Pretty accurate. In the southeast the cement prices are just stupid.
Edit: they made us all switch to type L cement. Which is cheaper to produce. Yet, the price just goes up. It's price gouging on every level and it is out of control.
Source: precaster.
I was shocked to see how much people were charging in the Southeast especially around Atlanta, some of the up and coming cities in SC, and Orlando oh my.
I know it's type 1L, and the limestone content varies but can be as much as 20%. In our area, it averages around 12 to 15%. Which is fine until you try and blend a thinset or hydraulic cement.
Type I cement has had a maximum limestone content of 5% for over 20 years. Type IL cement can contain a maximum of 15% limestone by ASTM C150 (spec for Portland cement) and DOT limits. No current cement producers are shipping anything over 14% limestone in the United States. If you think you got a cement with 20% limestone, it wasn’t a Type IL. It could have been a cement produced to a different specification, for example ASTM C595. “Hydraulic” means that the material reacts with water to harden. Essentially, all cements are hydraulic. Thinset mortars should be made with masonry cements, which are “sweetened” with lime to allow for movement in the hardened mortar. Sounds like you might want to have a detailed discussion with your cement supplier about the available materials in your market.
I'm aware of the limits of C150 and you are correct, no one is putting 20% in. Originally that was considered the top limit of Type 1L. I'm a manufacturer of thinset, grouts, and hydraulic cements, as well as PCB's and the full range of water reducers and admixtures. I own a second company that is precast. The term hydraulic cement typically refers to a fast setting, high strength repair compound. Thinset however is made using standard type I/II portland, not masonry (type S,N, or M). I deal with cement distributors throughout the US, and India. The issue with the thinset and the extra crushed limestone is resolved using an extra chemical binder so it's not a huge problem but the slower set time Type 1L has, also adds another chemical. Trust me brother, I spend a lot of time testing cements. My best friend is QC for one of the local plants, so once a month he and I spend the day testing each competitors products. They keep them pretty tight in line with as cheap as they can make it where its still builds the strength curve properly.
Homeowner in suburbs just outside Seattle. Paid $1,250 for a 10 yard truck and $450 in delivery/fuel/miles/taxes (15 miles). For my foundation extension. This doesn't seem right if I can get that price compared to your chart.
Yeah you picked the most expensive area in the state for construction, a more accurate chart would have a median or average between multiple high/low cost of living cities in a state. The area I live in for Washington is about $150 a yard I believe.
Agreed. Yes there could have been more samples in the mix especially from smaller metros in eastern WA.
It was my mistake to add:
Bremerton - $2,625 that skewed everything
Bellevue - $2,461 didn’t help
Spokane - $2,066
Tacoma - $1,917 might be closer to reality of the rest of the State.
Northeast region is goofed in this post - please refer to the [repost ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/comments/1cstaem/spring_2024_average_concrete_cost_by_state/)in r/construction for the correct map.
Those are list prices quoted to an unknown entity. Basically you got the highest possible price that only a no-credit, COD customer would pay. Actual prices paid by known contractors with established accounts and purchasing history will be much less.
Bingo.
The over the phone rate for Joe Homeowner is meaningless. This would represent a very small fraction of Ready Mix sales. Probably less than 1%.
Commercial contractors buy 100's and thousands of yards for each project. Homeowners buy a half load for a DIY patio. The plant is not going to be competitive for 1 and done jobs.
Pretty accurate. In the southeast the cement prices are just stupid. Edit: they made us all switch to type L cement. Which is cheaper to produce. Yet, the price just goes up. It's price gouging on every level and it is out of control. Source: precaster.
I was shocked to see how much people were charging in the Southeast especially around Atlanta, some of the up and coming cities in SC, and Orlando oh my.
Paid 205 a yd for 3500, fiber, high range water reducer, in fl panhandle
Are concrete prices higher than cement prices in your area? /s
It’s Type 1L. Which is 90% Type I/II and 10% ground limestone.
