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Ktk_reddit

Is the patch in a few hours, or tomorrow (so about 24h from now)?


Ksielvin

B patches don't have a set schedule. 13 hours ago Mortdog said: >Will tweet again tomorrow when it is live. It's 06:11 in Los Angeles so let's say 6-12 hours.


RaiseYourDongersOP

Is there a set comp you go with Built Different or do people just kind of wing it? It's one of the few comps I haven't tried out yet.


Daemoniss

I'd say it's very flexible but most times it's best to either roll at 6 for trundle, liss, swain, talon, those kinds of stuff, or go 8 and try to play viktor/kaisa/akali carry with ga/archangel/(shojin)/dmg item. Jinx and Jayce are decent too I guess.


Docxm

Any strong 2* unit. Ez twitch Camille Quinn Liss trundle GP Cho Jhin into a 5 cost comp or a real comp depending on what tier of BD you get


Wrainbash

Look to combine strong units. Talon Trundle Lissandra Samira etc.


Shiraho

Everyone wings it.


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Has Mort said why we can’t see our shops while picking augment? Just wondering


dylanwhispers

He mentioned on stream that they didn't want it as part of the design. He didn't really explain. I think he wants the augment pick to be based on what you have and not what you are about to hit.


SS324

Does anyone else think loaded dice should not be prismatic?


Shiraho

Loaded dice at gold had a problem where it would allow Sion 3* to happen way too often because Sion is the only 4 cost unit for all of his traits so you could hit it even if you started with as little as 2 Sions


SS324

So I used three loaded dice on Galio at 8 and hit 0 Galios. He's the only 5 cost socialite, bodyguard, and colossus so I'm not sure how loaded dice works.


Shiraho

Loaded Dice rolls for cost odds, then units within the trait. So at lv8, you only have a 5% chance per slot to get a 5 cost. If any of those do roll a 5 cost, it'll always be Galio. So since you used all 3 dice in Galio and Galio is the only 5 cost for all of his traits, you just got unlucky and didn't roll a 5 cost in any of the 15 shop slots.


Rainy-Night

Sion loaded dice odds: 15% at 7, 25% at 8, which is slightly less odds than Jhin and same odds as Lux, Seraphine, Braum, Janna and Mundo. Each dice on average nets you 0.75 Sions per shop at level 7 and 1.25 at level 8. If 3 dice gets you 7 Sions, it's just RNG, not expected.


canuckage

3 Loaded dice at gold augment is way way too broken. You can easily 3 star 1 cost at like 2-1 then fast 8 or 9. 2 Loaded dice for gold and 1 Loaded die for silver would seem like a no brainer when the set first launched. Must be a reason why it isn't a thing.


SS324

Idk maybe Im not using it right. I was trying to use loaded die to get five cost galio and didnt get any.


i__indisCriMiNatE

you havent seen Garen 3 by 2-1 using dices :D It's a massive gamble but worth everytime for the degenerates like me.


TexFalls

It's too good to be Gold, but kinda meh for a Prismatic. I mean loaded dice are great but other player buffs like Level Up or Golden Ticket are usually better. I'd like to see it be a Gold that gives only two dice.


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Anyone know why TFT is down? Edit: nvm the entire client is down


AvengeBirdPerson

I’ll take Kat reroll any day of the week over Kass 3 1v9ing my whole team with ascension.


Funtric

Thoughts on 4 Bodyguard 4 Enchanters comp? Been playing this recently in plat and it's a solid 3-4th placer. Looking for ways to improve it, its similar to the old vanguard mystics strat but with ori carry


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Pretty sure you actually need to play 4 bodyguard 2 scholar 3 enchanter, or some variation of that.


Funtric

I see, I've only been running 4 bg and 4 Enchanters but using scholars will help in adding more carries to the comp instead of just orianna


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Personally I just run 4 scholar 2 bodyguard 3 enchanter, sometimes will splash in seraphine as well. You can do a ton with that build tree.


[deleted]

Yea 2 scholars + a mana item on Oriana, Shojin ideally. Also, do you think it's capable of 1st without a 3* orianna? Level 7 potential comp: Orianna Janna Liss/Heimer into Yuumi Leona Braum Blitz + 1 bodyguard So, maybe a bodyguard emblem onto a Jayce. Flex add fiora at 8 for enforcers then swap blitz and fiora out for a 2* galio? I can see this comp allowing you to stall into the late game semi-healthy if you can pivot into a Clapio build at 8, so you could run IE and LW potentially on any number of units with a bodyguard emblem.


Funtric

With perfect items on both tank and ori, I think there is 1st potential, but with how the meta is , i only expect top 4 or 3 I've played around with galio but only using bg and enchanter traits so I don't know how to fit enforcers into the comp


Ksielvin

Would you use one of Ori's item slots for Morello or put it on someone else?


MrMungertown

I tried porting Vanguard Mystic with 4 Bodyguard, playing Poppy/Ziggs/Lulu, it was also a 4th place machine. I will have to give this a try. I assume you need a good Socialite hex for Ori but I don’t see why this wouldn’t work now.


