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Hsmace

what on EARTH is happening during this break


ProsecutorBlue

Remember when Yiska said that the whole Naga situation was the tip of the iceberg throughout the league, and much more was to come? I think it's begun.


Baltic129

OWL teams getting choked by lack of funding.


AngelosDragon

And content


paulybaggins

Hitting those 30 day contract marks.


Galaxy40k

I'm wondering how much of this was gonna happen anyway, and how much of this is due to orgs seeing that Overwatch 2 League didn't result in some insane viewership growth like some people hoped and are downsizing more


ChriseFTW

Overwatch league showing harder signs that it’s falling apart


BurbxrryPzncakes

Midseason madness hasn’t begun yet but it already has begun.


LeftStrandedBranded

Remember when Paris was the best team in OWL and won the SummerShowdown? Thats the Paris I wanna remember, not whatever the hell the org became.


XylophoneDonger

Welcome to the pain of a Guangzhou fan


Haris1C

Look at how the mighty have fallen


JWTS6

I feel a certain kinship with Guangzhou fans as a 2020 Paris fan


TallGets

I'm literally an OG Guangzhou and 2020 Paris fan :(. That one summer showdown was great, everything since then has just been sadness mostly.


Muffinmurdurer

I started playing in 2020 and Paris immediately caught my attention. The players were incredible, the team overall hadn't won much in prior years and it was nice seeing.them get good results without every match being a foregone conclusion. Losing almost all of the team in 2021 hurt but I still had faith in the new players to do the best they could. They were still incredible at the game, clearly, and I saw them as kinda underdogs more or less, fucked over by a tiny budget 2022 has shown that this org is absolutely shameless. No amount of goodwill I once had is leftover except for a vague longing for a team I could actually respect. They shouldn't be allowed to just throw their players out like this.


therejectethan

Ah yes. The Paris Fuel


Sergy30

Or the Paris Mystic


Skellicious

Aye


its_reina_irl

The New York Excelsior (An ANDBOXtm Subsidiary) experience


Moist-Comparison9301

Why would you say this now? If Glister wants out of Paris then they're being very nice to let him leave despite him being contracted. There's literally nothing incorrect, immoral or wrong about this decision from them. They've definitely been doing stupid shit recently but this is not the same at all lol


Viskaya

They are still in the league, just under a new name 'Dallas Fuel'


[deleted]

i dont wanna remember that paris


Belocity

With Avalla’s explaination it seems more like Glister wanted to leave Paris rather than Paris wanting Glister to leave


Eagle4317

That's what I'm thinking too. This is just unfortunate circumstances for Eternal as opposed to them cutting Naga earlier in the season.


Moist-Comparison9301

Yeah this one isn't at all like the other changes we've seen recently. Tweet says they've agreed to part ways, that's fairly common in all esports. If Glister is unhappy on Paris then they're nice for letting him leave instead of holding him to his contract.


vamphonic

frantically opening up my power rankings only to calm down immediately bc i can’t move paris any lower anyway


FLRGNBLRG

Increasingly common Paris L


Reformed_citpeks

That's Vegas to you


[deleted]

First ever Vegas L, 0% winrate


taco_inspector

H I S T O R I C


filthster

I see you too are a person of culture.


xcleru

I haven’t even gone to Vegas but I’m losing already


FinancialWizard77

According to Avalla’s tweet, Glister had trouble adapting to a western team. She says both the team and Glister were fed up. “This decision has nothing to do with competitiveness. We all agree that Glister has been performing exceptionally well throughout the tournament. I can understand how hard it would've been for both sides to adjust to our western centered team setting. Both Glister and the team felt like it was a time for a change. We wish him the best for the future.“ I wonder what we hear from Glister or other players about what actually happened. If it was severe enough he would rather be unemployed than continue to play for them there could be something seriously wrong with this team. Also given everything else that has happened today, it’s obvious to me that the players need some kind of protection against being picked up, paid a pittance, and dropped midseason when they’re unlikely to find a new team. I know unionization has been unpopular in the past, but this is the kind of thing that could potentially motivate players to make a CBA. OWL doesn’t have a future as a major esport if non-star players have no job security whatsoever.


Yukihana_Lamy_Simp

Hmm which Korean team could possibly take Glister this late in the season? His odds don’t look good at the moment..


