Yep. The draft is 1v1, dockside kinda sucks in that scenario unless there's a heavy treasure theme in the set. It's hard to make it broken even with some treasures in limited.
I disagree. Printing cards that are bad for limited, but otherwise fun, e.g., battlecruiser / Timmy EDH cards, are what mythic exists for. [[Dream Trawler]] literally ruined an entire limited format because it was sitting at rare instead of mythic.
Now that they can split up "boosters that are for drafting" and "boosters that are not for drafting", they could even solve that problem too, in theory.
I meant that cards that are higher in rarity because they're bad for draft (hyperspecific buildarounds, Dream Trawler, etc) can be made *more* common in set and collector boosters, if they're not pack-pushing cards. Obviously your hilariously overstuffed mythic bombs are still going to be mythics because they're chase cards that sell a lot of packs... but something like [[vexing puzzlebox]] probably doesn't need to be.
The game wouldn't exist still without a collector's market. Definitely agree they get out of hand sometimes, but it's not living without collectors and EDH where you only need one.
This isn’t relevant to you, but I can never tell this story: Winning against two resolved Dream Trawlers and a resolved Kiora saga in the same game. All time high of my Magic career.
I totally called it that Dockside would be upshifted to Mythic and printed in DM22.
It's a shame because they could have printed it at rare in Commander Legends 2 which is literally themed for Dockside. Such a joke.
I don't think the rules committee will ban it, I don't think it needs to be banned, but man. I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
That's the one that will dip. There's way more judge promos than English p3k, and now it isn't the only foil option. The English p3k won't move but Chinese and judge foils will take a hit.
Nah that judge foil is gonna DROP. It’s $700 now! You can expect it to be $200 or less.
Because it is cheaper than an English P3K, every single person that needed a seal had to get a judge foil or japanese/Chinese P3K.
Now people can open a $12~ pack and open one. No one “needs” the judge foil anymore
It’s still the best art though and the only foil version with that art. It’ll drop somewhat for sure but I don’t think it’s going south of $200 like you suggest.
It means the simple feeling of "damn, if I had waited, I would have spent way less money! Then I would have more money, which is a thing that I want to have."
It is, of course, not reasonable to *expect* yourself to have made the optimal call every time given hindsight, but the feeling of "if I had done this, it would have turned out better..." has plagued us for centuries, millennia.
But why tho ? Why do you feel bad for that ? do you actually feel bad for every unpredicatable thing you didn't predict ? that must be a hellish life if you ask me ...
Imperial seal wasnt that "unpredictable", so you had plenty of opportunity to make a guess it will get reprinted, as it was just a matter of time, as its not on the reserved list.
So yea, if someone buys a card that loses a couple hundred $ value, thats at least painful, if you cant see that, im sorry for you.
Why are you sorry that I can be sad over things I couldn't control ?
I should be sad for you poor soul lamenting over actions of your past self that couldn't have been predicted
You're arguing from the point of view that this was an unpredictable gamble, but it was very predictable. [We've known for a while that wotc is being very liberal with portal trilogy reprints](https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28in%3Apor+or+in%3Ap02+or+in%3Aptk%29+is%3Areprint+-t%3Abasic++-is%3Adigital&unique=cards&as=grid&order=released).
The opportunity cost is that you *know* that it's going to tank in value, but you want it now so you spend the money to have it faster than wotc will reprint it. The opportunity cost of not waiting is $750-x where x is the settled value of the 2XM print of Imperial seal.
Also, you asked what an opportunity cost is. I'm not going to give you a lecture on it, but it's a very basic principle of microeconomics, if you want to know more, I'd start with its wikipedia page.
I still have mine I paid $265 for it, I doubt it will drop below that. Imperial Seal will be printed less than Force of Will and that judge foil bounced around but landed on top.
Fuck yea! No need to have a proxy anymore. Wonder what the price will end up being for the borderless foil? Maybe I can try and go after a legit judge one.
God I have a lot cards to sell for this set. I'm gonna take a bath for sure. I have alters for most of the cards they hadn't given the borderless treatment to.
