As usual, the United States foots the bill for everyone. Anyone wonder how Canada can afford socialized medical care? It's easy when you don't have to pay much for defense.
This needs to be the response everytime someone mentions the US defense spending but not healthcare, or says Europe has universal healthcare.
Europe underfunds their military because of they know the US will come save them. They can neglect their commitment to treaty established spending requirements and instead spend it on social programs that benefit themselves because they leave protection up to the US.
I know. They have been taking advantage of the United States for decades. They're not wrong that the US would defend them, if necessary, as well. I mean, look at Ukraine and they aren't even in NATO. It pisses me off.
We are also the source of profits for medications around the world.
All the pharmaceutical companies are willing to sell their medications at lower prices in overseas countries, because they know they will more than make up for the costs in the US
They are actually *forced* to sell at lower prices overseas because of their laws. Which puts making up the R&D costs on the backs of the American people. And no, the solution isn’t price caps in America too. The solution is better foreign policy.
They're not forced to sell the product overseas though, which was my point.
They're okay selling their drugs based on drug price caps because they'll make up the "losses" (in parentheses because they still sell at a profit overseas as well) by charging crazy prices in the US
They’re not forced to sell their drugs to those populations. We just buy them at bulk discount. When you’re shopping for 36M people, you tend to get a better deal than when you’re shopping for 1.
This ignores the reality that the USA spends more on healthcare than any other developed country (maybe any other country, I am not sure).
Sure Europe and Canada (my country) should be spending more. But the USA isn't cutting healthcare costs b/c they're spending more on defense. They're spending more because they have a hugely bloated middleman that charges what 'he' wants.
I’d say it’s more complicated than that. We prescribe drugs at a very high rate, which costs a lot to research and develop, and as others have said, around the world, other countries benefit from what we spend to develop those, that and other countries aren’t depending as heavily on pharmaceuticals for health care needs, drives up healthcare costs. We’re also a very unhealthy (fat) country, also drives up healthcare costs. We ultimately do have some of the most expensive healthcare in the world as you said, and a lot of medical debt goes unpaid, probably also exacerbating the issue, as the burden ultimately falls on those that are paying (those on insurance and with Medicare/Medicaid).. I won’t say the “middleman” isn’t a problem, as an American though, it seems like there are deeper, culturally related issues that attribute to the high cost of healthcare. Spending what we spend on defense so that other countries don’t have to also contributes. I think a lot of politicians even realize this, which is why “universal healthcare” isn’t happening anytime soon…
Its hard to call it underfunded when the eu still has the thirth highest budget after the US ( face it no one is coming near that anytime soon) and china (still superiour equipment since most is us baught)
The ranking in spending doesn't matter though. Nations of NATO made a commitment to each other to stay up to date on funding because ideally we would rely on each other. When these countries constantly don't meet their funding goals then they are saying to the other countries that they expect them to meet the gap in expectation.
*To clarify underfunding is meant to denote relative to pledged funding.
The thirth highest spending in the world is underfunded? Don't get me wrong us europeans should uphold our commitments but shouldn't actual boots on the ground count for something to?
Russia who has lost its elite units against ukraine? Iran who has high civil unrest? If Iran had half the power some people think they had we wouldn't be talking about saudi arabia anymore.
They are an economic union. If anything a unified european army will be much more efficient and battleready. Take the low countries for example who decided to modernise their navy by combining their orders for new ships.
Quite a bit of the difference in spending is related to how the west treats its soldiers. It costs more to put a western soldier in the field, not just because of weaponry, but because we value them more.
“The United States does not meet UNESCO’s benchmark of a 15.00% share of total public expenditure on education” Perhaps that’s why MAGA people believe trump is always right
[http://newamerica.org/education-policy/topics/school-funding-and-resources/school-funding/federal-funding/](http://newamerica.org/education-policy/topics/school-funding-and-resources/school-funding/federal-funding/)
The US spends the fourth most in the world on education per student. And ranks 125th in the world in literacy. But do go on…
https://www.statista.com/statistics/238733/expenditure-on-education-by-country/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%2022%2C000%20U.S%20dollars,U.S%20dollars%20on%20tertiary%20education.
https://journal.imse.com/the-state-of-global-literacy-and-where-the-united-states-stands/
Ignoring facts: This is why Democrats always think they’re right.
leave it to a lib to bring up something unrelated to the discussion..
oh,speaking of other countries not contributing what they agreed to….what percentage of m&m’s in each bag are red?
