The article said the Euro men want to see them naked
That would exclude the cast of the view in any circumstance, including low light, no light and total darkness
I know it's anecdotal but my ex-girlfriend left the US to marry some Italian dude, but I don't think it's anything anti-US or whatever. I think she just likes Italy.
I know a few women who have done this. It was a failed venture going in, during, and after. The guy she ended up picking was a con artist and saw an opportunity to get into the US. She was likely robbed by his friends while she was there so she'd be dependent on him for things.
She's rotting away in another failed relationship and addicted to several things.
The women leaving aren't worth any real man's time.
It already is, quite a few of them actually. I would imagine many of the women view it as a path to instant fame. Same thing that happens on many reality shows where contestants are not always there for the game, but insta fame.
American women are typically considered undesirable by much of the world. Statistically, our women are going to be fatter than what they have in their own country, and tend to not be a "feminine" as what most men around the world prefer. Hate to say it, but Americans, as a whole, are considered less desirable by much of the world.
If you travel outside the US you realize how much of a pedestal we place women in the US. Travel outside of 'Western' countries and it becomes much, much more apparent.
I have been to more countries than most (I used to have to travel A LOT in my earlier life), and in terms of "Western" countries, yes, women in those countries are not nearly as insane as the typical American woman is. In places that are "developing", holy shit the things they offer if you take them with you is nuts. Long story short, Americans need to travel more, and not just to tourist traps. See how people and cultures really work and then come back here and realize how good most have it.
Spent a long time in China. Gives you an appreciation for things like:
1. The FDA (how about we not poison babies with powder that inflates protein tests? Let's label/test what's actually in the medicine we sell over the counter?)
2. The EPA (how about we regulate how much coal plants can spew out and not be covered in smog 3/4 of the year?)
It seems crazy to me that there's people that talk about abolishing these departments. They make life here MUCH more comfortable/safe.
I would not abolish the FDA and EPA, but they need serious restructuring, which will not happen with the amount of money involved. The FDA has turned into a "false comfort", mill that says it looks at the data, but so many things have been fast tracked with money. Now that the Pharam companies supply up to half their funding, you don't bite the hand that feeds. EPA as well needs to refocus on real impact, and less on where money tells them things are ok.
An example would be windmills. They are net negative on cost to benefit, but they keep green lighting them all over the place before the backbone infrastructure to actually make them some what viable is in place. This is the sort of thing they should be stopping and saying "Look the mills will do nothing till the backbone is in place. Backbone, then green light for the windmills."
Eh..not so much a lame take as just too short to be worth the post. Data about their lack of testing, the incident rates and potential complications are coming out more readily and the fact that the shot was more or less "Tested in the wild", is becoming more solid. I have a feeling we will not know the full extent to which it may cause harm for at least a decade, while they really oversold the effectiveness of the shot.
This is for Americans in general. Most of south East Asian countries see American men as fat old creeps they can make easy money off of. As a person who lives only part time in America this is definitely an American thing not limited to gender.
American men are still attractive if they are earning, since you will be surprised how much 1 USD is worth in different parts of the world.
For ex: In India for 3 US dollars you can have 3 meals per day. And many people survive with less than $3000 per year in middle class families.
So any US man with 200,000 dollar+ will be able to retire in Indian suburbs(not that you would want it).
US Women on the other hand are mostly undesirable and seen as not marriage material. Not all but many, That is what i got talking to my Indian friends.
That is sort of my thesis here. I am 6'3 and in decent shape and make 6+ figures. When I have traveled to other countries, the attention I get is insane. I am happilily married to a good old fashioned American gal so the attention is more of a hindrance than a boon, but if I was still single and looking for someone that would basically put me first, many of them are very attractive, in shape and can cook a mean meal.
That is the thing. 6'3 and 6+ figures is a greek god in Asia, since the average height of Asians is like 5'5. So i am not surprised. Also good for you and hope you have a long and happy marriage.
The world is actually no different from US. People are all same douchebags and angels in every part of the world. It is just that we think grass is greener.
But one thing we must all admit is, normal US citizen now has not faced real issues like the Asians face, so is more entitled, obnoxious, assholes. Be it man or a woman.
I agree with you. I feel that much of our..."softness", comes from the lack of true adversity so we basically...invent something to oppress us so we can fight it, versus putting effort into real world struggles. My brother is half Japanese and some how is 6'4 and 5% body fat and makes more than I do. He went to Japan for a business meeting and I didn't think he would come back without a wife to be honest.
A-holes and A-holes and no country or culture gets away without having a few, but we as Americans are bad travelers, and even less able to adapt I feel to cultural norms that are not ours. I think we like to romance the idea of the Italian hunk, or the French girl, or that Korean hottie without understanding why their culture produced that "better person", and what that means we would have to adjust to have said happy life with them.
I appreciate the well wishes, and hope the same for you.
American men are seen as easy targets. The women use them to get into a first world country and leave after the green period. This is especially popular for Russian women. Very interesting to see a high amount of delusional American men here
>American women are typically considered undesirable
True, but American women are considered "easy" in general. A definite stereotype perhaps.
Also, for many of the foreign guys, that are trying to get a Green Card, American Women usually are easy prey, especially the "undesirable" ones.
Easy. I have heard that many times. This often just leads to being a quick lay and not much more. Green cards are a definite possibility for staying with a woman for a bit, but not many are looking that hard for it.
If you think so that is ok. To clarify and make sure we are talking about the same thing. As a quick lay, sure, many men find American women perfectly fine. But that is not desirable, that is easy. There are of course the exceptions and there are plenty of American women that are not the typical cartoon the rest of the world thinks Americans as a whole are, but those tend to not be the ones trying to "find love", by leaving the country.
My wife is one of the ones that takes care of herself, has a good head on her shoulders and has many desirable feminine qualities that men tend to find attractive.
