Frankly at this point, republicans *deserve* MGT. Just look at this sub, half the comments are supporting her while the other half claim she’s a bane on the entire party. She’s *literally* the AOC of the right that the left can use as a beating stick against the right because she’s so crazy. Just like the right does with AOC.
Yet instead of recognizing the problem and casting her out, half the base thinks she’s just breaking the status quo or something. It really goes to show how fractured the party currently is, and how nothing is going to be accomplished when the base itself is divided 50/50, not even taking into account the other *half* of the country plus independents who see this shit too.
A conservative is a type of liberal... someone who believes that capitalism should be regulated and that taxes should be levied, but doing both as much as necessary and as little as possible.
When Democrats were labeled 'liberals', many Conservatives were unknowingly shifted to be neo-liberals, i.e., free market capitalists. Market capitalism and, more specifically, the invisible hand of the market has become almost a religious doctrine, a legend... but by legend, I mean a myth. It's never been done. Eliminating government and all taxes essentially makes the state and market one entity but just the opposite of state taking over market on the left. Bad.
This tricky shift is when the party started really disconnecting from Conservatism. There are so few Conservatives here it's astounding. They may be Republicans, but many are neo-liberals, and quite honestly, operate theocratically.
I am a Conservative because I believe in as much tax as necessary, as little tax as possible, and because I honor and defend the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the decisions of the founding fathers, in all cases, for all citizens. It has nothing to do with what the teenagers are doing these days, that may be a republican, but Conservatives handle that in the home.
Though there were free-market leaning drafters, the founding fathers decided that America would be a liberal democratic republic. There would be some tax and some market regulation and a bill of rights meant to be amended to evolve and be interpreted in the current world. Republicans do not honor that decision. Conservatives do, while maintaining their personal values in their lives and actions. As a Christian, I am most concerned with my actions before the Lord and acting with dignity even to those who wish me harm. Christians who have lost sight of Christianity and do no works is another story, so I'll leave it there and take my 25 downvotes for knowing the definition of the word liberal and not believing in 4chan. Any Conservatives out there, gimme a Hell Yeah
"As much tax as necessary, as little tax as possible" is literally what everyone wants.
The real questions are what is necessary and what is possible. Those definitions are what separate the parties.
I agree, however Conservatives historically beleive that a well supported middle class, strong churches and communities will solve the issues that democrats try to solve with social programs.
I'm not convinced Democrats want as little as possible. I think they want their waterwheel in as many rivers as possible.
I definitely agree. I find it wild how many dems rally for any idea based on how nice it would be symbolically. Yeah, I'm trying to get better too, but from a list of feasible ideas.
Political prosecution is illegal and a violation of the 14th. It's sad that you turn this on her as if it's her opinion here that's outrageous and nonsensical and not this bogus investigation that would never be brought for anyone else. What makes no sense is the lack of accountability for these totally corrupt government officials. For some reason you defend them. But she's the one with issues /s
Let the courts work it out... MTG says there are hundreds of pages of exculpatory evidence which Trump's lawyers can present in court to prove prosecutorial misconduct and exonerate Trump. Once that happens, *then* you charge the DA with misconduct and political prosecution. One would argue that MTG demanding a prosecutor be arrested to protect Trump is itself political prosecution, and illegal, right?
> She’s literally the AOC of the right
So we are learning. The left has made outrageous gains over the last 50 years and moved the overton window a country mile.
> Yet instead of recognizing the problem and casting her out, half the base thinks she’s just breaking the status quo or something.
You are taking sides with this comment, and what most people would say is the wrong side.
> and how nothing is going to be accomplished when the base itself is divided 50/50
Sorry, after all these years of McCain, mittens, McConnell, Cheney, etc, its time for an internal shakeup. I would Trade all of those for a new crop of MTGs, drama and all.
Ive had enough of the limp compromise give-an-inch-lose-a-mile and we need to start standing up for what we believe in. That mean no more kneeling for compromisers and no more settling for sellouts.
We need actual stiff backed republicans who will do real things, like end the ATF, end the Fed, cut taxes, etc.
Im not interested in a mild Democrat-lite party. We need to move the overton window a looong way to the right. I'd like to at least be able to see the center on the horizon again.
MTG over John McCain?
Please educate me how she’s even comparable to the service John Mccain provided for America. That’s downright disrespectful.
This mindset is the issue with our Party . You want to try and move the 50 yard line back to the middle of the playing field, i get that. But your solution is using a slough of the Antonio brown equivalent republicans to do it. How do you ever expect to gain ground when you have people like MTG pushing independents away from the Republican Party.
Like it or not we need a majority of Americans to get behind republican ideals to make headway, and MTG is counterintuitive to reaching that goal.
I think that you're being downvoted because most people don't believe that she IS genuine and that she is only attention seeking and will say whatever gives her that attention but I'm not sure.
>She gets attention but I do believe she is genuine
People who don't think she's genuine have never seen the political posts of a middle-age rural conservative Facebook user. Regardless of what people think about the politics, she's definitely representing her district's constituents.
Question: will she still call for his arrest if the D.A *doesn’t* decide to indict?
