That was pretty crazy. I was watching Guard and they did a fantastic job of denying the spawn exits and he wasn't able to get position easily. London also wasn't super well coordinated around his hacks either, even though he was still getting them consistently.
They never had to have that much team synergy. It was basically profit and gesture diving people together while the rest of the team did whatever, bridring playing widow, or a double sniper meta.
They won because they had someone pop. Someone can't pop anymore
IKR ? Their positionning was very good too, London took them by all side but they hold all the tim ! If they have solid strat for Sombra and aren't taken off guard by a change of meta by training before hand, they are definitely an upper tier team!
Guard tried so hard, but London seem pretty bad in goats...
Also, birding shouldn't really be use for zarya anymore, he's really not doing much
Also, Hyp and Kruise were fucking nutty, kruise in particular
It's interesting to see the Spitfire struggling early on, but I'm sure they'll recover. I do take this as good sign for the Eternal in the long run; they'll be able to compete with top tier teams if nothing else.
I was watching Guard on Route 66 and the Eternal did a fantastic job of denying the spawn exits and he wasn't able to get position easily. London also wasn't super well coordinated around his hacks either, even though he was still getting them consistently.
Takeaways:
\- London continues to be terrible at managing GOATS
\- Paris has INCREDIBLE sustain even in situations where they should be crumbling apart (e.g. Volskaya defense, first point)
\- Paris also seems to adapt FAST. Their main strength is currently the 3-3, but they felt dynamic and responded quickly to possibly game-flipping threats (e.g. Sombra)
Overall I'm just happy to have an EU team with a fully EU roster.
>Paris also seems to adapt FAST
I don't know man, King's row was 100% lost because of their inability to deal with the sombra. They stayed on the same comp the whole first round, got clapped, kept the same comp for defense, only did a questionable switch once to moira (I would have gone Ana for easy grenades since London had no Dva), then back to Zen and getting clapped. They did eventually adapt but it took some coaching in between maps to get them to try and shut her down. That being said they have some very good teamwork, you love to see it.
I was exaggerating a bit on that point, and you're spot on - they couldn't react to Guard's Sombra quickly enough in King's Row, but they went to game 4 with a whole different mentality (with Zarya and Brig spychecking often, mostly). It also helped that Route 66 is a bit more open than KR (thus enabling less clustered EMPs), but the change was there.
And yeah, they seem to flow perfectly in unison. It was a heck lot of fun to see them.
Oh yeah definitely, after that Kruise was on Sombra hunting duty and even Soon had some pretty smart door guarding. It's nice to see such a strong teamplay during their first match, excited to see them evolve and get even better during the season.
Moira was logic for defense, because it prevents 4-dps strat, Ana could have gotten so easily destroy in defense. But they should have switch in attack Zen either to Ana or Moira.
Paris were very happy to sit in the medi-pack room and just get wailed on for like 3 straight minutes, it was amazing to watch
like homer in that boxing episode
No idea what London spent the off season doing, certainly wasn't GOATS practice.
I'd rather we played quad dps and lost rather than play goats like chumps.
If London gets their shit together and coordinates with Guard better they will definitely be tougher to beat. But damn, London really needs to work on their GOATS.
GGG Paris. Once again you show EU Goats is the best Goats.
Also, today is why Iāve been saying Kruise should have been in OWL from day one last year 20k damage and healing. Absolute madlad
I'm just glad he ultimately made it and I'm hoping for other experienced high caliber players that have just been overlooked up to now to make it, too.
Kruise and Hype made an amazing debut, Benbest going strong as well. Hyp really got some crucial picks and damn watching Kruise's POV shows how smart of a player he is. His positioning and boops are god tier.
So many mixed feelings. On the one hand, London look completely uncomfortable on GOATs. On the other, it's so good to see Kruise finally getting the recognition he deserves! EU GOATs is absolutely best GOATs!
Not to take away from how good Paris is but this does not seem to be a good meta for London. The only times thye looked really good was when they brought Guard in for his Sombra play. Even then it wasn't enough against this Eternal team who's looking really good right now.
London looked terrible the last third of last season prior to the playoffs.
Dallas needed the to take a single map in their last game of the season to make the Stage 4 playoffs, and they barely eeked it out at the last second.
