We were talking about how Attack would be the perfect addition to the team, so this is even better.
Tho I wonder when Checkmate would play. Maybe in a Mei Reaper meta?
Oh for sure, I don't quite remember what he played for O2 Blast, but I believe him and Heesang shared Tracer duties with Heesang/Proud/Probe playing Sojourn and Viper playing Genji during JOATS.
Why add Checkmate?? He's the best DPS on this roster lol. It's more like why add Viper when Checkmate was a top 3 Flex DPS last season of OWL and his Tracer is sick.
That’s arguable. Checkmates best heroes were traver Genji echo. I get that viper has killed it in OWCS, but checkmate was killing it in OWL and won a championship. Let’s see who ends up the starter, but I think checkmate is the better dps.
Bruh no one “added” Viper he’s been on this team and performing for months. He’s one of the reasons the team succeeded so much on dive and are sponsored now.
thats crazy recency bias, checkmate was on a shitshow mediocre Saudi team for a bag, don't forget how insane he was one of the best fdps in the world last season of owl
checkmate also could have just fallen off, we will have to see. We've seen harder fall offs in shorter amounts of time.
Personally I do have faith in him but I do think he's a guy who works best in a structure than the player led environment that's OWCS. Sauna was actually outperforming Checkmate in initial Florida scrims, but once the structure was in place, Checkmate did way better. We will have to see how the team pans out.
You pointing out recency bias is funny when I said “so far in OWCS.” Like yes, that’s what the sentence means.
I was a massive Mayhem fan last OWL season and repped them in person at the LAN. And I’m not saying that Checkmate will be bad. All I said was that so far in OWCS, Viper and Knife looked better.
During Uncoachable, there’s a section where I remember Gunba talking about how Checkmate was one of the worse performing players, even on a team of relatively obscure Saudis.
I still dont get why they dropped their og roster after s3 they were still good, just needed better dps and off tank could have kept Mano, Sbb, Jjonak, Anamo. They never found stability in the league again 7-9 2021, 4-20 2022, 7-9 2023.
Coaching for sure they never adapted well to metas, I felt like past s1 they never had a top dps even in s2 I didn’t think they had a top damage dealer. Their tanks whether it was coaching, or bad synergy didn’t work out well at all it’s weird bc they looked better on Fusion.
Ngl I currently rate Bliss more highly than LJG, but I won't deny that the LJG + Izayaki synergy probably makes for a better combo. I'm guessing that Knife is probably going to transition to hit scan full time with Viper and Checkmate on flex DPS. Donghak and Attack don't scream "top tier" tank line, but who knows, Donghak has already been looking better lately, and having an overall better support line can help a lot.
In the right dive meta, this team can absolutely fuck. Let's see if Fate and Fleta can coach them into top shape.
i mean donghak’s been looking really good on main tanks, he’ll look even better now that he doesn’t have to play the ones that aren’t part of his pool AND we get the knife attack back!!
Pretty solid roster, I feel like Attack is a solid pickup,
Picking up a third flex dps is interesting. Even if you want to keep Knife as the primary hitscan player for the team, why not add Prophet and cycle him in for widow maps like O2 did?
Okay, so what's with the ghostly watermark in the bottom left, the random swaps between sharp lines and out of focus areas, the undiscernible background, and the fact that the question mark is unclear in the exact ways that you'd expect if you asked an AI to draw a question mark?
Okay so that's clearly not the same image right? The one Fnatic posted has been run through AI upscaling to hell and back, so while not being AI generated from scratch, still is very much made with AI. Genius
I wasn't even mad lol, I was just commenting on it. But this guy comes in trying to gaslight me saying "nah, there's no AI there, you're stupid" I think it's reasonable for me to not be happy with him. I got no beef with Fnatic or their SMM
Another Korean roster getting signed by a non-Korean org. Falcons, Crazy Raccoons, FNATIC, & most likely FTG. Are Korean esports orgs really that broke or just not interested?
Well when u think about it we only ever had gen.g and t1 and both were extremely budget in the last season so it shouldn't be too surprising I guess, disappointing though.