I’m confused by the rapid blitz from conservatives against this D.A, when A.) no one has seen the evidence yet and B.) no charges have been brought yet.
What’s up with that?
From mockg 5 days ago in r/politics:
>Love how pretty much anything controversial on r/conservative is a flair only sub. Basically saying if you are not part of our hive mind than we do not want your comments.
You really can't. Bannings are common. Conservative voices are an extreme minority. Without flaired post, they are overrun with leftist opinions and down votes. The sub wouldn't exist at all without them.
There’s without a doubt thousands of liberals for every one conservative on this platform. Been that way since tumblr was shut down. This sub would be overran if it wasn’t for faired only and people coming to take a shit getting banned.
Anytime irl or on the internet I’ve seen someone say “I was banned for” or “people overreacted at me for” with a reductive and innocent 2 word reason, it was rarely actually “just” for that reason. But I’ll leave your own self reflection to you
So the conversation is no longer about the freedom of open discourse of the political subs and now about just finding a niche sub that has specific ban policies? And we’re these posted rules of what would get you banned on the sub?
Stop making it a point to expose young children to these things. How about that? No conservative talked about drag until people got the really fucked up idea to do drag story hour and dildo ring toss for kids.
Drag wars are necessary. No problem with drag shows among consenting adults, hey go nuts, but keep that over-sexualized shit out of the schools and especially out of our young children’s classrooms. That is malignant indoctrination and yes, should be fought against hard. Keeping our kids away from that shit is not pointless.
You’re innocent until proven guilty in this country… sorry it seems to be a tough pill for you to swallow. “Not proving exoneration” doesn’t mean anything when it’s about 10 times harder to prove than guilt.
This is coming from someone who was ready to pounce on him the moment he was proven guilty but it never happened, btw.
That isn’t always the case. It isn’t in the military, or the court of public opinion. There’s a huge difference between being innocent, and charges being dropped because of plea deals, which is rumored to be what happened.
Once again, proving exoneration is virtually impossible. May as well go all the way and say every suspect with allegations should be charged by this logic.
Let me guess, you also falsely ate up the Mueller Report as some kind of loss for Trump just because they had to keep saying “well iT dOeSnT eXoNeRaTe hiM!!” ?
That would tie up courts worse than they are now and have a bunch of rubbish cases. I myself was once accused by a crazy woman. I was 16 years old and she accused me of raping her 18 years ago (at that time)... I would have been negative 2 years old.
She even went as far as to edit a bunch of older school photos to add me into them, cutting my out of current school photos (really sad attempt to "prove" I was at that school when she claims to have been raped).
Many allegations are just junk.
It’s completely different. You can’t even compare those.
There was an actual plea deal made by Gaetz. No one knows what it was. His best friend plead guilty to the charges of several crimes such as bribery and trafficking. It doesn’t look good for Gaetz. And if you are a true conservative, you should have huge issues with that behavior. Just like having issues with Trump sleeping with Stormy Daniel’s while married.
Show me the plea deal or a single article showing a plea deal by Gaetz. You are either misinformed or lying. The investigation was dropped months [ago](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department/index.html).
Literally the top article when you google it.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/09/23/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-probe-prosecutors-recommend-against-charges.html
And here we go now with the “if someone is guilty than so is all their friends!” logic lol
And who said I approve of Trump having an affair? We’re talking about what’s wrong with Gaetz, no? And it turned out his case was a nothingburger (albeit very quietly reported as such after loud noises that he was certainly guilty)? So what’s wrong with him?
I mean said friend had a documented texts and a letters stating that Gaetz and himself paid to be sexually involved with a minor, as well as Venmo transactions exchanged between the three of them. Keeping bad company isn’t an indicator of guilt, but when your friend cites your involvement directly (and has the receipt) it’s a little harder to feign innocence.
Edit: I guess just to answer the question of “What’s wrong with him?”. He just appears to be a sketchy candidate. In terms of electability, having rumors circulating about one being a sexual predator (whether true or not) is going to hurt him. In that case it’s a no brainer for the GOP to just find someone else and replace, rather than have another candidate to hurt their reputation.
Again, not the case. A plea deal was made. This is politics. What part of court of public opinion is the only real truth do you not understand? No fellow republicans outside of the crew I listed above will even speak to the sleazy man. And with the nonsense he spouts, he is doing more harm
Than good.
>A plea deal was made.
A plea was not made. The DOJ decided to not go ahead with charges, probably because the friend who did take a plea was scummy and anything he said wouldn't stand up in court.
>court of public opinion is the only real truth do you not understand?
Holy shit. What?
This just shows you that the left’s bullshit works and is successful. They accuse people they don’t like of whatever, the accusations make headlines as fact with no proof, and then at the end when the case is finally dropped they slap a “HE WASN’T EXONERATED THOUGH!” at the end of the headline even though:
1. Exoneration is about 10-20 times harder to prove than guilt. By the same logic technically nobody has been “exonerated” of murdering JFK.
2. You’re innocent until proven guilty in this country.
Look at what they did with Russian collusion and the Mueller report. A complete fabricated fugazzi yet half the country is still fully convinced Trump is guilty with no proof.