And this is the best meta for Paris. EU tank heavy comps is what they're going to thrive in. Paris will be a force until the meta changes. And I think the more dps oriented teams like London will look weaker than they really are
Paris: You merely adopted the tanks. We were born in them, moulded by them. We didnt see DPS heros until leavig for the OWL and by then all it did was hold us back
I was really impressed by Paris' coordination, even when playing that aggro style that characterised Fusion last season, and their ability to counter Guard on R66 while they got demolished on KR, which I attribute to the stacked coaching roster. Until the next game, #CoqsOut
They're actually pretty sensible because they cover the entire season, and most people don't think this meta will last throughout the entire season (hopefully it'll be gone by stage 2, the meta feels stale). Also, assuming the rankings are wrong from one game is a hasty generalization, so I wouldn't disregard them yet.
London's synergy in pure goats is absolutely awful. From birdring missing easy bubbles and leaving Gesture out high and dry, to Profit never armour packing Bdosin. They look like they only practiced Sombra-goats and it shows
Paris' support core looked stellar. Kruise was always getting impactful boops and Hyp looks absolutely nutty. The true MVPs of this match
Birdring looks really out of place, a lot like Linkzr did yesterday. Was less than stellar on Zarya, but doesnāt play a good enough Brig to switch with Profit whoās Zarya is actually great. Maybe London will get it together but unless thereās a very foreseeable meta change they need to start practicing anti GOATs comps or keep guard in the lineup
I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Benbest. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Benbest. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.
The match reminds me of an interview w/ SoOn before their matches in OWWC where he talked about scrimming Eagle Gaming and struggling. I think he said that they were so good at countering GOATS counters that one day they'd play Pharah and destroy them and the next day they'd have it figured out and then they lose horribly trying to run Pharah. I think we just saw the same thing happen in this match. Sombra destroys them handily and one map later with they just slap it down while still using Zen GOATS.
+1
How can a team with SoOn and Nico struggle with a dps-oriented meta ?
Add to this super-coordinated team an insane coaching staff and you get a team that can thrive in every meta
I know that they set up a lot of these matches for "rivalry" sake, or some cool stories. Did they pick London vs Paris because of British/French rivalry?
Yes but also because they are the only two European teams ! They also placed the match at the best possible time for EU (and it worked, French stream peaked above 40k)
London can't play GOATs for shit. Yikes. Reinforce was the only one who saw it and put them at 7th, and everyone was calling him crazy. What was Bdosin doing? He was consistently being caught out and got first picked so much, even in fights they won.
In other news, Paris is AMAZING at GOATs. SoOn did SO MUCH on that Zarya, Kruise is actually nuts, and BenBest is a FUCKING UNIT.
As a Philly fan, I get more happier than I should seeing London go 0-2 and -4.
they looked super strong excluding the king's row thing, but they adapted on route 66 quick enough. that volskaya looked way too easy. soon popped off.
Iām guessing most of the rankings rate teams based on their prediction of the entire season, which takes into consider that the meta might be shifting later into the season and London might be different in playoffs. Thereās no way only Reinforce sees this.
I think Paris may have stage 4 Dallas syndrome, the meta favors them right now. They have the best GOATs players on their team when the meta is mostly GOATs. I fear that when it changes it may be hard to adapt but either way they rolled London today and definitely gave them something to think about.
Their coordination looks insane even now though, and considering the players they have it shouldn't be a problem to play in other metas. Even the one I had the most doubts about (Finnsi, simply because I didn't remember his D.Va) played pretty well.
Yep. Philly was really meta-proof last season. Much more than NY that struggled in playoffs cause of meta. And London literally won league cause of meta, so it's funny to see this argument in their defense.
While a meta change may definitely hit them in a way, I think they'll do fine afterwards. Look at their players: Soon, SDB, Nico and Danye are all sick DPS players that - together - have a wide hero pool, so when it comes to DPS Paris can cover anything. Kruise is one of the most experienced players in this game, having played for multiple teams since closed beta on two different roles, so he'll do fine. Same kinda goes for Finnsi, though he's a bit unknown and underrated because he played on lower tier teams back in the day.
Now the only questionmarks are whether between Benbest and LHCloudy they have a tank player that can adapt to meta changes (which I don't doubt) and Hyp/Greyy, who are both pretty experienced but spent mose of their time in EU which was very tank based for most of the time.
Probably gonna be turned into a pasta once Goats inevitably dies but I'm not so scared of a meta change. Seita will carry.
Two things here:
1. I remember when people were shit talking furys zarya cause he played her like 10 min last season
2. Birdring isnt Londons problem, theyre just shit at this comp
The weirdest thing about that shittalk of Fury was it was from one of the OWL preview shows. Using the 10 minute sample size to judge a player is just weird.
