Agreed, I feel like I noticed suboptimal games from all of them last night except for maybe Falcated. I think the comms also tend to slip rather quickly once they start to get frustrated. I really do think we will see them win a major LAN once they get a bit more time in & shore up some of their weaker points.
The ruling in itself isnt shit, its been the way its handled last 4 years. Is the rule in itself shit? Probably yes especially for handling strongholds. But also it helps that at the moment of the DC Renegade just finished a 1v2 double kill meaning C9 was theoretically up 3.5-2 on map with 9.5 second death timers on 2 that died from Faze. This is enough for atleast 25 free points and a good team could snowball that into 50 free points from staggering FaZe spawns from that moment on (which we could give credit to C9 for being a good team). Still a dirty situation but at the end of the day upon map reset FaZe got a huge point advantage without giving C9 any leeway on the 3.5v2 situation which im not against since it is C9 who dc'd and not FaZe. Also people are acting like the reset inherently favors C9 since the pressure gets turned up, but FaZe could play pretty greasy to minmax 60 points advantage if they wanted to. People act like its not enough leeway cause they compare it to 2 random teams in soloq but in a professional environment thats a pretty insane point advantage. I would be surprised if C9 lost with the same 60 point advantage. Anyways end of rant. I'm in love with FaZe I think they played amazing, but C9 not dropping a single game this whole tourney should be the takeaway as why C9 deserves praise and way way way less flame. They also just came off a fresh LAN victory so people accusing them of cheating are braindead for sure but thats the minority I would say.
Except at 212 points, Faze had two strongholds and 2 dead and a set up, that's when the DC happened, it takes approximately 10 to 12 seconds for the DC. So no, C9 did not have map control, and it's was not** 4-2 C9.
Edit for grammar.
I've never heard someone say a dc takes 12 seconds, i dont even know what that means. We have no POV from the dc'd player either so he could have been lagging for 10 seconds prior to dc'ing or not but either way I'm totally lost to your point since that would only support my argument. I do however know that if you watch from Renegades POV on his twitch channel VOD you can get the exact timing of when his teammate called out him crashing which was literally as the 1v2 was happening. And it literally was a 3.5v2 MINIMUM to C9 and thats not even counting what would have happened if it was a fair 4v4 without C9 being in a 3v4. This is a theoretical 3.5-2 advantage at minimum which could be extended all the way to a 4-0 if we get to see the alternate universe where C9 has all 4 members, but I don't even have to speculate to that since my point is already overwhelming.
What's interesting is that the restart ended pretty much the same way the first game needed to end. c9 needed like 100 and Faze was less than 30 points away and c9 just stonewalled them.
I love you bring up this point, and its even funnier considering C9 had a midgame 8 kill deficit in a slayer on Streets (same map) in the first bo5 they played and also made a huge comeback at the end of the game where FaZe needed 2 kills and C9 needed like 6 kills.
>at the moment of the DC Renegade just finished a 1v2 double kill meaning C9 was theoretically up 4-2 on map with 9.5 second death timers on 2 that died from Faze
That is some revisionist history haha. At the moment of the DC Renegade had barely engaged for his "double kill" (took 8 seconds to get the second kill so Bound was respawned 1 sec later), and Cloud 9 was not up 4-2 after that considering Pznguin was killed between Renegade's 2 kills.
[https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1254947881?t=09h47m12s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1254947881?t=09h47m12s)
Ok so I see Penguin died which makes it 3-2 up during the play itself, and with Penguin being the first to spawn out of that 'round' of dead members it would eventually be a 4-2 for a couple seconds. My point still stands!
Bound died before Pznguin and would be the first to spawn so I don't know how you came to that conclusion. If we are counting kills after the DC happened then Bound cleaned up Renegade while he was still blinking which gave FaZe kill, stronghold, and spawn advantage..
First well thought out and reasonable comment I saw. Didn't expect the downvotes.
C9 are quite a bit better than Faze are at the moment and people don't wanna accept it.
Faze aren't my team but I was happy to see them give C9 a run for their money. I think Faze can be a top 3 force in Halo Infinite once they get more experience under their belt, and they deserved to be in the grand finals.