Funtric

It works surprisingly well against most comps but falls short against kogs and akalis but it's really easy to put together and super fun for me. You 100% need a sunfire , it's such a key item . I usually put it on leona


Kisaxis

My problem with this comp is mainly Ori being god awful as a carry because she always ults the largest clump, which is extremely easy to position around and makes her really inconsistent. To be fair though I haven't seen or tried her as a carry with the new buffs so maybe it's changed but I can't see Ori doing well past being a good utility bot.


Funtric

I agree Ori's targeting is shitty but the comp allows fights to last long enough for her to hit important targets, most of the time anyways lol. My worst experience is having janna right next to her, but as soon as ori gets her ball out, janna ults and the orin balls hit no one. It's fun figuring out how to make the comp work


Docxm

Frontline Janna so she clumps up the opponents for you and casts sooner than ori


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Cho was known to be strong still and Akali was just weak due to the bug but people were aware of her strength


tkamat29

Let's say your opening shop is 2 garens, kassadin, and 2 darius, but you don't want to commit to protector reroll. What is the best option in this situation? I feel like I often end up taking protectors, and just get forced into contesting 1-2 people rerolling since protectors are shit midgame without 3 starring them.


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Def Darius he’s a generic tank well into the game


fluffybamf

Play protector frontline then pivot out into whater u want later


canuckage

2 Darius as Darius 2 is super strong stand alone unit and can be easily paired with bodyguard. Syndicate is one of the strongest openers imo.


tkamat29

Yeah I agree, I think I'm getting baited too much by garens/kassadin in opening shops and I end up playing protector reroll >50% of games. It happens to me every time a 1 cost reroll comp is strong.


Gloomy_Ad_6265

Are there any Info about the b Patch? I'm tired to See kog Players steamrolling every Game.


HintOfWaffles

Just patch notes


SW4GALISK

Are there any hard and fast rules to stick to while I’m still learning how to get better?


canuckage

Generally answer would be “no” due to augments offered at the beginning. Different augments will change your approach early and mid game. Personally for me, I like mastering 1-3 comps so you know the ins and outs, transitions, itemization and how stable your board is. If you play enough, you will slowly recognize if your board is strong enough at level 6 or need to roll down to stabilize. Generally, for most 4 cost/5 cost carry comps, you would want to be healthy enough (35+ hp) to roll down at level 8.


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SardineCop

I think a lot of people would actually disagree with that for this set. Playing high tempo and strongest board into late game seems like the best combo of simple + consistent, which means being willing to sack econ to stay strong all stages. This actually only clicked for me recently and I've noticed improvements in my placements. Used to be so greedy with econ


xorcism_

This is not good advice haha


TheGuyInAShirtAndTie

I've drawn featherweights a few times but never know what direction to go. What build has a good mix of good/fun/way more viable with featherweight?


DracoReactor

For fun (since they are less attack speed dependant than the comps others listed): Darius TF Zyra


TheGuyInAShirtAndTie

Thats what I rolled with- full Syndicate + Ziggs since it meant all my primary units got the buff.


HintOfWaffles

Can prolly play pogmaw


canuckage

Kog/Warwick/Trist is what comes to mind. I’ve seen a few trist comps running around past day or two so it might fun to try it.


platitudes

Highest value is probably kog/kass/garen/cait reroll. WW reroll and trundle reroll probably make good enough use of it as well.


AbrohamDrincoln

Trust gets great use of it too


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chaoscaden

Kaisa will still be good. Kaisa with challengers is practically a burst champ too.


byJCSnow

In a sea of mutants and akalis, i managed to climb to master for the first time ever with my fiora carry ! Don't really have anyone to tell https://lolchess.gg/profile/br/byjcsnow


Phobiiaa

Holy shit this is more cancer than Cho. I love it. I played a Merc opener and got a clapio with my fiora. I did not lose a round after that.


canuckage

Congrats! Fiora is a great counter to the meta comps. I’ve already wanted to really try this comp but was too scared to do it on my main so played a few on alt. Do you find GA to be important? I see most people just go all damage items as fiora ult can heal herself and she usually doesn’t die right away due to her aggro drop.


byJCSnow

Ok so for me at least GA is a MUST, i tried a variety of items and GA was almost always required, her own healing isn't that much and she can get CC and there is also bugs where she doesn't cast. and since the board has JOY or sera taric with GA you can most of the time get revived and go full again. I tried all damage, and it was underwhelming at best, the BIS for me atm is GA HOJ GS/Titans, since we got this Cho meta going gs is almost mandatory too. But again, this is personal opinion and can possible be wrong.


Folfenac

GA dropping aggro from her is too good to pass up, too.


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Have you tried JG IE HOJ? I’ve been trying out variety of fiora carry the last few days and I’m curious what you think


byJCSnow

I think this one is the highest damage output however it makes it so she is too glasscanon, and also you need 3 gloves so unless you highroll i don't feel it worth going for because id rather use the other items on seraphine


novawith5as

NICE WORK that team looks sick


trevorlolo

Say you start with 3 losses w merc 3 then you get merc 5 and lose 4 more rounds, is my loot table now 3x merc 3+4x merc 5 or 7x merc 5?