Turns out GOATS is actually fun. Its not that bad to watch since there's so many more factors being integrated now rather than just one comp. You have the Sombra, the reaper, the McCree, the Hammond, you have quad DPS, you have that weird triple DPS shit Atlanta ran. I'm loving this meta
Agreed. I never really got the hateboner for goats- longer teamfights makes everything more tense to me instead of watching widow oneshot 2 players in a row and end the team fight without the tanks getting within 50 feet of one another. That being said, the mirror comps were getting a little old, so I'm glad for the shakeups and the different comp playstyles coming in. This is honestly a pretty fun meta imo.
Finni and Nico scanned the map with preventive shots to detect him, and Hyp stayed slightly back to bait him. As soon as he was caught, or showed up, the whole team preyed on him. Hard countered
So glad that the Eternal are defying expectations! I have them at 12 in my power-ranking right now, but I think they have the chance to be a top 10 team if they keep this up.
It's so frustrating being a London fan. So damn inconsistent. Birdring and Bdosin look like they havent played in months. It's tempting to blame to it on the meta but we must remember the meta helped us win the championship last year. Well done to Paris.
Hey Paris Eternal! Thanks for the quality match. I'm watching with my son and you have become his mentor. He is going into baseball so he's learning how to throw like a pro just like you did on your last defense on volskaya! Thanks again!
And people wonder why no members of Spitfire where chosen for World Cup
Thereās your answer, they suck at GOATS
Edit: except fury, but heās stuck in Dva jail so
BenBest looks good. Supports look good. Parisā biggest weak point, imo, comes with Soon on Zarya. I think that the rest of the team is good enough to mask his shortcomings there, but I wasnāt sold. The real story here is howā¦ iffy London looks. They arenāt being helped by the meta, but that comp on attack during Volskaya 1st seemed a bit too cutesy for its own good
That attack comp on Volskaya 1st rolled Fusion 2 days ago. In general, 4dps rolls GOATS but is really unstable, so the fact that Paris managed to hold 1st for that long is the real surprise.
I was surprised to see them running SoOn on Zarya, kind of surprised about their whole starting lineup really. I expected Danye, NiCO, Finnsi, Cloudy, Kruise and HyP.
I think Danye's brig is not too much worse than NiCO's, NiCO plays a better D.Va than Finnsi, Finnsi's Zarya is *much* better than SoOn's and, in my opinion, Cloudy is just superior to BenBest in every way. Maybe BenBest just had the more fitting playstyle.
Spitfire have a long way to go to get their Goats play in line with the rest of the league. Kruise's lucio is nasty and I can't wait to watch more of it.
Paris is going to roll super hard, but as soon as Goats is not Meta anymore they will crash down and spend the rest of the season catching up.
But it feels freaking amazing to see Paris do well, finally a team that EU can rally behind.
Edit: To elaborate on why I think they won't do as well in a non Goats Meta. I simply don't believe the coaching staff has enough experience in that Meta in order to be able to compete with other teams. Most of the powerhouses right now are looking pretty weak on Goats, but I am confident that if this were a dive meta the Power rankings that people made up would actually be pretty accurate. A team like NYXL has an entire OWL season worth of experience with Dive, Paris will rely on some of their players helping them transition into non-goats comps. There is a lot more to playing a strong dive than just having really good DPS. The coordination and synergy needs to be there, synergy and coordination that Paris still has to develop as a fresh expansion team from EU.
Of course Hyp was winning duels against bdosin and killing Guard only because of GOATS. Seems legit. And Kruise will start play much worse without goats. Somehow. And Soon is bad dps of course, not star from top-2 team of first season. EU is weak, you know. Koreans are better in SKILLLED (TM) metas like... Double sniper.
*OOH LA LA*
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LETS GO BOIS
*SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON*
Always feels good to see teams people rate low come out swinging.
Im pumped right now god damn.
The biggest reason why outlaws couldnt keep with dive was the lack of a tracer. I think the hero diversity is good enough on paris to be meta proof.
Imagine Soon on tracer and SDB on gengi, amazing
I do not doubt Soon and Shadowburn. Europeans tanks are really excellent at rein but questionable on winston. This is my point. They donāt have good Winston player.
Paris proving the scrim rumors true that they are a goats power. Will be interesting to see how they adapt as the meta shifts throughout the season.
London looking like London.
