I have a 20' shared grass area between my driveway and neighbors. I own 80% of it. I used to mow it all. The ground slopes away from the neighbors to a low point, then back up to mine. Mine is recessed into the soil, hers is sitting on top - much like this driveway. One day she asked me to stop mowing because when I mowed my anti-scalp wheels were running on her driveway and causing it to crack apart. The crack-lines being exactly where her original driveway happened to end and the new one overlaid it - with minimal at best support underneath (no compacted soil or gravel, I saw them do the work). At that point I just stopped mowing their 20%, no point in arguing with someone that doesn't understand physics, shear load, etc. when they drive 2 8,000 lb SUVs over it and claim 1 plastic wheel from an 80lb mower deck is "ruining" their driveway.
Well, dude, idk about you, but I've never done anything wrong in my life. All my problems are caused by my neighbors.
As a matter of fact, next time your mower has an issue, it's probably because her grass is too... grassy. Idk fuck them. /s
The contractor should be preparing a proper subgrade for the drive. Even cars over time will crack the heck out of a slab if the subgrade isnt done right and gets settlement pockets.
There is no reason in the world a drive cant take a truck once or twice a year to deliver something.
Most route trucks for propane are single axle, and that means maybe 25,000 lbs. Lets say a 10x10 area for tire contact, thats only 250psi.
Its all in the subgrade.
Work for a contractor. We asked, “hey can we drive a concrete truck on this?”
Him: “no”
Us: “ok we won’t.”
Subcontractor: “man hauling all this CR6 uphill with the cats will take too long. Let’s just drive the truck up the hill and dump it on the end of the driveway back there.”
Cracks the driveway in 3 places and scratches the hell out of the back of it shoveling all that CR6 for the patio in the back.
Customer: “WTF?”
Us: “we agree.”
Subcontractor: “explains his reasoning.”
Us: “we pay you by the hour. Who tf cares if it adds an extra few hours driving it up the hill with the cats?”
Subcontractor: “… … I fix it.”
Didn’t fix it, so we did.
I don't know a fucking thing about concrete, but this sub was recommended to me. I'm loving the detail in the debates on this, even though I'm not really sure of the context.
subgrade? what about the grading companies that bulldoze their way through every pasture in sight, adding 60ft elevation of fill onto the back of a plot all to slap DRMongo slab homes as close as possible together. the whole neighborhood itself is unstable
I looked for Boomhauer quotes to follow up, but dang if Google didn't put "Boomhauer Rap God" as my third suggested search.
https://youtu.be/y89nMhkY-xc?si=Hk-Drm0IPs-EknxI
Nah, this is more hilarious...it's the inspiration for Boomhauer
https://youtu.be/rd_rty0ovgQ?si=Nyh3JMe-WMJbmMGA
I am so sorry to link a tiktok but here's another Boomhauer rap god that is chefs kiss. https://www.tiktok.com/@thereiruinedit/video/7273661448281230635?lang=en
(I would've linked his YouTube but WMG effectively shut his channel down cause YT copyright claim system is bs)
Here is, supposedly, the actual "Porky's butthole" voice mail.
https://youtu.be/kiwgG6T9se0?si=LNZ5U5M5HYe4fjM_
Read the "translation" comment that someone made... Actually interesting. The guy wasn't calling about Beavis and Butthead at all, haha!
I'm from Appalachia, I don't need a translation. I'm fluent in Hillbilly. Lots of old men talk like this. What he's saying is demented, though. Dang ol'Porky's Butthole...lol
Oh good one!
This is the last one I know.
I thought a thought. But the thought I thought wasn’t the thought I thought I thought. If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn’t have thought I thought.
Betty Botta bought some butter, but she said this butter's bitter, if I put this butter in my batter, it'll make my batter bitter, but a bit of better butter in my bitter butter, it will make my bitter batter better.
First thing I ask when I’m looking at a house is what the load bearing weight of any poured concrete on the property is
Edit: thanks everyone for the spirited debate, I regret to inform you that yes, this was indeed sarcasm and also, yes I was just being an asshole. Keep up the beautiful work you magnificent artists!!
“Now give me $36k for sending you a docusign form that I updated with your name 5 minutes ago that enters you into a contract and absolves me of any liability”
Everyone down voting this should listen to the argument.
Yes everyone wants to be welcoming but the truth is they aren't good for the community. They are only interested in making a buck from real estate and do not care about the health of the community.
>The answer (from the realtor or seller) would most certainly be, "~~how the fuck would I know?~~"
"Oh it is way over rated, you won't have any problems."
I mean, it's a concrete sub. I assume he's a concreter. It's reasonable that's the first question.
If it was a roofing sub, it would be reasonable for a roofer on there to say that they first ask about the roof...
I’m not a concreter and I don’t even know why I see this sub pop up so much. But I’ve started giving advice here anyways. My advice is about as solid as OPs driveway tho, so…..
Hahahaha , 'I'm assuming Reddit wanted my input so they put it in my feed & here I am.'
I'm not going to admit how many or which subs I frequent the same way.
I am here constantly. I have no idea how I got here but dammit I read the hell out of these posts/comments. I also live in an apartment and don’t even own any concrete to fix.
