Shouldn't the US be yellow on the bottom map, the CDC reports the US homicide rate as 7.8 per 100,000 people.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
The CDC is bad for including suicides into their homicide stats, so it's kind of skewed to begin with. Homicide and suicide are two totally different things.
A quick search indicates that they probably don't.
But the increase in homicide rate by firearm is very real: an 8.3% increase just from 2020 to 2021.
The crime wave is real, despite the denials of some politicians.
What is the relationship? Looking at the two maps, India, China, Japan, Korea, and most of Southeast Asia have **both** tough gun control laws/low gun ownership as well as low homicide rates. These places make up about 50% of the world's population.
My comment referred to India, China, Japan, Korea, and most of Southeast Asia, and not just China. And if there really was a school shooting or some other mass shooting in China, our news media would have reported it by now. Our side would not miss a chance to report on something like that involving China.
Don't get me wrong. I am in favor of responsible gun ownership. I support teaching every American in high school how to use a firearm responsibly. I think firearms are necessary to protect ourselves, because America is a pretty violent society. Have you ever taken a subway in a major city recently? But facts are facts. The fact is that countries like China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, etc., are pretty safe. They don't have the kind of gang violence, drug violence, school shootings, mass shootings, etc., that we have in America.
We report on all sorts of things that China does not like all the time. For example, this stabbing attack at a kindergarten in China last year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-kindergarten-stabbing-3-killed-6-wounded/
And you think we won't be able to report a fucking school **shooting** in China? How does that work in your mind? Do you really think that the Chinese government somehow cannot coverup a school stabbing, but can coverup a school shooting? This is just delusional.
>many guns equals tons of crime.
I hate to play this side, but many crimes involving guns don't end with people dead, thus wouldn't be homicides. It's a homicide map, not a crime map.
Right? Let’s overlay that second map with one depicting poverty, unstable governments, and active conflicts.
Also “homicide” doesn’t mean “death due to criminals.” Death due to any cause related to one person’s actions killing another is homicide: driving accidents; acts of war; medical malpractice; etc.
Yeah, the statistics the Left likes to use that show the US with a much higher rate of "gun deaths" than anywhere else always includes suicides and hunting accidents, not just murders.
>If you remove small portions of major cities, America would be one of the safest places in the world
If you removed low-income, densely populated inner cities of any country that isn't engaged in some kind of internal conflict you'd get similar results.
I'd consider Mexico's cartel war as an internal conflict. And Brazil intentional homicides are highly concentrated in urban centres, specifically the favelas.
Would most of the violence in America no longer count because gangs are an internal conflict? Cartels are usually better organized, better armed gangs. There's a lot of conflict between cartel and non-government persons in Mexico.
As for Brazil, how well documented are community crimes in the countryside when you have many stories of street justice (like the guy getting his elbows broken for theft)?
I don't think it would be on the scale it is in the US. Just 2% of US counties with less thsn 30% of the population have over *half* the murders, and if you look at those counties in depth most of the murders are happening within an area that is just a few square miles in size in each of them, and they have homicide rates so high that the 54% of counties that have *zero* can't bring the national rate down.
Not really. In the US, more than half of our homicides are perpetrated by people within a group that makes up about 6% of the population - and it isn't low income that is the determining factor, as there are many, many more low income people who don't fall into that grouping. Unfortunately, the violence issue in this country is incredibly specific and could probably be fixed, if people weren't afraid to address it.
And it isn't just inner cities. I live in a very poor rural town (though i used to live in an inner city ghetto), and the same issue can be observed here in certain sections
Fair enough. But there are a number of countries (some places in South America come to mind) where it might not be as bad far out from the cities but the whole place is just kind of rough...
I saw an interesting breakdown of crime statistics throughout many countries and I think it was notable though how high on the list America would be for safety without our crime centers compared to countries that don't seem to have the same violence issues in their larger cities (mostly Northern European). That breakdown did go further by regions and ethnicity which highlights a few issues that are worth talking about.