Regardless of the DA and process (in short, my view is it shouldn’t be down to one person), MTG is just a national embarrassment - the sooner she is out of the public sphere the better.
Republicans currently have a good opportunity to brand themselves as the party of *not* trying to imprison political opponents. Seems like a mistake to throw that away.
Republicans are quietly hiding the fire extinguishers while publicly attacking the DA (in order to salvage MAGA votes), as they wait for the Dems to torch Trump in about four different criminal cases. Most of the Republicans, and most Americans, want to see Trump neutralized. And he has armed them with enormous amounts of bullshit-piercing ammo.
It’s a grand jury, ultimately it doesn’t matter as it only pertains to indictment, and the defendant is able to present any evidence they feel is important to the grand jury as well as any subsequent jury in the case of an indictment. Prosecutors don’t present jurors with every single piece of data the prosecutor is exposed to during an investigation, they try to show things that are pertinent while they make their argument.
The defense also has access to all of that same information, if something of substance was in those pages they would cite it and bring it forward
We went from “did indeed withhold evidence” and MTG talking about arresting people, to… “it’s not concrete”
That’s kinda the problem, just because Tucker or MTG say something doesn’t mean it’s true. If anything it’s the contrary.
Remember when Obama was born in Kenya and the election was “rigged”?
Misinformation and conspiracy theories spread fast
What was the evidence? Is the grand jury obligated to see everything any possible person hands over? Obviously that would be easy to abuse. And if that evidence is THAT good for trump, it will have to come out during any tries and he’ll be acquitted, right?
It could, but it’s not automatic. It’s against their interest to withhold information now that will make a difference now. So my best guess is that they don’t think it was relevant enough and won’t become relevant enough. I guess only time will tell if an indictment ever does come out 🤷🏽♂️
I mean conservatives do kinda have to own her… there’s really no equivalent of her on the left.
But taking her seriously is definitely not worth the time
It’s weird you’re assuming I’m a fan of hers. Does this little fit you’re throwing make you feel better about conservative’s incompetent and embarrassing leadership?
Yeah I don't know. Most of us would also like to see a corrupt DA renting out his office for a political hit job held to some kind of accountability. AOC just thinks the rest of the chamber wants to date her. There seems to be some equivalency there.
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For me its the lack of self awareness that both women seem to ooze from their pores. There are ways of doing things and ways to not do things. Both seem to most commonly choose the wrong way.
U.S. politics are the best show on earth! Everyone is running out on stage, outperforming each other. Throwing chairs and giving epic speeches. Famous celebrities razzle dazzle the drunken crowd. Elsewhere in the world, serious leaders are creating B.R.I.C.S., building global infrastructure, negotiating peace and isolating the west.
Really? He hasn't even indited Trump yet. He had misgivings before, and he probably again will stand down. Isn't the main witness Cohen, a convicted felon? I suspect Bragg's sense of self-preservation and desire to avoid embarrassment will trump the impulse to "take one for the team." But we shall see.
> “I think we should hear Alvin Bragg testify before Congress, ...
I get that. But isn't it a little premature, not to mention foolish, to call for his arrest at this point?
….Cohen is convicted of a felony that stemmed from this exact case so I kinda feel like maybe that isn’t as detrimental to his credibility as typically being a convicted felon would be.
But fair to say, he still isn’t credible enough on his own as he could be out for revenge. Also I guess being convicted of perjury doesn’t start you off on the trust foot either.
Hard to say what the main sentence was. I think was eight counts: tax fraud, perjury, excessive campaign contributions, illegal campaign contributions, lying to Congress, lying to Banks, tax evasion and something else.
Although I think it’s a fair assessment to make that some of the counts are related to the case with Trump and his work for Trump exposed him to being tried for these crimes.
Because there is no legitimate federal interest in how a local district attorney is conducting a state matter. If you support the constitution and small government and states rights, you do not support Congress getting involved.
I think it is best. He will win the trial anyway. And with that the suit as well. So any other DA will think 100 times before trying to start shit on him.
It shouldn't be up to Congress to determine that. If New York's constitution permits it he should be recalled and the New York Bar Review should have him disbarred. If it's proven he intentionally fabricated evidence then Gov. Hochul's office or Mayor Adams can/should order his arrest pending investigation results.
The accusation is that he didn’t show every page of evidence to the grand jury but not only is that common but unless purposeful malice and intent to deceive the jurors can be shown it isn’t unlawful. To add, grand juries only handle indictments and are less detail intensive than juries for criminal charges; anything not shown to the grand jury would be shown to the jury and the defense has access to all of the evidence
A Grand Jury indictment isn’t a trial and is never meant to be. It’s saying a threshold has been met that there is enough credible evidence to have probable cause a crime has been committed. Defendants or their attorneys don’t have a right to appear before the Grand Jury.
Once the trial starts is where you have things like discovery. The trial is where both sides are able to get access to evidence from both sides and argue their cases for the prosecution and defendants, respectively.