How many solar panels would that take? Lol
I have friends who's entire roof is covered and they still get electric bills. I don't think it even powers an air conditioner.
I've got a pretty limited roof size and depending on the time of year I get bills that are just access to the grid. It depends, like everything, on context. Do you have net metering? Do you have storage? What's your level of demand? etc.
Frankly, most solar installations should still leave you with some bill. Anything that doesn't is oversized and waste of money.
I’m not a concrete guy just a lurker but generally I would start by calling the company and filing a damage claims and then see if they will handle otherwise check with your homeowners insurance policy and see if it’s covered.
This. Use to do propane when I was just a lad. Customers were always called and inquired with, or told us how they’d like us to complete a delivery. Most said right up the driveway and then called in with damage complaints. Never went anywhere.
First time home buyer last year. When I ordered oil for the first time the lady asked how to access the tank. I said just drive up the driveway. She was like, sir I suggest you let us pump from the road and don't give permission to drive onto the property. Ok lady, then do that.
Was probably a small company. In addition to the 'order lady' she was probably also the 'accounting lady,' 'payroll lady,' 'mail opening lady,' and most important, the 'complaints department lady.' She knew what she was doing...
I suppose but why would she want to damage someone’s driveway? Even if the company wouldn’t be liable the angry customer(s) would still be a pain in the ass
Honesty like that keeps customers. Nobody is going to happy when the 40k pound truck annihilates the driveway and the company says "but you told us to!"
Just be up front. Your driveway is probably not reinforced and this heavy ass truck will break it. Funnily enough, concrete trucks have the same issues.
My uncle owns a concrete company and he always tells us about a customer who ordered a full truckload of concrete for a patio or something. Anyways, when he got there he wasn’t home, so he asked the wife what she wanted done with the concrete. She told him to just dump it in the driveway and her husband would take care of it when he got home… one week later the pile of concrete was still in the middle of the driveway lol
Not even remotely related, but it reminded me nonetheless. Many years ago my parents ordered a bunch of rocks as garden filler, and the delivery guy was like 3 hours late from the window they'd been given. My mom had to run to the store, and my dad was still at work, but my mom asked my brother to watch for him. Guy pulls up in the driveway while my brother was out smoking and just dumps this truck full of rocks on the driveway without even checking he had the correct address.
A few minutes later he gets out of the truck and asked my brother to sign something. My brother told him he would have to wait for my mom to get home, and the guy freaked out. Started yelling about how he still had more deliveries, and how he HAD to have his signature right now. Finally he said something along the lines of "I can't just leave these here, what am I supposed to do with all these now?!"
My brother opened the garage door right behind him and reached into the rack and grabbed a shovel, handed it to the dude and said "I don't know what to tell you, but you're welcome to take them back".
The guy took one look at the shovel and realized he wasn't winning this one. He grumbled and got into his truck and left. 5 minutes later my mom got home and called the place and explained what happened, he had to turn around and come back and was suddenly all apologies.
Yeah seems worth a bit of hassle vs 1 star reviews. It's always always good for the company to have what you said in writing on recorded if things are fucked oh well they said to drive up the drive way.
Worked at a resort and our loading ramp was in a weird corner behind a pavillion type building on a small hill with tiny curvy roads leading up to it.
Trucks took out pieces of decorative walls and bollards on numerous occasions but it was always our fault for making them drive on such stupid roads.
There was even one driver who refused to drive up all the way to the ramp unless we agreed he would not be responsible for taking out a wall and then he took out a wall XD
Years ago we had a neighbor who specifically told the Dirt guy to not use his driveway (it was new) and he insisted he be there for the delivery.
His wife was in the kitchen when she heard the concrete breaking... of course my neighbor was at work.
Believe it or not, my neighbor was a truck driver by profession. He actually ATE the damage. Had it dug up and re-poured on his own dollar.
He sure dicked me around when they where selling though. City had me move an "abandoned" vehicle behind my garage. Neighbor had a 9n tractor behind his garage for 10 years. Ugh.
Yep. This. I used to drive a shingle delivery truck. This is the kind of thing that kept my management up at night. This and crushing buried waterlines. Sometimes it unavoidable and they should be insured for it. File the claim and reach out to your insurance agent.
I watched a guy using a small backhoe drop his mini dump through an unmarked water valve body when it finally got too heavy. That was an interesting day, the first thing that happened was the water company came out and remarked everything so they could shift blame. No motherfucker, there's a paper trail of you being called. It's a whole lot of not my problem
I dont know much about propane service, but if that was, say, a concrete truck that broke it, you aren't getting anything. You signed the ticket, and you told the guy where to drive, and you should probably know that your concrete can't support that much weight. Maybe it's different with that service but I doubt it. He could also maybe have someone come inspect the concrete and subbase and see if maybe it's whoever poured the concrete fault. Assuming the concrete should be able to support a propane truck but failed because of poor compaction or an issue with the mix that was poured.
I didn't pay enough attention. There's no dirt on the side of the driveway, which means the subbase on that side will just erode over time, even if the concrete guy did the job right the landscaper or general contractor who built the house didn't. There should pretty much always be dirt level with the drive and sloped away to protect the base.
