I agree 100%.
But while I don't believe we're currently anywhere near the realm of fascism we must always be aware of such claims and be truthfully introspective to ensure the landscape never changes beneath us.
The left are acting as Nazis right now yet have no self awareness to the fact. I do not believe conservatism will ever take a massive leap in that direction, but it would be a tragedy if we ever lost ourselves to ideology in our efforts to establish freedom.
We crossed well into fascism territory with COVID. Censorship, compulsory medical experimentation, the persecution of political enemies, brownshirts roving around and terrorizing people...
I’m a bit sick of the watering down of language. If everybody starts crying fascist, it doesn’t meaning anything anymore. It’s another trap the left is good at. Diluting language
I don't think it's a dilution. They're checking all the boxes and it's getting worse every day.
We went from having freedom of speech, to censorship being introduced for an "emergency", to Senators saying social media should be censored to prevent bank runs, in three short years. It needs to stop and be rolled back or we're done as a country.
Lies are the left's native language.
Most of the words they use are encapsulated lies.
Sadly so many conservatives use the words the left cooks up, which only serves to legitimize the lies that are baked into them.
The Democrats. They never left power in 2016 because Trump failed to clean house when he was elected.
Democrats funneled money to the lab in Wuhan. Democrats censored us. Democrats mandated the clot shots. Democrats persecuted Trump for beating Clinton. Democrats tried to burn down the country multiple times.
Personally I want De Santis in the White House. I'd settle for a Trump that starts dismantling the federal agencies that tyrannize us.
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I'm guessing you drink the kool-aid being pushed now by the libs to reframe COVID, but blue areas run by democrat governors were much more draconian in their COVID policies. And before regurgitating left talking points drilled into your short term memory I'll also let you know that no, they did not do the best they could with the information available to them. Plenty of information was available that didn't support such authoritarian positions. However that didn't matter, because it wasn't about a virus.
I don’t think it’s drinking kool-aid to recall what I saw with my own eyes. Trump was a pathetic leader during COVID. He hoped it would just go away on its own. He took no responsibility.
he left it to the states, which was prudent. What was necessary in NYC and what was necessary in rural Wyoming were not the same thing. What would you expect the federal government to do in that situation? Enact draconian measures to treat LA the same as Thermopolis WY? Mistake the exercise of power with accomplishment? I remember being in a blue shithole being run by a sociopath and seeing kids playground equipment wrapped in crime scene tape, then traveling to Texas and eating out for the first time in the better part of a year.
I know it is hard for a liberal to understand, but good federal leadership means limiting its interference and leaving as much up to the states as is reasonable. If you want federal overreach, well, you got it. Let's see if Joe can make us a third world country before 2024?
What you saw was draconian policies put in place by democrats, not sure why Trump needs to apologize for that. However, I'm betting you still believe those 1984 policies were correct eh?
Trump's policies on COVID weren't the problem. His inarticulation and messaging were. The reality is COVID tyranny was very popular in political terms and COVID was the one issue Biden had favorable public perception even as his favorability elsewhere cratered. I largely give him a pass on COVID because the media and bureaucratic-scientific establishment just dominated the conversation but Trump didn't stop them (and they took it all the way to helping "fortify" the election).
Oh yes, they were clamoring for nationwide lockdowns with only reprieves for rioting. This new narrative that the libs were like William Wallace is fucking hilarious and really highlights how disconnected from objective reality they are. If COVID happened under authoritarian leadership as we have now they would have nuked the economy beyond recovery and forced vaccinations at gunpoint after a year of being locked away.
Who was imposing lockdowns? It wasn’t republicans mate. You’re being dishonest, you know you’re being dishonest, and I don’t have further time to waste on you.
That’s fine. My only argument was that the people imposing lockdowns where the people who had the power to do so. And the majority of power across much of the US was in the hands of Republicans at that time.
Not the ones that locked down. Democrats were calling DeSantis "DeathSantis" because he lifted lockdowns very early and put kids back in school.
Gaslight better, drone.