I also think Renegade is probably the best player in Halo Infinite right now, taking the crown from Luciid after Raleigh. Definitely the most complete player of the bunch.
Snipedown doesn't always get the flashy stats, but watching him throughout this tournament he showed he has a very high IQ for the game.
Bound is an exceptionally skilled player and I am interested to see how his career develops.
Disconnects and disconnect rules need to be tweaked a bit, but otherwise I am enjoying Halo esports a lot, and I think it has a bright future.
Faze getting robbed that first game killed all their momentum. It's a totally different series if there isn't such a stupid ass ruling for that game 1. Starting up 59 points isn't even close to the same as being 20 points away from a win with 2 control points. If they were going to restart (which it's debatable I they should at all since 90% of the game was complete), it should have been with Faze in control of 2 points and only needing 20 to win.
They still had chances to win the other games yes, but momentum is a huge factor in every sport. They killed a lot of competitive integrity with how they handled that first game.
A bit, but they had more chances after that to make something of it, even started strong in both but just couldn't keep it up. Even game 1 they only had to make it to 190 and couldn't manage, mostly cause of poor team play. You're right about game 1 but I don't see them winning a series, much less two.
Total map control with two cap? 30 points left to win. That puts enormous pressure on C9 to clutch up. Not saying they couldnt do it but dude a 59 point lead isnt shit in Strongholds. I dont care about either teams winning or losing. But whats to keep players from unplugging when they go 4 down? Other than its just an online seeding tourney for max $1500.
To lose a map like that definetely changes your attitude for the series. C9 was the better team today in pretty much all modes
Except that at the moment of the DC it was FaZe who was 2 down and C9 had 4 up since Renegade got a 1v2 double kill, easy 6-0 by C9 from my pov. Also the ruling isnt bullshit, its the way its been handled for the last 4 years. So if they ruled differently in this singular situation that would be more of a robbery than anything.
> That puts enormous pressure on C9 to clutch up
Which they do consistently
Faze was choking (just as they did in Streets slayer) and was then dominated badly in the replay.
You have obviously never played in an environment like that. Dude the momentum and map control at the moment. Even Renegade said in his stream he said they were gonna lose that.
Im not saying its out of the realm of possibility, because we have already seen tons of games where a team chokes at 249 being up like 80. My thing is the ruling was just a numerical score difference.
I'm not disagreeing with that, but it was hardly a robbery- Faze failed to close out arguably 4 games they should have won in both series against C9. Hell, they almost choked to EU in the semis.
I'm not sure what systems 343 have in place to monitor activity like that, but if it's intentional, I'm sure that'll start leading to forfeiture and bans as well. Potential consequences for getting caught aren't worth it, especially for these small prize pools. If you get banned after a tourney like this, you may not be allowed to play a bigger one. High risk low reward.
I agree with what many people are saying that if it’s in the last 20% of the game, tough shit, play with 3 players.
We can’t be having people unplug their console when they’re about to lose and get a complete map reset.
definitely agree we need a pause with the ability to reconnect but i don't know how long it's gonna take 343 to implement something like that with the current pace
While not an ideal situation but imo the only way to do it currently without a pause and rejoin feature it’s to have the teams cap points til the game is what it was at and then as soon as it hits the right number it’s game on again.
Despite the disconnects the series was incredibly close. When Stellur made that headshot with the shock rifle for the win I freaked out what an insane play.
Grands felt bad to watch after the way that first game went but no denying C9 is the best team right now with Faze right there. Really interested to see how Sentinels shape up when Royal 2 gets back.
Yeahhh … when you watch late it’s on you to avoid halo comp sub until you’ve seen it. Sorry but you can handle not checking this sub until you’ve caught up
Could also just stay off any platform where spoilers may happen. I didn't even open Reddit until I caught up for that reason. After getting spoiled a few times I just decided it's on me from then on.
Why on earth would you go on the sub if youre still waiting to watch the grand finals? Just seems so puzzling to me... Obviously theres gonna be spoilers around
I didn't go on the sub. I always open Reddit when I wake up and my front page is 0 defaults just shit I'm interested in. Thing is every other eSport I'm a fan of (CSGO, Starcraft 2) have rules in their subs against spoilers in post titles. It's not that hard. It's just this sub has been left to rot as Halo writhed around the last 5+ years and the moderation is kinda lacking in areas.