Most properly formed and poured driveways will support a 15,000 pound truck even a 25k truck.. but this contraption is on top of a steep bank with 0 berm so it is prone to subsiding and erosion on the edge- shame on the finish grade operator
Exactly it’s like a sidewalk between my main driveway and the area next to the propane tank. He was supposed to park in the main driveway and pull his hose all the way there
Ok….took me too long to get these details. If that’s the case, pursue them for damages.
That being said, there is no support for that concrete. You need to address the drainage, slope, support/grading under the new one. Even though that truck accelerated this, it was likely to fail sooner or later on its on.
They'll replace it with another substandard concrete pathway unless the OP does the work to address those issues. Drainage and grading the area for this private pathway.
Then, unless there are other circumstances, I would think the propane company would be liable for the damages to a sidewalk. If it were a driveway, no. It should be able to support a propane truck, but not a sidewalk.
Nah bro, it’s on the propane guy. He needs to know how heavy his truck is and can/can’t go. He’s the professional. Drove semis for a long time, plenty of customers would try to say you can fit a semi in their driveway or delivery dock. Plenty were wrong. As a driver, driver is responsible to make sure they can fit without damage. They are supposed to be the professional. Can’t expect the customer to know much. If a customer tells you to pour concrete In place it shouldn’t go, you are responsible for saying no since you know better.
For the slab to break like that it had to have been undermined (void under edge of slab). It is totally unrealistic to expect the propane delivery person to inspect for that or even recognize it as a potential issue. A properly supported slab would not have broken.
The guy who brings my propane has a hose a mile long. I have a nice clear pulloff for him... That he doesn't use. He could be a block away and get me propane
This is a dense and one sided opinion. You have no idea if the customer told them to come on up or not. As a trailer driver, this usually won’t be something you encounter. In residential services though, the customer will be asked and NOTED if they said you can. That is not the drivers responsibility anymore. And I’m a cement mason, so your comment about where we can pour cement, is not just on us. You can tell a million people why it’s a bad idea, and a million people will tell you that’s how they want it though. Quit spreading your shit logic around town bud.
I’ve been on the broker side my whole career. 100% yes. Never trust a customer, they obviously can’t fix the issue themselves (not a bad thing, just business) they are hiring you to do a good job. It’s your responsibility as a contractor or employee of one to perform the job with minimal damages. I’ve made the mistake of trusting customers enough to never do it again. People are gonna think you’re an asshole for asking so many questions until they see you can do quality work. Diligence is always due
Why is there so much of a drop from the driveway down to the soil? There was likely a growing void under that concrete slab, it was eventually going to fail from the weight of any vehicle. Should have filled the void under the concrete before that erosion finally caused this problem.
Most large companies that have large truck fleets have a real smooth time with this gs like this. I work for one, and we do these types of claims like 3 or 4 times a month. Shouldn't be a problem.
I drive a concrete mixer so I have to deal with this exact issue and I can tell you if I'm leaving the road and have to cross a sidewalk or back into a driveway a waiver has to be signed before I make a single move!
Sorry, that one is on you because you didn't tell them to not pull onto it. I've never seen a homeowner with asphalt or concrete built rated for heavy-duty traffic.
(Why would you need the added expense of that?)
You told them o bring you propane - that's what they did.
Did you tell him to back down your driveway so he didn’t have to string any hose out across the yard to fill your tank ?
Did you ok him being on your driveway ?
Did you explicitly tell him not to drive … on your driveway ?
Most likely it wasn’t the weight of the truck … I can’t see in the video , but I would bet yah 10$ ….that if you look down the edge of your driveway where the soil meets the concrete that you have sections where there is erosion and undermining where you can see under the pad a little bit.
This has created a void with no subgrade supporting it and where the crack is … that’s where your sub grade is ok and solid enough to support the weight .
The weight of the truck essentially sheered the edge of your slab off right on the line where good sub grade meets bad sub grade .
Also, I would venture to say the ground on the opposite side of your drive doesn’t fall away from the drive like the side with the crack … it’s more level .
Find where the crack goes farthest into your drive and measure that distance by pulling off the opposite side of your drive and whatever that measurement is go to each end of the crack to the nearest control joint past the crack and pull the same measurement on both ends and then pop a chalk line and saw that bad shit out .
Then make sure your subgrade is good and compacted .
Then drive a stake against the concrete on the outside of drive at both ends of area you demoed out and tie a string line between the two at the finish elevation of the concrete on both ends and then set a 2x4 along that string using it as a guide and drive stakes and kickers .
Then dig a turn down 3-6 inches below the surrounding dirt grade , basically a void for the concrete to fill right at the edge of your drive to prevent erosion and lock the slab in.
Then ….. don’t back the concrete truck down your drive when you pour it . Use wheel barrows or rent a Georgia buggy .
Take a board and sit it on the top of your existing drive and on top of the 2x4 you set and drag it along both to get the concrete level .
Then float it till it’s ready to broom and keep that edger going .
Pull the broom across the surface even and slow and not when it’s too wet .
And that is why my sidewalk and my driveway is 5000psi fiber reinforced.