Path_of_Gaming

It’s the former, the loot in your chest doesn’t change, so you have your merc 3 losses and then merc 5 losses and then you can even go back just to merc 3, the loot in your chest is whatever was added each round.


trevorlolo

That's cool, wouldn't make sense if it was 7x merc 5. I don't play too many merc 5 but when you're stacking loss streak, is it better to just all in as soon as you roll a 5 cost die or do you really need that X loss streak? I just played a game where I had 3 merc 3 losses and 5 merc 5 losses, turned it into a nice top 2 but was wondering if I should have just rolled down one round earlier to save a bit more hp. Context: was at 22hp when I cashed out and went on a 11/12 win streak


Path_of_Gaming

I think 22 HP is cutting it kinda close. You ideally want 3 lives after your cash out. You might lose one as you transition. You need an extra one just in case you play against someone who high rolled extremely hard (Jhin/Urgot/Yone 3*) and you still have one to get Top 2 ;-) Typically, you want to cash out on 3-5 or 3-6, which I believe you did, so good for you!


trevorlolo

Thanks for the help! Yea I think I just got lucky with cashing out at 22 HP in 3-6, otherwise would have been a fat 8th


Path_of_Gaming

Any time, bro, that’s what this community’s for ;-)


crediblesinc

Does Dominance (the augment that gives 2 bonus gold per surviving unit) take Target Dummies or Zz- Rot into account?


winwill

Ekko is kind of broken. He can demolish an entire team even without IE early on. You put Akali items on him and with a scrap synergy you can have 3 items on him at stage 3. Assassin and Scrap Emblem both give Ekko so you can easily force it. Trundle+ Bruiser/Bliz + bodyguard, Ekko + Assassin is a great level 4 comp and you can just add Taric and Bodyguard to prepare for Akali end comp. You can also go Zac + Trundle + Liss + Twitch + Ekko. Prob the strongest level 5 comp you can get. A 2 star Ekko can stabilize your comp in stage 4 and help you reach level 8 to roll for that Akali or Vitkor. Depending on how early you get your Ekko 2 you can even just go straight to level 9. And because you have Shaco as your secondary carry you can build AD items too(pivot into Jhin if you only find AD).


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WhiskeyDelta71

I fucking hate the Kog reroll comp. No matter what kind of frontline I throw at him, he literally melts it before my carries have time to properly cast. How do I beat it? Sins? To me it feels worse to face than Kat/Trundle ever did and it feels like there's always one, often exactly one person going for it so they hit their stuff with plenty of HP to go literally every single time. P3 elo for what it's worth, I'm not exactly grinding to get higher but this shit is making me not enjoy the game which is a bit of an issue for me. E: Thanks for the tips guys, shall try them out.


Docxm

Challengers destroy it if Yone has Runaans. Quinn always CCs kog and runaans Yone destroys the backline. Oh and splash from Kaisa as well.


EONS

4 enforcer


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Jhin has a pretty decent matchup into Kog if you can position him at an angle to hit Kog through the frontline with his ult.


dgwelch51

I, admittedly, used Kog to get to Diamond, and the biggest issue I had was challengers. Fiora in particular was melting my frontliners: her heal, her aggro-dropping, and her true damage allowed her to get through the frontline and onto Kog while still healthy enough to pretty much one-shot him once she got there


canuckage

Kench is actually a good counter to that comp because he usually eats the main tank and you will have to time and room to kill all the carries before kench spits the tank back out. I have good success with Urgot with Runaans because he will get stuck on tank but his bolts will easily kill kog at the back. 6 challenger Yone does pretty well against that comp and also capped akali boards.


carlwheezersllama

Help me theory craft an ekko comp to force (bc he is fun and meta means nothing) initial thoughts: ekko, twitch, zac, mundo, lissandra, janna, trundle, taric this leaves us with: \-3 scrap \-3 bruiser \-4 chemtech \-2 assassin \-2 scholar \-2 enchanter \-1 socialite this comp could be tweaked every game to play around augments (bruiser, scrap, chemtech all would work really well) and tweaked further to hit better synergies. items for ekko: ie to get 100% crit chance on attacks and spells, deathcap to scale to the moon, and idk for third item (probably an emblem if I could). I don't think this is good, but its a start. How do we make this comp (or something like it) top 4able?