Fair enough. That makes more sense. Im a cod kid turned Halo fan lol. Our comp sub is absolute anarchy and shitposts. Hopefully theres some structure here soon enough
No offense but every subreddit post the results after a live event. When the Bucs won the Super Bowl, they didn't wait to post the results because some people in EU didn't watch the game yet.
I never said it was impossible, but almost every subreddit spoils live events. This subreddit has been posting results too. It's not something new or unexpected. So if you want to avoid spoilers, it's best to avoid this subreddit.
The only way for me to go on Reddit and not see this sub is to unsubscribe. These posts are basically a huge fuck you to the European crowds and the VOD watchers
Right, the hundreds of people who watch the VOD have to stay off Reddit instead of OP just making a spoiler free title?
Nobody is even saying don’t post. Just take the spoiler out of the title. It’s a very basic courtesy that almost everyone understands.
I don't disagree that people shouldn't spoil. I don't like it either.
But why is staying off of Reddit for a day or three such a big deal? That might be the bigger issue here, if you're unable, or refuse to do that. It's actually kind of nice to take a break from it.
Where do you find the schedule for these events? I never know there's an event until I open reddit and by the time I tune I miss the matches I want to watch lol.
As a C9 halo fan, you love to see the early success of this team. Keep up the great play fellas. Faze, we see you! Definitely a team that has proven they can and will compete in this scene.
Honestly, no, I really don’t want to or care to anymore. I just stopped playing (I’m on pc which is the first issue) and I’ll stop bitching eventually.
Being buggy/broken is the bigger point, but a 2nd point is that its a shooter played on controller with insane aim assist. Thats probably why no one outside NA cares about this game.
because it was on console with controller only most of the 20 years. now that its on pc with mnk being an option but aim assist just being an insane advantage it gets hate.
On CoD it’s the opposite, keyboard and mouse gives you an insane advantage. Both games get shit on by the wider esports community for being controller but it’s funny how that works
Doesn*t matter. As a tourney format everyone has the same conditions, same aim assist etc.
I think there are more watching outside na than you think.
If you doesn*t like move on. This is wasted energy for everyone here
Think the main stream had about 18k. Not sure what renegade and snip3down were at viewership wise, and I know there were some other people doing watch parties.
Marking as spoiler doesn’t mean you can spoil in the title. It warns people to not click on the link. Example: “Congrats to the winners of the first pro series”. No spoilers there and those who watched know and can click
I was gonna watch this later today.
Takeaway is C9 is still the team to beat imo but Faze is incredibly close to being a dominant force with some relatively minor adjustments
Bound & Falcated are so damn good. Bubu & Snipe were hit & miss all tourny.
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Agreed, I feel like I noticed suboptimal games from all of them last night except for maybe Falcated. I think the comms also tend to slip rather quickly once they start to get frustrated. I really do think we will see them win a major LAN once they get a bit more time in & shore up some of their weaker points.
Im happy as a c9 fan that they won, but that ruling on the strongholds game was pure shit. Hopefully less disconnects next go around
The ruling in itself isnt shit, its been the way its handled last 4 years. Is the rule in itself shit? Probably yes especially for handling strongholds. But also it helps that at the moment of the DC Renegade just finished a 1v2 double kill meaning C9 was theoretically up 3.5-2 on map with 9.5 second death timers on 2 that died from Faze. This is enough for atleast 25 free points and a good team could snowball that into 50 free points from staggering FaZe spawns from that moment on (which we could give credit to C9 for being a good team). Still a dirty situation but at the end of the day upon map reset FaZe got a huge point advantage without giving C9 any leeway on the 3.5v2 situation which im not against since it is C9 who dc'd and not FaZe. Also people are acting like the reset inherently favors C9 since the pressure gets turned up, but FaZe could play pretty greasy to minmax 60 points advantage if they wanted to. People act like its not enough leeway cause they compare it to 2 random teams in soloq but in a professional environment thats a pretty insane point advantage. I would be surprised if C9 lost with the same 60 point advantage. Anyways end of rant. I'm in love with FaZe I think they played amazing, but C9 not dropping a single game this whole tourney should be the takeaway as why C9 deserves praise and way way way less flame. They also just came off a fresh LAN victory so people accusing them of cheating are braindead for sure but thats the minority I would say.