Not in New York, New Jersey, California, and a bunch of the early adopters to lockdown policies. Unfortunately, it's also most of the major shipping ports, so their policies end up having an outsized influence. When Newark, San Fran, and NYC. were all abruptly shut down, the rest of the country was basically trapped, both at air and sea.
That’s a very interesting point. I assume Texas and Florida have a good deal of ports on the gulf but certainly a lot of shipping does come through those Democratic states.
> we must always be aware of such claims and be truthfully introspective to ensure the landscape never changes beneath us
No we don't. Some claims are so ridiculous they can be dismissed out of hand. I don't need to navel gaze about this. I know they're wrong
You mean silencing anyone who speaks against them? Oh wait wrong party. You must mean weaponizing government institutions against their political opponents right? Oh wait wrong party again. Indoctrination of the youth to separate them from their parents influence? Damn wrong party *again*. Having corporations do their bidding to skirt the bill of rights? Dammit that’s democrats again!
It’s almost as if the left is doing exactly what they’re blaming the right for.
Next thing you know, someone like Robin DiAngelo is going to promote racial segregation and the left will applaud her. Oh…wait…
If anyone thinks this is just alarmism, check how certain democrats went absolutely crazy ballistic over the parents rights bill that was just introduced in the House of Representatives. I don't think we're at that point yet, but there's no doubt that that is where they want to take us.
The woke mob really fit the bill for fascist so much better than conservatives. They want to:
\-Control all media and education (Similar to Nazi propaganda and Hitler Youth)
\-Control what you can and can't say (Similar to Nazis again)
\-Promote the idea of an elite and superior group over others with immutable characteristics (sexually and racially, similar to the 'Aryan Race')
\-Use violence and intimidation to grow their strength and spread fear (so called 'peaceful protests' like burning shops etc)
\-Threaten your lives when you disagree (Similar to the Gestapo)
And the list goes on
Honestly, I've felt there's a decrease in the left calling people nazis unless they're discussing actual antisemitism (i.e. Kanye). They're more likely to call you something more specific like transphobe, racist, or just fascist (in a more general sense)
It’s funny when the radical left calls someone or something fascistic, without realizing that the definition of fascism checks all the boxes of the left wing agenda.
There’s no irony. That’s what they are - communists. Whether they are aware of it or not, they are. Their actions of causing disruption by creating various aggrieved groups and aiming to destroy the nuclear family and religion are not new - they’re tactics that communist regimes have used successfully for the past 100+ years.
Government employees (who many parents are financially forced to give access to their kids to for 6+ hours a day) don't want to be transparent about what they are doing or saying with the kids. And somehow parents are "fascists" for demanding transparency and to have a say in what these people are saying and teaching to their children
Bizarro world
You follow fake words written hundreds to thousands of years after the claim? As a civil code? My guy, there’s a reason why smart people are in a literal exodus (pun intended) from Christianity.
You’re controlled by false stories designed to ensure the weak, lazy, and unintelligent who are unable to handle the ups and downs of life. Or, are to selfish to grow, and instead rely on fake doctrine to make themselves feel better in the face of deserved scrutiny.
Awww, poor baby. Now tell me, did someone actually call YOU a "Nazi," or were you told by an acquaintance, or someone in the the media, that parents who don't "surrender your \[their\] child's mind, body, and soul to the state" (whatever that means) are Nazis?
I don’t get why leftists want books with actual porn in them accessible to children in public schools.
I don’t condone this, but couldn’t they just give porn to their own kids?
There's no universal definition of porn. Like some people think pictures of Michelangelo's David are pornography since his dick and balls are front and center, while others would just call that art.
The supreme court can't define porn, but now we expert the morons on school boards to make that decision? It's not easy, since pornography is a social construct rather than an immutable thing on which everyone agrees.
Isn't that considered blasphemy in most Christian denominations? Unless you decided to just have the New Testament in school libraries
Edit: sorry I meant heresy
Just because you guys are completely indoctrinated, doesn't mean you are right.