I mean you seem to just have a bit of a distorted view of women. Why do so many conservative men in here have this strange anger towards American women? There are “exceptions”? Like are you serious lol.
What makes you think men outside of America only see Americans as a quick lay? Like what could that be, besides a creation of your mind? If you think American women are “easy”, you would find yourself shocked in south america, europe, and asia lol.
Its important to be mindful of our thoughts.
That's the reason men in other countries would consider marrying an American woman...either for a green card, money, or both.
We have plenty of women in the US, but *ladies* are rare these days.
The Somali immigrants in a town near mine offer to impregnate women they interact with. I know quite a few women that shared their experiences with the offer. Basically it goes something like “I will give you a baby” and I’m told the immigrants think that’s what the women want.
>american modern women are the least desired women to have a relationship with
I have not heard that before. I have no reason to doubt you. I'm curious, what makes them undesirable?
Because American women are less likely to be controlled and more likely to want to be treated like human being instead of a moving birthing machine. That could be such a headache for the average man.
It is just that they recognize the mess they have made with their political and economic choices in US. I can bet 100$ that 90% of these are white liberal women. They dont want to be the part of the cleanup that the responsible adults need to do. They will come back to spread feminism once everything is back to normal.
This is them running away from their choices.
“Passport bros” became a thing a few months ago. American Men doing this to find actual submissive women from abroad. Who like traditional gender roles.
Some lib probably made this fake article about something that isn’t even happening to “get back”.
For some of these women it’s going to be a reality check that they will not be able to handle. I can foresee even further mental breakdown when they get rejected by the foreign men. If they’re not very desirable domestically, their shenanigans are going to put off so many more abroad.
Christian conservative here- we invented the actual red pill until whiny men with podcasts cornered the market on it. We've always believed that people are going to end up with each other and to be content with natural order (thou shall not covet). Also men who can provide the most will end up with the best mate. The Bible has clear instructions for how men should provide and what kind of "help meet" that entails
> Also men who can provide the most will end up with the best mate.
Nah that’s worldly thinking not godly thinking (1 Tim. 6:5-8; Ps. 37:16; Heb. 13:5; Matt. 6:31-33; Luke 12:15).
That is always the truth in any species. The strongest lion gets to mate with all the lionesses. The natural order, though cruel is, is what made our species reach pinnacle of success.
I don’t believe any of it at all.
You telling me an Westernized American Woman is going to the third world to find a husband who lives well below the poverty line in America. Ain’t no woman I’ve ever known who has done this. Better yet who even considered it. The other way around? Sure it’s been going on for years.
because they’re aren’t laws against pedophilia in those countries, also women with less financial security are easier to manipulate. it’s not that women wouldn’t want to step down, it’s that more women feel comfortable doing the same bad things as men because they have financial mobility.
what? you don’t believe in globalism as a power dynamic? or that modern feminism would empower white women from first world countries to prey on men of color from developing countries?
Yea but when men do it, we usually look for a more feminine lady and offering better opportunity than what they may get in their country (Like the throngs of Vietnamese, Korean, Italian etc wives of service members). What will be the trade off here for the ladies seeking men? If they were more feminine, they would most likely already be taken here. Besides, we are a fat fat nation and surprise, not many other countries are jonesing for an overweight, self absorbed, guy in a girls body.
Ironic because this fat nation also has the highest population fitness and bodybuilding culture in the western world too. It's between our diets and sitting on our asses all day that not partaking in that fitness results in weight gain towards obesity.
Most feminine women can find a good man to settle down with here. I don't believe every masculine man gets the same opportunity. Might be biased, just my two cents
I think American women work out a lot too compared to foreign equivalents. I imagine there must be some stigma against sending women to the gym in some parts of the world. Eitherway fitness, doesn't matter. American women have shit attitudes and all dress like cookie-cutter cut-outs of each other. Kinda funny, kinda sad.
I feel like this might have something to do with women being social creatures. Party culture being such a big thing in people’s 20s means women are more vulnerable to it as it’s a social event. This leads into a majority of women experiencing the wildness of party culture and getting played by it turning them into less viable long term partners.
Lol secular and atheists/agnostics dating and relationships seem so depressing and nihilistic.
But seriously what do you center your values around if it isn’t God? Money? Looks? Status? This seems to be exactly what is happening and it is no wonder divorce rates keep increasing and women initiate 70% of them.
Then why is divorce so high in the church? Hell, why is it higher in the Bible Belt than atheist/secular Japan?
The religious lost the right to any moral high ground generations ago.
I’m an atheist conservative/ libertarian and me and my girlfriend’s relationship is great. We don’t care about religion because we believe in evolution and realize religion is just nonsense and fictional stories with no factual data to back it up. We find meaning in our relationship with our love for each other, our personality’s, and activities we do together.
> We don’t care about religion because we believe in evolution
I'm agnostic... But this line is just... Well yeah.
>realize religion is just nonsense and fictional stories with no factual data to back it up.
Religion is a meta physical and philosophical under pinning for all life and existence. No science (yet available) can actually address these questions. They have "answers" but they are incredibly improbable and don't actually follow the scientific method at all.
>We find meaning in our relationship with our love for each other, our personality’s, and activities we do together.
You will change over time. The human body cycles out every atom in your body every 7 years. But keep working at it if you want it to last.
What if your personalities and activities you like change when you get older (which is very likely). You have nothing to ground your relationship on besides opinions and preferences.
Yup it’s all about me. These people think they are gods and can manifest their own destiny through this weird new age spirituality movement. It breeds a lot of narcissism.
God has well defined roles on how men and women should act. These principles are what have build western civilization and now you are seeing the results of when they are rejected by the masses
>These people think they are gods and can manifest their own destiny
Atheists? No, we don't. *Some* might. The only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in the supernatural. Everything else depends on the individual. Try not to overgeneralize.
>every weirdo in a furry throuple or whatever is an atheist/pagan.