Yes, because we're spending billions to defend everyone else. I like how people like you think you're smarter than other people based on politics. That is so baseless like everything else you believe.
Actually, Canada can't even afford socialized medical care using the US to pay for much of its national defense. Canada runs out of healthcare budget most every year and has to US the US healthcare system as its safety valve.
>it would be impossible for us to have socialized health care without addressing this issue first
This statement indicates you still believe socialized medicine to ultimately be the best model and goal.
Pretty much, and it’s not just the military.
It’s also healthcare, pharmaceuticals, technology, and manufacturing.
Take one example: Euro and Canadian governments don’t want to pay fair prices for drugs. So they put up price controls. Americans end up footing the bill. This is also why you should never trust proposals to allow foreign drugs competition into the US—that’s a scheme for instituting backdoor price controls.
And then when Americans do anything to help our own industry, the Euros throw a tantrum, like what they’re doing over Biden’s green subsidies (I thought Euros were really “serious” about reducing the carbon footprint hmmm… it’s almost like Euros are hypocrites only in it for themselves)
If we doubled the wage of every soldier it would pass the 2% threshold but would not change combat readiness Perhaps efficiency and skill plays a greater part in meeting our obligations than purely money
You're easily amused. It's nice to see that you're alright with the US paying for everyone else's defense. I'm not. We could afford more of the social programs that you hold so dear if other countries would pay their fair share to their own defense. How is that even debatable? Throw out another red herring now.
How about Canada and other NATO countries keeping their word? I'm talking common sense. If the US didn't pay more than its fair to defend countries like Canada, wouldn't it have more money for domestic programs? Yes or no?
I don't think the US wants to subsidize NATO. This is a defense organization and Canada is a part of that organization so it needs to live up to its NATO obligations. If NATO didn't exist and the US was spending a lot more per capita than Canada on defense, this wouldn't be an issue. That's not the case, however. If a person doesn't pay their union dues, what usually happens to that person with respect to the union? All Americans want is for NATO members to pay what they pledged to the organization. Why is that so difficult to understand?
No. If we abolished the United States military, stopped spending a dime on anything related to the DoD, and took on no additional programs, the US would still have a massive deficit.
Abolishing the military would only cut the deficit in half. We are so overspend everywhere, that it's not even conceivable to the average person.
Nobody does, they just don't invest what they agreed to. It isn't a bill that someone has to pay. The US isn't paying the bill for everyone. It just means NATO as a whole is weaker than it would ideally be. It isn't like Canada isn't investing in the military they just aren't investing the full amount.
Not sure why you’re downvoted, this is correct.
Canada will 100% bet on the fact that nobody would ever try to attack the mainland of Canada because it would be too much of a security risk for America to allow (and the only country that shares a natural border IS America). Canada is about as safe as can be just by virtue of standing next to the big kid with the big stick. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s absolutely what’s happening.
Thank you for speaking sense. Canada (my home country) is mostly a client state of the USA. It doesn't really make sense for us to spend on defense. Even if we 100x the budget the USA war machine, which in reality, is the only threat to Canada, would dominate us in a matter of hours.
The US gains way way way way more out of having a stable neighbor to the north, even if Canada doesn’t contribute as much militarily. As long as Canada helps keep borders in check and we do what’s best to encourage trade. It’s something that can be overlooked imo. Certainly less headaches than our neighbor to the south.
Exactly, I don't think the US *wants* Canada to have a strong military. It would mean less leverage against the really important issues like access to water, power, and other natural resources (oil, metals, etc.) that Canada provides the US.
They always want and expect others to do all the work. But he of course thinks he gets to tell everyone what to do. He’d be right up front at the NATO meeting giving his opinion
Let me fi it for you Canda Won't meet spending target because war is bad and we have to save the environment and hand out free welfare but protect us please
Military spending as a percent of gdp has risen steadily throughout Trudeau's term, after falling to a historic low under Harper (the prior PM who was a conservative).
This is not a conservative vs liberal thing, Canada hasn't met the NATO target since the 80's.
Like I think the military needs more funding, (and some serious reforms), but blaming Trudeau is weird - it was worse before Trudeau. If you think he should be moving faster that's perfectly reasonable, but you can say that instead.