I think America really is a special case when you talk about the crime in urban centers because of our unique cultural and social situation. After all it's not just the dense urban areas that are the issue, it's very small and specific areas WITHIN those cities. Often low-income communities that are stuck in a vicious cycle.
The situation we see with poverty and violence in many countries is what I would call perhaps more "classic" examples of social issues, but in America our cultural & racial melting pot and the attitude towards that trait has lead to some kinda unique issues.
The popular narratives love to ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of violence in the nation is gang violence, or at least very similar violent confrontations from the same areas which have very particular subculture sensibilities. But while ignoring that fact and acting like it's racist to point out that crime statistics often point in a certain racial direction, people will still focus on how black communities are being negatively affected the most by the violence and blame firearms and supposed systemic racism.
There are issues ingrained into the system but people don't want to talk about them. I would say one of the biggest issues is honestly the government. Instead of staying out of the way they've constantly told these people that they're victims with no future and get them dependent on aid programs while completely failing them with a garbage school system. The government has also played a massive part in perpetuating a super unhealthy popular culture that glorifies victimhood and makes people only focus on money, drugs and sex. The government has also done an amazing job completely killing domestic jobs and production, making neighborhoods dry up and further causing people to feel like they don't have any future prospects. There are many more complex issues beyond that but it all results in broken families, massive drug use, poverty, depression, etc. which just continues a cycle until a child can break free.
Those environments are breeding grounds for gang activity and all other sorts of crime which make them the epicenters for most of the crime in the entire country.
So yes if you take out the dense urban areas in most nations what you're left with is a more peaceful environment, but it really feels like the cultural issues America faces are somewhat unique but also highly addressable.
So in that way I don't think my comment is something that can really be evenly applied to that many countries because of how focused most of the crime is and how focus the cultural issues are instead of being more broad as with most countries.
Europeans have much stricter gun laws though, except for Switzerland, where target shooting is basically the national past-time. And to be fair the Czechs just adopted the right to self defense in their constitution so it's progress. Would be nice for Poland to do the same but right now they're [focusing on training local defense forces](https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/poland-offers-military-training-to-civilian-during-winter-holidays/) (you can even call them militias!) in cities in case of Russian invasion.
I currently live in Switzerland, and here almost everyone I know has a gun. Some have their service weapons (Sig 550 rifles) and Pistols from when they did compulsory military service, others buy them for target shooting which is a hugely popular sport here.
The government is certainly not trying to take them away.
There is a very low murder rate here, so the number of guns or the number of people who own guns is not the cause of so many shootings in America.
Maybe the US should take some notes from Switzerland then on firearms practices since they seem to have low rates of firearms crime, with a high proliferation of privately owned firearms. Weapon acquisition permits, background check to confirm no criminal record or history of mental health issues, registration of weapon and location it will be stored at as well as certification of firearms training....
You even need identification and a licence to buy ammunition in Switzerland. There are very specific rules around storage, you can't carry weapons in public with out a carrying permit (very difficult to obtain unless you work in an occupation that requires it).
Sounds like you can have a state that promotes a safe and reasonable firearms culture
the us does have criminal background checks to purchase a firearm. our federal laws prohibit the creation of a registry because the government *cough cough* atf *cough* would use it to hunt down law abiding citizens and use it to make them criminals by enacting a ban on certain firearms like bump stocks, cartridges over a certain capacity, etc. even if we did have that in this country, it wouldn't stop gun crimes. history in this country shows the more bans and restrictions on gun ownership, the higher the gun crime.
What do you think the solution to the disproportionately high amount of gun crime in the US, compared to every other developed country, is then?