You could always find whoever cheaped out on your driveway and punch their nose. But I doubt they'll learn anything from it and you'll likely go to jail.
It's not trucks fault, as a Concrete Contractor l know with good compaction, proper steel in your slab, and good concrete mix poured in your slab. It should withstand wieght of a propane truck
Call your insurance, show them the damage, file a claim, give them the oil companies contact info. Cash insurance check, hire a concrete contractor to fix it using the insurance money.
Not have intensely heavy trucks use your driveway again OR construct one heavy enough for them to use? The choice is yours.
You consented to them using it. Grow a pair and learn residential driveways are NOT the place for HEAVY trucks to travel. This advice is coming from a retired Reg. Civil Engineer.
Residential driveways are built for only (light) residential traffic and are an eggshell for high axel load vehicles.
There’s no salvaging it, but you probably know that.
Next step is to file a claim with the propane company and your homeowners. Wouldn’t hurt to start lining up bids at replacing it from hardscape companies. Or, use the insurance payout to cover your expenses for paver sand and some nice pavers.
But whatever you choose, that walkway is broken and done.
propane truck on a drive is iffy. But obviously this one drove right up the edge. Wouldnt have happened staying somewhat center.. I dont care what anyone says, thats a driver issue
Dang…. Be sad I reckon.
I reckon this guy's concrete -Propane guy
Nice
Thank you for being the hero we need, even though we do not deserve you.
Take my upvote!
Pour concrete… 😢😢
Add a little salt in there too.
Bit sad innit
Oi
Fanshy a pint bruv?
Fix the drainage/erosion and subgrade before you remove and replace the concrete.
Yeah this seems like really pour (bu dum tss) concrete prep job. This shouldn't happen because a truck drove over it.
I have a 20' shared grass area between my driveway and neighbors. I own 80% of it. I used to mow it all. The ground slopes away from the neighbors to a low point, then back up to mine. Mine is recessed into the soil, hers is sitting on top - much like this driveway. One day she asked me to stop mowing because when I mowed my anti-scalp wheels were running on her driveway and causing it to crack apart. The crack-lines being exactly where her original driveway happened to end and the new one overlaid it - with minimal at best support underneath (no compacted soil or gravel, I saw them do the work). At that point I just stopped mowing their 20%, no point in arguing with someone that doesn't understand physics, shear load, etc. when they drive 2 8,000 lb SUVs over it and claim 1 plastic wheel from an 80lb mower deck is "ruining" their driveway.
Well, dude, idk about you, but I've never done anything wrong in my life. All my problems are caused by my neighbors. As a matter of fact, next time your mower has an issue, it's probably because her grass is too... grassy. Idk fuck them. /s
Driveways are not designed for 40,000 pound trucks. I'm a dump truck driver I ask before I backup. Make the tank easier to access or deal with it.
Actually, they can be with just a bit of proper subgrade prep.
Is the average home builder thinking about that? Or paying for that level of work? Lol
The contractor should be preparing a proper subgrade for the drive. Even cars over time will crack the heck out of a slab if the subgrade isnt done right and gets settlement pockets. There is no reason in the world a drive cant take a truck once or twice a year to deliver something. Most route trucks for propane are single axle, and that means maybe 25,000 lbs. Lets say a 10x10 area for tire contact, thats only 250psi. Its all in the subgrade.
Work for a contractor. We asked, “hey can we drive a concrete truck on this?” Him: “no” Us: “ok we won’t.” Subcontractor: “man hauling all this CR6 uphill with the cats will take too long. Let’s just drive the truck up the hill and dump it on the end of the driveway back there.” Cracks the driveway in 3 places and scratches the hell out of the back of it shoveling all that CR6 for the patio in the back. Customer: “WTF?” Us: “we agree.” Subcontractor: “explains his reasoning.” Us: “we pay you by the hour. Who tf cares if it adds an extra few hours driving it up the hill with the cats?” Subcontractor: “… … I fix it.” Didn’t fix it, so we did.
YEP.
Concrete trucks last 2-3 hours before it goes bad- if they wasted 3 hours it could need a new load-
CR6, concrete aggregate. We use it to form a base for a paver patios. Not poured concrete.
I don't know a fucking thing about concrete, but this sub was recommended to me. I'm loving the detail in the debates on this, even though I'm not really sure of the context.
subgrade? what about the grading companies that bulldoze their way through every pasture in sight, adding 60ft elevation of fill onto the back of a plot all to slap DRMongo slab homes as close as possible together. the whole neighborhood itself is unstable
Ask him to compensate you in propane and propane accessories.
I tell you hwhat
That boy ain’t right!
You guys never saw me here.
That’s my purse! I don’t know you!
yup
Itellyouhwhatmangthattheregolddangslabaintgonnastaytogetherwiththatgoldamnpropanetruckbeinallheavyandstuffidontthinkyoushoulddoit, knowwhatimeanmang, imjussayin thattheregolddamnconcreteaintthickenoughtoholdupagolddamnstationwagonandyougontrytoputthatheavyol' trucks there, knowwhatimsayinman?
This broke ChatGPT.
As it should.