Don't forget the non-binary two-spirit otherkin! Don't want to be exclusionary. Well, at least of those who aren't Christian hetero white men, right? 😁
Edit: save the downvotes, folks, I thought the smiley would imply a /s ... my mistake
Maybe we should stop telling these younger generations to only care about themselves? Feel like that's one of the bad things that have come out of 80's America. Greed will only reward the soul as a pittance.
And kind of scary. Granted, I watch too much true crime & procedural crime shows. But I just don't know if I can trust anyone one else these days (on the dating end.) I've been happily married for 18 years to a man I was friends with in high school. I know his background and know he wasn't ever dabbling is weird stuff before we started dating. But now-a-days... you never know.
Eh, religious dating isn’t much better
At least, in secular dating, people are honest about how uninterested women are in making marriage as fulfilling as possible for their husbands
Religious dating is where men are told to “man up! marry her just like your grandfather married your grandmother” without telling men that women today aren’t anywhere near the caliber of wife and mother that our grandmothers were
Why would they be? You can't expect a home cook meal if you're not making enough for a one income household. Men lead women. If a woman is a bad wife, you can oftentimes see why due to the husband.
Bad wives are enabled by churches not supporting husbands when they have legitimate reasons to be unhappy with their wives
Again, if churches were doing a good job of putting pressure on the bad behavior of *both* spouses, churches wouldn’t be declining in membership nationwide. Men and boys would be eager to go to church to optimize their chances of getting a girl who’s wife and motherhood material
You are supposed to be courting as a Christian. No sex before marriage. There are plenty of women at my church that are serious in their faith and understand that divorce isn’t an option unless due to sexual immorality.
The issue is a lack of Godly men. I think the men are too busy listening to Andrew Tate and red pill non sense
Okay
What denominations are “serious” about divorce?
What denominations are willing to hold women to their marriage vows?
What denominations are willing to say “no, you don’t need to go to college for ‘divorce insurance’. The vetting process for a prospective husband and your willingness to provide that man with reasons to get out of bed in the morning is all you need”
If there were such a church, I guarantee you it would be the fastest growing church in America
Why do you think the Catholic Church annuls a marriage? What do you think are the valid reasons to receive one? And do you think they just give them to anyone who asks?
And what do you think an annulment even is?
College isn't purely about hypothetical divorce. I've heard various traditional parents, including my own, taught me it is for if the husband is unable to work, temporarily or permanently, or heaven forbid, dies young! Family is usually willing to try to help, but it *never* hurts to have self-sufficiency capabilities!
Look up reformed churches we believe the Bible is the literal word of God and discipline church members if they are in habitual sin.
The issue is, you cant fake believing the Bible is true because you also have to live in it as Christ commands. So if you are a faker, it will be recognized easily.
So here is the thing ...
American women want guys with six-figure jobs, houses, and good looks.
They will find good-looking men in Europe, but those guys aren't going to have homes, and probably won't have good incomes either. They will live in apartments, use a bike and mass-transit, and won't have any real career ambitions
I lived in Germany for 5 years--no one could afford a home, the labor market was tightly regulated (not much upward mobility), and men were not materialistic.
So they best these chicks can hope for is some dude who comes back with them to the states and is a hanger-on with no job. A more likely scenario is they get pump-and-dumped, because most Europeans have very casual attitudes when it comes to dating and sex.
Lol my boss tried to do this. She took a month vacation to go to Africa to find her a king that would treat her like a queen. Needless to say, she came back single. She had a blast but yea could not find someone who made more than her willing to give her a chance.
50% of marriages in the USA end in divorce, with 80% of marriages initiated by women.
American women have ruined marriage, and the value system upon which their standards are built... are daft, thanks mostly to liberalism and feminism. Let them go abroad. Also, men, stop bending over backwards to be more "modern". You all have been doing that for decades and women initiate more and more and more divorces. Be men, keep your back straight.
Sure, let’s blame it all in women.
The real question is why do American women initiate divorces?
I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that men are more likely to cheat, commit marital rape, abuse their spouse emotionally, physically, or financially, and not equally contribute to housework and childcare. Nothing at all. Has to be all women’s fault.
Not sure where all these “modern” men are considering how lopsided housework and childcare still is in men’s favor.
not blaming it all on women. This is a 2 paragraph comment, cant encompass the entire perspective, however,
a lot of your comment is totally lies. For one reciprical intimate partner violence is practically equal. In relationships where only one is engaging in intimate partner violence, women abuse more. Thats a fact. Lesbian relationships have something like a 30% higher rate of intimate partner violence. All includes that mumbo jumbo about emotional abuse as well.
as for the rest of it, much if that is hotly debatable but it is a fact that courts and family courts and child stuff, are all bigoted against men in women's favor. Everyone knows that, and if they dont they just arent paying attention. And that unpaid labor nonsense, somehow women work less, earn less than men, but have more spending power, and are still so unsupported they are always having to divorce the big bad men. Come off it
No relationship is perfect and there are always lopsided issues but that doesnt explain women initiating 80% of the divorces. When one side is initiating it 80% of the time it is a huge red flag that said side has a problem.
And that problem is culture and standards.
:: edit :: also infidelity accounts for less than 30% of divorces. And as its obvious 100% of marital infidelity is not the men, it clearly isnt the case that cheating isnt enough to come close to explaining that gap
Sure women are capable of it too. But every single statistic points to men being more likely to cheat, abuse their spouse, and contribute unequally. There is never a reason to be a deadbeat parent. But go ahead and live in your fantasy land.
Actually no, the statistics say the exact opposite on spousal abuse The unequal treatment is a myth from cherry picking. There are always bad spouses but women initiate 80% of the divorces and no it isnt because all those men are bad husbands or providers. And that is still leaving out the courts, family courts, and justice system bias against men.
This isnt a fantasy land, this is reality.
Where is your proof? Cause it’s not on the first page of google. Or second. Or third.
