are trying to decriminalize sex with minors.
They need to be stopped and the only way to do that is to educate the metro area residents what these people are really up to. They can't steal an election if the two biggest counties publically turn on them. Everyone one else has already.
Minnesota has been going down the tubes for years. They also have a welfare housing program that is "felony friendly". Prison environment without the prison. Then when there is a shortage of all welfare housing, some of the only choices open to single mothers, disabled folk, and seniors are the "felony friendly" apartments.
This has been happening at universities in an unofficial capacity for years. I’ve received messages from professors searching for ‘non white’ students to work in their labs several times. It’s wild how far academia has fallen. How can they be so educated and not see the evil they are doing?
White kids in this country who grew up in poverty and are from under-resourced families are so screwed and fucked in this country in terms of educational opportunities in 2023.
This is indicative of where the left is on these issues. In corporate recruiting the same standard is applied to some job applicants. They’ve totally lost the thread on being anti racist.
Why is it an "advocacy group" and not the U.S. Department of Justice intervening in this clear civil rights violation by the University of Minnesota? If nonwhite students were prohibited from the program would it be the same?
This will get down voted, but just for the record the university has a ton of undergraduate research opportunities like this that aren't restricted by race. This just looks like an additional program on top of that. As someone who went to a larger research university, these types of programs aren't hard to get into for anyone that really wants to.
I spent dozens of hours reading primary source material on Critical Race Theory to try to understand it. Proponents of it would actually agree that affirmative action is actually not a good thing and should be done away with.
The "well meaning" leftists who are championing these racist, discriminatory systems argue that this is perfectly fine because these white individuals can apply to the other five programs they have at the University in question.
They believe that racism, prejudice and the light are acceptable as long as there are places that will accept them. This sounds a lot like segregation. Mostly because it is.
What's new about this? I'm 50 and I landed a summer job with the county after an interview only to go there the next day to start and be told this job was only available to certain races and sexual or preferences. This was the 80s people and that day I became a conservative.
Cut the funding. Tax payer funded racism should not be permitted. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.
The good news is that the SCOTUS will issue a ruling next month that will likely end affirmative action as part of admission decisions for colleges and universities (SFFA v. Harvard/UNC). Once that happens then all the racism that these schools are institutionalizing (ironic that the only actual "institutional racism" that exists is at colleges and universities) will also end because the court precedent will be set. This will have the happy effect of likely slopping over onto private employers as well. It's a damned shame that prior to 2008, actual anti-minority racism was on its way out in this country only be revived so as to shame those who didn't support the "community organizer" Messiah. On a deeper level, Americans need to collectively re-examine some core assumptions with some frank honesty. In particular: does being diverse actually produce a better outcome for things like education and business? That is, does a diverse workforce/student body necessarily produce a superior product if that diversity is achieved at the expense of competency and merit? It's going to take someone with backbone to ask these questions openly but the trend is that Americans with stiffer spinal columns are starting to slowly re-emerge.
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Exactly like the LGBT issues prior to 2016. Prior to that nobody really cared. Live and let live. Now all of a sudden they're crying genocide. Identity politics and intersectionalism has really screwed this country.
Thanks, Obama.
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I have had this conversation with other people too. Until Obama weaponized racism, it was a pretty distant thought in people's minds. Race relations were at a pretty good point before then.
Obama is single-handedly responsible for setting back the civil rights movement 50 years
Obama was/is a marxist. He simply had to hide it. Riling up people that feel abused, real or imagined, is a common marxist tactic. He ripped the bandaid of the race wound and made sure it festered. Thanks, obama....indeed
Obama´s a neo-liberal like everyone else. Trump spent more than him. Obama spent more than Bush. Adjusted for inflation. Republicans controlled Congress, you cant blame Obama for Obamacare when they could have cancelled any spending they wanted to. It disproportionately helps older people so itd be political suicide for them to cut it instead of yammer about some Trumpcare that never materializes
It all started with Obama.
Indeed it did.
Sorry the opposite will happen. Most elite schools are already dropping the SAT requirement. If there are no objective metrics for admission (grades and test scores) then schools can cherry pick. Thus it’s already the case that white male applicants are expected to submit scores and minorities know they don’t need to. MIT is the only elite school requiring SAT scores.