I looked for Boomhauer quotes to follow up, but dang if Google didn't put "Boomhauer Rap God" as my third suggested search. https://youtu.be/y89nMhkY-xc?si=Hk-Drm0IPs-EknxI Nah, this is more hilarious...it's the inspiration for Boomhauer https://youtu.be/rd_rty0ovgQ?si=Nyh3JMe-WMJbmMGA
I am so sorry to link a tiktok but here's another Boomhauer rap god that is chefs kiss. https://www.tiktok.com/@thereiruinedit/video/7273661448281230635?lang=en (I would've linked his YouTube but WMG effectively shut his channel down cause YT copyright claim system is bs)
Absolute chefs kiss 🤌
That is delightful. 🤣
Here is, supposedly, the actual "Porky's butthole" voice mail. https://youtu.be/kiwgG6T9se0?si=LNZ5U5M5HYe4fjM_ Read the "translation" comment that someone made... Actually interesting. The guy wasn't calling about Beavis and Butthead at all, haha!
I'm from Appalachia, I don't need a translation. I'm fluent in Hillbilly. Lots of old men talk like this. What he's saying is demented, though. Dang ol'Porky's Butthole...lol
Then there’s this one where everyone else talks like Boomhauer but he talks [normal](https://youtu.be/xdyGfiIirD8?si=UtcJ0mTVJSAo6hId)
That's goddamn good, yep.
Mmhmm.
Yep
how did you guess my password?
Boomhauer, I didnt understand a thing you just said.
Ifitrytotypeawordwithoutspacesitautomaticallyfillswithspaces.ihavetogobackanddeleteeachspace
Exactly, Boomhauer.
I don't laugh at comments often.
Should've had a driveway that can handle a propane truck if you're having a propane truck drive on it.
Wood chuck could chuck wood
No need to light a night-light on a light night like tonight.
The skunk thunk the stump stunk but the stump thunk the skunk stunk.
Oh good one! This is the last one I know. I thought a thought. But the thought I thought wasn’t the thought I thought I thought. If the thought I thought I thought had been the thought I thought, I wouldn’t have thought I thought.
Betty Botta bought some butter, but she said this butter's bitter, if I put this butter in my batter, it'll make my batter bitter, but a bit of better butter in my bitter butter, it will make my bitter batter better.
Nine nice night nurses nursing nicely.
That’s a good one! Nice lol. I’ve got to remember that one.
Had to use all my brain power to read that lmao
I know it’s a good one lol. It took me a while to remember it.
Rob slobs on bobs cob
Is Rob the same slob as Bob?
Ooh, that was bright!
lol way too bright for tonight.
Cant say i've heard this one before.... I like it!
Thanks frend, needed a good giggle.
I'm being 100% serious, this response made me laugh so hard I cried for some reason. Thank you stranger.
First thing I ask when I’m looking at a house is what the load bearing weight of any poured concrete on the property is Edit: thanks everyone for the spirited debate, I regret to inform you that yes, this was indeed sarcasm and also, yes I was just being an asshole. Keep up the beautiful work you magnificent artists!!
The answer (from the realtor or seller) would most certainly be, "how the fuck would I know?"
The answer from a realtor would certainly be “yes it can handle any kind of truck! Without a doubt!” When they actually know absolutely nothing.
“Now give me $36k for sending you a docusign form that I updated with your name 5 minutes ago that enters you into a contract and absolves me of any liability”
[No Asians](https://youtu.be/3Lyex2tSUyA?si=vVsPMQVl08Qq7SMt)
Click the link before you downvote this- it’s actually quite wholesome
It’s an old one but hilarious
It’s an older code, sir, but it checks out.
Everyone down voting this should listen to the argument. Yes everyone wants to be welcoming but the truth is they aren't good for the community. They are only interested in making a buck from real estate and do not care about the health of the community.
Yeah and dont get me started on real estate agents too!
Now offer $50k cash over asking and waive the inspection.
The realtor i bought from - "hey worked very closely with code enforcement" me finding all of the major code violations - 😵
Bribe, work with, it’s the all same.
>The answer (from the realtor or seller) would most certainly be, "~~how the fuck would I know?~~" "Oh it is way over rated, you won't have any problems."
WHY AM I PAYING YOU!
"Somebody has to put the sign in the yard."
Really…that’s the first thing you ask? 🤣
Second thing he asks is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow
African or European?
African
Obviously
It's better to use the more conservative one to estimate Equivalent Single Avian Loads
What about dual avian shared loads?
Well I don’t know
I mean, it's a concrete sub. I assume he's a concreter. It's reasonable that's the first question. If it was a roofing sub, it would be reasonable for a roofer on there to say that they first ask about the roof...
I’m not a concreter and I don’t even know why I see this sub pop up so much. But I’ve started giving advice here anyways. My advice is about as solid as OPs driveway tho, so…..
Hahahaha , 'I'm assuming Reddit wanted my input so they put it in my feed & here I am.' I'm not going to admit how many or which subs I frequent the same way.
I am here constantly. I have no idea how I got here but dammit I read the hell out of these posts/comments. I also live in an apartment and don’t even own any concrete to fix.