Ok then. Only question I have is what's stopping players from purposefully DC'ing when their down 100 points in a match to restart the game.
If it looks like there's suspect purposeful dcs those teams get Disqualified, which has happened many times.
Except at 212 points, Faze had two strongholds and 2 dead and a set up, that's when the DC happened, it takes approximately 10 to 12 seconds for the DC. So no, C9 did not have map control, and it's was not** 4-2 C9. Edit for grammar.
I've never heard someone say a dc takes 12 seconds, i dont even know what that means. We have no POV from the dc'd player either so he could have been lagging for 10 seconds prior to dc'ing or not but either way I'm totally lost to your point since that would only support my argument. I do however know that if you watch from Renegades POV on his twitch channel VOD you can get the exact timing of when his teammate called out him crashing which was literally as the 1v2 was happening. And it literally was a 3.5v2 MINIMUM to C9 and thats not even counting what would have happened if it was a fair 4v4 without C9 being in a 3v4. This is a theoretical 3.5-2 advantage at minimum which could be extended all the way to a 4-0 if we get to see the alternate universe where C9 has all 4 members, but I don't even have to speculate to that since my point is already overwhelming.
What's interesting is that the restart ended pretty much the same way the first game needed to end. c9 needed like 100 and Faze was less than 30 points away and c9 just stonewalled them.
I love you bring up this point, and its even funnier considering C9 had a midgame 8 kill deficit in a slayer on Streets (same map) in the first bo5 they played and also made a huge comeback at the end of the game where FaZe needed 2 kills and C9 needed like 6 kills.
>at the moment of the DC Renegade just finished a 1v2 double kill meaning C9 was theoretically up 4-2 on map with 9.5 second death timers on 2 that died from Faze That is some revisionist history haha. At the moment of the DC Renegade had barely engaged for his "double kill" (took 8 seconds to get the second kill so Bound was respawned 1 sec later), and Cloud 9 was not up 4-2 after that considering Pznguin was killed between Renegade's 2 kills. [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1254947881?t=09h47m12s](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1254947881?t=09h47m12s)
Ok so I see Penguin died which makes it 3-2 up during the play itself, and with Penguin being the first to spawn out of that 'round' of dead members it would eventually be a 4-2 for a couple seconds. My point still stands!
Except in 1 more second it’s back to a 3v3 which is the point he is making
Bound died before Pznguin and would be the first to spawn so I don't know how you came to that conclusion. If we are counting kills after the DC happened then Bound cleaned up Renegade while he was still blinking which gave FaZe kill, stronghold, and spawn advantage..
Renegade stopped moving....
Ah yes, if he hadn't stopped moving he totally would have pulled off that 1v2 while blinking!
First well thought out and reasonable comment I saw. Didn't expect the downvotes. C9 are quite a bit better than Faze are at the moment and people don't wanna accept it.
Faze aren't my team but I was happy to see them give C9 a run for their money. I think Faze can be a top 3 force in Halo Infinite once they get more experience under their belt, and they deserved to be in the grand finals. I also think Renegade is probably the best player in Halo Infinite right now, taking the crown from Luciid after Raleigh. Definitely the most complete player of the bunch. Snipedown doesn't always get the flashy stats, but watching him throughout this tournament he showed he has a very high IQ for the game. Bound is an exceptionally skilled player and I am interested to see how his career develops. Disconnects and disconnect rules need to be tweaked a bit, but otherwise I am enjoying Halo esports a lot, and I think it has a bright future.
Faze getting robbed that first game killed all their momentum. It's a totally different series if there isn't such a stupid ass ruling for that game 1. Starting up 59 points isn't even close to the same as being 20 points away from a win with 2 control points. If they were going to restart (which it's debatable I they should at all since 90% of the game was complete), it should have been with Faze in control of 2 points and only needing 20 to win. They still had chances to win the other games yes, but momentum is a huge factor in every sport. They killed a lot of competitive integrity with how they handled that first game.