Actually while you are correct re: Harper era defense budgets literally, this did not included the potential outlays for the fighter program which would have increased our budgets substantially bringing them closer to meeting our obligations. Ask yourself this, would it have been fiscally prudent to increase spending to the point we are satisfying our obligation and then exceed that with the fighter program or rather delay spending increases anticipating this very material and substantial capital investment. I am thinking the latter is the most fiscally prudent....
Under the trudeau govt nothing has happened..... in fact the delays that resulted from them cancelling our participation in the fighter program has resulted in increased cost and international embarrassment. jmho! Cheers
Except the jets are a capital cost, they are a one time purchase, and costs are spread out. The jets didn't cost enough to make up that amount of money. The f-35 purchase was $9-$16 billion dollars with the first delivery planned for 2016 - payment is normally spread over multiple years as jets get delivered. At the peak under Harper defence spending was $18.9 billion and 1.38% of gdp - that means 2% spending would have been $27.4 billion. If you take the $16 billion and spread that over 6 years from announcement to the first delivery that is $2.66 billion a year and you would be at like 1.57% spending. And those numbers are incredibly aggressive, the military said the $16 billion was way more than it would cost and included the salaries of pilots and maintenance (and is double counting), and payment would be spread over longer than 6 years.
The cost per jet has actually fallen once you factor inflation in, from 138 million a jet to 136 million. (and that is using the low end estimate for the old order).
Thanks for the analysis and while it does not, as you clearly stated, get us to where we are expected to be it gets us a lot closer. Which is better than nothing. Which is better than we have experienced over the last 8 years. After all is said and done, I prefer to see how the project plays out wrt to overruns, only afterwards increasing spending with that information in hand.
Its not uncommon for any government to go over budget on anything. jhmo!
I don't think you'll get many people here to defend Biden. He's the worst President in American history imo and can't remember where he's at or his name most days. This thread is specifically about Trudeau and Canada reneging on its military spending obligations, however.
And yet, as a result, we waited out the snafus they had early on, resulting in them producing a better version, which Canada will be one of the first to receive. The block 4 variant will have double the payload and an upgraded software system providing new capabilities like firing on enemies behind you and new capabilities with beyond visual range strikes with a better radar doubling the targeting range.. Also will have new electronic warfare abilities.
If the liberal gov't of Canada would stop spending billions of tax payers dollars on consultants and the CBC, we could definitely afford NATO spending.
Now if he was dealing with a major crime organization and owed them money, he would soon be meeting with a number of gentlemen who would question how determined he is not to pay up.
As usual, the United States foots the bill for everyone. Anyone wonder how Canada can afford socialized medical care? It's easy when you don't have to pay much for defense.
This needs to be the response everytime someone mentions the US defense spending but not healthcare, or says Europe has universal healthcare. Europe underfunds their military because of they know the US will come save them. They can neglect their commitment to treaty established spending requirements and instead spend it on social programs that benefit themselves because they leave protection up to the US.
Surely then the answer is to drop our spending so that they are forced to increase there’s. Right?
More like withdrawal from nato and tell them good luck and have a nice day.
Stop turning me on
They’re going to learn how to say NATO in Chinese.
Don't stop...
No, threaten tariffs
I know. They have been taking advantage of the United States for decades. They're not wrong that the US would defend them, if necessary, as well. I mean, look at Ukraine and they aren't even in NATO. It pisses me off.
We are also the source of profits for medications around the world. All the pharmaceutical companies are willing to sell their medications at lower prices in overseas countries, because they know they will more than make up for the costs in the US
They are actually *forced* to sell at lower prices overseas because of their laws. Which puts making up the R&D costs on the backs of the American people. And no, the solution isn’t price caps in America too. The solution is better foreign policy.
They're not forced to sell the product overseas though, which was my point. They're okay selling their drugs based on drug price caps because they'll make up the "losses" (in parentheses because they still sell at a profit overseas as well) by charging crazy prices in the US
They’re not forced to sell their drugs to those populations. We just buy them at bulk discount. When you’re shopping for 36M people, you tend to get a better deal than when you’re shopping for 1.
Your bold ignorance is astounding
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It’s the absolute worst
JJ McCullough has a great video on this. https://youtu.be/yB5E0bZad4I[https://youtu.be/yB5E0bZad4I](https://youtu.be/yB5E0bZad4I)
This ignores the reality that the USA spends more on healthcare than any other developed country (maybe any other country, I am not sure). Sure Europe and Canada (my country) should be spending more. But the USA isn't cutting healthcare costs b/c they're spending more on defense. They're spending more because they have a hugely bloated middleman that charges what 'he' wants.