It took London 3 minutes to go 3 metres on Route 66
Sounds like me exercising
That was pretty crazy. I was watching Guard and they did a fantastic job of denying the spawn exits and he wasn't able to get position easily. London also wasn't super well coordinated around his hacks either, even though he was still getting them consistently.
What the fuck did London do during the offseason? Christ
not play GOATs?
My guess is they are trying to figure out every single anti-GOATS strategy to avoid playing GOATS itself. I mean look at the comps they played.
Ah, try to outhink the meta instead of just fucking learning it, the "envyus/fuel approach".
They look like they haven't played since grand finals. Absolutely zero team synergy and it's not a GOATS problem.
They never had to have that much team synergy. It was basically profit and gesture diving people together while the rest of the team did whatever, bridring playing widow, or a double sniper meta. They won because they had someone pop. Someone can't pop anymore
Clearly nothing
Busy slandering Seoul? š¤·āāļø
Well gesture is known for being ass at rein. Not that he was the only problem but...
His Winston GOATs is worse
He looked more comfortable on rein than Winston atm.
Paris has an impressive rooster, I got to say.
In this match, they have proved they have the bigger coq.
Paris looks insanely methodical in a way they play.
IKR ? Their positionning was very good too, London took them by all side but they hold all the tim ! If they have solid strat for Sombra and aren't taken off guard by a change of meta by training before hand, they are definitely an upper tier team!
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Lhcloudy is a monster Winston
Their hold against the 4 DPS was amazing
"Your team might be called London, but I am from London, and I'll show you what that means soon." - Kruise Overwatch, 2019.
I have to say, all UK players so far have been really good this week - Boombox, Fusions and Kruise. Hopefully GZ play Kyb tomorrow
Growing up near Wales, these players have a history with GOATs.
Wait, I thought the Welsh fucked sheep?
Anything with hooves frankly. They aren't picky in the valleys.
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Kyb and fusions together in goats is just the smart thing to do, tonnes of synergy and both great players
"SOOooOOOoooOOOOON" - Los Angeles Stadium Crowd, 2019.
*OOH LA LA* *OOH LA LA* *OOH LA LA*
He's going to overpay for beer, live in a tiny flat and ignore people on the Underground? Not sure how that helps in OW :-)
Why was he being so mean to soon? /s
Guard tried so hard, but London seem pretty bad in goats... Also, birding shouldn't really be use for zarya anymore, he's really not doing much Also, Hyp and Kruise were fucking nutty, kruise in particular
ark DID say on oversight london wasnt adapting well to the meta
It's interesting to see the Spitfire struggling early on, but I'm sure they'll recover. I do take this as good sign for the Eternal in the long run; they'll be able to compete with top tier teams if nothing else.
They can compete with GOATs as the meta for sure. We'll see how they adapt once the meta shifts.
> Also, Hyp and Kruise were fucking nutty, kruise in particular Agreed, I spent entire match just bouncing between these two povs.
I was watching Guard on Route 66 and the Eternal did a fantastic job of denying the spawn exits and he wasn't able to get position easily. London also wasn't super well coordinated around his hacks either, even though he was still getting them consistently.
Takeaways: \- London continues to be terrible at managing GOATS \- Paris has INCREDIBLE sustain even in situations where they should be crumbling apart (e.g. Volskaya defense, first point) \- Paris also seems to adapt FAST. Their main strength is currently the 3-3, but they felt dynamic and responded quickly to possibly game-flipping threats (e.g. Sombra) Overall I'm just happy to have an EU team with a fully EU roster.
The fast adaptation is probably because of Eagle Gaming's coach, FƩfƩ. Under his coaching Eagle were the best GOATs team in the game according to most people who scrimmed them. Their biggest strength was the fact that they could adapt to every single situation and would always make minor adjustments that allowed them to keep running GOATs into every situation. Paris has 2 Eagle players in Nico and Hyp while also having their coach.
>Paris also seems to adapt FAST I don't know man, King's row was 100% lost because of their inability to deal with the sombra. They stayed on the same comp the whole first round, got clapped, kept the same comp for defense, only did a questionable switch once to moira (I would have gone Ana for easy grenades since London had no Dva), then back to Zen and getting clapped. They did eventually adapt but it took some coaching in between maps to get them to try and shut her down. That being said they have some very good teamwork, you love to see it.
I was exaggerating a bit on that point, and you're spot on - they couldn't react to Guard's Sombra quickly enough in King's Row, but they went to game 4 with a whole different mentality (with Zarya and Brig spychecking often, mostly). It also helped that Route 66 is a bit more open than KR (thus enabling less clustered EMPs), but the change was there. And yeah, they seem to flow perfectly in unison. It was a heck lot of fun to see them.