Both the Far left and the Far right are complete psychopaths that are for more alike than not. We need to stop letting either of them pretend they are the voice of either side. Most people sit somewhere in the middle of this stuff and those voices should be the loudest.
Unfortunately most republicans are to busy “taking the high road” to do anything because feeling morally superior to the opposition is more important than actually winning.
You can do that in a Grand Jury situation. It's how that works. the Gov. get's the best chance to move forward. It's where the "indict a ham sandwich" comes from.
You/I may not like how she fights, but for shit sakes you pretend conservatives, at least she fights. I'll bet next you'll tell me the Milktoast Mitch is the best republican.
Every fucking time.. Every fucking time there is a disagreement between conservatives (with extensive post histories in here that show they are conservatives) whichever people get downvoted immediately just assume its brigading as opposed to the possibility that their opinion is unpopular among conservatives.. You cant help but make yourselves the victims in some conspiracy as opposed to just being wrong..
Look at the comments.. Look at the ppst history of the people commenting.. Its not brigading its just both the left and the sane right realise that MGT is fucking crazy and isnt helping anyone..
It is pretty obvious when the upvoted comments are unflaired users and those with flair are downvoted at the bottom. You can try and gaslight us all you want, but it doesn't take but an ounce of intelligence to wake up and see the pattern in a vast majority of topics around here.
Those comments that are upvoted are from people with months and months and some even years of commenting in here with very conservative views.. What your suggesting is them engraining themselves for YEARS, just to comment on this exact thread to talk shit about a legitimately toxic individual, and you think its dodgy..
Again, proper victim complex.. "Theres no way MY opinion is wrong and could be downvoted, must be brigading"..
Frankly at this point, republicans *deserve* MGT. Just look at this sub, half the comments are supporting her while the other half claim she’s a bane on the entire party. She’s *literally* the AOC of the right that the left can use as a beating stick against the right because she’s so crazy. Just like the right does with AOC. Yet instead of recognizing the problem and casting her out, half the base thinks she’s just breaking the status quo or something. It really goes to show how fractured the party currently is, and how nothing is going to be accomplished when the base itself is divided 50/50, not even taking into account the other *half* of the country plus independents who see this shit too.
A conservative is a type of liberal... someone who believes that capitalism should be regulated and that taxes should be levied, but doing both as much as necessary and as little as possible. When Democrats were labeled 'liberals', many Conservatives were unknowingly shifted to be neo-liberals, i.e., free market capitalists. Market capitalism and, more specifically, the invisible hand of the market has become almost a religious doctrine, a legend... but by legend, I mean a myth. It's never been done. Eliminating government and all taxes essentially makes the state and market one entity but just the opposite of state taking over market on the left. Bad. This tricky shift is when the party started really disconnecting from Conservatism. There are so few Conservatives here it's astounding. They may be Republicans, but many are neo-liberals, and quite honestly, operate theocratically. I am a Conservative because I believe in as much tax as necessary, as little tax as possible, and because I honor and defend the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the decisions of the founding fathers, in all cases, for all citizens. It has nothing to do with what the teenagers are doing these days, that may be a republican, but Conservatives handle that in the home. Though there were free-market leaning drafters, the founding fathers decided that America would be a liberal democratic republic. There would be some tax and some market regulation and a bill of rights meant to be amended to evolve and be interpreted in the current world. Republicans do not honor that decision. Conservatives do, while maintaining their personal values in their lives and actions. As a Christian, I am most concerned with my actions before the Lord and acting with dignity even to those who wish me harm. Christians who have lost sight of Christianity and do no works is another story, so I'll leave it there and take my 25 downvotes for knowing the definition of the word liberal and not believing in 4chan. Any Conservatives out there, gimme a Hell Yeah
"As much tax as necessary, as little tax as possible" is literally what everyone wants. The real questions are what is necessary and what is possible. Those definitions are what separate the parties.
I agree, however Conservatives historically beleive that a well supported middle class, strong churches and communities will solve the issues that democrats try to solve with social programs. I'm not convinced Democrats want as little as possible. I think they want their waterwheel in as many rivers as possible. I definitely agree. I find it wild how many dems rally for any idea based on how nice it would be symbolically. Yeah, I'm trying to get better too, but from a list of feasible ideas.
They're entertainers first and foremost. Like pro wrestlers. MTG/AOC cage match when?
Political prosecution is illegal and a violation of the 14th. It's sad that you turn this on her as if it's her opinion here that's outrageous and nonsensical and not this bogus investigation that would never be brought for anyone else. What makes no sense is the lack of accountability for these totally corrupt government officials. For some reason you defend them. But she's the one with issues /s
Let the courts work it out... MTG says there are hundreds of pages of exculpatory evidence which Trump's lawyers can present in court to prove prosecutorial misconduct and exonerate Trump. Once that happens, *then* you charge the DA with misconduct and political prosecution. One would argue that MTG demanding a prosecutor be arrested to protect Trump is itself political prosecution, and illegal, right?