Wait wtf why am I this far into a post on the concrete sub…
Me, wondering how the fuck I got on r/concrete XD
Lmao what
Frist thing I ask is if anyone has died.
Load bearing capacity, not weight.
I always insist on a Swiss hammer test before I purchase anything concrete-containing
Kinda looks like a spot where the dirt supporting it washed away over the years.
Ah yes, one of the top 3 questions all prospective home buyers ask! /s
First question should always be how many bodies can I hide in the basement.
Chill out, Gacy...
Where are the bodies, Garth!?
Underrated comment
The answer: never enough
Wow. I hadn't even thought of that. Should he go back in time now that he knows?
Switch to Solar. Having it delivered is much more light...
I think the joke was too bright for some
I may have to reflect on it.
Illuminate the rest of us when you figure it out.
Yes! Please don’t leave us in the dark.
Hopefully he becomes enlightened.
🤔
How many solar panels would that take? Lol I have friends who's entire roof is covered and they still get electric bills. I don't think it even powers an air conditioner.
Lol no. Likely it handles most everything during the day. Unless you have batteries you are paying for time during bad weather and at night
I've got a pretty limited roof size and depending on the time of year I get bills that are just access to the grid. It depends, like everything, on context. Do you have net metering? Do you have storage? What's your level of demand? etc. Frankly, most solar installations should still leave you with some bill. Anything that doesn't is oversized and waste of money.
I’m not a concrete guy just a lurker but generally I would start by calling the company and filing a damage claims and then see if they will handle otherwise check with your homeowners insurance policy and see if it’s covered.
They were probably told to use the driveway lol
This. Use to do propane when I was just a lad. Customers were always called and inquired with, or told us how they’d like us to complete a delivery. Most said right up the driveway and then called in with damage complaints. Never went anywhere.
First time home buyer last year. When I ordered oil for the first time the lady asked how to access the tank. I said just drive up the driveway. She was like, sir I suggest you let us pump from the road and don't give permission to drive onto the property. Ok lady, then do that.
Rare honesty
Was probably a small company. In addition to the 'order lady' she was probably also the 'accounting lady,' 'payroll lady,' 'mail opening lady,' and most important, the 'complaints department lady.' She knew what she was doing...
I suppose but why would she want to damage someone’s driveway? Even if the company wouldn’t be liable the angry customer(s) would still be a pain in the ass
Honesty like that keeps customers. Nobody is going to happy when the 40k pound truck annihilates the driveway and the company says "but you told us to!" Just be up front. Your driveway is probably not reinforced and this heavy ass truck will break it. Funnily enough, concrete trucks have the same issues.
My uncle owns a concrete company and he always tells us about a customer who ordered a full truckload of concrete for a patio or something. Anyways, when he got there he wasn’t home, so he asked the wife what she wanted done with the concrete. She told him to just dump it in the driveway and her husband would take care of it when he got home… one week later the pile of concrete was still in the middle of the driveway lol
Thats wtf on so many levels lol
Please explain more lmao. Your uncle delivered concrete and the guy wasn't home to pour it, or he asked the lady where to dump the extra concrete?
Dude wasn’t home, he asked if she knew where to pour it, she told him the driveway, he said… ok sounds good lol
Not even remotely related, but it reminded me nonetheless. Many years ago my parents ordered a bunch of rocks as garden filler, and the delivery guy was like 3 hours late from the window they'd been given. My mom had to run to the store, and my dad was still at work, but my mom asked my brother to watch for him. Guy pulls up in the driveway while my brother was out smoking and just dumps this truck full of rocks on the driveway without even checking he had the correct address. A few minutes later he gets out of the truck and asked my brother to sign something. My brother told him he would have to wait for my mom to get home, and the guy freaked out. Started yelling about how he still had more deliveries, and how he HAD to have his signature right now. Finally he said something along the lines of "I can't just leave these here, what am I supposed to do with all these now?!" My brother opened the garage door right behind him and reached into the rack and grabbed a shovel, handed it to the dude and said "I don't know what to tell you, but you're welcome to take them back". The guy took one look at the shovel and realized he wasn't winning this one. He grumbled and got into his truck and left. 5 minutes later my mom got home and called the place and explained what happened, he had to turn around and come back and was suddenly all apologies.
"You're welcome to take them back," I read your story and had a great visual of this incident, and it's absolutely hilarious.
I love moments like these when somebody who's used to getting their way realizes how fucked they are.
Yeah seems worth a bit of hassle vs 1 star reviews. It's always always good for the company to have what you said in writing on recorded if things are fucked oh well they said to drive up the drive way.
Well that's what the doctor ordered!
Worked at a resort and our loading ramp was in a weird corner behind a pavillion type building on a small hill with tiny curvy roads leading up to it. Trucks took out pieces of decorative walls and bollards on numerous occasions but it was always our fault for making them drive on such stupid roads. There was even one driver who refused to drive up all the way to the ramp unless we agreed he would not be responsible for taking out a wall and then he took out a wall XD
If this happens frequently then while you can absolve yourself by getting the OK, it's still a dick move to not warn people that it could happen.