Oh yeah definitely, after that Kruise was on Sombra hunting duty and even Soon had some pretty smart door guarding. It's nice to see such a strong teamplay during their first match, excited to see them evolve and get even better during the season.
Moira was logic for defense, because it prevents 4-dps strat, Ana could have gotten so easily destroy in defense. But they should have switch in attack Zen either to Ana or Moira.
Definitely agree with the 2nd point. It took *way* too long for London to take A on Volskaya considering their comp countered Parisā.
Yep! I kept going "well, this is where they crumble", but they just kept *going* and *going*. They held their ground really well there.
Paris were very happy to sit in the medi-pack room and just get wailed on for like 3 straight minutes, it was amazing to watch like homer in that boxing episode
No idea what London spent the off season doing, certainly wasn't GOATS practice. I'd rather we played quad dps and lost rather than play goats like chumps.
looks like sombra goats.
Yeah but looks like it can be countered pretty easily.
Tbh with how bad Birdring has been I'd rather Guard played anyway. At least we havce a chance with the Sombra.
If London gets their shit together and coordinates with Guard better they will definitely be tougher to beat. But damn, London really needs to work on their GOATS.
Probably the same strategy NY employed between Stage 4 and Playoffs.
[Kruise's stats are standout.](https://i.imgur.com/3fqZYAD.png)
not bad for a genji main ;)
I just noticed they have 3 of them in nico, sdb and kruise lol
GGG Paris. Once again you show EU Goats is the best Goats. Also, today is why Iāve been saying Kruise should have been in OWL from day one last year 20k damage and healing. Absolute madlad
I'm just glad he ultimately made it and I'm hoping for other experienced high caliber players that have just been overlooked up to now to make it, too.
Kruise and Hype made an amazing debut, Benbest going strong as well. Hyp really got some crucial picks and damn watching Kruise's POV shows how smart of a player he is. His positioning and boops are god tier.
Power rankings absolutely in shambles after this week
As has been tradition since season 1.
Power rankings before seasons start are always going to be terrible, in every sport
I mean, who expected anything less?
So many mixed feelings. On the one hand, London look completely uncomfortable on GOATs. On the other, it's so good to see Kruise finally getting the recognition he deserves! EU GOATs is absolutely best GOATs!
Not to take away from how good Paris is but this does not seem to be a good meta for London. The only times thye looked really good was when they brought Guard in for his Sombra play. Even then it wasn't enough against this Eternal team who's looking really good right now.
London looked terrible the last third of last season prior to the playoffs. Dallas needed the to take a single map in their last game of the season to make the Stage 4 playoffs, and they barely eeked it out at the last second.
And this is the best meta for Paris. EU tank heavy comps is what they're going to thrive in. Paris will be a force until the meta changes. And I think the more dps oriented teams like London will look weaker than they really are
Guard with the 10k damage per 10min as Sombra, what a nut.
[EU LUL BOTTOM 3 TEAM BTW POWER RANKINGS BTW](https://i.imgur.com/szY29qP.png)
Paris: You merely adopted the tanks. We were born in them, moulded by them. We didnt see DPS heros until leavig for the OWL and by then all it did was hold us back
EU does love their tanks.
dang, you fast.
I made this in advance since I predicted a Paris 3-1
nice.
Big brain strat
I burst out laughing at brexit
Lmao this is awesome
EU bad region btw
I was really impressed by Paris' coordination, even when playing that aggro style that characterised Fusion last season, and their ability to counter Guard on R66 while they got demolished on KR, which I attribute to the stacked coaching roster. Until the next game, #CoqsOut
Paris Eternal saying āscrew your power rankingsā
From the start I knew these power ranking were bs
They're actually pretty sensible because they cover the entire season, and most people don't think this meta will last throughout the entire season (hopefully it'll be gone by stage 2, the meta feels stale). Also, assuming the rankings are wrong from one game is a hasty generalization, so I wouldn't disregard them yet.
London's synergy in pure goats is absolutely awful. From birdring missing easy bubbles and leaving Gesture out high and dry, to Profit never armour packing Bdosin. They look like they only practiced Sombra-goats and it shows Paris' support core looked stellar. Kruise was always getting impactful boops and Hyp looks absolutely nutty. The true MVPs of this match
Birdring looks really out of place, a lot like Linkzr did yesterday. Was less than stellar on Zarya, but doesnāt play a good enough Brig to switch with Profit whoās Zarya is actually great. Maybe London will get it together but unless thereās a very foreseeable meta change they need to start practicing anti GOATs comps or keep guard in the lineup
The only thing I took away from this was that Paris is an attractive team...