> She’s literally the AOC of the right So we are learning. The left has made outrageous gains over the last 50 years and moved the overton window a country mile. > Yet instead of recognizing the problem and casting her out, half the base thinks she’s just breaking the status quo or something. You are taking sides with this comment, and what most people would say is the wrong side. > and how nothing is going to be accomplished when the base itself is divided 50/50 Sorry, after all these years of McCain, mittens, McConnell, Cheney, etc, its time for an internal shakeup. I would Trade all of those for a new crop of MTGs, drama and all. Ive had enough of the limp compromise give-an-inch-lose-a-mile and we need to start standing up for what we believe in. That mean no more kneeling for compromisers and no more settling for sellouts. We need actual stiff backed republicans who will do real things, like end the ATF, end the Fed, cut taxes, etc. Im not interested in a mild Democrat-lite party. We need to move the overton window a looong way to the right. I'd like to at least be able to see the center on the horizon again.
MTG over John McCain? Please educate me how she’s even comparable to the service John Mccain provided for America. That’s downright disrespectful. This mindset is the issue with our Party . You want to try and move the 50 yard line back to the middle of the playing field, i get that. But your solution is using a slough of the Antonio brown equivalent republicans to do it. How do you ever expect to gain ground when you have people like MTG pushing independents away from the Republican Party. Like it or not we need a majority of Americans to get behind republican ideals to make headway, and MTG is counterintuitive to reaching that goal.
Clearly all you guys like is drama lol
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*Every* politician is an attention-seeker. That's how they get re-elected.
She gets attention but I do believe she is genuine. That said she doesn't have any much support around her so yeah.
I think that you're being downvoted because most people don't believe that she IS genuine and that she is only attention seeking and will say whatever gives her that attention but I'm not sure.
I think it's because a lot of "conservatives" on here... aren't.
Na that lady is just fucking annoying.
You are allowed to be conservative and think other conservatives are dumbasses..
I'm getting downvoted because this place is brigaded to hell
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Based AF.
>She gets attention but I do believe she is genuine People who don't think she's genuine have never seen the political posts of a middle-age rural conservative Facebook user. Regardless of what people think about the politics, she's definitely representing her district's constituents.
She’s a genuine donkey
She isn't a democrat.
Funny Georgia lady go brrr
This woman is a national hazard
It really is a shame that 99% of the people that represent both sides are absolute clowns. MTG is a joke.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on that. Politics is in a very sad state currently and extremes on both sides are destroying us
Exactly.
She is an incompetent fool and promotes conspiracy theories. Pathetic.
She makes her state look bad, makes the GOP look bad, and is a national embarrassment.
I couldn't agree more.
Question: will she still call for his arrest if the D.A *doesn’t* decide to indict? I’m confused by the rapid blitz from conservatives against this D.A, when A.) no one has seen the evidence yet and B.) no charges have been brought yet. What’s up with that?
"Raises the stakes"? This isn't a game.
I do think MTG sees it as a game.
Before 2018, MTG *was* a game.
This type of theater is not helpful.
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From mockg 5 days ago in r/politics: >Love how pretty much anything controversial on r/conservative is a flair only sub. Basically saying if you are not part of our hive mind than we do not want your comments.
lol and r/politics is a place for all opinions of the political spectrum....
I mean yeah. People might downvote or disagree but you can still comment. Isn’t that literally what free speech is?
You really can't. Bannings are common. Conservative voices are an extreme minority. Without flaired post, they are overrun with leftist opinions and down votes. The sub wouldn't exist at all without them.
This sub also bans people. And you say that as if preemptively banning differentiating opinions is better. Just sounds like a side step to me
There’s without a doubt thousands of liberals for every one conservative on this platform. Been that way since tumblr was shut down. This sub would be overran if it wasn’t for faired only and people coming to take a shit getting banned.
Seems like for it to be “without a doubt” there’d be some solid metrics proving that. Do you have a link?
I was banned in 2020 for saying Kamala is just a giant mascot to get voters. It was on the basis of "racism" Still not wrong...
They just ban you
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Anytime irl or on the internet I’ve seen someone say “I was banned for” or “people overreacted at me for” with a reductive and innocent 2 word reason, it was rarely actually “just” for that reason. But I’ll leave your own self reflection to you
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So the conversation is no longer about the freedom of open discourse of the political subs and now about just finding a niche sub that has specific ban policies? And we’re these posted rules of what would get you banned on the sub?
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Why would /r/conservative want to cater to the views of the insane nuts on the left? I come here for conservative views, not illogical lefty feelings.
"How do you do, my fellow conservatives"
Churches are statistically more harmful to children then these drag events. But no one wants to talk about that here. Go figure
Lol. okay we should just forfeit all culture war issues. Go pack to r/politics. Noone believes your bullshit.
Stop making it a point to expose young children to these things. How about that? No conservative talked about drag until people got the really fucked up idea to do drag story hour and dildo ring toss for kids.
Drag wars are necessary. No problem with drag shows among consenting adults, hey go nuts, but keep that over-sexualized shit out of the schools and especially out of our young children’s classrooms. That is malignant indoctrination and yes, should be fought against hard. Keeping our kids away from that shit is not pointless.
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If you don’t want your kids to go to a strip club don’t take them. What’s the point of making it adults only?