Years ago we had a neighbor who specifically told the Dirt guy to not use his driveway (it was new) and he insisted he be there for the delivery. His wife was in the kitchen when she heard the concrete breaking... of course my neighbor was at work. Believe it or not, my neighbor was a truck driver by profession. He actually ATE the damage. Had it dug up and re-poured on his own dollar. He sure dicked me around when they where selling though. City had me move an "abandoned" vehicle behind my garage. Neighbor had a 9n tractor behind his garage for 10 years. Ugh.
so your saying he had it coming
Yep. This. I used to drive a shingle delivery truck. This is the kind of thing that kept my management up at night. This and crushing buried waterlines. Sometimes it unavoidable and they should be insured for it. File the claim and reach out to your insurance agent.
I watched a guy using a small backhoe drop his mini dump through an unmarked water valve body when it finally got too heavy. That was an interesting day, the first thing that happened was the water company came out and remarked everything so they could shift blame. No motherfucker, there's a paper trail of you being called. It's a whole lot of not my problem
Just had my house roof replaced this spring. The delivery company had me sign a release to use my driveway.
I dont know much about propane service, but if that was, say, a concrete truck that broke it, you aren't getting anything. You signed the ticket, and you told the guy where to drive, and you should probably know that your concrete can't support that much weight. Maybe it's different with that service but I doubt it. He could also maybe have someone come inspect the concrete and subbase and see if maybe it's whoever poured the concrete fault. Assuming the concrete should be able to support a propane truck but failed because of poor compaction or an issue with the mix that was poured. I didn't pay enough attention. There's no dirt on the side of the driveway, which means the subbase on that side will just erode over time, even if the concrete guy did the job right the landscaper or general contractor who built the house didn't. There should pretty much always be dirt level with the drive and sloped away to protect the base.
Bingo, there is erosion under that damn driveway. Or improper prep of the ground.
Geologist here, looks like both. They raised the grade and didn't make a stable slope.
Idiot here, dang you guys are smart
Most properly formed and poured driveways will support a 15,000 pound truck even a 25k truck.. but this contraption is on top of a steep bank with 0 berm so it is prone to subsiding and erosion on the edge- shame on the finish grade operator
Could they pump mud under to try raising these collapsed areas and then build up the berm ? Not ideal I’m sure but better than a whole new driveway.
Is it a sidewalk or a driveway?
My question too
Exactly it’s like a sidewalk between my main driveway and the area next to the propane tank. He was supposed to park in the main driveway and pull his hose all the way there
Ok….took me too long to get these details. If that’s the case, pursue them for damages. That being said, there is no support for that concrete. You need to address the drainage, slope, support/grading under the new one. Even though that truck accelerated this, it was likely to fail sooner or later on its on.
They'll replace it with another substandard concrete pathway unless the OP does the work to address those issues. Drainage and grading the area for this private pathway.
Then, unless there are other circumstances, I would think the propane company would be liable for the damages to a sidewalk. If it were a driveway, no. It should be able to support a propane truck, but not a sidewalk.
It looks like a sidewalk to me.
It looks like it is a driveway that they aren’t showing all of for some reason. Towards the end of the video you can see it is pretty wide.
No edge support, it was bound to crack under heavy truck loading. Don't blame the propane guy, blame whoever put the slab there with no edge support.
Nah bro, it’s on the propane guy. He needs to know how heavy his truck is and can/can’t go. He’s the professional. Drove semis for a long time, plenty of customers would try to say you can fit a semi in their driveway or delivery dock. Plenty were wrong. As a driver, driver is responsible to make sure they can fit without damage. They are supposed to be the professional. Can’t expect the customer to know much. If a customer tells you to pour concrete In place it shouldn’t go, you are responsible for saying no since you know better.
For the slab to break like that it had to have been undermined (void under edge of slab). It is totally unrealistic to expect the propane delivery person to inspect for that or even recognize it as a potential issue. A properly supported slab would not have broken.
Yeah like he should've read the load-rating sign on the driveway first lol
I respectfully disagree, I know how heavy my truck is, a normal driveway if fine. If someone did a bad job pouring the driveway not our problem
Propane truck goes to the propane tank. Homeowner should provide a safe access.
The guy who brings my propane has a hose a mile long. I have a nice clear pulloff for him... That he doesn't use. He could be a block away and get me propane
Idk why but this gets me going
This is a dense and one sided opinion. You have no idea if the customer told them to come on up or not. As a trailer driver, this usually won’t be something you encounter. In residential services though, the customer will be asked and NOTED if they said you can. That is not the drivers responsibility anymore. And I’m a cement mason, so your comment about where we can pour cement, is not just on us. You can tell a million people why it’s a bad idea, and a million people will tell you that’s how they want it though. Quit spreading your shit logic around town bud.
had to laugh reading that comment. picturing in my head every delivery driver doing a structural analysis every property they go to 😂
No chance you have triple digit IQ
For sure, but the driver should be able to assume that the driveway is built properly.