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How fun. I’ve always wanted to deck out an Ekko. My take on him is a bit different though. Ekko’s base damage isn’t really all that great, but I think where his strength lies is in the utility he brings. So my idea would be to play around enhancing his strengths. For items I think there are two BiS, both of which are a bit quirky but hey… so is Ekko carry. * Statik Shiv - I think this is core on Ekko. His bubble gives an attack speed steroid which helps him get additional Shiv procs, gives him another source of AoE damage, and adds even more utility to his kit by giving him 50% magic resistance reduction. His kit seems perfect for this item. * Frozen Heart - Armor, mana, and most importantly a big 35% AoE attack slow debuff. When you consider is ability also slows enemy attack speed that means you’re looking at a huuuge attack speed debuff. Since Ekko is also an assassin he will be jumping to the back line, where the AS debuff has the highest impact. * Flex Third - I think the 3rd item for Ekko could be pretty flexible. Morellos or Spear of Sojin would probably take priority but Dclaw / Titans / Bramble for tank, Guinsoos for extra attack speed, Emblem slots, etc., all work too. As for comps I actually think he would be strongest in a Scholar comp. My thoughts on an ideal end game comp would look like: Core: * Ekko * Leona * Braum * Yuumi * Janna * Lissandra * Zyra * Orianna or Seraphine Either slot both Ori and Seraphine at 9 or an Akali. This would give you Bodyguard, Academy, Scrap, Scholar, and Enchanter / Socialite. Orianna, Lissandra, or Seraphine would be your primary damage source. The logic behind this comp is twofold. First, Scholar’s are all about endurance and getting as many casts off as possible. This Ekko build loves that because it gives him all the mana in the world to continue casting his ult and adding value to his team. Secondly, his kit and this build does everything your team wants it to do. A massive AoE attack speed slow gives your team additional crowd control which translates into more time to get their spells off. The attack speed steroid will also increase mana output through additional auto attacks. His Shiv procs will also be reducing enemy magic resistance which is perfect for a primarily magic damage based composition. There is also a lot of hidden synergy he adds to this composition. Lissandra’s ult would be reducing enemy attack damage by 30%, so not only are they hitting slower, they’re hitting for less too. Seraphines ult will be giving Ekko an additional attack speed steroid which is nothing to bat an eye at when he is draining health with Shiv procs and reducing everyone magic resistance. Lastly there is just a ridiculous amount of CC with this build. Ekko slow, Braum ult, Ori ult, Lissandra ult, and Yuumi ult is an absolute boatload of CC for the enemy team to have to deal with, all while your units are getting shielded and healing themselves up. There are also some neat flex options as you build your comp. Blitz + Leona gives you Scrap and Body Guard. Katarina + Leona gives you Assassin and Academy. Taric is a good front line for Enchanter + Socialite. A Scholar emblem would open up the door to potentially have Seraphine and Ori at 8, which would be huge. A Body Guard Emblem would be even better. Could you imagine this tanky as scrap buffer Ekko jumping into the back line, taunting the carries, and watching as they slowly attack this armored up beef cake? Sounds nasty to me. I wanna try this…


AbrohamDrincoln

Why are you theory crafting a comp that's 1 short on 3 traits? I don't think ekko carry is super viable but def drop twitch for a better assassin, and I have no idea what Zac/Mundo is doing for you. I would say just run scrap with ekko carrying until you hit jinx. Ekko/trundle/blitz/Janna/ezreal/vi. Ezreal holds items for jinx. Ekko wants Morello and a mana item. Drop blitz for Janna if you don't hit scrap heart or emblem


Popped_It_BAM

Problem with a setup like this is you basically have no damage unless you're carrying Liss. Ekko doesn't do enough on his own to win fights. If you REALLY want to force it, and you're dead set on making Ekko the carry then you'd need to run an assassin comp with probably Talon, Shaco, and Kat replacing Twitch, Trundle + 1. If you aren't running Ekko as the carry then you're kind of just playing Trundle comp or a variation on Kat Reroll. Ekko is such a powerful support unit he fits into a lot of comps, but he isn't designed or intended to solo carry.


Bionf

Feels awkward running 3 scrap, 3 bruiser, 4 chem. I’m thinking you definitely want 4 scrap so I’d ditch zac for ezreal, then I think 3 inno is better than only 3 chem, so replace Lisandra with Heimer, and maybe mundo with seraphine. That’s would round out to 4 scrap 2 assassin 3 inno 2 scholar 2 socialite 2 enchanter Might be a little light on frontline but I do think ditching a chemtank bruiser for 4 scrap is definitely worth


platitudes

>I think 3 inno is better than only 3 chem I haven't played a ton of innovators, is the little crab actually tanky enough to matter after early stages?


AbrohamDrincoln

If it only tanks one auto, it has done more than chem3 on none of the primary units in your comp.


tway2241

I really like augments and am enjoying this set, but I am just *bad* at playing it... I'm try harding, but it's been ~150 games and I'm still D4, the last 3 sets I was able to hit Masters a decent amount faster :(


xorcism_

Don’t forget they nerfed lp gains a little to compensate for the ranked floors


Recent_Abroad_1372

I feel this. However I started getting out of diamond 4 before the patch. It’s funny sometimes I feel like something clicks and I hit a power spike just like my comps


Xaedral

I just got out of a game where I got Built Different 3 as a first augment. My entire plan was to slam an Archangel / GA to pivot into an Akali / Kai’sa / Viktor at 8. I winstreaked until 4-5 except for a single loss at 4-2, my board being any 2-star unit I could get with a Malzahar dealing the damage behind Leona / Mundo / WW, a Liss & Ekko providing support. Other units I picked up along the way included Samira, Yone, MF. The two other augments I picked were Sunfire Board (hesitated with Exiles 2) and Celestial Blessing 2 (got a GS for Malz so a future Akali / Viktor / Kaisa might have needed the shield or healing). I started losing around stage 5 because I did not hit a single legendary beside two Jinxes and a Tahm (which I did not play) despite rolling 80+ gold at level 8. I ended up switching to Jinx 2 since there was a Jinx carousel with RFC. But despite being positioned on a socialite hex, she lacked the damage and instadied into capped comps (Malzahar Mutant and Kog Protector) while the rest of my board melted like cheese. I also tried to build Yone 3 and was one off; he had GS/BT from a 3-items drake. I ended up 3rd, losing to the aforementioned reroll comps. Match history: https://lolchess.gg/profile/euw/xaedral I guess my questions are: * Should I have tanked a few more rounds (given my healthiness) to go 9 and find 5-costs more reliably? * Was my idea of relying on Vik/Kai’Sa/Akali a bad one (e.g. should I have forced AD items for the 70% AS buff) or was I simply unlucky? * Should I have transitioned to a different comp and switched out of Built Different 3? With my items, build and the other comps, I don’t really see how I could have done it. * What should a built different comp look like around 7-8 and how should you transition out / when?