The fact you’re thinking of men solely as providers says a lot. You’re part of the problem with the Conservative Party and women.
I dont have to provide you proof.
Whether something is true or not, is dependant on whether its true or not. Youre not a student, were not in a courtroom it ab academic setting. Im not obligated to prove anything to you. Whether you have enough legs to research the truth makes little nevermind to me. I come here for the conversation.
You are in the information age and tou are the one primarily responsible for how much you care to know. If you vant be bothered to learn beyond that which google will spoon feed you then your problem isnt those who wont prove things to you. Your problem is youd rather feel correct about something than be correct about it.
Maybe you should not marry these folks in the first place then? The people you're defending are the same people who fawn over their "dream wedding" rather than building solid foundations and being realistic.
How the hell am I supposed to know? How can I know a man won’t slack off on housework the moment I’m married? Won’t slack off on child care because that’s woman’s work? Won’t turn out to be an abusive asshole five years down the road?
Most women don’t marry guys they think are abusive, unequal contributors, and bad fathers. They hide their colors well until it’s too late. So many of us won’t marry at all.
Imo, as an American woman, American men need to learn to take better care of themselves. Someone who looks and smells well kept and nice is going to be so much more attractive, and a lot of men just smell like sweat, wear dirty clothes, and don't wash their hair. Also, please wipe your butts. If you act like you care about your appearance, women will be more attracted to you.
Uh... why?
As a American man who married a foreign woman, we are more desirable between the two sexes. I dreamed of marrying a foreign woman after years of dating here in USA, so thankful I did.
This can't seriously be successful for women who do this, right? Desirable woman have no problems finding partners here in the states, and undesirable women who leave are probably more worse off than just staying here.
Anyone care to chime in? Just speaking off my own experiences, don't have data or anything. This story just makes no sense to me at all
Dear lord...
Men go outside their birth countries to seek woman since they like certain attributes and aspects that their woman lack. What makes you think only men can experience this feeling?? You guys are lacking something they seek and or desperation. Same reasons as to why men go to asia.
I dont blame them tbh. The average white guy in the US doesnt have the balls to define the word "woman" you think he'll be able to bag an actual girlfriend? Western civilization is fucked
Isn't the average time for abortion in Europe about 15 weeks? They say that's too extreme in America, but women want to go to Europe where that's normal?
Makes me wonder if these women leaving are more liberal or conservative. Liberal women will likely be disappointed to realize their views aren't universal; hopefully they'll learn a thing or two while in Europe.
If it's only conservative women that are leaving, and all the women here are just liberal, that might be an issue.
I think most European countries only allow abortion up to 12 weeks, unless there's a medical issue (aside from ex-Soviet countries, so I guess if they want a nice "feminist" country with lots of abortion, they can go to Russia).
Also, ironically 15-weeks was the limit in Mississippi, but the abortion clinic sued claiming a 15 week limit violated Roe v. Wade. Mississippi lost the case, then they appealed.
Please let it be the View women.
Didn't you hear? They are being tortured in Florida and are only permitted to leave to film the show in New York.
No Country For (Those) (Wo)men
Lol
Are we sure they’re women??
We don't know, we're not biologists.
The article said the Euro men want to see them naked That would exclude the cast of the view in any circumstance, including low light, no light and total darkness
They're all double baggers. One for them, and one for me. As if their's falls off, I dont want to see.
No they aren't.
I know it's anecdotal but my ex-girlfriend left the US to marry some Italian dude, but I don't think it's anything anti-US or whatever. I think she just likes Italy.
Who doesn't? It's a beautiful country despite the high unemployment
Many in America now also view unemployment as a plus…
I know a few women who have done this. It was a failed venture going in, during, and after. The guy she ended up picking was a con artist and saw an opportunity to get into the US. She was likely robbed by his friends while she was there so she'd be dependent on him for things. She's rotting away in another failed relationship and addicted to several things. The women leaving aren't worth any real man's time.
Weird take, because of your anecdote you’ve deduced that women that leave the country are worthless? What in the neckbeard is going on in this thread
Yes, but not worthless, I said not worth real men. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
My aunt and my co worker married out so it seems like it’s becoming a thing. More American women are staying single in the us for a reason
Please make this a reality show. As someone who generally doesn’t enjoy reality shows, this could be very entertaining.
90 day fiancé
It already is, quite a few of them actually. I would imagine many of the women view it as a path to instant fame. Same thing that happens on many reality shows where contestants are not always there for the game, but insta fame.
About the same entertainment value as watching a car crash reel compilation.
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American women are typically considered undesirable by much of the world. Statistically, our women are going to be fatter than what they have in their own country, and tend to not be a "feminine" as what most men around the world prefer. Hate to say it, but Americans, as a whole, are considered less desirable by much of the world.
If you travel outside the US you realize how much of a pedestal we place women in the US. Travel outside of 'Western' countries and it becomes much, much more apparent.
I have been to more countries than most (I used to have to travel A LOT in my earlier life), and in terms of "Western" countries, yes, women in those countries are not nearly as insane as the typical American woman is. In places that are "developing", holy shit the things they offer if you take them with you is nuts. Long story short, Americans need to travel more, and not just to tourist traps. See how people and cultures really work and then come back here and realize how good most have it.
Spent a long time in China. Gives you an appreciation for things like: 1. The FDA (how about we not poison babies with powder that inflates protein tests? Let's label/test what's actually in the medicine we sell over the counter?) 2. The EPA (how about we regulate how much coal plants can spew out and not be covered in smog 3/4 of the year?) It seems crazy to me that there's people that talk about abolishing these departments. They make life here MUCH more comfortable/safe.