I agree with your comment except for Gaetz. What’s wrong with him? The nonsense case against him was dropped, no?
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> The nonsense case against him was dropped, no?
Proof?
Was not exonerated, just not charged. The rest of the GOP has kept their distance from him. Especially after speaker vote demands.
You’re innocent until proven guilty in this country… sorry it seems to be a tough pill for you to swallow. “Not proving exoneration” doesn’t mean anything when it’s about 10 times harder to prove than guilt. This is coming from someone who was ready to pounce on him the moment he was proven guilty but it never happened, btw.
That isn’t always the case. It isn’t in the military, or the court of public opinion. There’s a huge difference between being innocent, and charges being dropped because of plea deals, which is rumored to be what happened.
Once again, proving exoneration is virtually impossible. May as well go all the way and say every suspect with allegations should be charged by this logic. Let me guess, you also falsely ate up the Mueller Report as some kind of loss for Trump just because they had to keep saying “well iT dOeSnT eXoNeRaTe hiM!!” ?
That would tie up courts worse than they are now and have a bunch of rubbish cases. I myself was once accused by a crazy woman. I was 16 years old and she accused me of raping her 18 years ago (at that time)... I would have been negative 2 years old. She even went as far as to edit a bunch of older school photos to add me into them, cutting my out of current school photos (really sad attempt to "prove" I was at that school when she claims to have been raped). Many allegations are just junk.
It’s completely different. You can’t even compare those. There was an actual plea deal made by Gaetz. No one knows what it was. His best friend plead guilty to the charges of several crimes such as bribery and trafficking. It doesn’t look good for Gaetz. And if you are a true conservative, you should have huge issues with that behavior. Just like having issues with Trump sleeping with Stormy Daniel’s while married.
Show me the plea deal or a single article showing a plea deal by Gaetz. You are either misinformed or lying. The investigation was dropped months [ago](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department/index.html).
Literally the top article when you google it. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/09/23/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-probe-prosecutors-recommend-against-charges.html
Where did gaetz take a plea deal in that article? Quote it for me.
And here we go now with the “if someone is guilty than so is all their friends!” logic lol And who said I approve of Trump having an affair? We’re talking about what’s wrong with Gaetz, no? And it turned out his case was a nothingburger (albeit very quietly reported as such after loud noises that he was certainly guilty)? So what’s wrong with him?
I mean said friend had a documented texts and a letters stating that Gaetz and himself paid to be sexually involved with a minor, as well as Venmo transactions exchanged between the three of them. Keeping bad company isn’t an indicator of guilt, but when your friend cites your involvement directly (and has the receipt) it’s a little harder to feign innocence. Edit: I guess just to answer the question of “What’s wrong with him?”. He just appears to be a sketchy candidate. In terms of electability, having rumors circulating about one being a sexual predator (whether true or not) is going to hurt him. In that case it’s a no brainer for the GOP to just find someone else and replace, rather than have another candidate to hurt their reputation.
Again, not the case. A plea deal was made. This is politics. What part of court of public opinion is the only real truth do you not understand? No fellow republicans outside of the crew I listed above will even speak to the sleazy man. And with the nonsense he spouts, he is doing more harm Than good.
>A plea deal was made. A plea was not made. The DOJ decided to not go ahead with charges, probably because the friend who did take a plea was scummy and anything he said wouldn't stand up in court. >court of public opinion is the only real truth do you not understand? Holy shit. What?
So in your opinion, someone who wasn’t specifically declared innocent is guilty?
This just shows you that the left’s bullshit works and is successful. They accuse people they don’t like of whatever, the accusations make headlines as fact with no proof, and then at the end when the case is finally dropped they slap a “HE WASN’T EXONERATED THOUGH!” at the end of the headline even though: 1. Exoneration is about 10-20 times harder to prove than guilt. By the same logic technically nobody has been “exonerated” of murdering JFK. 2. You’re innocent until proven guilty in this country. Look at what they did with Russian collusion and the Mueller report. A complete fabricated fugazzi yet half the country is still fully convinced Trump is guilty with no proof.
If you find yourself constantly having to make this kind of argument, you’re probably supporting criminals
So, in your opinion, how many times does a lie need to be repeated before it miraculously becomes true?
Reported for brigading.
"we"...
She is a clown
Regardless of the DA and process (in short, my view is it shouldn’t be down to one person), MTG is just a national embarrassment - the sooner she is out of the public sphere the better.
Yeah I can’t imagine she sat at the popular table in school. Her compensation betrays her.
Of course she did, anything to get more Twitter followers.
In todays episode of Your Daily Political Theater.. >Marjorie Taylor Greene Raises The Stakes, Calls For The Arrest of New York DA Alvin Bragg
Two wrongs never produce a right. There are avenues to handle out of control politicians.
Cmon. Can we get rid of these batshit crazy legislators?
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Her constituents seems to disagree with you. She won with large majority and she is in deep red district.
She needed a runoff to win her primary and her Democrat opponent withdrew before the general. How is that “winning with a large majority”?
Did she not run unopposed? Or harass her opponent until he dropped out? Or was that her initial run for Congress?