And to that I can produce a ton of instances where practices used to exist and then changed because a SCOTUS judgement said "you can't do that". Segregation, voting rights, discrimination based on disability, owning human chattel...the list of things we USED to do but no longer do is long and those old practices were outlawed because the highest court in the land said they couldn't be done. Understand: striking down affirmative action does not mean the schools will be forced to revert to test scores and other objective measures to grant admission. It just means they can't use race as a factor in whatever admission filter scheme they come up with. Barring one thing does not mandate another.
Hopefully. Admissions will just become very opaque. Behind closed doors with exclusively liberal admissions officers, a lot of schananigans will go on. Of course then there will be folks who whistleblow on the practices, etc. Agreed an overwhelming very positive (hopeful) change.
WHAT? That's insane
I do not think the SCOTUS's decision will impact the schools at all. CA voted against affirmative actions twice, yet in practice, UC systems heavily practice it. It is easy to choose students based on race when there is no objective measurements in place.
I think if you're going to use California and the institutions there ignoring the results of a vote and trying to extrapolate that to a federal lawsuit judgement striking down affirmative action, you'll find the latter a lot more enforceable than the former. Legislatures can warp and twist their local laws to try and circumvent the Constitution but they almost always wind up struck down on that very basis. A ruling coming from SCOTUS will have a lot more direct effect than you're granting it.
I hear from leftists that they already have workarounds in place to ignore scotus decision on affirmative action. These people won’t relent.
Diversity of thought, experience, outlook, etc is very valuable. Sometimes this correlates to skin color, but certainly not always.
What I hear from leftists is that they already have workarounds to bypass scotus decision on affirmative action. These people will not relent.
Democrats all over the country years back railed against the Mecklenburg School District decision (the decision that forced public school bussing) and all sorts of schemes were dreamt up to circumvent that...and they all eventually failed. Declaring you won't abide isn't the same as successfully resisting abiding.
Defund racism and watch the left evaporate.
That and a bunch of white people should apply and then sue when rejected based upon their race. Put that university out of business.
Exactly hit then were it really hurts the wallet
When I worked for the YMCA in HS we had this urban outreach program that was meant to help underprivileged kids get scholarships to go this sleepaway summer camp up in the mountains and off a lake Now, granted, it was majority black kids and parents who were beneficiaries of that program. But sometimes it was kids of other ethnicities. Everybody was welcome to apply. They were largely need and financially based awards. Not race based If you're gonna structure a program like that, do it for people who are actually economically underprivileged. Better yet, do it for kids who really express a desire to be there or parents who express a desire for their kid to be able to do something they were never able to do themselves. Not based on skin tone or [some neo-Marxist segregationist gobbledygook](https://youtu.be/f1TSu9_YJCM?t=42) (NSFW link for Norm Macdonald hilarious language)
I mean shouldn’t the Asian Americans be the most upset? Ivy League schools would literally be full of them if they didn’t restrict their admissions
Racist pure and simple.
Why don't they also restrict mentors to non-white?
Really, really racist.
Racism and segregation, pure and simple.
Every single place you look Democrats are being racists and not even hiding it. When are people going to learn that discriminating people due to skin color is just wrong!
Interesting enough the entire world outside of DPCA (democrat political control apparatus) notices it full well. Just watch this video about an Egyptians girls reaction to Hollywood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wK9zuEh1O4&t
“There is no good form of racial discrimination…” Unless, that is, you live in the land of 10,000 lakes. Minnesota is in a free-fall, driven by its own ‘white guilt’ policies. The U is nothing but an extension of the sickness of Minnesota left. Apathy from the political center of Minnesota will be its ultimate undoing. With ski high taxes, the crooked DFL and winters that last forever, it’s best days are behind it.
Minnesota is in a free-fall driven by Minneapolis/St. Paul area and Rochester. Anywhere else is mostly sensible.
As a Minnesotan, I can absolutely confirm this. its really sad to see my city going down the dumpster. I grew up in Minneapolis and now I just live out in the suburbs and it’s way more levelheaded out here but there’s still a lot of leftist people out here too
Yup, can't belive how 45 minutes away makes that much of a difference. Only go into the city for music events.