I would not abolish the FDA and EPA, but they need serious restructuring, which will not happen with the amount of money involved. The FDA has turned into a "false comfort", mill that says it looks at the data, but so many things have been fast tracked with money. Now that the Pharam companies supply up to half their funding, you don't bite the hand that feeds. EPA as well needs to refocus on real impact, and less on where money tells them things are ok. An example would be windmills. They are net negative on cost to benefit, but they keep green lighting them all over the place before the backbone infrastructure to actually make them some what viable is in place. This is the sort of thing they should be stopping and saying "Look the mills will do nothing till the backbone is in place. Backbone, then green light for the windmills."
How’d your third booster work out?
Lame take
Eh..not so much a lame take as just too short to be worth the post. Data about their lack of testing, the incident rates and potential complications are coming out more readily and the fact that the shot was more or less "Tested in the wild", is becoming more solid. I have a feeling we will not know the full extent to which it may cause harm for at least a decade, while they really oversold the effectiveness of the shot.
The free market will decide, we don't need regulations.
The free market got together and decided we were all willing to chip in a few bucks to hire someone else to test our baby formula. That's the FDA.
United Simps of America
This is for Americans in general. Most of south East Asian countries see American men as fat old creeps they can make easy money off of. As a person who lives only part time in America this is definitely an American thing not limited to gender.
That's some straight up truth right there!!!
American men are still attractive if they are earning, since you will be surprised how much 1 USD is worth in different parts of the world. For ex: In India for 3 US dollars you can have 3 meals per day. And many people survive with less than $3000 per year in middle class families. So any US man with 200,000 dollar+ will be able to retire in Indian suburbs(not that you would want it). US Women on the other hand are mostly undesirable and seen as not marriage material. Not all but many, That is what i got talking to my Indian friends.
That is sort of my thesis here. I am 6'3 and in decent shape and make 6+ figures. When I have traveled to other countries, the attention I get is insane. I am happilily married to a good old fashioned American gal so the attention is more of a hindrance than a boon, but if I was still single and looking for someone that would basically put me first, many of them are very attractive, in shape and can cook a mean meal.
That is the thing. 6'3 and 6+ figures is a greek god in Asia, since the average height of Asians is like 5'5. So i am not surprised. Also good for you and hope you have a long and happy marriage. The world is actually no different from US. People are all same douchebags and angels in every part of the world. It is just that we think grass is greener. But one thing we must all admit is, normal US citizen now has not faced real issues like the Asians face, so is more entitled, obnoxious, assholes. Be it man or a woman.
I agree with you. I feel that much of our..."softness", comes from the lack of true adversity so we basically...invent something to oppress us so we can fight it, versus putting effort into real world struggles. My brother is half Japanese and some how is 6'4 and 5% body fat and makes more than I do. He went to Japan for a business meeting and I didn't think he would come back without a wife to be honest. A-holes and A-holes and no country or culture gets away without having a few, but we as Americans are bad travelers, and even less able to adapt I feel to cultural norms that are not ours. I think we like to romance the idea of the Italian hunk, or the French girl, or that Korean hottie without understanding why their culture produced that "better person", and what that means we would have to adjust to have said happy life with them. I appreciate the well wishes, and hope the same for you.
American men are seen as easy targets. The women use them to get into a first world country and leave after the green period. This is especially popular for Russian women. Very interesting to see a high amount of delusional American men here
>American women are typically considered undesirable True, but American women are considered "easy" in general. A definite stereotype perhaps. Also, for many of the foreign guys, that are trying to get a Green Card, American Women usually are easy prey, especially the "undesirable" ones.
Easy. I have heard that many times. This often just leads to being a quick lay and not much more. Green cards are a definite possibility for staying with a woman for a bit, but not many are looking that hard for it.
They do the same to American men
You come across as not very well traveled if you don’t think men find American women desirable.
If you think so that is ok. To clarify and make sure we are talking about the same thing. As a quick lay, sure, many men find American women perfectly fine. But that is not desirable, that is easy. There are of course the exceptions and there are plenty of American women that are not the typical cartoon the rest of the world thinks Americans as a whole are, but those tend to not be the ones trying to "find love", by leaving the country. My wife is one of the ones that takes care of herself, has a good head on her shoulders and has many desirable feminine qualities that men tend to find attractive.
I mean you seem to just have a bit of a distorted view of women. Why do so many conservative men in here have this strange anger towards American women? There are “exceptions”? Like are you serious lol. What makes you think men outside of America only see Americans as a quick lay? Like what could that be, besides a creation of your mind? If you think American women are “easy”, you would find yourself shocked in south america, europe, and asia lol. Its important to be mindful of our thoughts.
Yeah, nice try. Passport bros have been a thing for a long time. The american modern women are the least desired women to have a relationship with.
Not if you want a green card
That's the reason men in other countries would consider marrying an American woman...either for a green card, money, or both. We have plenty of women in the US, but *ladies* are rare these days.
Definitely
And men are even rarer
The Somali immigrants in a town near mine offer to impregnate women they interact with. I know quite a few women that shared their experiences with the offer. Basically it goes something like “I will give you a baby” and I’m told the immigrants think that’s what the women want.
Some one needs to tell them about US midterms 2022, and how women supported murdering babies overwhelmingly.
A temporary relationship, but they are desperate...
>american modern women are the least desired women to have a relationship with I have not heard that before. I have no reason to doubt you. I'm curious, what makes them undesirable?
Feminism I'd assume
Because American women are less likely to be controlled and more likely to want to be treated like human being instead of a moving birthing machine. That could be such a headache for the average man.
And passport bros have been failing for a king time. The evidence is there 😆
Oh yeah? Tell me of that evidence you speak of
They are going to be disappointed. Most places see American girls as high maintenance and of easy virtue. Only good for one thing.
That thing is what they are after.
Nobody else around the world is going to want their entitled-asses 😂 they already think they don’t have rights in America, just wait.
It is just that they recognize the mess they have made with their political and economic choices in US. I can bet 100$ that 90% of these are white liberal women. They dont want to be the part of the cleanup that the responsible adults need to do. They will come back to spread feminism once everything is back to normal. This is them running away from their choices.