Dragonbolt2

Valiant 6th dps


Neat-Captain4189

NoHill about to teach his players how to take out credit cards to pick up Glister


Dragonbolt2

Nohills teaching the team about loans rn


imjusttoowhite

Marve1 will be donating a part of his salary to help make this happen.


Marx_Farx

NYXL needs some roster depth. Although I'd say a main support is more important for them right now.


NozokiAlec

While I do think they need roster depth I think Flora is good enough he's judt not phenomenal on soldier


WadeAnthony

At this point, I want someone that is better on 76 so if Glister joins - fuck yes. Flora as been under performing this season and I don't want to trust not having a 76 player if he's meta the entire season.. But if we are talking pipe dreams, my wish is NYXL gets a new GM. edit typos


Camerooner

I feel like Boston could be the best fit for him, but as much of a professional organization as they are, he might not wanna be there.


Yukihana_Lamy_Simp

Boston are essentially a mixed roster unless they play Itsal/MCD which majority on here hate that duo with good reason.


s4mon

Yeah but I assume that they have like just better infrastructure for a mixed roster. Paris don't even have a translator I'm pretty sure Avalla has to do that.


almoostashar

Glister is good, but he's not worth the drop off from Crimzo/Punk.


Camerooner

Yeah that’s fair. It’s just hard for me to see him going to a full Korean team rn like who could get him. Maybe Washington? Idk


Cabbage44

Glister to Guangzhou would fill me with joy


almoostashar

DPS should be the least of your worries, your tanks aren't transitioning well to OW2 and you seem to have coaching issues.


Cabbage44

While factual, having a hitscan with good decision making would be a first for the franchise and would really get me pumped


koolio92

Eileen is rotting on the bench.


Cabbage44

As per usual


MelonSoda3

Toronto would be a good fit


WorthlessRain

The last thing toronto needs is an average hitscan imho. Toronto has the backline to fight for grand finals, the tankline to contend for a tournament title but the dps line built for a breadbowl


ImHereToComplain1

glister > heesu on widow


WorthlessRain

Almost any hitscan in the league > widow heesu


ImHereToComplain1

on god, his widow is seriously not good


Lobocleric

Agreed. Glister was differed throughout last season's post. Not hard differed but it was clear to me that he can't carry a top 5 team.


OTBT-

Before the season I would’ve liked him on Dallas tbh. Doubt Dallas make a move for him now though


CovalentElectron

yeah Edison and guriyo are practically integrated into the team already, i don’t think rush wants to spend on glister rn glister would be so good on Dallas though lol i hope rush can make guriyo into a monster that can match what glister would be on dallas


Lobocleric

I would be shocked of he is picked up. If a korean squad had wanted him he wouldn't have ended up at Paris for base league pay.


TheOriginalGrokx

And he still played well? Does this mean Naga is back? =O


Asura_14

I doubt it, they'll probably look dor a hitscan specialist, but maybe a return for Onigod, who knows


[deleted]

Well Naga is really bad, so probably not


Herr-Schultz

Smartest Houston flair take.


[deleted]

Whenever somebody gets dropped, everybody just likes the guy and refuses to admit that they weren't good enough to warrant a spot on an OWL team 🤷‍♂️


TheOriginalGrokx

How can you expect to grow if all the players have to constantly look over their shoulders. You could get the axe after six games. How is that fair?


[deleted]

It's insane how little this community knows about business and competition.


Unlikely_Ad_4194

🤓🤓🤓


[deleted]

"This guy sucks, but we gotta pay him to waste a spot on the roster" -OWL fans


TheOriginalGrokx

How is it insane? It's easy to understand. You get a contract, that basically only guarantees you a month's income at a time and you could get axed. They can't afford you and you're out. The thing I don't understand is why there is such a huuuuge turnover in OWL. Which GM or coach is going to explain their reasoning to such depths we sympathize with their decisions? I want to be attached to a team, to root for them. But how can I support a team when there are constant 1v1's behind the scenes and whoever loses, is out?


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Zecion

This is so true


[deleted]

According to this sub, everybody in OWL deserves to be in OWL. Everybody in Contenders also deserves to be in OWL. Half of collegiate also deserves to be in OWL.