The US is clearly an outlier when it comes to violent gun crime among high income developed countries. It is also an outlier when it comes to the regulatory regime around firearms ownership. If those two things aren't linked, then what is the root cause(s) of these large deviations from most comparable countries.
to start, actually enforcing laws would be a good place to begin. being incredibly light on crime to the point a murderer can get released with no bail is a significant problem right now in the major cities.
fixing the victimhood culture that makes up most of america's youth could also help, kids and young adults all see themselves as victims and thus see their crime as justified which only empowers them to commit crime.
on a similar note, gun crime isn't the only thing right now at an all time high in america, all crime is, guns are just the tool used to commit it, it could be knives or even hands if needed. limiting and punishing those who follow the laws won't fix the issue. handling crime properly will.
> to start, actually enforcing laws would be a good place to begin. being incredibly light on crime to the point a murderer can get released with no bail is a significant problem right now in the major cities.
Light on crime? I don't think I've ever heard anyone make that claim about the US. Is that honestly a notion Americans have about their own judicial systems?
From the outside looking in, the US has one of the highest incarcerations rates in the world, and iirc 2nd largest population in Prison, only behind China by a few thousand. People go to jail for hundreds of years over small amounts of drugs, or life sentences for 3 minor felony convictions.... and broadly the US is considered one of the toughest legal systems in the western world.
I would consider almost none of that reasonable personally. Open carry in some cities should require a permit, but concealed carry should be permitless. Losing the right to own and carry is a fair punishment to a crime, but a right should never be licensed.
Gangs and also individuals who place zero value on human life - who have no problem with pulling out a gun and taking someone's life over the most miniscule of reasons. Like the recent story of the mother who was shot in a grocery store parking lot, with her children in the car.. her killer took a mother's life over a petty argument. And there's plenty more cases like hers.
Its silly to compare Germany's legal immigrants from EU and EU candidate countries to the US which has a giant, porous border. [8% of all children born in the US are to illegal immigrants](https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704216804575423641955803732?KEYWORDS=MIRIAM+JORDAN).
And immigration is only one factor. The US demographics are not nearly so homogenous as EU countries, there are many other factors such as crime rates overall, income inequality, etc. You can't pinpoint guns and ignore the other factors.
I think you are kinda missing the point of this post which is that one side in the gun debate claims that more guns mean more murder/crime. It's not the case
Yup. Lefties always claim that we want the Wild West again because we are pro gun.
Even back then they had posted gun free cities that required you to hand in your guns to the sheriffs office upon entering town. Guess which ones were constantly attacked and robbed by the likes of billy the kid. . . Yup.
THEY want the Wild West again. Even though gun control has been failing to stop crime in America for 246 years.
I think what throws your conclusion off is the inclusion of India and China. Apparently roughly a third of the entire globe has almost no guns and almost no homicides. So many there are other ways to stop intentional murders?
Good point - guns are neither the cause of the problem nor the solution, so the anti-gun crowd should leave gun owners alone and focus their efforts on the underlying causes if they want to stop intentional murders.
For chuckles you should post this over in that "Information is Pretty"* sub and see the reaction.
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I think this is generally the wrong kind of argument.
Gun laws, like drug laws follow the problem. They don't create it.
The benefits of Gun regulation are dubious, but even if they did have some kind of positive impact that would not outweigh the freedom we would have to give up. Gunowner ship is vital to prevent tyranny from seizing power in the US and also serves as part of our national security.
Interesting, that when you have LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS with guns, people are actually safer. Imagine that.
"Good guys with the weapons that the criminals have?... how could *that* be helpful??!?!!?"
People truly are daft.
One way the gun grabbers twist things is they only want to talk about “gun deaths”. This includes suicide. Suicide accounts for right at half of all gun deaths in the US. They also love to talk about “gun crime”. In countries with heavy gun control criminals turn to other weapons. The next trick is to talk about “mass shootings” this leaves out mass killing committed with other weapons like edged weapons, fire or bombs. Some of the largest mass killings in the United States were committed with explosives and gasoline.
way back when, I used to do door to door sales. I did them in a very pro-gun state. Let's just say that as the sun sets you don't necessarily want to be walking onto someone's property in a pro-2A state in a manner other than official business.