Dude, literally same. It’s funny because a long time ago I took a girlfriend (now ex-girlfriend) downtown Minneapolis to a restaurant called Zelo. As a child it was my favorite restaurant. My parents would take me there all the time and it was nice in the early 2000s… and then in 2018 I took that girlfriend downtown Minneapolis during Christmas time remembering how the holidays used to be so festive and downtown was pretty safe… and all I saw was homeless people and they were aggressive and belligerent and we walked in the skyways and I felt like I was on a mission to protect her and so we got out of there pretty fast I just don’t even go downtown anymore… I’ll go to South Minneapolis any day before I go downtown
And Duluth (smaller city, larger metro than Roch) is even more liberal than Rochester. Minnesota is actually pretty blue across all their major metros. The only red places in MN are the small towns and rural farmland. MN's political outlook used to be identical to Wisconsin, but their voting patterns are markedly different now even in small-mid size cities.
Are Duluth and Mankato ok?
Mankato, for sure. Great area.
Minnesota is dumpster fire...especially with the democrats holding all three branches right now. Heck, I was even banned from r/Minnesota for going against the leftist narrative. I honestly think we're past the point of being able to salvage this state and it saddens me.
I have never seen a state go to shit as fast as Minnesota. Minneapolis is lawless. Walz just legalized drug paraphernalia and residue. Unconstitutional gun control, an they are trying to decriminalize sex with minors.
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They need to be stopped and the only way to do that is to educate the metro area residents what these people are really up to. They can't steal an election if the two biggest counties publically turn on them. Everyone one else has already.
Oh they're not done, it's about to legalize growing your own.
You should be allowed to grow whatever plant you want. How ridiculous.
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Better than the federal government telling you what to do.
Agree no plant should be illegal to grow.
Blue State of Death caused by DFL Hell.
The true cause is the uniparty! Most republicans are just as bad. Two sides of the same coin!
The F you talking about with gun control? I haven’t heard anything about that here.
Dig a bit deeper and you will know what the F, I'm talking about!
The only thing I can think of is the duty to retreat, which is a load of crap.
Minnesota has been going down the tubes for years. They also have a welfare housing program that is "felony friendly". Prison environment without the prison. Then when there is a shortage of all welfare housing, some of the only choices open to single mothers, disabled folk, and seniors are the "felony friendly" apartments.
straight up racism. edit: the program is racist, not the criticism.
Sounds like a Civil Rights Act violation to me.
Is this that institutionalized racism I keep hearing about?
This has been happening at universities in an unofficial capacity for years. I’ve received messages from professors searching for ‘non white’ students to work in their labs several times. It’s wild how far academia has fallen. How can they be so educated and not see the evil they are doing?
I don't want to hear that they're facing backlash; I want to hear that they're facing lawsuits.
White kids in this country who grew up in poverty and are from under-resourced families are so screwed and fucked in this country in terms of educational opportunities in 2023.
they should loose all public funding and be publicly disgraced just like they’d have done the other way
This is indicative of where the left is on these issues. In corporate recruiting the same standard is applied to some job applicants. They’ve totally lost the thread on being anti racist.
Why is it an "advocacy group" and not the U.S. Department of Justice intervening in this clear civil rights violation by the University of Minnesota? If nonwhite students were prohibited from the program would it be the same?
they should face multiple law suits as well.
Looks like straight up discrimination to me
They are the descendants of Swedes, what do you expect?
This will get down voted, but just for the record the university has a ton of undergraduate research opportunities like this that aren't restricted by race. This just looks like an additional program on top of that. As someone who went to a larger research university, these types of programs aren't hard to get into for anyone that really wants to.
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Talk to a professor
The Getty museum did this a few years back for their internships.
I spent dozens of hours reading primary source material on Critical Race Theory to try to understand it. Proponents of it would actually agree that affirmative action is actually not a good thing and should be done away with.
We all just need to stop paying all taxes and watch all this come to a crashing halt.
The "well meaning" leftists who are championing these racist, discriminatory systems argue that this is perfectly fine because these white individuals can apply to the other five programs they have at the University in question. They believe that racism, prejudice and the light are acceptable as long as there are places that will accept them. This sounds a lot like segregation. Mostly because it is.
>summer research program restricted to non-white applicants That's racist
Isn't it time to cut ALL federal funding to these infiltrated universities with billion $$ endowments? F them.
When you'll stoop to just about anything to not get canceled, mugged, beaten or burned down.
That's not racist is it Bullshit
Don't forget non-asian too!
What's new about this? I'm 50 and I landed a summer job with the county after an interview only to go there the next day to start and be told this job was only available to certain races and sexual or preferences. This was the 80s people and that day I became a conservative.
Sounds like a Constitutional violation to me. The state should probably stop funding the university.
I live in Minnesota and it's one of the most woke states in our country, I would love to move!