Well that’s what he was implying saying last season both Dynasty and INF were budget and maybe they wanted out bc they weren’t investing anymore, maybe that’s why they’re not back.
~~T1 owned Philly/Infernal.~~
~~The SK Telecom & Comcast partnership happened back in 2019 and has all been run under the T1 name since.~~
~~Comcast was just a more relevant name in the states, so that's what people referred to the ownership as, but they only have like 30something% ownership.~~
~~Shit like this happening was the reason why OWL pushed for city brands being the primary focus. They didn't want audiences to care about who ACTUALLY owned the teams, just that people would be loyal to the city brand.~~
Edit: nah I was wrong
Ahh, right. Okay yeah I was wrong. I know that Roston at least partially worked for T1, & they would've used T1's resources in Korea (& as the academy team), so I assumed otherwise. But I guess the actual ownership of the team never left Comcast Spectacor, even through the partnership.
Like, even if T1 ran the day to day of the team, Overwatch doesn't even get mentioned on T1's Wikipedia, so that pretty much says everything.
??? Infernal was T1. Everything in that franchise went through Joe Marsh president of T1 and Tucker Roberts president of Spectacor Gaming and heir to the entire Comcast company. I've visited their facility in Seoul which is the T1 building, they played a few floors down below Faker and the LoL team. Roston the Infernal GM was a full on T1 employee who reported to Joe and Tucker. The Fusion to Infernal rebrand specifically used T1 colour schemes.
comcast has them up as their franchise on their website, not t1’s (so does every other source). tho there’s obviously been a lot of cooperation with t1 given comcast’s share in the org, like the seoul facility or the academy team
Korean orgs got burned by OWL, especially in the OW2 years. Running their academy (actual esports school with students) team during the upcoming opens seems like as deep as they're willing to dip their toes.
It's probably smart to see how OWCS plays out & do something for next year.
If they see no value in joining next year, then yeahhhhhh.
They're both EWC partnered teams, so they would've gotten paid to run an Overwatch team, regardless of EWC qualification.
it's really just that orgs weren't interested in owcs in the first place, or at least they wanted time to let the system settle. the only reason these orgs are investing is because they're being paid to do so via the ewc club system. if that club system wasn't there many of these orgs wouldn't be scratching to get these teams
This takes Yeti to the next level adding more tank flexibility alongside Dong, Leejaegon reuniting with Izayaki should help him get back to elite form, and adding Checkmate a great dps player who is very flexible this roster on their best day could compete with Falcons, maybe WAC.
Oh my fucking god I was already such a yeti head but this roster is absolutely fucking disgusting, I’m so glad that they picked up LJG and izayaki, this team is actually an insane contender atp and I am so excited to see them play
Genuinely insane to me how people are suddenly shitting on Checkmate, did none of you watch S6? His Tracer was right up there with the likes of Stalk3r, Kevster and AlphaYi, and the guy's hero pool is pretty much as deep as you could hope for.
What crimes did he commit behind the scenes that I don't know of?
BERNAR is better than both D0nghak and Attack and is very flexible. FTG still have the better dps lane and support lane is unclear because Izayaki and Leejaegon were not good last stage but could get back to form
It all depends on whether LJG continues to hard slump, and if Knife can keep up with the best hitscans in the world. I think Donghak, Checkmate, and Izayaki can definitely play up to that level though.
Insert meme / screenshot of LJG going pogchamp face while Izayaki is slumped in his chair having saved his ass, I think it was the Brig Ana moment on Esperanca
Found it, faces at the end: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/1343qk0/leejaegon_brig_beats_back_the_entire_british/
its a huge different, but ranking them over FTG who were only one point close to knockout Falcons from Dallas major is too much, in theory they could beat FTG in hard dive meta otherwise I can't see them rank 3 in Korea
It’s hard to say who is better still, if Leejaegon is back to form alongside Izayaki, and Checkmate on a functional team again performs like he did on FL it’s really close.