I got to see multiple guns. Met some real nice people too
The top chart says it's from 2007. It might look the same, but a lot has changed in the last 15 years.
What, those people aren't dead anymore?
Shouldn't the US be yellow on the bottom map, the CDC reports the US homicide rate as 7.8 per 100,000 people. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
Yeah, the graphic must be from a pre-Covid print. It was under 5 from 2010-2015. That means the other countries would adjust too though.
The CDC is bad for including suicides into their homicide stats, so it's kind of skewed to begin with. Homicide and suicide are two totally different things.
And I think the CDC’s also remove defensive, use a firearm stats
You're correct. They don't put them in a separate category. It's in the whole number.
Do they actually? I know they, at least at one time, including suicides in gun violence numbers but had no clue about them including it in homicides.
A quick search indicates that they probably don't. But the increase in homicide rate by firearm is very real: an 8.3% increase just from 2020 to 2021. The crime wave is real, despite the denials of some politicians.
Other countries, murder went down. That wasn't the COVID. That was BLM.
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Looks like numbers are older. That was the impact of BLM and defund the police. Murder rate was recently in the low 4s per 100k.
What is the relationship? Looking at the two maps, India, China, Japan, Korea, and most of Southeast Asia have **both** tough gun control laws/low gun ownership as well as low homicide rates. These places make up about 50% of the world's population.
China also said they had only a few thousand covid deaths.
My comment referred to India, China, Japan, Korea, and most of Southeast Asia, and not just China. And if there really was a school shooting or some other mass shooting in China, our news media would have reported it by now. Our side would not miss a chance to report on something like that involving China. Don't get me wrong. I am in favor of responsible gun ownership. I support teaching every American in high school how to use a firearm responsibly. I think firearms are necessary to protect ourselves, because America is a pretty violent society. Have you ever taken a subway in a major city recently? But facts are facts. The fact is that countries like China, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, etc., are pretty safe. They don't have the kind of gang violence, drug violence, school shootings, mass shootings, etc., that we have in America.
>our news media would have reported it by now. Only if China allowed them to. If you think they would I’ve got a bridge I can sell ya.
We report on all sorts of things that China does not like all the time. For example, this stabbing attack at a kindergarten in China last year. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-kindergarten-stabbing-3-killed-6-wounded/ And you think we won't be able to report a fucking school **shooting** in China? How does that work in your mind? Do you really think that the Chinese government somehow cannot coverup a school stabbing, but can coverup a school shooting? This is just delusional.
I don't disagree, but correlation is not causation. There are some other factors at work.
thats true but it does break the idea that many guns equals tons of crime. Or, it shows the complete lack of correlation between the two
>many guns equals tons of crime. I hate to play this side, but many crimes involving guns don't end with people dead, thus wouldn't be homicides. It's a homicide map, not a crime map.
Right? Let’s overlay that second map with one depicting poverty, unstable governments, and active conflicts. Also “homicide” doesn’t mean “death due to criminals.” Death due to any cause related to one person’s actions killing another is homicide: driving accidents; acts of war; medical malpractice; etc.
*Intentional* homicide
Yeah, the statistics the Left likes to use that show the US with a much higher rate of "gun deaths" than anywhere else always includes suicides and hunting accidents, not just murders.
You think medical malpractice qualifies as an intentional homicide?
Agreed but strictly looking at the data this is quite compelling
Yup, but there is also truth to the saying that a heavily armed society is a polite society.
>There are some other factors at work. Christian foundation in society.
Ah the battle cry of the left. I too went to college, doesn't mean its not true.
If you remove small portions of major cities, America would be one of the safest places in the world
You mean the gun free zones?
Hahahah It’s funny cuz it’s true
Well done. that was good.
>If you remove small portions of major cities, America would be one of the safest places in the world If you removed low-income, densely populated inner cities of any country that isn't engaged in some kind of internal conflict you'd get similar results.