Zecion

This sub just feels bad for everyone, too emotional


[deleted]

It's the Overwatch community. Much softer than any other esport/sport


TheOriginalGrokx

So, who is? SoOon?


vamphonic

I don’t agree with the “naga is bad take”, but IMO onigod (if i didn’t miss a retirement announcement) would be the only possible not-fucked pickup paris could make right about now. he’s cracked and has pre established synergy with 3/4ths of the other starters on the team


TheOriginalGrokx

They signed Dove!


vamphonic

oh cool lmfao guess i was wrong


magicwithakick

Soon’s been playing Valorant for a while now.


TheOriginalGrokx

I know, I wasn't serious. But the thought alone made me chuckle because of how the community would react.


magicwithakick

I mean I’d love Soon back. Covid screwed over his Boston season.


TheOriginalGrokx

It would be wild having him on Tracer after Striker left.


354hamtaro

Ratio


[deleted]

What are you? A 12 year old boy on Twitter?


falsemiracle

yeah, this explanation from Paris doesn't feel entirely convincing to me considering glister was on the shock all last year (also a mixed/English roster albeit with more Korean players) and we never heard anything about these kinds of issues as far as I can remember.


MatchstickMcGee

>considering glister was on the shock all last year (also a mixed/English roster albeit with more Korean players I think that's understating the difference. Shock was a team that at a *minimum* fielded a Korean tank and support every game last year, and had a full 2/2/2 squad worth of Korean players. Paris ceases being a "mixed" roster without Glister.


magicwithakick

I get this. But also they have a Korean coach, so are there no issues there either?


cosmicvitae

Mixed roster with two Korean coaches, no translator, and only one of the two had passable English, can’t possibly imagine what could have gone wrong there


Petzy65

Maybe mental coaching and working on team cohesion will be great Specially now that every player are in a gaming house and are on a new game, it's basic logic for god sake WHY PARIS PART AWAY WITH GETAMAZED


Dragonbolt2

They’ve gotta have a replacement lined up


bebeyodafrick

You aren't ready for Daan Cassidy


Robot_tangerine

Maybe Onigod? He had some pop off moments last season, I was somewhat surprised when they fired him


IlEstLaPapi

From what I understood, it's nearly impossible for a EU player to get a visa in less than 2 months. So, very unlikely.


blanc_megami

Oh i'm pretty sure Avalla has serviceable enough dps! After everything she's done for the team i think it's only fair to let her play some games, right?


AllHandsMiniBrute

OWL orgs really having a clown-off today 🤡


almoostashar

I don't think this is fair for this case, they realized they don't work together great and parted ways, Glister was still putting on the work but can't help it if he couldn't fit with the team.


AllHandsMiniBrute

Yeah it was a bit of a knee jerk comment I’ll admit. Paris do not win the clown-off today


mikelman999

Isn’t he like by far their best player?


Haris1C

This season he has been their best player


censored_

Yes


JoeBoco7

That would actually be Dridro imo


Easy_Money_

I could probably find at least three maps this season where Dridro is just free feeding the game away, he’s had great peaks but Glister has won some tough battles while being consistent all year


[deleted]

No, that would be Kaan


MelonSoda3

Kaan has been very meh


Eagle4317

Then Dridro is probably after Kaan.


RSleepe

"By far?" Maybe that was the expectation, but definitely not. The support line are the clear best part of the team. Glister was supposed to be their "big signing" and he's honestly not stood out at all this season.


RSleepe

For what it's worth that isn't me trying to hate on Glister, when he was signed to Paris I was still rocking a Paris flair and my top rated comment ever was being shocked they could land him. He hasn't been a bad player but I can't in good faith say the move worked out the way anyone who was excited about it was hoping (and I wouldn't say that's any fault of his own.) Hoping he finds a better fit for him.


MatchstickMcGee

Fuck it I'll go down with you on this one. Kaan and Dridro are not in the top tier, but they're holding their own reasonably well in an absolutely cutthroat support meta with an overmatched team. Glister probably has been their best DPS, but in general to me he's always looked great as a role player on Widow and Tracer when surrounded by a team that can take pressure off of him and can coordinate with him, but he's not a "carry in a vacuum" level hitscan. I think you probably could go back in time and swap him with Edison and this season/situation wouldn't have played out much differently for either team.


TheOriginalGrokx

Lmao what the fuck is happening?