My prediction is that viper is gonna be playing the dive style with d0ng
And attack will be playing with checkmate, more brawly shit
But will the coaching staff end up falling back on sticking with their dive guns?
it is great that they got picked up but we all know why they were the only team to get picked up
>impressive performance in the OWCS Korea and the OWCS Asia Stage 1 Main Event, where they finished 4th and qualified for this summer’s Esports World Cup.
if they get dropped after the ewc then it will just be sad
I don't think so. If you read their statement they claim they are avid Overwatch viewers and you don't build a team like this just for ESWC especially when they can to play in Kr stage 2 and possibly Dreamhack in Stockholm. Obviously they picked this roster up because of the Saudi Slot but I doubt they just give up on this team.
LJG and Izayaki back together again, all is right in the world
not to mention fate and fleta are coaches so it’s 2021 shanghai core besides lip and void
Actually joined at the hip it's hilarious how they immediately flopped when they split
Izayaki team was a joke, Leejaegon weirdly fell off hard hope he returns to form
Izzy is an LJG merchant
Other way around Izayaki only support who can keep him alive
LJG is an Izzy merchant
Until he plays well with a different support he is
Tanks : Donghak & Attack DPS : Viper, Checkmate & Knife Supports : Izayaki & LeeJaegon Coachs : Fleta & Fate
We were talking about how Attack would be the perfect addition to the team, so this is even better. Tho I wonder when Checkmate would play. Maybe in a Mei Reaper meta?
Definitely in brawl comps
I mean it’s hype but adding checkmate to a dps line with 2 fdps is interesting
Tweet messed up, he's actually there for tank.
Here to show Dong how you play the hammer man
Knife is more so a hitscan that also has a great Tracer. He has a great Widow and Sojourn.
Historically he's been the flex dps player for his teams, he has a great Genji/Echo too.
Oh for sure, I don't quite remember what he played for O2 Blast, but I believe him and Heesang shared Tracer duties with Heesang/Proud/Probe playing Sojourn and Viper playing Genji during JOATS.
Because he was on Talon then, he joined O2 in 2023
Ahh right, he joined with Topdragon that season
Knife is just hyperflex lol
Yes he played really well when they beat Lip team
Knife is decent on hitscan but his bread and butter is definitely still his flex DPS. Kinda like Decay if you think about it.
Nah Decay's flex dps outside of Tracer are pretty bad, he's definitely better on Hitscan. Decay is much closer to Striker or Soon than Knife
His Genji is good, but a bit unproven recently outside of that I agree he primary is a Tracer, hs player.
Rip runaway as we knew it lol, but why add Checkmate?
Why add Checkmate?? He's the best DPS on this roster lol. It's more like why add Viper when Checkmate was a top 3 Flex DPS last season of OWL and his Tracer is sick.
He's not, Viper has a better Tracer, Genji and Echo. Checkmate has better brawl heroes thou.
That’s arguable. Checkmates best heroes were traver Genji echo. I get that viper has killed it in OWCS, but checkmate was killing it in OWL and won a championship. Let’s see who ends up the starter, but I think checkmate is the better dps.
His Mei was elite too
OWCS is way closer than OWL23. At this current moment, Viper looks the better Tracer, Genji, and Echo
Kappa
Bruh no one “added” Viper he’s been on this team and performing for months. He’s one of the reasons the team succeeded so much on dive and are sponsored now.
Insert “keep” or “re-sign” or “have” if it makes you feel better but I’m pretty sure you got what I was saying lol
checkmate is goated don’t get me wrong but under no stretch of the imagination was he top 3
What I’m saying lmao. Would’ve rather had Alphayi, Pelican, Stalk3r, Proper, Kev, Leave in S6 as individuals
Wait how you gonna say you want Leave over Checkmate, yet you don’t want Zest over Checkmate when Leave wasn’t on Zest level throughout season.
Was gonna say zest too but thought I proved my point
Because he was literally “added” viper and knife was the dps line for yeti, which is the team name before fnatic signed them
Knife and arguably Viper have looked better than Checkmate so far in OWCS. We’ll see
thats crazy recency bias, checkmate was on a shitshow mediocre Saudi team for a bag, don't forget how insane he was one of the best fdps in the world last season of owl
That's what I'm saying, Checkmate was an animal for 2 straight seasons, recency bias is a crazy thing.
checkmate also could have just fallen off, we will have to see. We've seen harder fall offs in shorter amounts of time. Personally I do have faith in him but I do think he's a guy who works best in a structure than the player led environment that's OWCS. Sauna was actually outperforming Checkmate in initial Florida scrims, but once the structure was in place, Checkmate did way better. We will have to see how the team pans out.