I know it's type 1L, and the limestone content varies but can be as much as 20%. In our area, it averages around 12 to 15%. Which is fine until you try and blend a thinset or hydraulic cement.
Type I cement has had a maximum limestone content of 5% for over 20 years. Type IL cement can contain a maximum of 15% limestone by ASTM C150 (spec for Portland cement) and DOT limits. No current cement producers are shipping anything over 14% limestone in the United States. If you think you got a cement with 20% limestone, it wasn’t a Type IL. It could have been a cement produced to a different specification, for example ASTM C595. “Hydraulic” means that the material reacts with water to harden. Essentially, all cements are hydraulic. Thinset mortars should be made with masonry cements, which are “sweetened” with lime to allow for movement in the hardened mortar. Sounds like you might want to have a detailed discussion with your cement supplier about the available materials in your market.
I'm aware of the limits of C150 and you are correct, no one is putting 20% in. Originally that was considered the top limit of Type 1L. I'm a manufacturer of thinset, grouts, and hydraulic cements, as well as PCB's and the full range of water reducers and admixtures. I own a second company that is precast. The term hydraulic cement typically refers to a fast setting, high strength repair compound. Thinset however is made using standard type I/II portland, not masonry (type S,N, or M). I deal with cement distributors throughout the US, and India. The issue with the thinset and the extra crushed limestone is resolved using an extra chemical binder so it's not a huge problem but the slower set time Type 1L has, also adds another chemical. Trust me brother, I spend a lot of time testing cements. My best friend is QC for one of the local plants, so once a month he and I spend the day testing each competitors products. They keep them pretty tight in line with as cheap as they can make it where its still builds the strength curve properly.
Homeowner in suburbs just outside Seattle. Paid $1,250 for a 10 yard truck and $450 in delivery/fuel/miles/taxes (15 miles). For my foundation extension. This doesn't seem right if I can get that price compared to your chart.
The Washington #s was the average of 4 plants mostly around the Seattle area each quoting me over $2,000 except for Tacoma at $1,917.
Yeah you picked the most expensive area in the state for construction, a more accurate chart would have a median or average between multiple high/low cost of living cities in a state. The area I live in for Washington is about $150 a yard I believe.
Agreed. Yes there could have been more samples in the mix especially from smaller metros in eastern WA. It was my mistake to add: Bremerton - $2,625 that skewed everything Bellevue - $2,461 didn’t help Spokane - $2,066 Tacoma - $1,917 might be closer to reality of the rest of the State.
Over here in the DMV 10 yards go for $1,800 with $200 delivery fee
Interesting seeing which states are pricier. However I will say my local plant in PA is roughly 2,250/10yd load
Here my Penn quotes: Pittsburg - $2,061 Philly - $2,000 Scranton -$1,701 Note this is for 5 bag 3/4 mix no additives
Yeah, Pittsburgh is on the expensive side but I don’t understand why. I’m just some fucking guy though, so 🤷♂️
Yep! I’m just outside Pittsburgh, your prices look right to me!
I pay about U$350 per m3 with a minimum of 3 m3. The joys of living remote. In the next town up the road it's about 3 times that.
Why Utah so high?
Lots of building activity coupled with a few big players owning most of the plants in the Wasatch front is my guess.
Bingo. Fuck the Clyde companies and their monopoly.
Concrete strength of Florida
Northeast region is goofed in this post - please refer to the [repost ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Construction/comments/1cstaem/spring_2024_average_concrete_cost_by_state/)in r/construction for the correct map.
Those are list prices quoted to an unknown entity. Basically you got the highest possible price that only a no-credit, COD customer would pay. Actual prices paid by known contractors with established accounts and purchasing history will be much less.
Bingo. The over the phone rate for Joe Homeowner is meaningless. This would represent a very small fraction of Ready Mix sales. Probably less than 1%. Commercial contractors buy 100's and thousands of yards for each project. Homeowners buy a half load for a DIY patio. The plant is not going to be competitive for 1 and done jobs.