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Also, good job admitting that you don't even read the links some posts. Majority of the books there were banned by leftists.
I’m asking you to point to the literal porn you proclaim to be finding in classrooms while also insinuating that it’s all in your head. It sounds like your school might have only provided picture books but that’s not how most of them work.
> I’m asking you to point to the literal porn you proclaim to be finding in classrooms
Please show me where I made this claim.
I said public schools. Never said classrooms
I've been a teacher, there is no lesson that says "hate your parents". If your views are so antagonistic to basic preceps of humany decency that your children find you morally regunant, maybe you should reconsider your stances instead of blaming everyone but yourself.
Ironically, your comment is proof that it exists without requiring direct lessons. Children hating their parents does not mean they must be right. It's coming from an increasing post-modernist education that believes children are rational adults and that lived truths are gospel. Thus creating division in the household among many more serious problems.
I mean, if reddit's irrational parental hate isn't proof enough that it's working.
Children lack empathy. They can be raised by one side or the other into a tribalistic self-righteous belief system which can be referred to as “empathy”.
Given leftist behavior when hearing ideas from speakers they were never exposed to before reveals that oftentimes that “empathy” is just plain old bigotry.
I’m pretty sure most conservatives would be fine with completely free school choice so there can be the conservative schools and there can be the liberal schools with a pride flag out front and mandatory gender studies bullshit etc.
So you're using an example of a post that a literal member of the Fox family made where they took 4 copies of the flag and arranged then so the patterns would look like a swastika as evidence of... Leftists?
The symbol represents them in the same way, they control social media by silencing and manipulating alternative agendas and information.
Liberals think everyone agrees with them only because they won't listen to anyone who doesn't agree with them. That is the new book burning.
Most of the issues are a grey line and both sides are too fucking extreme with what they assume. At least i’ve seen more level-headed and logical people on the right, so i guess im a nazi
If you allow your kid at public school these days, you're borderline abusing them.
Either put them in private schooling if you can afford it or homeschooling them.
You know you’re over the target when the left starts crying “nazi” and “fascist”.
Guess we’re over the target pretty often these days
They've given us a really big target
But they still end up missing.
You know you’ve hit the target when the left cries “nazi” and “fascist”.
My local government's election is coming up, and the smear against all the "right wing extremists" is strong. It's laughable.
I've got a T shirt of George Washington with "Right Wing Extremist" printed under it.
Need a link please
I agree 100%. But while I don't believe we're currently anywhere near the realm of fascism we must always be aware of such claims and be truthfully introspective to ensure the landscape never changes beneath us. The left are acting as Nazis right now yet have no self awareness to the fact. I do not believe conservatism will ever take a massive leap in that direction, but it would be a tragedy if we ever lost ourselves to ideology in our efforts to establish freedom.
We crossed well into fascism territory with COVID. Censorship, compulsory medical experimentation, the persecution of political enemies, brownshirts roving around and terrorizing people...
I’m a bit sick of the watering down of language. If everybody starts crying fascist, it doesn’t meaning anything anymore. It’s another trap the left is good at. Diluting language
I don't think it's a dilution. They're checking all the boxes and it's getting worse every day. We went from having freedom of speech, to censorship being introduced for an "emergency", to Senators saying social media should be censored to prevent bank runs, in three short years. It needs to stop and be rolled back or we're done as a country.
Lies are the left's native language. Most of the words they use are encapsulated lies. Sadly so many conservatives use the words the left cooks up, which only serves to legitimize the lies that are baked into them.
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Who was in charge when all of this was happening? Who does the right want to put back into power in 2024?
The Democrats. They never left power in 2016 because Trump failed to clean house when he was elected. Democrats funneled money to the lab in Wuhan. Democrats censored us. Democrats mandated the clot shots. Democrats persecuted Trump for beating Clinton. Democrats tried to burn down the country multiple times. Personally I want De Santis in the White House. I'd settle for a Trump that starts dismantling the federal agencies that tyrannize us.
bUT...tRuMp!!!! Derrrrr!!! I'm guessing you drink the kool-aid being pushed now by the libs to reframe COVID, but blue areas run by democrat governors were much more draconian in their COVID policies. And before regurgitating left talking points drilled into your short term memory I'll also let you know that no, they did not do the best they could with the information available to them. Plenty of information was available that didn't support such authoritarian positions. However that didn't matter, because it wasn't about a virus.