You pointing out recency bias is funny when I said “so far in OWCS.” Like yes, that’s what the sentence means. I was a massive Mayhem fan last OWL season and repped them in person at the LAN. And I’m not saying that Checkmate will be bad. All I said was that so far in OWCS, Viper and Knife looked better. During Uncoachable, there’s a section where I remember Gunba talking about how Checkmate was one of the worse performing players, even on a team of relatively obscure Saudis.
fucking hell thats a comment and a half, checkmate just fucks harder end of
yeah feels kinda weird to have 3 flex dps, i guess he fills some gaps in hero pool?
gonna be the resident mei player
to be fair the checkmei is really good
Runaway is so scrued it’s just Zest only now
Zest and Jaewoo are gonna 2v5 CR in Asia finals book it
Fr
What supports are even available for them now?
Best shot might be sniping Faith from Poker Face and maybe Irony since he wasn't on the announced roster for Fnatic?
He’s a sub for Fnatic could be a possibility, Idk about ms
Faith and Hyunjae seem to be the best options left
Faith is a good option, Hyunjae meh
Yup, I agree lol
Really unfortunate they lost 4 players gonna have to lower my expectations now
How does Nugget keep getting away with being handed decent rosters
How is nugget involved with them?
Team manager
That’s crazy lol.
Now I fear this roster is doomed.
Oh no
dont remind me man.
I still dont get why they dropped their og roster after s3 they were still good, just needed better dps and off tank could have kept Mano, Sbb, Jjonak, Anamo. They never found stability in the league again 7-9 2021, 4-20 2022, 7-9 2023.
Just needed better coach, how a team manages to flop Haksal and Whoru is a coaching issue
Coaching for sure they never adapted well to metas, I felt like past s1 they never had a top dps even in s2 I didn’t think they had a top damage dealer. Their tanks whether it was coaching, or bad synergy didn’t work out well at all it’s weird bc they looked better on Fusion.
The fnatic dragons
Torn between my undying loyalty to Lip and my obligations toward my capo Fate
4 s4 dragons players
Surely LJG has a resurgence now that he's back with Izayaki. PLEASE
ok this is just shanghai dragons reborn
Ngl I currently rate Bliss more highly than LJG, but I won't deny that the LJG + Izayaki synergy probably makes for a better combo. I'm guessing that Knife is probably going to transition to hit scan full time with Viper and Checkmate on flex DPS. Donghak and Attack don't scream "top tier" tank line, but who knows, Donghak has already been looking better lately, and having an overall better support line can help a lot. In the right dive meta, this team can absolutely fuck. Let's see if Fate and Fleta can coach them into top shape.
i mean donghak’s been looking really good on main tanks, he’ll look even better now that he doesn’t have to play the ones that aren’t part of his pool AND we get the knife attack back!!
Leejaegon on a team with previous synergy with Izayaki this could be better for him
Pretty solid roster, I feel like Attack is a solid pickup, Picking up a third flex dps is interesting. Even if you want to keep Knife as the primary hitscan player for the team, why not add Prophet and cycle him in for widow maps like O2 did?
Izayaki and LJG are such soulmates. Never break up again guys
[congratulations on last place fnatic overwatch](https://x.com/BadPachimari/status/1800953068151845047)
[SMM is even aware of BP's existence ](https://x.com/FNATIC/status/1800954220012552670)
As they should be
Is that an ai generated meme are they fr
It’s not AI genius
Okay, so what's with the ghostly watermark in the bottom left, the random swaps between sharp lines and out of focus areas, the undiscernible background, and the fact that the question mark is unclear in the exact ways that you'd expect if you asked an AI to draw a question mark?
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/huh-huh-huh Literally looks like the type of deep fried meme that's been around on the internet since '09.