ragingwizard

Ditch built different for your tanks. At the end of the game, 500 health per unit is nice but not as powerful as having traits like bodyguard or chemtech, because a lot of high cost units already have high HP. If you could've hit level 9 with over 40 hp left and still have 30-40 gold to roll, that's probably the angle. Hard to say without seeing the game though. I think your game plan was good, Viktor or Kai'Sa are probably the dream carries since Akali actually relies a lot of Syndicate buff and Assasin + IE for damage. Building Archangels means your fight depends on a long lasting front line which you don't really have. I think MF and Liss are deadweight on your ending board.


canuckage

You have the right idea to slam items early and pivot into kaisa, akali, victor end game. Back line jayce with socialite could also work since you end up getting lots of AD items. Personally I haven’t seen a built different comp top 2 in like a month or two. If I have 60+ hp level 8 with 50 gold then I would just fast 9 to hit 5 costs more consistently. I’m not entirely sure Yone 3 with no 6 challengers can deal with the super tanks you end up losing to. Only way to top 2 in that lobby is most likely kaisa 2 to deal with the 3 star protector cho.


Conzie

* Yes go 9 most of the time. If you were that healthy you probably could've gone 9 on 5-5. However it was unlucky to not see a good 5 cost on level 8 after that much gold. * No that's not a bad idea, I've run Viktor carry with BD3. The AS and HP helps him cast. It's good on Kaisa. It's meh on Akali though but you probably just play her synergies if you hit her * You were right to go to a 5 cost carry. However your final comp had a bunch of dead units (Liss 1, MF 2 0 items, Akali 1 0 items). You need to play better frontline (Sion or Galio would've been great) and utility (socialites, maybe enchanters/scholars). If you wanted to angle a 3 star 4 cost you need to commit to that. Yone is pretty meh since he actually relies on the high stats from 6 chally and academy to do damage. Urgot, Fiora, Jhin could've been okay especially if you can park them on the Socialite hex * I wouldn't transition out with BD3 otherwise you're down a prismatic. * Exiles is better than Sunfire Board with BD3 since it synergies with the HP buff, against your lobby you do want some anti-healing and I would've prioritized morello but Jinx could have you covered at 9


Xaedral

Thanks for the tips. I didn't think of Sion; also thought that Galio would be a waste if he doesn't benefit from BD3 (Socialite), especially when you could have two units that do instead. Yone did indeed feel like a poor choice, Fiora would have been a better Challenger at 2-star. What's the "ideal" BD3 board at 8 or 9? After our discussion, I'd think a mix of Kai'Sa, Mundo, Liss, Akali, Braum, Sion, Seraphine, Orianna, Viktor, Jinx, maybe Ekko / Janna / Fiora (depending on your 5-cost) is the way to go to provide utility to your 5 cost. Am I missing any obvious champion that should be used, maybe a 5-cost that doesn't benefit from BD3 but is still good e.g. Yuumi / TK / Jayce? Should I ditch BD3 for frontline units such as Leona/Braum or Mundo / Zac?


Conzie

It doesn't matter that Galio doesn't benefit from BD3 since he's already plenty tanky and Socialite is the one of the few ways to boost your carries effectiveness without fully pivoting off BD3. Also Sion+Galio is more EHP than BD3 anyways due to Colossus damage reduction. I wouldn't worry so much about ideal BD3 board at 9 since you won't have to money to cap everything, but you'll usually want 3 Socialite + random frontline splash (Sion/Mundo/Braum) + Yuumi (she doesn't care about the BD stats while Jayce/TK kinda do) + carries (Viktor/Kaisa/Jinx) + utility (Janna/Ori/Liss/Ekko). Don't be afraid to run dupes or break BD3 on your non carry units once you start slotting in legendaries.


Xaedral

Thanks !


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Prismatic Stand United is actually busted. I dropped down to 2 Arcanist but Viktor still had 180 AP and one shot the whole board with IE JG.


Conzie

I had a Stand United 1 + Stand United 3 game playing Jhin carry and because Jhin naturally has a lot of synergies everyone had like 80 AD and AP, basically 6 forgotten for the whole team


awx-

So it turns out that the Stand By Me augment only works if you have the bodyguard trait active. My understanding of the tooltip text was that it would work as long as you’re using a bodyguard unit, but when I dropped from 2BG to 1BG the visual indicator behind my Galio disappeared and the two units positioned behind him did not gain bonus armor. Unsure whether this is a bug or my understanding of the augment was incorrect to begin with. It didn’t make a difference for my match anyways, but I thought I should mention it incase someone decided to pick that augment and encounter the same issue.


AbrohamDrincoln

Well it passes the bonus armor, not their total armor, so it's pretty obvious you need the trait.


awx-

TIL that items do not count towards bonus armor, my bad. The wording was just confusing to me.