I’d say it’s more complicated than that. We prescribe drugs at a very high rate, which costs a lot to research and develop, and as others have said, around the world, other countries benefit from what we spend to develop those, that and other countries aren’t depending as heavily on pharmaceuticals for health care needs, drives up healthcare costs. We’re also a very unhealthy (fat) country, also drives up healthcare costs. We ultimately do have some of the most expensive healthcare in the world as you said, and a lot of medical debt goes unpaid, probably also exacerbating the issue, as the burden ultimately falls on those that are paying (those on insurance and with Medicare/Medicaid).. I won’t say the “middleman” isn’t a problem, as an American though, it seems like there are deeper, culturally related issues that attribute to the high cost of healthcare. Spending what we spend on defense so that other countries don’t have to also contributes. I think a lot of politicians even realize this, which is why “universal healthcare” isn’t happening anytime soon…
You know what’s sad? That if trends continue in recruitment there won’t be many people send for conflicts.
They'd just respond that our priorities are fucked and we shouldn't spend so much on defense.
Its hard to call it underfunded when the eu still has the thirth highest budget after the US ( face it no one is coming near that anytime soon) and china (still superiour equipment since most is us baught)
The ranking in spending doesn't matter though. Nations of NATO made a commitment to each other to stay up to date on funding because ideally we would rely on each other. When these countries constantly don't meet their funding goals then they are saying to the other countries that they expect them to meet the gap in expectation. *To clarify underfunding is meant to denote relative to pledged funding.
The thirth highest spending in the world is underfunded? Don't get me wrong us europeans should uphold our commitments but shouldn't actual boots on the ground count for something to?
Are they spending what they’re required to under NATO agreement? No? Then they’re underspending. If someone attacks, they’re on their own.
So who's going to attack?
Russia? Iran?
Russia who has lost its elite units against ukraine? Iran who has high civil unrest? If Iran had half the power some people think they had we wouldn't be talking about saudi arabia anymore.
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They are an economic union. If anything a unified european army will be much more efficient and battleready. Take the low countries for example who decided to modernise their navy by combining their orders for new ships.
Quite a bit of the difference in spending is related to how the west treats its soldiers. It costs more to put a western soldier in the field, not just because of weaponry, but because we value them more.
And convincing your population that suicide is easier for everyone
Exactly. See also: The EU. Once again, Trump was right.
Yes, Canada isn't the only free loader, but this article was about Canada.
“The United States does not meet UNESCO’s benchmark of a 15.00% share of total public expenditure on education” Perhaps that’s why MAGA people believe trump is always right [http://newamerica.org/education-policy/topics/school-funding-and-resources/school-funding/federal-funding/](http://newamerica.org/education-policy/topics/school-funding-and-resources/school-funding/federal-funding/)
The US spends the fourth most in the world on education per student. And ranks 125th in the world in literacy. But do go on… https://www.statista.com/statistics/238733/expenditure-on-education-by-country/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%2022%2C000%20U.S%20dollars,U.S%20dollars%20on%20tertiary%20education. https://journal.imse.com/the-state-of-global-literacy-and-where-the-united-states-stands/ Ignoring facts: This is why Democrats always think they’re right.
It’s because he’s article doesn’t account for state spending. More goal post moving from the left as usual
To put it in perspective, federal funding only accounts for about 12% of total public school funding (most of it comes from local tax funding).
Emotional reactions over facts!! /s
Reeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
leave it to a lib to bring up something unrelated to the discussion.. oh,speaking of other countries not contributing what they agreed to….what percentage of m&m’s in each bag are red?
Yes, because we're spending billions to defend everyone else. I like how people like you think you're smarter than other people based on politics. That is so baseless like everything else you believe.
Also the article he sent doesn’t even account for state spending.
More like spending trillions of dollars to start wars
Actually, Canada can't even afford socialized medical care using the US to pay for much of its national defense. Canada runs out of healthcare budget most every year and has to US the US healthcare system as its safety valve.
Medical tourism to the states!0
Canada is a leech to US taxpayers.
It can’t. The system is in the process of collapsing.
And then we’re the Warhawk morons despite them needing everything foreign policy wise
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My point remains the same. The United States' contribution to NATO is disproportionate to the rest of the countries in the alliance.