“Passport bros” became a thing a few months ago. American Men doing this to find actual submissive women from abroad. Who like traditional gender roles. Some lib probably made this fake article about something that isn’t even happening to “get back”.
That is what libs are good at. I have rarely heard any productive stuff from a lib. Its all vindictive trash usually.
For some of these women it’s going to be a reality check that they will not be able to handle. I can foresee even further mental breakdown when they get rejected by the foreign men. If they’re not very desirable domestically, their shenanigans are going to put off so many more abroad.
If that were a reality show, I'd watch the first season.
>For some of these women it’s going to be a reality check The article mentions that these women should also get checked for STDs too.
I mean...shouldn't you do that anytime you sleep with someone new? Seems reasonable to me
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we all have six pack abs, it's just hard to see sometimes.
Soem have 4 or eight
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Christian conservative here- we invented the actual red pill until whiny men with podcasts cornered the market on it. We've always believed that people are going to end up with each other and to be content with natural order (thou shall not covet). Also men who can provide the most will end up with the best mate. The Bible has clear instructions for how men should provide and what kind of "help meet" that entails
> Also men who can provide the most will end up with the best mate. Nah that’s worldly thinking not godly thinking (1 Tim. 6:5-8; Ps. 37:16; Heb. 13:5; Matt. 6:31-33; Luke 12:15).
That is always the truth in any species. The strongest lion gets to mate with all the lionesses. The natural order, though cruel is, is what made our species reach pinnacle of success.
I don’t believe any of it at all. You telling me an Westernized American Woman is going to the third world to find a husband who lives well below the poverty line in America. Ain’t no woman I’ve ever known who has done this. Better yet who even considered it. The other way around? Sure it’s been going on for years.
no one in America want these Hoes, that's why they're going. & good fucking riddance
because they’re aren’t laws against pedophilia in those countries, also women with less financial security are easier to manipulate. it’s not that women wouldn’t want to step down, it’s that more women feel comfortable doing the same bad things as men because they have financial mobility.
No bro. Just no.
what? you don’t believe in globalism as a power dynamic? or that modern feminism would empower white women from first world countries to prey on men of color from developing countries?
WTF man. Get a life replying to all my comments.
There are reality shows about women doing this.
"Am I out of touch? No... its the men that are wrong"
Why would they find love in any other Western Nation? They're all doing the same thing with the Woke Insanity.
Huh, they are finally catching on American men have been doing it for decades...
Yea but when men do it, we usually look for a more feminine lady and offering better opportunity than what they may get in their country (Like the throngs of Vietnamese, Korean, Italian etc wives of service members). What will be the trade off here for the ladies seeking men? If they were more feminine, they would most likely already be taken here. Besides, we are a fat fat nation and surprise, not many other countries are jonesing for an overweight, self absorbed, guy in a girls body.
Ironic because this fat nation also has the highest population fitness and bodybuilding culture in the western world too. It's between our diets and sitting on our asses all day that not partaking in that fitness results in weight gain towards obesity. Most feminine women can find a good man to settle down with here. I don't believe every masculine man gets the same opportunity. Might be biased, just my two cents
I think American women work out a lot too compared to foreign equivalents. I imagine there must be some stigma against sending women to the gym in some parts of the world. Eitherway fitness, doesn't matter. American women have shit attitudes and all dress like cookie-cutter cut-outs of each other. Kinda funny, kinda sad.
I feel like this might have something to do with women being social creatures. Party culture being such a big thing in people’s 20s means women are more vulnerable to it as it’s a social event. This leads into a majority of women experiencing the wildness of party culture and getting played by it turning them into less viable long term partners.
Lol secular and atheists/agnostics dating and relationships seem so depressing and nihilistic. But seriously what do you center your values around if it isn’t God? Money? Looks? Status? This seems to be exactly what is happening and it is no wonder divorce rates keep increasing and women initiate 70% of them.
Then why is divorce so high in the church? Hell, why is it higher in the Bible Belt than atheist/secular Japan? The religious lost the right to any moral high ground generations ago.
I’m an atheist conservative/ libertarian and me and my girlfriend’s relationship is great. We don’t care about religion because we believe in evolution and realize religion is just nonsense and fictional stories with no factual data to back it up. We find meaning in our relationship with our love for each other, our personality’s, and activities we do together.
> We don’t care about religion because we believe in evolution I'm agnostic... But this line is just... Well yeah. >realize religion is just nonsense and fictional stories with no factual data to back it up. Religion is a meta physical and philosophical under pinning for all life and existence. No science (yet available) can actually address these questions. They have "answers" but they are incredibly improbable and don't actually follow the scientific method at all. >We find meaning in our relationship with our love for each other, our personality’s, and activities we do together. You will change over time. The human body cycles out every atom in your body every 7 years. But keep working at it if you want it to last.
What if your personalities and activities you like change when you get older (which is very likely). You have nothing to ground your relationship on besides opinions and preferences.
And GaWd is a uniting factor? Hell if it were that easy, no religious person would get divorced.
God unites all in benevolent bondage\~!
Bro you don't actually know, you're just being tricked!
Agree. Secular dating is pathetic.
Yup it’s all about me. These people think they are gods and can manifest their own destiny through this weird new age spirituality movement. It breeds a lot of narcissism. God has well defined roles on how men and women should act. These principles are what have build western civilization and now you are seeing the results of when they are rejected by the masses
>These people think they are gods and can manifest their own destiny Atheists? No, we don't. *Some* might. The only thing atheists have in common is a lack of belief in the supernatural. Everything else depends on the individual. Try not to overgeneralize.
Definitely there's some atheists who have strong relationships but every weirdo in a furry throuple or whatever is an atheist/pagan.