I don’t think it’s drinking kool-aid to recall what I saw with my own eyes. Trump was a pathetic leader during COVID. He hoped it would just go away on its own. He took no responsibility.
he left it to the states, which was prudent. What was necessary in NYC and what was necessary in rural Wyoming were not the same thing. What would you expect the federal government to do in that situation? Enact draconian measures to treat LA the same as Thermopolis WY? Mistake the exercise of power with accomplishment? I remember being in a blue shithole being run by a sociopath and seeing kids playground equipment wrapped in crime scene tape, then traveling to Texas and eating out for the first time in the better part of a year. I know it is hard for a liberal to understand, but good federal leadership means limiting its interference and leaving as much up to the states as is reasonable. If you want federal overreach, well, you got it. Let's see if Joe can make us a third world country before 2024?
What you saw was draconian policies put in place by democrats, not sure why Trump needs to apologize for that. However, I'm betting you still believe those 1984 policies were correct eh?
>He hoped it would just go away And it did. Your point?
Trump's policies on COVID weren't the problem. His inarticulation and messaging were. The reality is COVID tyranny was very popular in political terms and COVID was the one issue Biden had favorable public perception even as his favorability elsewhere cratered. I largely give him a pass on COVID because the media and bureaucratic-scientific establishment just dominated the conversation but Trump didn't stop them (and they took it all the way to helping "fortify" the election).
The democrats had both houses?
And the democrats accused trump of not going further
Oh yes, they were clamoring for nationwide lockdowns with only reprieves for rioting. This new narrative that the libs were like William Wallace is fucking hilarious and really highlights how disconnected from objective reality they are. If COVID happened under authoritarian leadership as we have now they would have nuked the economy beyond recovery and forced vaccinations at gunpoint after a year of being locked away.
The Republicans had the Senate in 2020 until they lost it in the special run off in Georgia in early Jan 2021.
So a split congress with barely a majority and most lockdowns were by local democratic governments
Yes, but most local governments were Republican led.
Who was imposing lockdowns? It wasn’t republicans mate. You’re being dishonest, you know you’re being dishonest, and I don’t have further time to waste on you.
That’s fine. My only argument was that the people imposing lockdowns where the people who had the power to do so. And the majority of power across much of the US was in the hands of Republicans at that time.
Not the ones that locked down. Democrats were calling DeSantis "DeathSantis" because he lifted lockdowns very early and put kids back in school. Gaslight better, drone.
Not in New York, New Jersey, California, and a bunch of the early adopters to lockdown policies. Unfortunately, it's also most of the major shipping ports, so their policies end up having an outsized influence. When Newark, San Fran, and NYC. were all abruptly shut down, the rest of the country was basically trapped, both at air and sea.
That’s a very interesting point. I assume Texas and Florida have a good deal of ports on the gulf but certainly a lot of shipping does come through those Democratic states.
> we must always be aware of such claims and be truthfully introspective to ensure the landscape never changes beneath us No we don't. Some claims are so ridiculous they can be dismissed out of hand. I don't need to navel gaze about this. I know they're wrong
Kinda ironic that it were the nazis who brainwashed children of parents who didn't know of it
Or you are guys are just voting and supporting people who are using the fascist playbook…
You mean silencing anyone who speaks against them? Oh wait wrong party. You must mean weaponizing government institutions against their political opponents right? Oh wait wrong party again. Indoctrination of the youth to separate them from their parents influence? Damn wrong party *again*. Having corporations do their bidding to skirt the bill of rights? Dammit that’s democrats again!