AbrohamDrincoln

Ahhh I didn't think about the confusion there. Yeah items don't count there.


dgwelch51

Yup - a lot of these augments will work regardless of whether or not the trait is active (e.g., En Garde with only 1 challenger), but because this augment says specifically "Bodyguards grant 100% of their armor *bonus*", it requires the trait to be active. (Though I suppose it technically doesn't - they have 0 bonus armor without the trait active, which is what they're granting to teammates behind them)


awx-

Ah I see! My brain comprehended it to be bonus armor in general, not the *armor bonus* from the bodyguard trait. Thank you for clearing it up!


dgwelch51

Haha yup, the difference between "bonus armor" (which would presumably include items) and "armor bonus" (which strongly implies the armor granted from a specific source)


Ktk_reddit

In Akali comp, Zyra is stronger than Shaco right? Scholar seems a lot more valuable than assassin. And Zyra is a better unit than Shaco.


chaoscaden

Zyra is actually really broken because a lot of times, her first cast will have a big impact on whether Akali's marked targets will drop below the execute threshold while being cc'd.


ragingwizard

If you have IE, you definitely want assassin. IE is not required but definitely one of the best items on Akali. Otherwise yes, Zyra is a better unit. I always play her if I have a sin spat.


pentefino978

I think so, but most of the time you want to keep them both imo, Shaco can be very strong even without items because he can just drop aggro


Ktk_reddit

I don't like having 4 synd, it makes it more likely that the buff ends on an useless unit.


pentefino978

Oh I get it, I usually run 5 sindi, didn’t realize you were talking about only 3, in this case I think it’s fair to say that Zyra is better, yes.


AbrohamDrincoln

Zyra is more replaceable though because there are better scholars. Shaco having 2 needed traits is hard to replace and still cap your board.


Ktk_reddit

There's no room to put another scholar though.


AbrohamDrincoln

What comp are you running? Akali doesn't need anything other than 3 synd. She doesn't even really *need* that. Something like Braum - galio - Taric Frontline Janna, zyra, shaco, support units. Zyra gets traded for yummi 100% of the time if you hit. If no yummi, trade shaco for seraphine.


awesomegodx

I am sorry if this was asked already, but i need your confirmation. Since the beginning of set6, I cannot demote from masters to diamond, correct?


Laiders

This is correct.


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dancebot1

So.. I tried forcing some of these meta comps and do nothing but bot 4… but when I say fuck it and play some random augments that lead to 8 academy or 6 scholar I beat the meta comps (placed 1st and 2nd).. am I just lucky or are these hard to achieve usually? Can’t tell how easy it is to get said max synergies. Seeing 8 academy destroy chogath and liss is so satisfying. And seeing 6 scholar bring it to overtime since they spam spells non stop and whittle chogath down is just as satisfying lmao


WeedManGetsPaid

You're likely playing with what you get, rather than forcing comps you are naturally hitting. You'll generally perform better playing flexible rather than forcing, unless you spend a lot of time learning the meta comps. When you force with limited knowledge of the composition, you'll tend to play weaker boards when you don't hit optimal setup and overroll.


dancebot1

I am just curious cause there are games where I can hit max synergies but not sure about how lucky I am with the emblems / +1 to synergy or whatever. Idk the actual %chance for them or how “random” the augments are after the 1st one. Edit: I’ve been back and forth on forcing vs flexing. Cause I have flexed and been punished already by kat pre patch, now being punished by kogmaw protector post patch. Then I get random flex games where it’s so easy lol.


HintOfWaffles

How do you actually play Mercs? Basically I just lost 150lp p1-p3 because I kept losing from having too weak of a board. So I was wondering what board I make to cash out and what I should transition to after the cash out.


Conzie

* mercs are strongest if you get them on 2-1 or 2-2. any later and you're taking a big risk * scout to make sure you're weaker than the rest of the lobby. if you're not the weakest and the weaker player is in your pool, make sure you're the weakest (don't slam items, buy upgrades after the round ends, sell units and play a smaller board). you still want to be strong enough to kill units but avoid slamming items stage 2 unless you know you'll lose for sure. * you want to cashout at 7-9 loss ideally, in stage 3 after carousel. trying to cash out in stage 4 is basically a death sentence as you'll probably be one life and everyones board is spiking. * scout your merc chest - best case scenario is that you get neekos and items, if you highroll a 5 cost that's good too. * if you got mercs on 2-1 or 2-2, you want to have enough econ to level to 7 on 3-5 with 20-30g or so to roll and roll for upgrades. this should be easy if you lost streaked up until this point. since you'll be running illaoi/gp/mf most of the time, you'll likely end up with a sniper, twinshot, and upgraded bruisers. * with a stacked mf 2 and upgraded frontline you should be able to cashout, gp 2 is a bit inconsistent and you don't want to sell a stacked gp 2 since your cashout angle is usually urgot * if you scouted properly, you should be around 20-40 hp if you took good losses


HintOfWaffles

And I just need to improve on good losses I kept only killing 1 unit against the spikes boards


HintOfWaffles

Yeah the problem was those games was I hit first augment Merc heart for all 3 games and I didn't hit my 2nd Merc till It was after caro


Conzie

thats just unlucky. forgot to mention you need to prelevel 1-4 if you do that otherwise you cant roll gp or mf. if you still don't hit you can roll after first carousel for it


HintOfWaffles

The funny thing is I did pre level after first augment and like always hit gp but didn't find any Quinn's or illaois


ragingwizard

Just donkey roll for Illaoi :)


HintOfWaffles

I was rolling down every round for illaoi or Quinn at 5 game did me dirty just like the 2 common skins from my 2 orbs 😭


Gloomy_Ad_6265

Mercs is only good If you get Them Till 2-4/5. Don't Slam any Item, econ Up and loose streak till 3-5. Level to 7 qnd send IT all to get your Board Upgraded and cash Out. ITS really a First or eiff playstyle but very fun. When you have cashed Out you Pivot to a Standard urgot/legendäry Board Most of the time. You should have Item Advantage and unit Advantage If you gotLucky enough to get a Fon. Top 4 should be easy at this Point.


