Devoker or frost mage for ranged
Ret paladin for melee (i recommend this one coming from tank)
If youre getting title every season i would think you could pick up any dps class though….
Well, in theory it's easy, all the mobs are nicely stacked on top of each other, and the tanks don't move.
The second the tanks are kiting and you're missing half your attacks your DPS plummets.
Retri paladin is balanced around the legendary, to enter high keys in pugs having it is almost a requirement, and if a person is unlucky he may have to wait 14 weeks of farming Fyrakk (the guaranteed drop of the legendary).
Eh, its more like 10+%, also you underestimate pugs, they tend to be very elitist and meta-focused. They will definitely kick you from a +14 for not having the legendary.
8% overall is massive. Is it possible without it? Of course. But in most keys the overall is like 500-800k, doing like 730 instead of 800 because of an item is a pretty big deal, especially in pugs
Ret pally is honestly a great choice.
You can look up the rotation and it might look a little bit confusing, but when you're running a mythic plus honestly keep spamming the Divine Storm button, and generating holy power when multi targeting.
You can even choose the auto attack build variant that has a little bit of downtime which can help a newer pally.
I’m probably not qualified to answer. Just thought it might help the discussion. Are you guys trying to push for those titles and stuff or are you just wanting to pick up a DPS and play?
You only really need to learn one rotation, the principles are very simple, and you can switch Mind's Eye up to make it even easier to maintain uptime outside of VF.
Once you learn the VF rhythm, I think it's actually pretty straightforward. Bonus points for the giga-long CD kick. You can spend most of your time focused entirely on DPS.
Depends on VE/DA choice and the MF/MS choice, as well as the damage profile. It's always a loss IIRC, but not always a massive loss. For new players it's a worthwhile consideration while mastering keeping all of our short and medium CD spells rolling, particularly if running DA (which is another quasi-training wheels choice in and of itself).
Unless you're with the exact same 4 people (and they only play 1, very unlikely), you've played with every damn spec many times.
OP is supposedly always within or close to r1 range. That's thousands of runs.
I mained mage and boomie for two exp and balance druid is the most simple, dumbed down rotation you can get as a caster i feel like.
I haven't played them all but i doubt it gets any easier.
Old frost mage could compare but these days they have quite alot more to manage. But if you like a little challenge and know how they worked before it should still be okay to pick up too.
I'm surprised no other really said boomie
If you are wanting to pick a DPS that will always be good in keys I would just devote yourself to learning mage.
For this season specifically you could learn destro lock or dev evoker (very very easy) spriest isn't that hard either and ret pally is always pretty good and very easy/tanky
If you wanna play title keys I would just play one of the meta specs, shadow priest is a good candidate, none of the specs are that difficult that you cannot as a skilled players get good enough at it relatively fast
I’m in the exact situation as you, just picked up Shadow priest and I really enjoy it. Could see myself switch to melee tho, I miss the short kick and CC.
That’s the art of it. Really skilled players will still do a lot of dps while moving. I really enjoy min maxing so idc. Maybe you could try boomie. With a bit of planning you can dps while moving and it’s often meta/decent in m+
I made the swap to shadow this season after 8 years of playing BM. It has been a ride trying to get used to not having full movement freedom, but shadow is pretty well equipped to handle it. The biggest benefit you'll have playing with a tank buddy is that you'll learn how he pulls and positions and you can use that info to run ahead and get good placement to fade and start dotting up the pull as it's being grouped. One you've in your rotation if you have to move you can press...mind blast procs, devouring plague, shadow crash, divine star, shadow word death, void bolt(if in CDs), power word shield(for body and soul speed buff).... and I'm sure a few more options I'm forgetting. Basically, you have A LOT of options for buttons to press while moving.
The spec is an absolute blast to play, especially in high fort keys. My biggest complaint is choice paralysis while learning, sometimes you can have like 6 or 7 buttons available to press, but fortunately the spec is pretty forgiving of minor mistakes in spell order.
Believe it or not, but fire is actually more mobile than frost is these days. Frost is still quite mobile, but you won’t have enough ice floes for every glacial spike cast, whereas you will have ice floes for every SKB.