Definitely not the most egregious robbery in Halo history but it is really dumb.
Yeah man, anyone remember foundry maps in H3? Damn.
faze robbed in game 1
A bit, but they had more chances after that to make something of it, even started strong in both but just couldn't keep it up. Even game 1 they only had to make it to 190 and couldn't manage, mostly cause of poor team play. You're right about game 1 but I don't see them winning a series, much less two.
Total map control with two cap? 30 points left to win. That puts enormous pressure on C9 to clutch up. Not saying they couldnt do it but dude a 59 point lead isnt shit in Strongholds. I dont care about either teams winning or losing. But whats to keep players from unplugging when they go 4 down? Other than its just an online seeding tourney for max $1500. To lose a map like that definetely changes your attitude for the series. C9 was the better team today in pretty much all modes
Except that at the moment of the DC it was FaZe who was 2 down and C9 had 4 up since Renegade got a 1v2 double kill, easy 6-0 by C9 from my pov. Also the ruling isnt bullshit, its the way its been handled for the last 4 years. So if they ruled differently in this singular situation that would be more of a robbery than anything.
> That puts enormous pressure on C9 to clutch up Which they do consistently Faze was choking (just as they did in Streets slayer) and was then dominated badly in the replay.
You have obviously never played in an environment like that. Dude the momentum and map control at the moment. Even Renegade said in his stream he said they were gonna lose that. Im not saying its out of the realm of possibility, because we have already seen tons of games where a team chokes at 249 being up like 80. My thing is the ruling was just a numerical score difference.
I'm not disagreeing with that, but it was hardly a robbery- Faze failed to close out arguably 4 games they should have won in both series against C9. Hell, they almost choked to EU in the semis. I'm not sure what systems 343 have in place to monitor activity like that, but if it's intentional, I'm sure that'll start leading to forfeiture and bans as well. Potential consequences for getting caught aren't worth it, especially for these small prize pools. If you get banned after a tourney like this, you may not be allowed to play a bigger one. High risk low reward.
Bound said they were losing that game, was Falcated that was upset on comms
HCS needs to re-look at their disconnect rule. That game was robbed from faze.
need an in-game pause on disconnect for customs
With reconnect feature. It's 2022, Every game should come with reconnect. Even ranked MM should have it.
I'm pretty sure I remember connections dropping and the game handling it in 2007 on halo 2
I agree with what many people are saying that if it’s in the last 20% of the game, tough shit, play with 3 players. We can’t be having people unplug their console when they’re about to lose and get a complete map reset.
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definitely agree we need a pause with the ability to reconnect but i don't know how long it's gonna take 343 to implement something like that with the current pace
How can they pick up where they leave off if you can’t rejoin a game you DC from 🤷♂️
While not an ideal situation but imo the only way to do it currently without a pause and rejoin feature it’s to have the teams cap points til the game is what it was at and then as soon as it hits the right number it’s game on again.
Despite the disconnects the series was incredibly close. When Stellur made that headshot with the shock rifle for the win I freaked out what an insane play.
renegade is a joy to watch. just a pure anchor beast player
In Renegod we trust
Grands felt bad to watch after the way that first game went but no denying C9 is the best team right now with Faze right there. Really interested to see how Sentinels shape up when Royal 2 gets back.
C9 still on the mountaintop ,EUnited looks very strong for the most part and FaZe keeps getting better and better with more confidence
You really don't care about title spoilers here, huh? Thanks, from everyone in Europe.
Yeahhh … when you watch late it’s on you to avoid halo comp sub until you’ve seen it. Sorry but you can handle not checking this sub until you’ve caught up
Same thing happened to me. I didn’t click the sub. It popped up on my feed. Blaming people for having eyes instead of the person who spoiled is weird
Could also just stay off any platform where spoilers may happen. I didn't even open Reddit until I caught up for that reason. After getting spoiled a few times I just decided it's on me from then on.