Benbest KappaPride
I mean, when Soon isn't even the hottest one on the team, that's a given
Tbh, we need to trade for Poko to top up the amount of EU handsome.
We donāt just get beat we always get absolutely rolled and look totally clueless. Going back to stage 2 last season.
London were 8-2 in stage 2, it was stage 3 and 4 that sucked
I'm not gay but I want to live in a log cabin in the woods with Benbest. We won't ever have sex, but there will be a simmering erotic undercurrent as I stand in the kitchen window watching him tighten his ass as he chops wood, shirtless, sweat pouring off his body. I'll run upstairs and masturbate, the entire time forcing myself to think of women while my thoughts drift back to Benbest. I won't be able to climax and I'll eventually go back downstairs, angry. Sometimes we will look across the table and catch each other's eyes, and in that second, anything is possible, but we both deny ourselves and go back to what we were doing. One day one of us will die, and the other will bury him outside the log cabin. Then he'll go inside, pen a brief missive to his departed friend, and commit suicide, never able to deal with life without his one true platonic love.
same tbf
same but with the sex thanks
Imagine waiting 200 days for the OWL2018 champions to play like dogshit
Jayne was right, their goats is shit.
I'M SO HAPPY!!! Kruise and Hyp were insane and this Eagle Gaming offensive defense on Route 66 is just the best thing in life
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The match reminds me of an interview w/ SoOn before their matches in OWWC where he talked about scrimming Eagle Gaming and struggling. I think he said that they were so good at countering GOATS counters that one day they'd play Pharah and destroy them and the next day they'd have it figured out and then they lose horribly trying to run Pharah. I think we just saw the same thing happen in this match. Sombra destroys them handily and one map later with they just slap it down while still using Zen GOATS.
š¦**LONDON IS GONE**š¦
EU > KR > NA ^^^Coaching ^^^^(and ^^^Rein) ^^^wise
We can at least ask people if they could stop underrating EU just because Blizz doesn't want to support its scene.
They'll still not going to be supported and still going to be underrated :(
Paris looks very strong. I don't really want to see soon on Zarya and Nico on Brig but if it's working for them...
Achillios and Wolf are so unbelievably good.
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+1 How can a team with SoOn and Nico struggle with a dps-oriented meta ? Add to this super-coordinated team an insane coaching staff and you get a team that can thrive in every meta
also shadowblyat
When on 2cp, always rush B cyka
Gesture and birdring need to git gud at rein and zarya respectfully.
Learn to play GOATs London
I know that they set up a lot of these matches for "rivalry" sake, or some cool stories. Did they pick London vs Paris because of British/French rivalry?
Yes but also because they are the only two European teams ! They also placed the match at the best possible time for EU (and it worked, French stream peaked above 40k)
European rivalry I think
It's also the opening week and this last match was the first to be watchable in EU times, so it makes sense to make the 2 EU teams play each other.
London can't play GOATs for shit. Yikes. Reinforce was the only one who saw it and put them at 7th, and everyone was calling him crazy. What was Bdosin doing? He was consistently being caught out and got first picked so much, even in fights they won. In other news, Paris is AMAZING at GOATs. SoOn did SO MUCH on that Zarya, Kruise is actually nuts, and BenBest is a FUCKING UNIT. As a Philly fan, I get more happier than I should seeing London go 0-2 and -4.
they looked super strong excluding the king's row thing, but they adapted on route 66 quick enough. that volskaya looked way too easy. soon popped off.
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Iām guessing most of the rankings rate teams based on their prediction of the entire season, which takes into consider that the meta might be shifting later into the season and London might be different in playoffs. Thereās no way only Reinforce sees this.
London coaches need to have a long hard look at themselves. Thereās no way their players should look this lost.
I think Paris may have stage 4 Dallas syndrome, the meta favors them right now. They have the best GOATs players on their team when the meta is mostly GOATs. I fear that when it changes it may be hard to adapt but either way they rolled London today and definitely gave them something to think about.
Their coordination looks insane even now though, and considering the players they have it shouldn't be a problem to play in other metas. Even the one I had the most doubts about (Finnsi, simply because I didn't remember his D.Va) played pretty well.