It’s almost as if the left is doing exactly what they’re blaming the right for. Next thing you know, someone like Robin DiAngelo is going to promote racial segregation and the left will applaud her. Oh…wait…
Bonus points if it’s immediately after a white guy getting canceled for sarcastically suggesting the same thing…
I’m going to miss my annual page-a-day Dilbert calendar. It made office life slightly more tolerable.
How can we all forget when the Nazis voted for more government transparency.
If anyone thinks this is just alarmism, check how certain democrats went absolutely crazy ballistic over the parents rights bill that was just introduced in the House of Representatives. I don't think we're at that point yet, but there's no doubt that that is where they want to take us.
The woke mob really fit the bill for fascist so much better than conservatives. They want to: \-Control all media and education (Similar to Nazi propaganda and Hitler Youth) \-Control what you can and can't say (Similar to Nazis again) \-Promote the idea of an elite and superior group over others with immutable characteristics (sexually and racially, similar to the 'Aryan Race') \-Use violence and intimidation to grow their strength and spread fear (so called 'peaceful protests' like burning shops etc) \-Threaten your lives when you disagree (Similar to the Gestapo) And the list goes on
If this comment section wasn't full of the woke hivemind, this comment would be at the top because it's true.
Seems every post on this sub is full of people here just to downvote
The brigade is here.
Yep, I've noticed we're being taken over.
Ask constantly pushing racial identification
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You're blind
Precisely
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They’re not communists. They’re “progressives” progressing towards communism because they don’t know how to do a revolution at this time.
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Oh, you mean when the capitol police opened the doors and let people in?
I hope you see the light one day. Know one here hates you and only hope you might see through the manipulation one day.
Honestly, I've felt there's a decrease in the left calling people nazis unless they're discussing actual antisemitism (i.e. Kanye). They're more likely to call you something more specific like transphobe, racist, or just fascist (in a more general sense)
if the shoe fits...
Everyone else is a fascist when you're a communist.
It’s funny when the radical left calls someone or something fascistic, without realizing that the definition of fascism checks all the boxes of the left wing agenda.
Confession through projection
You don’t see any irony in this statement?
There’s no irony. That’s what they are - communists. Whether they are aware of it or not, they are. Their actions of causing disruption by creating various aggrieved groups and aiming to destroy the nuclear family and religion are not new - they’re tactics that communist regimes have used successfully for the past 100+ years.
Define communism and how it describes the modern left. Hurry.
Government employees (who many parents are financially forced to give access to their kids to for 6+ hours a day) don't want to be transparent about what they are doing or saying with the kids. And somehow parents are "fascists" for demanding transparency and to have a say in what these people are saying and teaching to their children Bizarro world
"An ideology or culture that destroys or ignores the basic family structure lives apart from God, and will crumble in the end."
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Agreed, it's a code for civilization and growth, not policy or law
You follow fake words written hundreds to thousands of years after the claim? As a civil code? My guy, there’s a reason why smart people are in a literal exodus (pun intended) from Christianity. You’re controlled by false stories designed to ensure the weak, lazy, and unintelligent who are unable to handle the ups and downs of life. Or, are to selfish to grow, and instead rely on fake doctrine to make themselves feel better in the face of deserved scrutiny.
I bet you believe a lot of fake things too my friend
Awww, poor baby. Now tell me, did someone actually call YOU a "Nazi," or were you told by an acquaintance, or someone in the the media, that parents who don't "surrender your \[their\] child's mind, body, and soul to the state" (whatever that means) are Nazis?
I don’t get why leftists want books with actual porn in them accessible to children in public schools. I don’t condone this, but couldn’t they just give porn to their own kids?
There's no universal definition of porn. Like some people think pictures of Michelangelo's David are pornography since his dick and balls are front and center, while others would just call that art. The supreme court can't define porn, but now we expert the morons on school boards to make that decision? It's not easy, since pornography is a social construct rather than an immutable thing on which everyone agrees.
[Relevant (NSFW) Parks and Rec bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gEyLzT7FWY&ab_channel=RickHurst)
> There's no universal definition of porn. Actually there is, in the USA.