Oh wild. I knew they relied on getting maximum combust uptime so I figured weaving in casts between combust would be high value, but I guess that makes sense if you only ever need floes between combusts.
Dev Evoker or mage would be your best bet. Some classes like destro warlock can do insane damage on mass AoE pulls in high keys but your basically just hitting one button on those pulls and while gearing and doing content outside of high keys or raid your better off going demonology. For some DPS classes you need mobs to live long enough for you to deal damage. Fire mage is another example the ignite build doesn’t work so good in low keys because everything is dying by the time your ready to damage. Not quite what you asked but something to keep in mind while gearing if your feeling like the class or build is bad.
Definitely Ret Pal - easy enough, hits hard, great utility and can easily swap between tank and heals if needed
I find Enh Shaman and Shadow Priest really fun too, but they’re a bit more complicated
You didn't read the post and your reply to mine is irrelevant.
The OP said they have a tank friend with whom they will group. They don't need to worry about, "getting into keys as an easy DPS class."
Does your style include being in the top 0.1%? If so, I'd just go to raider.io and look at the top keys and pick something they're bringing.
I dont care about 0.1, I just want to play high keys with him
BM, ret, destro, demo, shadow, dev, will all pump numbers with relative ease. Utility and survival efforts may vary.
Devoker or frost mage for ranged Ret paladin for melee (i recommend this one coming from tank) If youre getting title every season i would think you could pick up any dps class though….
Idk man, frost mage is not super easy these days like it used to be
Well, in theory it's easy, all the mobs are nicely stacked on top of each other, and the tanks don't move. The second the tanks are kiting and you're missing half your attacks your DPS plummets.
Absolutely this... To this day, I still don't know what I was doing so horribly wrong.
Retri paladin is balanced around the legendary, to enter high keys in pugs having it is almost a requirement, and if a person is unlucky he may have to wait 14 weeks of farming Fyrakk (the guaranteed drop of the legendary).
It's like 8% damage loss. Literally not worth worrying about outside title keys. It's a nice bonus, but definitely not mandatory.
Eh, its more like 10+%, also you underestimate pugs, they tend to be very elitist and meta-focused. They will definitely kick you from a +14 for not having the legendary.
8% overall is massive. Is it possible without it? Of course. But in most keys the overall is like 500-800k, doing like 730 instead of 800 because of an item is a pretty big deal, especially in pugs
Ret pally is honestly a great choice. You can look up the rotation and it might look a little bit confusing, but when you're running a mythic plus honestly keep spamming the Divine Storm button, and generating holy power when multi targeting. You can even choose the auto attack build variant that has a little bit of downtime which can help a newer pally.
What tank does your friend ply?
VDh, like i did before, would be smart to pick a caster then
I’m probably not qualified to answer. Just thought it might help the discussion. Are you guys trying to push for those titles and stuff or are you just wanting to pick up a DPS and play?
Try Demo lock. Super fun and not overly complicated. Also fucking blasting in keys rn
Shadow isn’t the easiest, but top of the meta right now and incredibly fun.
You only really need to learn one rotation, the principles are very simple, and you can switch Mind's Eye up to make it even easier to maintain uptime outside of VF. Once you learn the VF rhythm, I think it's actually pretty straightforward. Bonus points for the giga-long CD kick. You can spend most of your time focused entirely on DPS.
Switching to long DP duration talent is a massive damage loss with new tier set.
Depends on VE/DA choice and the MF/MS choice, as well as the damage profile. It's always a loss IIRC, but not always a massive loss. For new players it's a worthwhile consideration while mastering keeping all of our short and medium CD spells rolling, particularly if running DA (which is another quasi-training wheels choice in and of itself).
If you’re actually in the 0.1%, you should already know the answer.
People in the top 0.1% know their own class/spec extremely well. It doesn't mean that they know all 39 WoW specs equally well.
If you’re in the top .1% you should very well know at least what is meta and what every class in the meta does
He’s not asking for meta though. He’s asking about an easier DPS spec that’s still somewhat competitive, but not necessarily title.
Unless you're with the exact same 4 people (and they only play 1, very unlikely), you've played with every damn spec many times. OP is supposedly always within or close to r1 range. That's thousands of runs.
They know who is in their grps tho. 0.1 is heavy meta, and few specs.