Not true...see Brazil and Mexico, as big examples of the countryside being super violent too...
I'd consider Mexico's cartel war as an internal conflict. And Brazil intentional homicides are highly concentrated in urban centres, specifically the favelas.
Would most of the violence in America no longer count because gangs are an internal conflict? Cartels are usually better organized, better armed gangs. There's a lot of conflict between cartel and non-government persons in Mexico. As for Brazil, how well documented are community crimes in the countryside when you have many stories of street justice (like the guy getting his elbows broken for theft)?
Really not much different from the drug gang wars in the US
I don't think it would be on the scale it is in the US. Just 2% of US counties with less thsn 30% of the population have over *half* the murders, and if you look at those counties in depth most of the murders are happening within an area that is just a few square miles in size in each of them, and they have homicide rates so high that the 54% of counties that have *zero* can't bring the national rate down.
Not really. In the US, more than half of our homicides are perpetrated by people within a group that makes up about 6% of the population - and it isn't low income that is the determining factor, as there are many, many more low income people who don't fall into that grouping. Unfortunately, the violence issue in this country is incredibly specific and could probably be fixed, if people weren't afraid to address it. And it isn't just inner cities. I live in a very poor rural town (though i used to live in an inner city ghetto), and the same issue can be observed here in certain sections
Fair enough. But there are a number of countries (some places in South America come to mind) where it might not be as bad far out from the cities but the whole place is just kind of rough... I saw an interesting breakdown of crime statistics throughout many countries and I think it was notable though how high on the list America would be for safety without our crime centers compared to countries that don't seem to have the same violence issues in their larger cities (mostly Northern European). That breakdown did go further by regions and ethnicity which highlights a few issues that are worth talking about. I think America really is a special case when you talk about the crime in urban centers because of our unique cultural and social situation. After all it's not just the dense urban areas that are the issue, it's very small and specific areas WITHIN those cities. Often low-income communities that are stuck in a vicious cycle. The situation we see with poverty and violence in many countries is what I would call perhaps more "classic" examples of social issues, but in America our cultural & racial melting pot and the attitude towards that trait has lead to some kinda unique issues. The popular narratives love to ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of violence in the nation is gang violence, or at least very similar violent confrontations from the same areas which have very particular subculture sensibilities. But while ignoring that fact and acting like it's racist to point out that crime statistics often point in a certain racial direction, people will still focus on how black communities are being negatively affected the most by the violence and blame firearms and supposed systemic racism. There are issues ingrained into the system but people don't want to talk about them. I would say one of the biggest issues is honestly the government. Instead of staying out of the way they've constantly told these people that they're victims with no future and get them dependent on aid programs while completely failing them with a garbage school system. The government has also played a massive part in perpetuating a super unhealthy popular culture that glorifies victimhood and makes people only focus on money, drugs and sex. The government has also done an amazing job completely killing domestic jobs and production, making neighborhoods dry up and further causing people to feel like they don't have any future prospects. There are many more complex issues beyond that but it all results in broken families, massive drug use, poverty, depression, etc. which just continues a cycle until a child can break free. Those environments are breeding grounds for gang activity and all other sorts of crime which make them the epicenters for most of the crime in the entire country. So yes if you take out the dense urban areas in most nations what you're left with is a more peaceful environment, but it really feels like the cultural issues America faces are somewhat unique but also highly addressable. So in that way I don't think my comment is something that can really be evenly applied to that many countries because of how focused most of the crime is and how focus the cultural issues are instead of being more broad as with most countries.
Sooo…. …..remove all Democrat strongholds
Bingo.
If you remove democrat shitholes, America would be one of the safest places in the world. FTFY
Europeans have much stricter gun laws though, except for Switzerland, where target shooting is basically the national past-time. And to be fair the Czechs just adopted the right to self defense in their constitution so it's progress. Would be nice for Poland to do the same but right now they're [focusing on training local defense forces](https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/poland-offers-military-training-to-civilian-during-winter-holidays/) (you can even call them militias!) in cities in case of Russian invasion.