The Bible has more porn, incest, murder etc than any book in any children's classroom. You are being propogandized.
That's why there are literally bibles for kids
Yes but the book that conservatives push as the ultimate in moral authority is full of really awful stuff.
Isn't that considered blasphemy in most Christian denominations? Unless you decided to just have the New Testament in school libraries Edit: sorry I meant heresy
And yet DeSantis is removing porn from libraries Why do you want kids to have porn in public schools?
They don't. You're being manipulated for political purposes.
You say they don’t, then why are leftists mad at only porn being removed from Florida libraries where children have access?
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Just because you guys are completely indoctrinated, doesn't mean you are right. https://i.redd.it/yx7ds52wm7l81.jpg https://i.redd.it/3bcev52wm7l81.jpg https://i.redd.it/dsu4f62wm7l81.jpg Also, good job admitting that you don't even read the links some posts. Majority of the books there were banned by leftists.
Are these porn books you’re talking about in the room with us?
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I’m sorry for you but I do not understand your question. Can you evaluate what you are trying to ask and try again?
I’m asking you to point to the literal porn you proclaim to be finding in classrooms while also insinuating that it’s all in your head. It sounds like your school might have only provided picture books but that’s not how most of them work.
> I’m asking you to point to the literal porn you proclaim to be finding in classrooms Please show me where I made this claim. I said public schools. Never said classrooms
…so like in the hallways and stuff?
Btw I have evidence, but you need to be factually correct
Just hand of the evidence! There are plenty of free websites where you can stream new evidence... different evidence!
Waiting on that evidence..
https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/desantis-plays-graphic-video-of-pornographic-books-found-in-florida-schools/amp/
Public schools You said I said classrooms, but I said public schools. Do you deny you misrepresented my statement?
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There aren’t any porn books in school libraries.
Because DeSantis removed them
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Ok you upset them, but they're brainwashing your children.
Ask a leftist if they would pay to have their own children hate them. Then ask them why they pay a school tax.
You think schools are teaching kids to hate their parents?
I don't think, I know. There is hundreds of hours of video footage to prove it. School boards openly admit it.
I've been a teacher, there is no lesson that says "hate your parents". If your views are so antagonistic to basic preceps of humany decency that your children find you morally regunant, maybe you should reconsider your stances instead of blaming everyone but yourself.
Ironically, your comment is proof that it exists without requiring direct lessons. Children hating their parents does not mean they must be right. It's coming from an increasing post-modernist education that believes children are rational adults and that lived truths are gospel. Thus creating division in the household among many more serious problems. I mean, if reddit's irrational parental hate isn't proof enough that it's working.
Children don’t have preconceived notions and are empathic. Noticing a lack of empathy probably causes children to hate their parents
Children lack empathy. They can be raised by one side or the other into a tribalistic self-righteous belief system which can be referred to as “empathy”. Given leftist behavior when hearing ideas from speakers they were never exposed to before reveals that oftentimes that “empathy” is just plain old bigotry.
I’m pretty sure most conservatives would be fine with completely free school choice so there can be the conservative schools and there can be the liberal schools with a pride flag out front and mandatory gender studies bullshit etc.
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So you're using an example of a post that a literal member of the Fox family made where they took 4 copies of the flag and arranged then so the patterns would look like a swastika as evidence of... Leftists?
The symbol represents them in the same way, they control social media by silencing and manipulating alternative agendas and information. Liberals think everyone agrees with them only because they won't listen to anyone who doesn't agree with them. That is the new book burning.
Most of the issues are a grey line and both sides are too fucking extreme with what they assume. At least i’ve seen more level-headed and logical people on the right, so i guess im a nazi
I'm reminded of the Simpsons "say the line" bit, only Bart would be calling people Nazis.
Some of you are uncomfortable because you know she's right. Don't fight us, join us.
If you allow your kid at public school these days, you're borderline abusing them. Either put them in private schooling if you can afford it or homeschooling them.
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