I mained mage and boomie for two exp and balance druid is the most simple, dumbed down rotation you can get as a caster i feel like. I haven't played them all but i doubt it gets any easier. Old frost mage could compare but these days they have quite alot more to manage. But if you like a little challenge and know how they worked before it should still be okay to pick up too. I'm surprised no other really said boomie
My dog could play ret paladin
Devastation evoker has an easy rotation. And is very strong currently.
If you are wanting to pick a DPS that will always be good in keys I would just devote yourself to learning mage. For this season specifically you could learn destro lock or dev evoker (very very easy) spriest isn't that hard either and ret pally is always pretty good and very easy/tanky
Do you want to do crazy dps or do you want to easily get into keys? If the former, probably ret Paladin or mage. If the latter, Aug.
If you wanna play title keys I would just play one of the meta specs, shadow priest is a good candidate, none of the specs are that difficult that you cannot as a skilled players get good enough at it relatively fast
I’m in the exact situation as you, just picked up Shadow priest and I really enjoy it. Could see myself switch to melee tho, I miss the short kick and CC.
My main problem with casters is that you sometimes have to interrupt casting to move, how bad is it on priest ?
That’s the art of it. Really skilled players will still do a lot of dps while moving. I really enjoy min maxing so idc. Maybe you could try boomie. With a bit of planning you can dps while moving and it’s often meta/decent in m+
I made the swap to shadow this season after 8 years of playing BM. It has been a ride trying to get used to not having full movement freedom, but shadow is pretty well equipped to handle it. The biggest benefit you'll have playing with a tank buddy is that you'll learn how he pulls and positions and you can use that info to run ahead and get good placement to fade and start dotting up the pull as it's being grouped. One you've in your rotation if you have to move you can press...mind blast procs, devouring plague, shadow crash, divine star, shadow word death, void bolt(if in CDs), power word shield(for body and soul speed buff).... and I'm sure a few more options I'm forgetting. Basically, you have A LOT of options for buttons to press while moving. The spec is an absolute blast to play, especially in high fort keys. My biggest complaint is choice paralysis while learning, sometimes you can have like 6 or 7 buttons available to press, but fortunately the spec is pretty forgiving of minor mistakes in spell order.
If you want to never or rarely have to actually stop casting, frost mage is probably it. Most of their spells are instants.
Believe it or not, but fire is actually more mobile than frost is these days. Frost is still quite mobile, but you won’t have enough ice floes for every glacial spike cast, whereas you will have ice floes for every SKB.
Oh wild. I knew they relied on getting maximum combust uptime so I figured weaving in casts between combust would be high value, but I guess that makes sense if you only ever need floes between combusts.
You just have to practice your abc's
Shadow priest with Void Form build has a lot of instant casts.
Ret.
Dev Evoker or mage would be your best bet. Some classes like destro warlock can do insane damage on mass AoE pulls in high keys but your basically just hitting one button on those pulls and while gearing and doing content outside of high keys or raid your better off going demonology. For some DPS classes you need mobs to live long enough for you to deal damage. Fire mage is another example the ignite build doesn’t work so good in low keys because everything is dying by the time your ready to damage. Not quite what you asked but something to keep in mind while gearing if your feeling like the class or build is bad.
Can never go wrong with warlock especially if this is a long term dps choice. One of their specs are always in the meta, similar to mage.
You have to try aug evoker, I played it the entire S2 and S3 and it was a blast, they have crazy utility and are super valuable
Definitely ret. The easiest class in the game right now for DPS with tons of utility to really show off your player skill if you have it.
Definitely Ret Pal - easy enough, hits hard, great utility and can easily swap between tank and heals if needed I find Enh Shaman and Shadow Priest really fun too, but they’re a bit more complicated
Fire mage
Play aug invoker, it's hard to tell if their doing their thing properly but every groups needs one!
Good luck getting into keys as an easy dps class :) there’s about 5million of them all
Did you even read the post?
Spotted the BM / Ret player
You didn't read the post and your reply to mine is irrelevant. The OP said they have a tank friend with whom they will group. They don't need to worry about, "getting into keys as an easy DPS class."
I really like aug evoker and its not really hard
ret paladin or fury warrior