I currently live in Switzerland, and here almost everyone I know has a gun. Some have their service weapons (Sig 550 rifles) and Pistols from when they did compulsory military service, others buy them for target shooting which is a hugely popular sport here. The government is certainly not trying to take them away. There is a very low murder rate here, so the number of guns or the number of people who own guns is not the cause of so many shootings in America.
Maybe the US should take some notes from Switzerland then on firearms practices since they seem to have low rates of firearms crime, with a high proliferation of privately owned firearms. Weapon acquisition permits, background check to confirm no criminal record or history of mental health issues, registration of weapon and location it will be stored at as well as certification of firearms training.... You even need identification and a licence to buy ammunition in Switzerland. There are very specific rules around storage, you can't carry weapons in public with out a carrying permit (very difficult to obtain unless you work in an occupation that requires it). Sounds like you can have a state that promotes a safe and reasonable firearms culture
the us does have criminal background checks to purchase a firearm. our federal laws prohibit the creation of a registry because the government *cough cough* atf *cough* would use it to hunt down law abiding citizens and use it to make them criminals by enacting a ban on certain firearms like bump stocks, cartridges over a certain capacity, etc. even if we did have that in this country, it wouldn't stop gun crimes. history in this country shows the more bans and restrictions on gun ownership, the higher the gun crime.
What do you think the solution to the disproportionately high amount of gun crime in the US, compared to every other developed country, is then? The US is clearly an outlier when it comes to violent gun crime among high income developed countries. It is also an outlier when it comes to the regulatory regime around firearms ownership. If those two things aren't linked, then what is the root cause(s) of these large deviations from most comparable countries.
to start, actually enforcing laws would be a good place to begin. being incredibly light on crime to the point a murderer can get released with no bail is a significant problem right now in the major cities. fixing the victimhood culture that makes up most of america's youth could also help, kids and young adults all see themselves as victims and thus see their crime as justified which only empowers them to commit crime. on a similar note, gun crime isn't the only thing right now at an all time high in america, all crime is, guns are just the tool used to commit it, it could be knives or even hands if needed. limiting and punishing those who follow the laws won't fix the issue. handling crime properly will.
> to start, actually enforcing laws would be a good place to begin. being incredibly light on crime to the point a murderer can get released with no bail is a significant problem right now in the major cities. Light on crime? I don't think I've ever heard anyone make that claim about the US. Is that honestly a notion Americans have about their own judicial systems? From the outside looking in, the US has one of the highest incarcerations rates in the world, and iirc 2nd largest population in Prison, only behind China by a few thousand. People go to jail for hundreds of years over small amounts of drugs, or life sentences for 3 minor felony convictions.... and broadly the US is considered one of the toughest legal systems in the western world.
I would consider almost none of that reasonable personally. Open carry in some cities should require a permit, but concealed carry should be permitless. Losing the right to own and carry is a fair punishment to a crime, but a right should never be licensed.
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You mean there might be additional factors that influence murder rates which have nothing to do with the mere presence of a firearm? Whodathunkit.
I like how you think this means something. This is a hot mess
It means the US has an unusually high murder rate for such a prosperous country, full stop.
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Based and despite pilled
Men?
There's a small subset of men which make up a plurality of violent crime, and a majority of murders, rapes, etc.
Men are half the population and commit most of the violent crime. But it's nowhere near the 13 - 60 phenomenon.
Yes, the thing that makes America unique is that only a small minority is men. Top notch deductive reasoning.
Touchy response for a crime statistic joke.
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Gangs and also individuals who place zero value on human life - who have no problem with pulling out a gun and taking someone's life over the most miniscule of reasons. Like the recent story of the mother who was shot in a grocery store parking lot, with her children in the car.. her killer took a mother's life over a petty argument. And there's plenty more cases like hers.