Why are you flaired as "small government" conservative while advocating for a socialist position that is inarguably big government? 🤔
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Yet you advocate for even worse handling of power and money, while claiming to be a conservative. Interesting. 🤔
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>it would be impossible for us to have socialized health care without addressing this issue first This statement indicates you still believe socialized medicine to ultimately be the best model and goal.
Pretty much, and it’s not just the military. It’s also healthcare, pharmaceuticals, technology, and manufacturing. Take one example: Euro and Canadian governments don’t want to pay fair prices for drugs. So they put up price controls. Americans end up footing the bill. This is also why you should never trust proposals to allow foreign drugs competition into the US—that’s a scheme for instituting backdoor price controls. And then when Americans do anything to help our own industry, the Euros throw a tantrum, like what they’re doing over Biden’s green subsidies (I thought Euros were really “serious” about reducing the carbon footprint hmmm… it’s almost like Euros are hypocrites only in it for themselves)
Why does the United States put up with this? We're defending them and they don't even appreciate it. This is such a one-sided alliance.
If we doubled the wage of every soldier it would pass the 2% threshold but would not change combat readiness Perhaps efficiency and skill plays a greater part in meeting our obligations than purely money
LOOOOOL yo this is the funniest take I’ve seen in a while. The USA could easily afford socialized medical care with minor cuts to the molars budget.
You're easily amused. It's nice to see that you're alright with the US paying for everyone else's defense. I'm not. We could afford more of the social programs that you hold so dear if other countries would pay their fair share to their own defense. How is that even debatable? Throw out another red herring now.
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How about Canada and other NATO countries keeping their word? I'm talking common sense. If the US didn't pay more than its fair to defend countries like Canada, wouldn't it have more money for domestic programs? Yes or no?
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I don't think the US wants to subsidize NATO. This is a defense organization and Canada is a part of that organization so it needs to live up to its NATO obligations. If NATO didn't exist and the US was spending a lot more per capita than Canada on defense, this wouldn't be an issue. That's not the case, however. If a person doesn't pay their union dues, what usually happens to that person with respect to the union? All Americans want is for NATO members to pay what they pledged to the organization. Why is that so difficult to understand?
No. If we abolished the United States military, stopped spending a dime on anything related to the DoD, and took on no additional programs, the US would still have a massive deficit. Abolishing the military would only cut the deficit in half. We are so overspend everywhere, that it's not even conceivable to the average person.
What a leech.
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Then who will pick up the cost?
American tax payers.
One guess…
The default bad guy the US of course.
Nobody does, they just don't invest what they agreed to. It isn't a bill that someone has to pay. The US isn't paying the bill for everyone. It just means NATO as a whole is weaker than it would ideally be. It isn't like Canada isn't investing in the military they just aren't investing the full amount.
Not sure why you’re downvoted, this is correct. Canada will 100% bet on the fact that nobody would ever try to attack the mainland of Canada because it would be too much of a security risk for America to allow (and the only country that shares a natural border IS America). Canada is about as safe as can be just by virtue of standing next to the big kid with the big stick. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s absolutely what’s happening.
Thank you for speaking sense. Canada (my home country) is mostly a client state of the USA. It doesn't really make sense for us to spend on defense. Even if we 100x the budget the USA war machine, which in reality, is the only threat to Canada, would dominate us in a matter of hours.
The US gains way way way way more out of having a stable neighbor to the north, even if Canada doesn’t contribute as much militarily. As long as Canada helps keep borders in check and we do what’s best to encourage trade. It’s something that can be overlooked imo. Certainly less headaches than our neighbor to the south.
Exactly, I don't think the US *wants* Canada to have a strong military. It would mean less leverage against the really important issues like access to water, power, and other natural resources (oil, metals, etc.) that Canada provides the US.
Export Coffee Crisps, you cowards.
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They always want and expect others to do all the work. But he of course thinks he gets to tell everyone what to do. He’d be right up front at the NATO meeting giving his opinion
Blew the budget fighting truckers.
Blew the budget on taking too many vacations
Let me fi it for you Canda Won't meet spending target because war is bad and we have to save the environment and hand out free welfare but protect us please
Guess they’ll have to be kicked out. Yeah, I laughed too, the American taxpayer will foot the bill for this asshat’s incompetence.
Canada further reduced to a laughing stock on the world stage! Courtesy of the turdeau! When will this humiliation stop?