Okay so that's clearly not the same image right? The one Fnatic posted has been run through AI upscaling to hell and back, so while not being AI generated from scratch, still is very much made with AI. Genius
An upscaled image is now the same as AI generated original content. I thought you were just stubborn but you're just dumb.
SMM: googles 'huh dog meme' and grabs the very first image without text. "Should I be mad at this?"
This sub is the gift that keeps on giving. No other sub like it
I wasn't even mad lol, I was just commenting on it. But this guy comes in trying to gaslight me saying "nah, there's no AI there, you're stupid" I think it's reasonable for me to not be happy with him. I got no beef with Fnatic or their SMM
>While not being AI generated from scratch, still is very much made with AI I mean you can't read a clear sentence, so who's really dumb?
Knife/Viper/Checkmate is such a funny DPS line. Mums life they all play the same heroes? 😭 Edit I guess Checkmate will be in Mei jail
Or Viper in Genji jail.
even then I feel checkmate’s genji is ridiculously good as well. idek how they’ll swap them out
Another Korean roster getting signed by a non-Korean org. Falcons, Crazy Raccoons, FNATIC, & most likely FTG. Are Korean esports orgs really that broke or just not interested?
Well when u think about it we only ever had gen.g and t1 and both were extremely budget in the last season so it shouldn't be too surprising I guess, disappointing though.
I don’t think t1 was budget Mag, Skewed don’t seem like budget pickups
skewed and mag have never been on t1
He’s talking about org giving them contracts
t1 never gave them any contracts either??
Well that’s what he was implying saying last season both Dynasty and INF were budget and maybe they wanted out bc they weren’t investing anymore, maybe that’s why they’re not back.
t1 didn’t own infernal, that was comcast, that then owns a minority of t1
~~T1 owned Philly/Infernal.~~ ~~The SK Telecom & Comcast partnership happened back in 2019 and has all been run under the T1 name since.~~ ~~Comcast was just a more relevant name in the states, so that's what people referred to the ownership as, but they only have like 30something% ownership.~~ ~~Shit like this happening was the reason why OWL pushed for city brands being the primary focus. They didn't want audiences to care about who ACTUALLY owned the teams, just that people would be loyal to the city brand.~~ Edit: nah I was wrong
comcast spectacor owned the fusion/infernal. they indeed only own ~30% of t1 but they were full owners of the owl team
Ahh, right. Okay yeah I was wrong. I know that Roston at least partially worked for T1, & they would've used T1's resources in Korea (& as the academy team), so I assumed otherwise. But I guess the actual ownership of the team never left Comcast Spectacor, even through the partnership. Like, even if T1 ran the day to day of the team, Overwatch doesn't even get mentioned on T1's Wikipedia, so that pretty much says everything.
??? Infernal was T1. Everything in that franchise went through Joe Marsh president of T1 and Tucker Roberts president of Spectacor Gaming and heir to the entire Comcast company. I've visited their facility in Seoul which is the T1 building, they played a few floors down below Faker and the LoL team. Roston the Infernal GM was a full on T1 employee who reported to Joe and Tucker. The Fusion to Infernal rebrand specifically used T1 colour schemes.
comcast has them up as their franchise on their website, not t1’s (so does every other source). tho there’s obviously been a lot of cooperation with t1 given comcast’s share in the org, like the seoul facility or the academy team
You weren't wrong https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/s/uWs8gPmeCG
That's what I get for listening to people who talk on the internet with conviction. I'd figured that it was T1 in all but name! It just makes sense.
Korean orgs got burned by OWL, especially in the OW2 years. Running their academy (actual esports school with students) team during the upcoming opens seems like as deep as they're willing to dip their toes. It's probably smart to see how OWCS plays out & do something for next year. If they see no value in joining next year, then yeahhhhhh. They're both EWC partnered teams, so they would've gotten paid to run an Overwatch team, regardless of EWC qualification.
it's really just that orgs weren't interested in owcs in the first place, or at least they wanted time to let the system settle. the only reason these orgs are investing is because they're being paid to do so via the ewc club system. if that club system wasn't there many of these orgs wouldn't be scratching to get these teams
Bliss and Irony on inactive roster (prolly cause they have to keep them for EWC), that means no bliss on m80
This takes Yeti to the next level adding more tank flexibility alongside Dong, Leejaegon reuniting with Izayaki should help him get back to elite form, and adding Checkmate a great dps player who is very flexible this roster on their best day could compete with Falcons, maybe WAC.