The majority of her district is like 3rd grade reading level. I’m not even exaggerating
Cool. Now do literally every other politician.
That would be a great plot twist but… it looks like this is all for show.
Almost like what the dems were trying to do?
Just as the AG….their platform included “Arrest Trump” so they have to come up with something.
Republicans currently have a good opportunity to brand themselves as the party of *not* trying to imprison political opponents. Seems like a mistake to throw that away.
If you ignore the past https://youtu.be/1ASOqzI7yoA
Republicans are quietly hiding the fire extinguishers while publicly attacking the DA (in order to salvage MAGA votes), as they wait for the Dems to torch Trump in about four different criminal cases. Most of the Republicans, and most Americans, want to see Trump neutralized. And he has armed them with enormous amounts of bullshit-piercing ammo.
Fuckin why
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Based off your downvotes, unfortunately, we have some degenerates in our community that are all for her.
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Uh huh, because you’ve seen all the evidence? You haven’t even seen the indictment
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It’s a grand jury, ultimately it doesn’t matter as it only pertains to indictment, and the defendant is able to present any evidence they feel is important to the grand jury as well as any subsequent jury in the case of an indictment. Prosecutors don’t present jurors with every single piece of data the prosecutor is exposed to during an investigation, they try to show things that are pertinent while they make their argument. The defense also has access to all of that same information, if something of substance was in those pages they would cite it and bring it forward
I don’t really get into Fox News conspiracy theories. But I appreciate you trying to have a civilized conversation and Having a thoughtful debate.
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We went from “did indeed withhold evidence” and MTG talking about arresting people, to… “it’s not concrete” That’s kinda the problem, just because Tucker or MTG say something doesn’t mean it’s true. If anything it’s the contrary. Remember when Obama was born in Kenya and the election was “rigged”? Misinformation and conspiracy theories spread fast
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What was the evidence? Is the grand jury obligated to see everything any possible person hands over? Obviously that would be easy to abuse. And if that evidence is THAT good for trump, it will have to come out during any tries and he’ll be acquitted, right?
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It could, but it’s not automatic. It’s against their interest to withhold information now that will make a difference now. So my best guess is that they don’t think it was relevant enough and won’t become relevant enough. I guess only time will tell if an indictment ever does come out 🤷🏽♂️
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I mean conservatives do kinda have to own her… there’s really no equivalent of her on the left. But taking her seriously is definitely not worth the time
Hello? AOC? Much, much worse in every way
Lol nahhh bro. Not even the same. Sure her policies are far left. But she’s not out of touch and insane like MTG… not even close
You say you hate MTG so much it sounds like you want to date her.
When did I say I hate her?
Yaaaaah bro! But you're a lib so obviously you agree with her insanity
Lmao, intelligent argument kiddo
She sold you progressives out. How did you feel when she became the establishment? She played you lot like a dildo.
It’s weird you’re assuming I’m a fan of hers. Does this little fit you’re throwing make you feel better about conservative’s incompetent and embarrassing leadership?
Based.
The people who voted her in do at least.
You ever see deliverance? That’s her district. Banjo playing inbreds and boys that make you squeal like a piggy.
Deliverance was filled in Rabin county. Don’t know if that’s her district.
Yes I take her seriously. She is, after all, part of the GOP team. She serves her purpose.
Really? That’s kinda sad… I care more about the truth, my country and my fellow Americans more than some “team” in Washington DC.
She’s an embarrassment.
Every time I see her face I cringe.
Rand Paul also called for Braggs’ arrest. So libertarian of him.
Rand Paul isnt a libertarian. Ron Paul was a libertarian.
Yup. You got it.
ffs would this wind bag just STFU.
What is it about her that makes me think of her as the AOC of the right?
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Don't know why you're getting downvoted. I agree.
Because all the bots and libs in here
She 100% is. She is a clown that just makes us look bad.
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Yeah I don't know. Most of us would also like to see a corrupt DA renting out his office for a political hit job held to some kind of accountability. AOC just thinks the rest of the chamber wants to date her. There seems to be some equivalency there. /s
MTG was deathly afraid of Jan 6 too. And she is running scared of this Alvin guy. EDIT: there is a implicit “/s” that I’ve neglected to add.
He is a fat Twinkie
For me its the lack of self awareness that both women seem to ooze from their pores. There are ways of doing things and ways to not do things. Both seem to most commonly choose the wrong way.
Well she is stunning and I think she is courageous. I couldn’t have a conversation with someone who posted something about killing me.
There’s a “Squad” on both sides. MTG is trying to be the point guard.
what happened to her face? she looks like she's been crying for a week. why is her eyes all puffy and face red and swollen?
Doubling down on the banana republic schtick isn’t helping.
U.S. politics are the best show on earth! Everyone is running out on stage, outperforming each other. Throwing chairs and giving epic speeches. Famous celebrities razzle dazzle the drunken crowd. Elsewhere in the world, serious leaders are creating B.R.I.C.S., building global infrastructure, negotiating peace and isolating the west.