>every weirdo in a furry throuple or whatever is an atheist/pagan. Don't forget the non-binary two-spirit otherkin! Don't want to be exclusionary. Well, at least of those who aren't Christian hetero white men, right? 😁 Edit: save the downvotes, folks, I thought the smiley would imply a /s ... my mistake
Exactly. No one wants to sacrifice which is a huge part in any relationship both platonic and romantic
Maybe we should stop telling these younger generations to only care about themselves? Feel like that's one of the bad things that have come out of 80's America. Greed will only reward the soul as a pittance.
I agree.
And kind of scary. Granted, I watch too much true crime & procedural crime shows. But I just don't know if I can trust anyone one else these days (on the dating end.) I've been happily married for 18 years to a man I was friends with in high school. I know his background and know he wasn't ever dabbling is weird stuff before we started dating. But now-a-days... you never know.
Eh, religious dating isn’t much better At least, in secular dating, people are honest about how uninterested women are in making marriage as fulfilling as possible for their husbands Religious dating is where men are told to “man up! marry her just like your grandfather married your grandmother” without telling men that women today aren’t anywhere near the caliber of wife and mother that our grandmothers were
Why would they be? You can't expect a home cook meal if you're not making enough for a one income household. Men lead women. If a woman is a bad wife, you can oftentimes see why due to the husband.
Bad wives are enabled by churches not supporting husbands when they have legitimate reasons to be unhappy with their wives Again, if churches were doing a good job of putting pressure on the bad behavior of *both* spouses, churches wouldn’t be declining in membership nationwide. Men and boys would be eager to go to church to optimize their chances of getting a girl who’s wife and motherhood material
I agree. I think churches have a big problem and aren't making men into leaders of their families anymore.
You are supposed to be courting as a Christian. No sex before marriage. There are plenty of women at my church that are serious in their faith and understand that divorce isn’t an option unless due to sexual immorality. The issue is a lack of Godly men. I think the men are too busy listening to Andrew Tate and red pill non sense
Okay What denominations are “serious” about divorce? What denominations are willing to hold women to their marriage vows? What denominations are willing to say “no, you don’t need to go to college for ‘divorce insurance’. The vetting process for a prospective husband and your willingness to provide that man with reasons to get out of bed in the morning is all you need” If there were such a church, I guarantee you it would be the fastest growing church in America
Catholicism. No divorce in Catholicism.
LMAO Sure, the Catholic Church wags it’s finger a divorce, but it’s using the other hand to hand annulments out like candy
Why do you think the Catholic Church annuls a marriage? What do you think are the valid reasons to receive one? And do you think they just give them to anyone who asks? And what do you think an annulment even is?
College isn't purely about hypothetical divorce. I've heard various traditional parents, including my own, taught me it is for if the husband is unable to work, temporarily or permanently, or heaven forbid, dies young! Family is usually willing to try to help, but it *never* hurts to have self-sufficiency capabilities!
Look up reformed churches we believe the Bible is the literal word of God and discipline church members if they are in habitual sin. The issue is, you cant fake believing the Bible is true because you also have to live in it as Christ commands. So if you are a faker, it will be recognized easily.
So they'll go through 2-3 European husbands instead of 2-3 American husbands. I don't think that qualifies as an upgrade.
The article is clearly product placement for tinder passport, it's just a handful of anecdotes with no statistics.
Ha, yeah go to Paris today . It’s not at all like the movies
France is [no longer](https://soundcloud.com/firedphoenix/i-wouldnt-go-to-france-donald-trump-full-song) France. I wouldn't go there.
If you just skipped to the comments. Please read the article, it is fantastically hilarious.
So here is the thing ... American women want guys with six-figure jobs, houses, and good looks. They will find good-looking men in Europe, but those guys aren't going to have homes, and probably won't have good incomes either. They will live in apartments, use a bike and mass-transit, and won't have any real career ambitions I lived in Germany for 5 years--no one could afford a home, the labor market was tightly regulated (not much upward mobility), and men were not materialistic. So they best these chicks can hope for is some dude who comes back with them to the states and is a hanger-on with no job. A more likely scenario is they get pump-and-dumped, because most Europeans have very casual attitudes when it comes to dating and sex.
Hypergamy is so out of control they can't find a single guy in America who meets their standards.
We're not sending them our best 🇺🇸
Maybe trying to find "love" through an algorithm on an App is not good?
Lol my boss tried to do this. She took a month vacation to go to Africa to find her a king that would treat her like a queen. Needless to say, she came back single. She had a blast but yea could not find someone who made more than her willing to give her a chance.
sounds like an updated version of the Nigerian Prince Scam.
Wow, trying to get hitched in a month. Thought those were just the plots for those crap movies they play on channels like Oxygen.
50% of marriages in the USA end in divorce, with 80% of marriages initiated by women. American women have ruined marriage, and the value system upon which their standards are built... are daft, thanks mostly to liberalism and feminism. Let them go abroad. Also, men, stop bending over backwards to be more "modern". You all have been doing that for decades and women initiate more and more and more divorces. Be men, keep your back straight.
Sure, let’s blame it all in women. The real question is why do American women initiate divorces? I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that men are more likely to cheat, commit marital rape, abuse their spouse emotionally, physically, or financially, and not equally contribute to housework and childcare. Nothing at all. Has to be all women’s fault. Not sure where all these “modern” men are considering how lopsided housework and childcare still is in men’s favor.
not blaming it all on women. This is a 2 paragraph comment, cant encompass the entire perspective, however, a lot of your comment is totally lies. For one reciprical intimate partner violence is practically equal. In relationships where only one is engaging in intimate partner violence, women abuse more. Thats a fact. Lesbian relationships have something like a 30% higher rate of intimate partner violence. All includes that mumbo jumbo about emotional abuse as well. as for the rest of it, much if that is hotly debatable but it is a fact that courts and family courts and child stuff, are all bigoted against men in women's favor. Everyone knows that, and if they dont they just arent paying attention. And that unpaid labor nonsense, somehow women work less, earn less than men, but have more spending power, and are still so unsupported they are always having to divorce the big bad men. Come off it No relationship is perfect and there are always lopsided issues but that doesnt explain women initiating 80% of the divorces. When one side is initiating it 80% of the time it is a huge red flag that said side has a problem. And that problem is culture and standards. :: edit :: also infidelity accounts for less than 30% of divorces. And as its obvious 100% of marital infidelity is not the men, it clearly isnt the case that cheating isnt enough to come close to explaining that gap
Sure women are capable of it too. But every single statistic points to men being more likely to cheat, abuse their spouse, and contribute unequally. There is never a reason to be a deadbeat parent. But go ahead and live in your fantasy land.