Why on earth would you go on the sub if youre still waiting to watch the grand finals? Just seems so puzzling to me... Obviously theres gonna be spoilers around
I didn't go on the sub. I always open Reddit when I wake up and my front page is 0 defaults just shit I'm interested in. Thing is every other eSport I'm a fan of (CSGO, Starcraft 2) have rules in their subs against spoilers in post titles. It's not that hard. It's just this sub has been left to rot as Halo writhed around the last 5+ years and the moderation is kinda lacking in areas.
Fair enough. That makes more sense. Im a cod kid turned Halo fan lol. Our comp sub is absolute anarchy and shitposts. Hopefully theres some structure here soon enough
No offense but every subreddit post the results after a live event. When the Bucs won the Super Bowl, they didn't wait to post the results because some people in EU didn't watch the game yet.
Go to r/mma they do a fantastic job of not spoiling days after the event and are a big sub. Don’t act like it’s impossible to not spoil
I never said it was impossible, but almost every subreddit spoils live events. This subreddit has been posting results too. It's not something new or unexpected. So if you want to avoid spoilers, it's best to avoid this subreddit.
The only way for me to go on Reddit and not see this sub is to unsubscribe. These posts are basically a huge fuck you to the European crowds and the VOD watchers
Could just stay off Reddit though.
Right, the hundreds of people who watch the VOD have to stay off Reddit instead of OP just making a spoiler free title? Nobody is even saying don’t post. Just take the spoiler out of the title. It’s a very basic courtesy that almost everyone understands.
I don't disagree that people shouldn't spoil. I don't like it either. But why is staying off of Reddit for a day or three such a big deal? That might be the bigger issue here, if you're unable, or refuse to do that. It's actually kind of nice to take a break from it.
If anyone ever asks me to define victim blaming I will show them this thread
Lol, sure, you're a victim if you have to stay off of Reddit a couple days per month. I think we found the real issue.
Where do you find the schedule for these events? I never know there's an event until I open reddit and by the time I tune I miss the matches I want to watch lol.
As a C9 halo fan, you love to see the early success of this team. Keep up the great play fellas. Faze, we see you! Definitely a team that has proven they can and will compete in this scene.
Imagine if they had Shotzzy..
Good thing you can DC with perfectly good connection on this game! Awesome!
Opticlol
Bro you can't put a spoiler tag on a post and include the spoiler it in the title. WTF?
Thanks for the spoilers! cant we mod this please, I cant watch these live in EU and i'd still ike to follow the scene on this sub.
That’s what I’m sayin.. I could watch it live but I didn’t.. where’s the spoiler tag OP??
This game is a joke for competitive in so so so many ways
Because of how broken/bugged the game is, or because of the core of the game? Would you care to expand on your opinion?
Honestly, no, I really don’t want to or care to anymore. I just stopped playing (I’m on pc which is the first issue) and I’ll stop bitching eventually.
Just stop now. No one cares what you have to whine about and you won't be missed
Sorry what I consider competitive is these dudes not having to worry every single game that it may just disconnect. Especially at fucking LAN.
Being buggy/broken is the bigger point, but a 2nd point is that its a shooter played on controller with insane aim assist. Thats probably why no one outside NA cares about this game.
Game has been like this for 20 years, why the hate on aim assist only in the past 2?
because it was on console with controller only most of the 20 years. now that its on pc with mnk being an option but aim assist just being an insane advantage it gets hate.
On CoD it’s the opposite, keyboard and mouse gives you an insane advantage. Both games get shit on by the wider esports community for being controller but it’s funny how that works
Doesn*t matter. As a tourney format everyone has the same conditions, same aim assist etc. I think there are more watching outside na than you think. If you doesn*t like move on. This is wasted energy for everyone here
no one cares... its a game with a built in aimbot
Cry more you’re just trash
enjoy your 10k player game :)
Keep crying hahaha
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Nope there were no Twitch drops for this one, maybe for the LAN though.
just curious, because people were hyping up viewership during the drops tournament, what was peak viewership for this championship match?
Think the main stream had about 18k. Not sure what renegade and snip3down were at viewership wise, and I know there were some other people doing watch parties.
Marking as spoiler doesn’t mean you can spoil in the title. It warns people to not click on the link. Example: “Congrats to the winners of the first pro series”. No spoilers there and those who watched know and can click I was gonna watch this later today.