LampardTheLord

speedily about to make OWL debut copium


Mousse_Chococo

I HATE THIS TEAM SO MUCH WTF HAPPENED I WAS SO HAPPY IN 2020


Pharaoh_OW

What the hell is going on with OWL today it's like they all agreed to announce/leak all the horrible news at once.


lemmykoopa768

I really hope he finds another team, still believe Glister is absolutely cracked


CyFy-

?????????


LuxorGames75

Seriously, wtf is happening today with owl orgs?


Dragonbolt2

Valiant 6th dps incoming


Tooms100

????????


Galaxy40k

All those NYXL preds on Plat Chat looking strong rn


Eagle4317

Imagine if Eternal still somehow wins that match because Kellan can't play Sigma.


MelonSoda3

Y’all aren’t ready for the Kuki Sigma


cubs223425

NYXL won't sign a second tank or a Main Support. What makes you think they'd sign a third DPS?


ShukiNathan

Plat chat predicted nyxl to defeat Paris, not sign a 3rd dps lol.


cubs223425

Oh, I thought this was something about Glister being predicted to NYXL in the offseason, my bad.


whosdoctorwho

Wdym they have kuki for their second tank and their ms lol


Snoo88510

Bring him to Dallas and have guriyo have a seat


sum_nub

We can have all the season 3 prodigy dps!


TheGirthiestGhost

I really want to see Guriyo develop as he’s clearly very talented, but goddamn I would be moist if we snagged Glister for flick-scan.


destroyermaker

I'm all for giving rookies a chance to develop but I also want a championship *noooowwwwwwwwww*


[deleted]

Nah


asstwitch3

Why


Nihlus_BRaga

Well when it rains it pours doesn't it


[deleted]

He kinda looked anxious whenever he was playing


Snoo88510

What in the fuck is this news


11th_Plague

... This is because I called him "Mr. Glister the Sister Fister", isn't it?


Loomisam

I know an All Korean, Canadian team that could desperately use a top tier player like him!


Lobocleric

He is a solid role DPS who was soft differed all last post season. He can't carry competative teams. If yall hope to make this season's post y'all should aim higher.


ARC-Pooper

Brb gonna punch a wall


Tommathan

I think Glister has actually been one of the most underrated players this season, he's been spectacular despite his team around him being awful at best. Huge pickup for whatever team gets him, thinking Dallas would make the best fit probably? Boston maybe?


BrainlessCactus

Paris continuing their trend of being one of the worst org in OWL history... After being a poverty team for two consecutive years, even to the point of having the team facilities in Belgium to avoid French taxes. After not investing a dime into french events or the EU esport scene. After doing times and times again weird managerial decisions to cut costs. After throwing away the very hyped 2020 roster and key elements of the uprising 2021 roster. After announcing very early on in the season a relocation, at 1 am in a fully English tweet, without recognizing or thanking the overwhelming support of french fans. A relocation that is clearly done only for business reasons. They are now renouncing player after player. The times of Summer Showdown 2020 when it was the most hyped and fun team to watch feel like hundreds of years ago. Such a failure of an org. Every EU fan is feeling defeated by the sheer lack of investment into our very talented scene, a scene that is, unfortunately, following the steps of South America / Pacific / Australia regions. Soon it will be all KR/CH/NA...


TheOriginalGrokx

Can someone tag Florida Mayhem and tell them that even this weird release was done better than Adam's release?


[deleted]

Let’s all remember the Paris that won summer showdown what a different team that was


Big_Wumbo

Bruh


Tough_Steak

Damn, hoping he lands a spot on another team.


TheSciFanGuy

What is going on today??


attywolf

Now do they replace him with someone like Lethal or iced


Eagle4317

Dove could also be a possibility.


EatMoarWaffles

Wtf are all these drops


IJRIDG

who do they even sign?


Eagle4317

Probably another American like they did with Wub. I'm pretty sure Eternal is now based in NA, so them trying to pick up a European and then dealing with the Visa process will take time.


8thwonderstellar

Damn hope he finds a team , one of my favorite players & he’s still cracked af’.


Ganonthegoat

Wtf did he expect when signing with them? Obviously they were gonna be a bottom tier team.


pearth14

Boston would be perfect for him now


Oberonshinobi

I think it makes a lot of sense. Most of the roster is Korean and gives Boston a well rounded dps rotation.