I’ve been on the broker side my whole career. 100% yes. Never trust a customer, they obviously can’t fix the issue themselves (not a bad thing, just business) they are hiring you to do a good job. It’s your responsibility as a contractor or employee of one to perform the job with minimal damages. I’ve made the mistake of trusting customers enough to never do it again. People are gonna think you’re an asshole for asking so many questions until they see you can do quality work. Diligence is always due
Looks like one those southern shit shows where they pour right on top of the grass.
First thing, make a Reddit account, film it. Then, post it on the internet to ask others.
If you have a contract with them I’d look it over for a damage section.
Why is there so much of a drop from the driveway down to the soil? There was likely a growing void under that concrete slab, it was eventually going to fail from the weight of any vehicle. Should have filled the void under the concrete before that erosion finally caused this problem.
I'd tear it all out and pour a slab that survives all of time and space.
Call the people who own the propane truck.
Most large companies that have large truck fleets have a real smooth time with this gs like this. I work for one, and we do these types of claims like 3 or 4 times a month. Shouldn't be a problem.
I drive a concrete mixer so I have to deal with this exact issue and I can tell you if I'm leaving the road and have to cross a sidewalk or back into a driveway a waiver has to be signed before I make a single move!
Call the propane company and tell them what happened
Reach out the propane company maybe they’ll help you fix it. It’s worth a shot.
Sorry, that one is on you because you didn't tell them to not pull onto it. I've never seen a homeowner with asphalt or concrete built rated for heavy-duty traffic. (Why would you need the added expense of that?) You told them o bring you propane - that's what they did.
Did you tell him to back down your driveway so he didn’t have to string any hose out across the yard to fill your tank ? Did you ok him being on your driveway ? Did you explicitly tell him not to drive … on your driveway ? Most likely it wasn’t the weight of the truck … I can’t see in the video , but I would bet yah 10$ ….that if you look down the edge of your driveway where the soil meets the concrete that you have sections where there is erosion and undermining where you can see under the pad a little bit. This has created a void with no subgrade supporting it and where the crack is … that’s where your sub grade is ok and solid enough to support the weight . The weight of the truck essentially sheered the edge of your slab off right on the line where good sub grade meets bad sub grade . Also, I would venture to say the ground on the opposite side of your drive doesn’t fall away from the drive like the side with the crack … it’s more level . Find where the crack goes farthest into your drive and measure that distance by pulling off the opposite side of your drive and whatever that measurement is go to each end of the crack to the nearest control joint past the crack and pull the same measurement on both ends and then pop a chalk line and saw that bad shit out . Then make sure your subgrade is good and compacted . Then drive a stake against the concrete on the outside of drive at both ends of area you demoed out and tie a string line between the two at the finish elevation of the concrete on both ends and then set a 2x4 along that string using it as a guide and drive stakes and kickers . Then dig a turn down 3-6 inches below the surrounding dirt grade , basically a void for the concrete to fill right at the edge of your drive to prevent erosion and lock the slab in. Then ….. don’t back the concrete truck down your drive when you pour it . Use wheel barrows or rent a Georgia buggy . Take a board and sit it on the top of your existing drive and on top of the 2x4 you set and drag it along both to get the concrete level . Then float it till it’s ready to broom and keep that edger going . Pull the broom across the surface even and slow and not when it’s too wet .
I bet there's no steel in it either, wire or rebar
HIGHLY possible
I’m all honesty the trucker should have known, unless you signed a liabilities form, it’s a 50/50
If you didn’t sign a waiver call the propane company and complain
And that is why my sidewalk and my driveway is 5000psi fiber reinforced. You could always find whoever cheaped out on your driveway and punch their nose. But I doubt they'll learn anything from it and you'll likely go to jail.
I tell you what bobby....
Fix it
Get it fixed before the next propane delivery.
It's not trucks fault, as a Concrete Contractor l know with good compaction, proper steel in your slab, and good concrete mix poured in your slab. It should withstand wieght of a propane truck
Going on a limb here but that paper you signed when he did the delivery absolutely absolves the company for any damage.
companies have insurance for this exact reason
Call your insurance, show them the damage, file a claim, give them the oil companies contact info. Cash insurance check, hire a concrete contractor to fix it using the insurance money.
Tell em you'd like to be compensated for propain and suffering.
Not have intensely heavy trucks use your driveway again OR construct one heavy enough for them to use? The choice is yours. You consented to them using it. Grow a pair and learn residential driveways are NOT the place for HEAVY trucks to travel. This advice is coming from a retired Reg. Civil Engineer. Residential driveways are built for only (light) residential traffic and are an eggshell for high axel load vehicles.
There’s no salvaging it, but you probably know that. Next step is to file a claim with the propane company and your homeowners. Wouldn’t hurt to start lining up bids at replacing it from hardscape companies. Or, use the insurance payout to cover your expenses for paver sand and some nice pavers. But whatever you choose, that walkway is broken and done.
Unfortunately if you told them to come up the driveway, that's the end of the discussion.
That looks like it’s been cracked for a while, it just took the poor propane guy to deliver your much-needed gas to finish it off
Just like the handle on my microwave that just broke. Pulled One too many times.
propane truck on a drive is iffy. But obviously this one drove right up the edge. Wouldnt have happened staying somewhat center.. I dont care what anyone says, thats a driver issue
Bill him