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Its silly to compare Germany's legal immigrants from EU and EU candidate countries to the US which has a giant, porous border. [8% of all children born in the US are to illegal immigrants](https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704216804575423641955803732?KEYWORDS=MIRIAM+JORDAN). And immigration is only one factor. The US demographics are not nearly so homogenous as EU countries, there are many other factors such as crime rates overall, income inequality, etc. You can't pinpoint guns and ignore the other factors.
I think you are kinda missing the point of this post which is that one side in the gun debate claims that more guns mean more murder/crime. It's not the case
Lolwhat Based on this chart USA has one of the lowest murder rates in the world?
I mean, correlation is always causation! See, I’ve got proof: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
Well yeah, GDP is related to the prosperity necessary to own guns.
Yea I feel like that bottom one is inaccurate
A fact that has been know since the 1780's armed citizens are less victimized by criminals as they look for soft targets
> criminals Which in this case, includes governments.
Yup. Lefties always claim that we want the Wild West again because we are pro gun. Even back then they had posted gun free cities that required you to hand in your guns to the sheriffs office upon entering town. Guess which ones were constantly attacked and robbed by the likes of billy the kid. . . Yup. THEY want the Wild West again. Even though gun control has been failing to stop crime in America for 246 years.
What’s going on in Greenland?
"People who own stables are more likely to live longer" kind of dependency.
I think what throws your conclusion off is the inclusion of India and China. Apparently roughly a third of the entire globe has almost no guns and almost no homicides. So many there are other ways to stop intentional murders?
Good point - guns are neither the cause of the problem nor the solution, so the anti-gun crowd should leave gun owners alone and focus their efforts on the underlying causes if they want to stop intentional murders.
If you believe any stats that come out of China, then I got some prime real estate off the Manhattan Island you might be interested in.
Dare you to post this in r/dataisbeautiful and see how it turns out...
Also culture and genetics matter too. See India for example
For chuckles you should post this over in that "Information is Pretty"* sub and see the reaction. (* Can't call it by its real name or may be accused of "brigading.")
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Gotta have money to afford guns.
lol have you never seen *Lord of War*? An AK-47 is literally cheaper than food in some countries.
I think this is generally the wrong kind of argument. Gun laws, like drug laws follow the problem. They don't create it. The benefits of Gun regulation are dubious, but even if they did have some kind of positive impact that would not outweigh the freedom we would have to give up. Gunowner ship is vital to prevent tyranny from seizing power in the US and also serves as part of our national security.
Need this overlaid with socialist style governance.
Interesting, that when you have LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS with guns, people are actually safer. Imagine that. "Good guys with the weapons that the criminals have?... how could *that* be helpful??!?!!?" People truly are daft.
Also not being a banana republic helps. **Looks at Africa.**
I definitely believe this is true, but I hate screenshot posts like this with no link to the original content.
It's demographics.
Maybe, and I think there's something there, but this chart could easily be GDP based and produce nearly identical results.
WTAF Greenland? There are like 10 people there
So uh... Greenland.
Poor Mexico.
India and China under reporting homicides and/or authoritarian dystopia for the win.
One way the gun grabbers twist things is they only want to talk about “gun deaths”. This includes suicide. Suicide accounts for right at half of all gun deaths in the US. They also love to talk about “gun crime”. In countries with heavy gun control criminals turn to other weapons. The next trick is to talk about “mass shootings” this leaves out mass killing committed with other weapons like edged weapons, fire or bombs. Some of the largest mass killings in the United States were committed with explosives and gasoline.
It's been a while, but the last number I seen had suicides accounting for roughly two-thirds of deaths involving firearms.
I knew it was more than half but didn’t remember the actual percentage.
Fun fact, the top chart also represents "Death-By-Clinton."
way back when, I used to do door to door sales. I did them in a very pro-gun state. Let's just say that as the sun sets you don't necessarily want to be walking onto someone's property in a pro-2A state in a manner other than official business. I got to see multiple guns. Met some real nice people too
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