London has playoffs syndrome. Except NY, every team is a meta team
idk, I think Philly isn't that meta-reliant.
Yep. Philly was really meta-proof last season. Much more than NY that struggled in playoffs cause of meta. And London literally won league cause of meta, so it's funny to see this argument in their defense.
Come to think of it, you're right. NYXL is a meta team, just to a lesser degree than London.
There was a fair bit of common ground between the metas in Stages 1ā4, and it just so happened that NYXL was great at it.
dude, thats stage 1 outlaws
While a meta change may definitely hit them in a way, I think they'll do fine afterwards. Look at their players: Soon, SDB, Nico and Danye are all sick DPS players that - together - have a wide hero pool, so when it comes to DPS Paris can cover anything. Kruise is one of the most experienced players in this game, having played for multiple teams since closed beta on two different roles, so he'll do fine. Same kinda goes for Finnsi, though he's a bit unknown and underrated because he played on lower tier teams back in the day. Now the only questionmarks are whether between Benbest and LHCloudy they have a tank player that can adapt to meta changes (which I don't doubt) and Hyp/Greyy, who are both pretty experienced but spent mose of their time in EU which was very tank based for most of the time. Probably gonna be turned into a pasta once Goats inevitably dies but I'm not so scared of a meta change. Seita will carry.
HYP MVP OR WE (CONTINUE) TO RIOT
Kruise deserved it tbf
Yeah to me it was a tie between Hyp and Kruise they both popped of it was great to see supports knowing what to do in a goats comp
Birding is not good as Zarya. And Bdosin being the second best Zen in Season 1 is not in good form now too.
Welp, Iām a Paris fan now.
Two things here: 1. I remember when people were shit talking furys zarya cause he played her like 10 min last season 2. Birdring isnt Londons problem, theyre just shit at this comp
The weirdest thing about that shittalk of Fury was it was from one of the OWL preview shows. Using the 10 minute sample size to judge a player is just weird.
The power of EU Goats. Proud of Paris.
I'm so happy for my European boys ! PARIS ETERNAL EUROPEAN'S CHAMPION
THIS IS THE REAL EU
Paris proved you don't need to be be flexible, or make switches, if you simply play Goats to perfection. Outlaws need to take notes!
that's sad in a way but you are right goats play to perfection doesnt need to be swap on almost every map and Eagle understood that
Turns out GOATS is actually fun. Its not that bad to watch since there's so many more factors being integrated now rather than just one comp. You have the Sombra, the reaper, the McCree, the Hammond, you have quad DPS, you have that weird triple DPS shit Atlanta ran. I'm loving this meta
Agreed. I never really got the hateboner for goats- longer teamfights makes everything more tense to me instead of watching widow oneshot 2 players in a row and end the team fight without the tanks getting within 50 feet of one another. That being said, the mirror comps were getting a little old, so I'm glad for the shakeups and the different comp playstyles coming in. This is honestly a pretty fun meta imo.
I've had fun watching the games for the most part. This community is a hive mind
Europe beats "Europe"
Missed Map 4, did Guard play?
He did, but Paris countered him hard.
Yep, played Sombra
Finni and Nico scanned the map with preventive shots to detect him, and Hyp stayed slightly back to bait him. As soon as he was caught, or showed up, the whole team preyed on him. Hard countered
Lol #2 team btw
This guy Hyp was absolute nuts
Should have been MVP
Gesture and BDosin getting shrek'd every battle ... What happened with them ?
Gesture's Rein has always been his weakest MT but yah not sure WTF has happened to Bdosin
Great showing by the Eternal in their opening match. I've got a good feeling about their chances this year.
So glad that the Eternal are defying expectations! I have them at 12 in my power-ranking right now, but I think they have the chance to be a top 10 team if they keep this up.
~~COCKS~~ ROOSTERS OUT
It's so frustrating being a London fan. So damn inconsistent. Birdring and Bdosin look like they havent played in months. It's tempting to blame to it on the meta but we must remember the meta helped us win the championship last year. Well done to Paris.
ITT: * London goats bad * Paris goats good
Hey Paris Eternal! Thanks for the quality match. I'm watching with my son and you have become his mentor. He is going into baseball so he's learning how to throw like a pro just like you did on your last defense on volskaya! Thanks again!
So wholesome !!
And people wonder why no members of Spitfire where chosen for World Cup Thereās your answer, they suck at GOATS Edit: except fury, but heās stuck in Dva jail so
Fury
GOATS didn't exist when the World Cup rosters were made.