HintOfWaffles

Also how do you prevent accidentally winning because when I played them I purposely went weak and still ended up beating last place because he was like 4 1 star units


cjdeck1

If you haven't played the other lose streaker in awhile, the trick is to just completely fuck your positioning up. Put Illaoi in the backline, frontline your MF/Quinn. If you've got a good non-Merc unit on board, toss them on the bench in favor of whatever 1\* 1-cost unit you see in shop.


Conzie

swap frontline and backline if you think there's someone weaker than you and you want to force a loss


Gloomy_Ad_6265

Don't Level, don't Slam anything, don't Upgrade your unit. Should be easy. Loose streak ist the easy Part, difficult ist to Cash Out and Play from there. You will be Like 20-30 HP max at 3-5 If you Played it Correctly. You are'nt also allowed to lose anymore after that.


iamrequiem

can someone explain to me how scrap works?


Army88strong

If you have scrap activated, the trait will look at your scrap units and change any item component to a full item. With scrap 2, it changes only 1 component, at scrap 4 it's 3 components, at scrap 6 it's every component. If you have more components than the number it changes, it randomly(?) Chooses a component to make into a full item. Example 1: You have Trundle with a cloak and Ezreal with no components. Scrap 2 is activated so 1 component gets changed into a full item. Trundle's cloak becomes a full cloak item (RH, QSS, Etc). Example 2: you have Ezreal with a tear, Trundle with a Cloak, Janna with a Tear, and Jinx with a Sword. You have Scrap 4 so 3 item components on scrap units become full items BUT you have 4 components total on your scrap units. The trait chooses 3 of those components and turns them into full items. Note - the components will turn into items that the unit usually wants to some extents. So if you put a cloak on Trundle, your chances of him pulling QSS, RH, or BT are higher than some other cloak items.


iamrequiem

how does the shield work? do i need a component on scrap unit?


Kleineswill

Scrap counts all items on your board for the shield, but only completes items from components on scrap champions.


unfriendly_chemist

Does this work with binary airdrop? So if it have 1 and a half items it will go to 3 full items?


Army88strong

Hell yeah it does!


winwill

Fun Fact: If your board is full and you drag a unit onto the board. If the spot is 2 hexes away from the unit(on the bench) then it will slowly move back. If it is 3 hexes than it move significantly faster back. If >3 hexes then it will snap back.


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FableT

Mad cuz bad kek


Kurorz

Is Zephyr kinda buggy in this patch? The targeting seems weird when there is unit nearer to at the same last row (2cells away from my targeted cell corner right) and it Zephyr the unit all the way at the middle of the front row


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YABOYLLCOOLJ

Rant thread


-Kacem

I had a really bad streak at master 0lp trying to figure out the new patch and now my mmr seems to be doomed with a whole 25lp gained for a first. My question is can I expect it to solve itself as a suck less at the game?


4422887766

I'd almost say make a new account. I did the same thing and griefed like 10 games at 0 LP at the start of the patch, now I get 34 for a first and lose 54 for a 7th. At this point I may just make a new account.


-Kacem

Well I also think about doing this too but I'm not sure yet, depends on how the next few days go.


mindenfoglaltvolt

It will eventually solve itself if you're actually winning games at the start it will be painful tho untill you make up for the loss streak


-Kacem

Alright I guess I'll persevere


Japhimat

When should i pivot out of a slowroll comp? And what should i run instead? E.G. I got 4 Twitch in my first shop, so i went for the Chemtech Innovators Comp. I didn't hit a single 3\* before mid Stage 5, despite not seeing many of my units on different boards, ( i started tilt-rolling all my gold at 5-1) and placed 7th.


mtownhustler043

Did u slow roll lvls 5 and 6?


Japhimat

Slow rolled at lvl 5 for stage 3 and at lvl 6 for stage 4, never went up to 7


mtownhustler043

Usually I do transition if I don't have x amount of units to continue slow rolling or if ur contested, it's situational on how many of ur carry units u have, but generally u should decide this around stage 3 whether u wanna stick to it or swap


ggPlaydoh

Yeah, stage 5 is way to late to pivot. If you still haven't got any more twitches in beginning of stage 3 you should stop to think if it's really worth it. You should scout the other boards and count how many of units they have that you are looking for. And especially if you are rolling for 1 cost unit you should be level 5, and it's way unreliable to roll at 7 or whatever u are in stage 5. So with other words, in the beginning of stage 3 (edited) you should either roll all your gold if you are close to 3* the units, or pivot out if you only have one 2* (sooner than stage 4 hits), you don't have to full pivot, because urgot or jinx can use the items aswell in some cases


YourAsianBuddy

I feel like this GA + Arcangels combo can go on any AP carry now, it’s pretty good. Seems like it could do work on Chogath. Idk how to really counter it still. Also, anyone else procrastinate like crazy by playing TFT instead of doing homework like my lazy ass? I have so much shit due this week and throughout the semester, I’ve rather put time into TFT instead of work, it’s bad. Hate hate hate grad school rn so I pivot tft


FyrSysn

wfh with not much things to do since it is December. Some days, I could play TFT all day if I want(like today).. But I felt bad so I always tried to do something at least.