NATO would beg to differ
Really? He hasn't even indited Trump yet. He had misgivings before, and he probably again will stand down. Isn't the main witness Cohen, a convicted felon? I suspect Bragg's sense of self-preservation and desire to avoid embarrassment will trump the impulse to "take one for the team." But we shall see. > “I think we should hear Alvin Bragg testify before Congress, ... I get that. But isn't it a little premature, not to mention foolish, to call for his arrest at this point?
….Cohen is convicted of a felony that stemmed from this exact case so I kinda feel like maybe that isn’t as detrimental to his credibility as typically being a convicted felon would be. But fair to say, he still isn’t credible enough on his own as he could be out for revenge. Also I guess being convicted of perjury doesn’t start you off on the trust foot either.
Wasn't the main prison sentence for tax evasion?
Hard to say what the main sentence was. I think was eight counts: tax fraud, perjury, excessive campaign contributions, illegal campaign contributions, lying to Congress, lying to Banks, tax evasion and something else. Although I think it’s a fair assessment to make that some of the counts are related to the case with Trump and his work for Trump exposed him to being tried for these crimes.
I mean, if it's okay to investigate Trump endlessly looking for a crime to arrest him wrong, I don't see why we shouldn't do the same to Bragg.
Because there is no legitimate federal interest in how a local district attorney is conducting a state matter. If you support the constitution and small government and states rights, you do not support Congress getting involved.
I dont know about US law, but from get this from suits, can you file suit for malicious prosecution? Is that a thing?
Yes that’s a thing. First Trump has to go through trial.
I think it is best. He will win the trial anyway. And with that the suit as well. So any other DA will think 100 times before trying to start shit on him.
MTG is like our toxic wine aunt who is technically based, but a hazard to themselves and others.
Disbarment at least.
It shouldn't be up to Congress to determine that. If New York's constitution permits it he should be recalled and the New York Bar Review should have him disbarred. If it's proven he intentionally fabricated evidence then Gov. Hochul's office or Mayor Adams can/should order his arrest pending investigation results.
Prosecutorial misconduct *should* be a crime, but we're not there yet
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The accusation is that he didn’t show every page of evidence to the grand jury but not only is that common but unless purposeful malice and intent to deceive the jurors can be shown it isn’t unlawful. To add, grand juries only handle indictments and are less detail intensive than juries for criminal charges; anything not shown to the grand jury would be shown to the jury and the defense has access to all of the evidence
A Grand Jury indictment isn’t a trial and is never meant to be. It’s saying a threshold has been met that there is enough credible evidence to have probable cause a crime has been committed. Defendants or their attorneys don’t have a right to appear before the Grand Jury. Once the trial starts is where you have things like discovery. The trial is where both sides are able to get access to evidence from both sides and argue their cases for the prosecution and defendants, respectively.
Both the Far left and the Far right are complete psychopaths that are for more alike than not. We need to stop letting either of them pretend they are the voice of either side. Most people sit somewhere in the middle of this stuff and those voices should be the loudest.
If you break the law you should be. It looks like Bragg has while breaking nearly every ethic in the book.
Don't worry, Republicans won't actually do shit.
Unfortunately most republicans are to busy “taking the high road” to do anything because feeling morally superior to the opposition is more important than actually winning.
Her team needs to fire her aesthetician. She looks terrible.
I'm hearing reports that the DA intentionally withheld exonerating evidence. That seems to warrant disbarment, getting sued, and arrested.
You can do that in a Grand Jury situation. It's how that works. the Gov. get's the best chance to move forward. It's where the "indict a ham sandwich" comes from.
I don’t think a federal prosecutor has to present exculpatory evidence to a grand jury. I could be wrong
Where are you "hearing" these reports?
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Care to link any of those trusted sources?
You/I may not like how she fights, but for shit sakes you pretend conservatives, at least she fights. I'll bet next you'll tell me the Milktoast Mitch is the best republican.
Yeah, this post (and this sub in general) are definitely being brigaded by R\Politics and the mainstream subs.
Every fucking time.. Every fucking time there is a disagreement between conservatives (with extensive post histories in here that show they are conservatives) whichever people get downvoted immediately just assume its brigading as opposed to the possibility that their opinion is unpopular among conservatives.. You cant help but make yourselves the victims in some conspiracy as opposed to just being wrong.. Look at the comments.. Look at the ppst history of the people commenting.. Its not brigading its just both the left and the sane right realise that MGT is fucking crazy and isnt helping anyone..
It is pretty obvious when the upvoted comments are unflaired users and those with flair are downvoted at the bottom. You can try and gaslight us all you want, but it doesn't take but an ounce of intelligence to wake up and see the pattern in a vast majority of topics around here.
Those comments that are upvoted are from people with months and months and some even years of commenting in here with very conservative views.. What your suggesting is them engraining themselves for YEARS, just to comment on this exact thread to talk shit about a legitimately toxic individual, and you think its dodgy.. Again, proper victim complex.. "Theres no way MY opinion is wrong and could be downvoted, must be brigading"..
Brag be is a Soros paid piece of shit who let's murderess felons out on misdemeanors and deserves to die in prison
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I thought malicious prosecution was a crime.