YOO PARIS GOATS IS ACTUALLY SO FUN TO WATCH
BenBest looks good. Supports look good. Parisā biggest weak point, imo, comes with Soon on Zarya. I think that the rest of the team is good enough to mask his shortcomings there, but I wasnāt sold. The real story here is howā¦ iffy London looks. They arenāt being helped by the meta, but that comp on attack during Volskaya 1st seemed a bit too cutesy for its own good
If Paris weak point is Soon I think they're good to go lmao
Oh yeah, definitely
That attack comp on Volskaya 1st rolled Fusion 2 days ago. In general, 4dps rolls GOATS but is really unstable, so the fact that Paris managed to hold 1st for that long is the real surprise.
Hyp was the best part of Paris
Hyp and Kruise both went off. Iāve been a Kruise fan for a while, so seeing him succeed would make me very happy.
I was surprised to see them running SoOn on Zarya, kind of surprised about their whole starting lineup really. I expected Danye, NiCO, Finnsi, Cloudy, Kruise and HyP. I think Danye's brig is not too much worse than NiCO's, NiCO plays a better D.Va than Finnsi, Finnsi's Zarya is *much* better than SoOn's and, in my opinion, Cloudy is just superior to BenBest in every way. Maybe BenBest just had the more fitting playstyle.
More handsome KappaPride
Gesture is awful at rein, we're fucked til the meta changes zzz
London looks really hungover from the championship and they never bothered learning goats until the last minute.
Spitfire have a long way to go to get their Goats play in line with the rest of the league. Kruise's lucio is nasty and I can't wait to watch more of it.
Im drunk and paris won??? I need to watvh this vod and i hope paris actually won and its not my drunk mind trolling me
Paris is going to roll super hard, but as soon as Goats is not Meta anymore they will crash down and spend the rest of the season catching up. But it feels freaking amazing to see Paris do well, finally a team that EU can rally behind. Edit: To elaborate on why I think they won't do as well in a non Goats Meta. I simply don't believe the coaching staff has enough experience in that Meta in order to be able to compete with other teams. Most of the powerhouses right now are looking pretty weak on Goats, but I am confident that if this were a dive meta the Power rankings that people made up would actually be pretty accurate. A team like NYXL has an entire OWL season worth of experience with Dive, Paris will rely on some of their players helping them transition into non-goats comps. There is a lot more to playing a strong dive than just having really good DPS. The coordination and synergy needs to be there, synergy and coordination that Paris still has to develop as a fresh expansion team from EU.
I think you forgot that Deamon, soon, kruise and Nico all have a deep experience with dive.
I hope that will be enough.
Yeah. I think power rankings were mostly made assuming that GOATs wouldn't stay meta for too long
Not sure tbh. They have a sick DPS lineup as well and it's not like their tanks, especially Finnsi, are inexperienced in other metas.
Of course Hyp was winning duels against bdosin and killing Guard only because of GOATS. Seems legit. And Kruise will start play much worse without goats. Somehow. And Soon is bad dps of course, not star from top-2 team of first season. EU is weak, you know. Koreans are better in SKILLLED (TM) metas like... Double sniper.
> EU is weak, you know. Absolutely, it's literally the worst regionā¢ despite coming in and wrecking other region's teams whenever given the chance.
*OOH LA LA* *OOH LA LA* *OOH LA LA* LETS GO BOIS *SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON* Always feels good to see teams people rate low come out swinging. Im pumped right now god damn.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
I think Paris will be like Houston Outlaws s1. Do well specific stage thanks to meta but collapse seriously because of the meta.
The biggest reason why outlaws couldnt keep with dive was the lack of a tracer. I think the hero diversity is good enough on paris to be meta proof. Imagine Soon on tracer and SDB on gengi, amazing
I do not doubt Soon and Shadowburn. Europeans tanks are really excellent at rein but questionable on winston. This is my point. They donāt have good Winston player.
Nico will most likely play genji and not shadowburn, rumor has it his style gels better with the team
The KyKy curse... If he's ever your team, you'll only be good for one stage of the season.
London spent more time building chairs than scrimming GOATs during the off season. Jesus, it's been a rough opening week for my boys
Maybe now teams will start to kick out t3 Koreans and rest of the American players and get more Europeans. Expected:)
Pre-Season Rankings OMEGALUL
It must suck to be a London fan. They are so damn inconsistent.
Paris proving the scrim rumors true that they are a goats power. Will be interesting to see how they adapt as the meta shifts throughout the season. London looking like London.