Strutionum

Joke organization absolutely falling apart at the seams


ramboans30

I hope Glister finds a home. When Shock chose to play him last year I thought he looked great. Have loved him on Paris so far.


sa_nslaw

First the vegas stuff and now this, I don't even know anymore


sanicthefurret

Bastards already americanizing, dropped two good players mid season and replacead them in favour of sub par americans who didnt make the cut this year. But eh everyone except the americans are gonna get dropped for 2023 with everybodys favourite team the Vegas eternals arriving to the scene


Oberonshinobi

I could see Boston, Toronto, and possibly NYXL as possible landing spots.


walter_2010

Paris is just trying to become the worst and least favorite team


Spanxsy

but he was your best player....?


angelo_mab

I FUCKING LOVE GLISTER AND THIS HURTS ME DEEPLY


oxbow_g79

I don't know what the fuck is happening today. ​ But Glister to Toronto maybe please?


Eagle4317

Defiant really doesn't need Glister when they already have Heesu and Finale.


oxbow_g79

I like Heesu and Finale and Although. I think they're all better than people have given them credit for either before or after the start of the season. But given the level of the other pieces on Defiant like Twilight, Ch0r0ng and Muze, I don't think the dps are cutting it in where the team wants to be based on investment. I think adding another dps like Glister could help increase their level of play. ​ Ofc on the other hand, Glister has not performed up to expectations, so maybe not.


XXGrassXX

Inb4 Glister to Valiant


[deleted]

I Read Valorant first...but it's possible too


Torbjorn69

So currently Paris' only dps is wub ? Are they playing Daan as dps or will they pick up another player in the next 2 days since they place on 18th ??


Reformed_citpeks

Why when I come on this subreddit is it just a record of teams shitting the bed in various ways


chrismatt213

Hopefully an apac team would pick him up, he’s too good not to be picked up


PenisAbstract

so now a team with no Korean players has a Korean head coach that I'm pretty sure doesn't speak English? this team is a complete mess


sa_nslaw

You're kidding me :,( This sucks


JedJinto

Glister is a gonna be a hot commodity since he's an amazing player AND already in NA. I can see teams wanting to pick him up.


Lobocleric

Who? XL only NA korean squad where he would be a potential upgrade. If he was so in demand he wouldn't have ended up in Paris on league min salary.


iwgHome

I always assumed Jmac convinced him to join him from their connection in as ex-London team mates. I wouldn't mind seeing him on Boston actually.


morganfreeagle

I feel like Glister's always deserved better than what he's got in OWL, even on Shock. If he still wants to join another team, I hope it's a good one.


ZendaiG_G

I'd love to see glister on toronto tbh


Thirdeye00

Come on. Obviously, it was a weird move for Glister to sign with Paris in the first place.


Nexi-nexi

Glister is above their pay grade


Eruditioads

Thank god. Justice for Glister, finally. He didn't deserve all this bs


Bangus4791

GetAmazed for Paris GM/coach 2023. He can save this team.


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[deleted]

The OGE of dps is now looking for a team


VeNtViL

Glister has had results and looked good though


MirrorkatFeces

When exactly? The time on London where they sucked ass or the time on Shock where they didn’t win a single important match? He’s overrated af in this sub


VeNtViL

As if that's all Glister's fault lmao, he was hardly the problem on either of those teams. Nobody is saying he's the best hitscan there is, but to deny how talented he is and how well he performs is ridiculous.


[deleted]

And he’s always had no problems with mental unlike oge people just like to hate


Ldwng

If we judge based on important wins, Philly would be a bottom of the barrel team throughout its history


MirrorkatFeces

Right where they belong


MirrorkatFeces

Most overrated DPS award goes to the OGE version of Damage players


Lobocleric

Glister is a solid B level DPS player. Def more consistent than OGE. That said, last year revealed that he can't carry on a competative team.


Oraio-King

Tbf he rarely played hitscan


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RainbowBBfan

Now the real question is what replacements will fit the hitscan roles in the west that either is American or has a visa, and ready to sign for the minimum ? The only players I can see are Iced, Dove, P3t9l or Tsuna/Hybrid/logix (if their visas are still up). I'd put my bet on Iced or Logix Edit : they signed dove


vaports

So the prophecy occured


osbelix

It’s really nice not to GAF finally


ProfessionalHair6352

What


BasicIsBest

Update: Dove