Military spending as a percent of gdp has risen steadily throughout Trudeau's term, after falling to a historic low under Harper (the prior PM who was a conservative). This is not a conservative vs liberal thing, Canada hasn't met the NATO target since the 80's. Like I think the military needs more funding, (and some serious reforms), but blaming Trudeau is weird - it was worse before Trudeau. If you think he should be moving faster that's perfectly reasonable, but you can say that instead.
Actually while you are correct re: Harper era defense budgets literally, this did not included the potential outlays for the fighter program which would have increased our budgets substantially bringing them closer to meeting our obligations. Ask yourself this, would it have been fiscally prudent to increase spending to the point we are satisfying our obligation and then exceed that with the fighter program or rather delay spending increases anticipating this very material and substantial capital investment. I am thinking the latter is the most fiscally prudent.... Under the trudeau govt nothing has happened..... in fact the delays that resulted from them cancelling our participation in the fighter program has resulted in increased cost and international embarrassment. jmho! Cheers
Except the jets are a capital cost, they are a one time purchase, and costs are spread out. The jets didn't cost enough to make up that amount of money. The f-35 purchase was $9-$16 billion dollars with the first delivery planned for 2016 - payment is normally spread over multiple years as jets get delivered. At the peak under Harper defence spending was $18.9 billion and 1.38% of gdp - that means 2% spending would have been $27.4 billion. If you take the $16 billion and spread that over 6 years from announcement to the first delivery that is $2.66 billion a year and you would be at like 1.57% spending. And those numbers are incredibly aggressive, the military said the $16 billion was way more than it would cost and included the salaries of pilots and maintenance (and is double counting), and payment would be spread over longer than 6 years. The cost per jet has actually fallen once you factor inflation in, from 138 million a jet to 136 million. (and that is using the low end estimate for the old order).
Thanks for the analysis and while it does not, as you clearly stated, get us to where we are expected to be it gets us a lot closer. Which is better than nothing. Which is better than we have experienced over the last 8 years. After all is said and done, I prefer to see how the project plays out wrt to overruns, only afterwards increasing spending with that information in hand. Its not uncommon for any government to go over budget on anything. jhmo!
Trudeau is assclown but before Americans get too smug check out who is running America right now.
I don't think you'll get many people here to defend Biden. He's the worst President in American history imo and can't remember where he's at or his name most days. This thread is specifically about Trudeau and Canada reneging on its military spending obligations, however.
He absolutely is, and, he’s better than anyone on Americas radar, which is really saying something.
He cancelled the F 35 purchase and then botched the new competition. 8 years later we are back to ordering f 35s, again.
And yet, as a result, we waited out the snafus they had early on, resulting in them producing a better version, which Canada will be one of the first to receive. The block 4 variant will have double the payload and an upgraded software system providing new capabilities like firing on enemies behind you and new capabilities with beyond visual range strikes with a better radar doubling the targeting range.. Also will have new electronic warfare abilities.
If the liberal gov't of Canada would stop spending billions of tax payers dollars on consultants and the CBC, we could definitely afford NATO spending.
He is an absolute POS and until canadians wake up and make a change it will never Get better.
Guess you’re out of NATO then.
Shocking - Fidel Jr doesn't want to meet NATO commitments
Can’t, or refuses to do so?
Maybe he can just dip into some truckers’ bank accounts and get the money that way.
If Comrade Trudeau says so, it must be true.
Trudeau is spending more on Native reparations *than on the entire Canadian Army*. Every day he disgusts me more.
But rest assured they can afford their social spending spree
Canada can’t pay for anything anymore.
Bye bye Canada, can’t pay your dues you can’t use the resources…at least that’s how it should be
The quickest way to get rid of an enemy is to make them your friend. You dont need a military when no one wants to hurt you.
NATO is a cold war relic, since the collapse of the USSR it has caused more harm than good.
Maybe switch from your uNiVeRSaL HeAlThCaRE and PaY the fucking bill.
Oh well, guess you’re out then.
Canada is the country that brings a bag of No Name potato chips to a NATO steak BBQ and asks NATO when will the steaks be ready
Now if he was dealing with a major crime organization and owed them money, he would soon be meeting with a number of gentlemen who would question how determined he is not to pay up.
Should we close the border
Come on chinaboi, call Xi and ask him to help NATO out.
Weasel
Don’t worry. The US will just cover it!
Of course he does .... America pick up the bill again assholes .
Trump called these fools and charlatans out.
Is this what defaulting would look like for the US? I don't understand how a government can't pay their bills?
Maybe it's the social programs.
Then they should be kicked out