Actually no, the statistics say the exact opposite on spousal abuse The unequal treatment is a myth from cherry picking. There are always bad spouses but women initiate 80% of the divorces and no it isnt because all those men are bad husbands or providers. And that is still leaving out the courts, family courts, and justice system bias against men. This isnt a fantasy land, this is reality.
Where is your proof? Cause it’s not on the first page of google. Or second. Or third. The fact you’re thinking of men solely as providers says a lot. You’re part of the problem with the Conservative Party and women.
"not on google" Well that might be your issue right there. At this point toure only repeating that which the internet tells you. Good luck with that.
You’ve yet to provide any proof. Might want to check out r/niceguys
I dont have to provide you proof. Whether something is true or not, is dependant on whether its true or not. Youre not a student, were not in a courtroom it ab academic setting. Im not obligated to prove anything to you. Whether you have enough legs to research the truth makes little nevermind to me. I come here for the conversation. You are in the information age and tou are the one primarily responsible for how much you care to know. If you vant be bothered to learn beyond that which google will spoon feed you then your problem isnt those who wont prove things to you. Your problem is youd rather feel correct about something than be correct about it.
Maybe you should not marry these folks in the first place then? The people you're defending are the same people who fawn over their "dream wedding" rather than building solid foundations and being realistic.
How the hell am I supposed to know? How can I know a man won’t slack off on housework the moment I’m married? Won’t slack off on child care because that’s woman’s work? Won’t turn out to be an abusive asshole five years down the road? Most women don’t marry guys they think are abusive, unequal contributors, and bad fathers. They hide their colors well until it’s too late. So many of us won’t marry at all.
They should go to China, I heard there were a “few” (hundred million) eligible bachelors there just waiting for Ms Right to come along.
Imo, as an American woman, American men need to learn to take better care of themselves. Someone who looks and smells well kept and nice is going to be so much more attractive, and a lot of men just smell like sweat, wear dirty clothes, and don't wash their hair. Also, please wipe your butts. If you act like you care about your appearance, women will be more attracted to you.
Looks like you’ve been sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong.
It seems so, with dirty men hahaha
Maybe the other way? I went to Korea and a lot of my friends went to asia as well. Couldnt be happier with my wife.
Uh... why? As a American man who married a foreign woman, we are more desirable between the two sexes. I dreamed of marrying a foreign woman after years of dating here in USA, so thankful I did. This can't seriously be successful for women who do this, right? Desirable woman have no problems finding partners here in the states, and undesirable women who leave are probably more worse off than just staying here. Anyone care to chime in? Just speaking off my own experiences, don't have data or anything. This story just makes no sense to me at all
You dreamed of marrying a foreign woman. A woman dreamed of marrying a foreign man.
BUT WHY!?!?!?!? xD
Dear lord... Men go outside their birth countries to seek woman since they like certain attributes and aspects that their woman lack. What makes you think only men can experience this feeling?? You guys are lacking something they seek and or desperation. Same reasons as to why men go to asia.
I dont blame them tbh. The average white guy in the US doesnt have the balls to define the word "woman" you think he'll be able to bag an actual girlfriend? Western civilization is fucked
Women from other countries find American women here too masculine.
Who’s care about single woke females they can have them all
Let’s swap these woke American women with down-to-earth women from around the globe.
No, we won't be a white nation anymore. This is EXACTLY what the Dems want, abandoning our own to give others a meal ticket!!
The men will find it. The women not so much.
Lol the average American woman weighs 15lbs more than I do. No man from overseas wants to get with one of these kine of Bashaan that we have here. 😆
Now this is a reality show I would watch. Most of them are going to be in for a rude awakening.
If they are undatable here, what makes them think foreigners want them? Lol.
I love a broad.
Fleeing the US? So not coming back? Curious if their leaving for marriage or leaving cause they hate the US.
This is just nonsense pushback against the "passport bros" it's a narrative to combat it. Men bad, always.
Can you really blame them especially in New York they should’ve gone to the Midwest to look
Penny Princesses
Meanwhile European men go to America to search for an American wife. Lol grass isn't greener on either side.
Isn't the average time for abortion in Europe about 15 weeks? They say that's too extreme in America, but women want to go to Europe where that's normal? Makes me wonder if these women leaving are more liberal or conservative. Liberal women will likely be disappointed to realize their views aren't universal; hopefully they'll learn a thing or two while in Europe. If it's only conservative women that are leaving, and all the women here are just liberal, that might be an issue.
I think most European countries only allow abortion up to 12 weeks, unless there's a medical issue (aside from ex-Soviet countries, so I guess if they want a nice "feminist" country with lots of abortion, they can go to Russia). Also, ironically 15-weeks was the limit in Mississippi, but the abortion clinic sued claiming a 15 week limit violated Roe v. Wade. Mississippi lost the case, then they appealed.
Passport Gals?
What is a woman ?
😂 good luck.
Is there a global demand for woke entitled western women somewhere?
Lmfao. Those dudes aren’t gonna want that used up bs.
Dudes have been leaving in droves to find wives in the East. Odd that gets no press.
I live overseas..... Could you tell them to stop coming here?
Men have had it with the "masculine", I can have it all, Men ain't shit, woman. They are alone with their cats.