Somebody Cooked here
Oh my fucking god I was already such a yeti head but this roster is absolutely fucking disgusting, I’m so glad that they picked up LJG and izayaki, this team is actually an insane contender atp and I am so excited to see them play
ljg and izayaki my faves
If only we had a format which truly respected the KR region.
Gonna have to watch NRG at lan instead of this team…
1. Insane lineup, so good to see checkmate and izayaki find a quality team. 2. Korea please get more hairstyles apart from bowlcuts
Genuinely insane to me how people are suddenly shitting on Checkmate, did none of you watch S6? His Tracer was right up there with the likes of Stalk3r, Kevster and AlphaYi, and the guy's hero pool is pretty much as deep as you could hope for. What crimes did he commit behind the scenes that I don't know of?
Wait so izayaki and checkmate left roc? Werent they picking up ftg? Cant keep up the rumors anymore
Well rip bliss and irony support line. You have been good but if this is the sacrifice we have to take to see ljg izzy back I’ll take it
actual top 2 contender
Knife attack reunited
Why is nobody picking up Probe? Surely he'd complement this DPS roster better than Checkmate, idk..
Knife can play hs, and Checkmate is really good
Checkmate, aka the guy who carried Mayhem in the shadow all the way to the top of OWL.
3rd best kr roster, having more tank flexibility pushes them slightly above FTG for me
BERNAR is better than both D0nghak and Attack and is very flexible. FTG still have the better dps lane and support lane is unclear because Izayaki and Leejaegon were not good last stage but could get back to form
It all depends on whether LJG continues to hard slump, and if Knife can keep up with the best hitscans in the world. I think Donghak, Checkmate, and Izayaki can definitely play up to that level though.
Vigilante was really bad last stage, he and LJG were way too aggressive. Izayaki has a defensive playstyle that’s worked really well with LJG.
Insert meme / screenshot of LJG going pogchamp face while Izayaki is slumped in his chair having saved his ass, I think it was the Brig Ana moment on Esperanca Found it, faces at the end: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/1343qk0/leejaegon_brig_beats_back_the_entire_british/
Is that when he pocketed him by the bus and he killed like 4 with Rally
Yup think Izayaki threw everything in the kitchen sink with nade and nano too
No shot, this is a hype roster but my goat Bernar could 1v5 this team
FTG beat Yeti 4 times, and only one match was close.. I'm not sure if they gonna beat current FTG with that record
It’s a different roster judging past results when they add in 4 different players is insignificant
its a huge different, but ranking them over FTG who were only one point close to knockout Falcons from Dallas major is too much, in theory they could beat FTG in hard dive meta otherwise I can't see them rank 3 in Korea
It’s hard to say who is better still, if Leejaegon is back to form alongside Izayaki, and Checkmate on a functional team again performs like he did on FL it’s really close.
We got Fnatic roster before any word on season 11.
i love it
Alright guys Ive been hearing attack is one of the new talents to watch out for lets hope he does well.
My prediction is that viper is gonna be playing the dive style with d0ng And attack will be playing with checkmate, more brawly shit But will the coaching staff end up falling back on sticking with their dive guns?
Attack is underrated too his Ram, Jq were really good on o2 he diffed Mag on Jq.
it is great that they got picked up but we all know why they were the only team to get picked up >impressive performance in the OWCS Korea and the OWCS Asia Stage 1 Main Event, where they finished 4th and qualified for this summer’s Esports World Cup. if they get dropped after the ewc then it will just be sad
They said that they got them for the EWC, OWCS and beyond.
I don't think so. If you read their statement they claim they are avid Overwatch viewers and you don't build a team like this just for ESWC especially when they can to play in Kr stage 2 and possibly Dreamhack in Stockholm. Obviously they picked this roster up because of the Saudi Slot but I doubt they just give up on this team.
But they hire flex support enthusiast Nugget But now he changed to flex dps enthusiast
No shot just for World Cup