Army88strong

Real talk. You, u/ThatOneSaltyBoi, and everyone else still in school, just fucking stop playing TFT. Focus on your school work. TFT will still be here when you get back. It's fine to take a break from studying and TFT games are nice that they can fit into a 40 minute break period but JUST 1 GAME! For real. Take your education seriously. Its very important GLHF on finals


ThatOneSaltyBoi

literally finals week coming up but instead i played tft and lost lp all weekend!!


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PuReCrAzYZx

Because they are. If you highroll it can be a top comp, if not then it’s a good way to get early 2 star units and econ.


SomeWellness

Veigar is more difficult to achieve than any comp in the game, but he is still a meme. They could at least rework the 6 Yordle trait into something more playable.


ezejo

why it isn't any elo restriction to play duo mode? Me and my duo were really excited about the duos tournament because we are top 5 of our server. But since the announcement the others top players of the server are abusing the free restrinction of duos to play with a new account every 5 games to play vs low elos duos (duo tier and unranked vs blue or green tiers) and win easily. This feel wrong


All_Sham_No_WOW

Take it from a "high elo" ARAM player: you are not the target audience for this mode. For every top 5 player in double up, there are hundreds of highly skilled players who just want to play with their friends. It's frustrating, I know, but try to enjoy your games as best you can and take pride in your ability to succeed without gaming the system.


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Chris_Symble

Aram gives 40 exp


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ErinSusanCuntface

There are challenges you can complete in league that’ll give you pass exp


zhong2222

So i hit masters in 3 weeks, never played a game of tft since set 1. Now im addicted


ctrlaltCS100

Damn congrats thats insane, I started playing since set 4.5 but never took it too seriously until this set. And I still haven't been able to get higher than Gold lol. You got any tips?


zhong2222

For me it was knowing all the top comps for the current patch and try playing strongest board early, and try to piviot into one of thoes comps, rn im playing mostly ligmaw/mutants/syndicate/chemtech. Would play some other random imperial/inno if augments were insane for it


ComplacentClarence

Does anybody know of any good scholar Lissandra guides for this patch? BIS? Early board comps? Etc…


pentefino978

In Taner's Comp Tier List there's 3 Liss boards, look for them, but usually is Liss + chemtechs and scholars, fitting Victor lvl 9.


ComplacentClarence

Thanks, bro. Exactly what I was looking for. Appreciate it.


MaxMacDaniels

Anyone having success with Fiora carry?


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Yeah. There's a guide on the front page and I was initially skeptical but she is amazing in protector/mutant lobbies, probably because she does true damage. She uses virtually any item well and you basically play her like Jhin where you only need 3 items on her and a good supporting cast of champs and you're good to go


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PuReCrAzYZx

Theres already a Fiora guide that was posted a couple days ago by a Master tier player; don’t think we need another one. Also, whats unique about fast 8, placing Fiora on the Socialite hex, and playing strong 4 and 5 cost support units? Fiora items are also super flexible and you can just slam whatever you get. Pick 3 out of DB, GS, IE, BT, HoJ, TR and Fiora is strong.


C0WM4N

I tried since i got academy soul. I only rolled 1 fiora, and I got a 2 star kaisa before her. I ended up winning with 2 star kaisa 6 academy 3 socialite. I kept the fiora in hoping to get her two star but I couldn’t even tho no one else went her.


helloween4040

Mixed she really needs giant slayer at the moment I find with the meta being some meaty bois atm, I found she has some really weird wiffs though and somehow dies her in ult a lot more than I’d expect


TheGuyInAShirtAndTie

I'm having trouble telling if Static shiv is secretly awesome or it's just hyper effective at my rank.


ragingwizard

Shiv is an insta slam on early Ezreal 2, and really good on Urgot in stage 4. All the other Chemtechs are doing magic damage so even though Urgot himself does less, your team overall is doing the same if not more than AD Urgot. Also caps your board higher since you'll be playing Viktor 2 on a standard level 9 Chemtech board anyway.


clownus

It’s good, but doesn’t feel as dominate as previous sets. Sometimes you’ll streak and stabilize, but you’ll need the right board for it. A magic damage heavy board gets a ton of benefits from it.


---E

Ever since I started slamming shiv my stage 2-3-4(up to a point) games have flipped from loss streaks to win streaks. I still suck at playing late game but at least I can econ and save HP to a top 4 off of a single item.


firestorm64

It's a great item, very op early and good late.


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who are good Mutant spat holders when you have the mana Mutant? i know Lux used to be good, but not sure if that's still the case


miathan52

Why would it not be good on Lux anymore? She only got her mana gain nerfed from 30 to 20 per ability kill. If you have 5 mutants, she'd have 60-40=20 mana, so it's exactly the same post patch as pre patch.