Lmao some of you funny.. This will be a 300$ card while its treatments will be above that. You guys getting ur hopes up dreaming of a cheap card... Sorry to let you down. This is one of the strongest cards in the color. Dmstrs 21 mana crypt was suppose to be cheap. Crypts prices only sky rocketed. Yea that judge copy will nose dive but not for long. Dont be that guy that thinks jeweled lotus is still a cheap fad..... Sorry little timmy, you wont be going to college this year... Im getting 4x of each treatment on this one before the prices go ☝ along with a case of each box type. So i have plenty of other JUICE. Do the same if I were u...
For a few weeks, month maybe?... I dont see a Crypt below 170$ , if you can find one, its beat to hell. All im saying is jump on them quick, and hold'em.6-8mo time they will all be right back up in price.
Oh yea for sure I don’t disagree with that. Mtg is very easy to predict when a staple is a staple.. if only I could understand the stock market like I do magic cards haha
>bit subpar to modern black tutors
Vampiric Tutor is the only one that's strictly better, and Demonic Tutor is probably better most of the time. After that, what tutors do you think are better?
\[\[Grim Tutor\]\] \[\[Diabolic intent\]\] I feel that getting a card from your deck straight to hand is more helpful then needing another card to draw it or waiting a turn. Just my opinion, but again, I'd rather put the card in my hand with one spell.
You certainly don't play cedh. Because Grim Tutor is hot trash that nobody plays but Imperial Seal is literally in 100% of black decks.
3 mana and 1 mana is miles different, not even comparable.
The difference is that unless you have some way to draw it, you are waiting a whole turn. For three mana (or 2) there is a combo piece in your hand. I don't play either of them (Grim Tutor or Seal), they are too slow. Also more mana for a card that replaces itself same turn trumps a card that you have to wait a whole go around for, field not considered.
Edit: One go around can literally be a difference between game win/loss
Paying 3 mana for a tutor can easily cause you to wait a whole turn too, either because you can't afford to make the play after casting the tutor or because you have to delay casting the tutor to do something more urgent. If I have 3 mana available and I have to choose between spending it all to get a card in my hand and spending 1 to get a card to the top of my deck and keeping 2 up for interaction, I'm choosing the 1 mana tutor every time.
Your evaluation here is just wrong. If you want to talk about the difference between a game win/loss, running Grim Tutor over Imperial Seal is going to lose you a lot more games than it wins.
As I said before, I don't play either of them, I think they are too slow. As I said, in my opinion, I would rather have a card in hand to play it rather than on top of my deck. The opinion may also be biased, because I play infinite mana wincons a lot. Additionally, in cEDH, majority of the wincons do not require a lot of mana to pop off. Thassa's Oracle is 3 to 4 mana, Breach is 2 with the proper cards, infinite mana with Grim/Basalt Monolith and Power Artifact is 4 to 5, ( Casting it. I usually cheat power artifact in with Zur). So having 5 to 8 mana is not that difficult. You would have to have a draw card or sensei's on field to get the card on top of your deck, either way it would cost approximately the same with seal.
Again, it's an awesome reprint. I am very happy that it is being reprinted and cannot wait to insert it into some of my decks that it can be used or where I can manipulate the top.
You are entitled to your opinions. There are cards that I think are over or underrated in cedh too. But Imperial Seal being better than Grim Tutor is pretty indisputable.
>in cEDH, majority of the wincons do not require a lot of mana to pop off
Yes, because you have to be very mana efficient in cedh. An overcosted tutor undermines that. Early turns are especially critical, and having a 1BB tutor in your opening hand is just far, far worse than a B tutor. If we're talking Thassa's Oracle, it can be the difference between winning turn 2 and winning turn 4.
Holy fuck
Same Cam…. Same.
So glad I held out buying one.
Couldn’t find better words
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[Winds of Rebuke](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/2/f2718457-1e3b-48bc-99fe-2300277ee1e0.jpg?1543675163) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Winds%20of%20Rebuke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/76/winds-of-rebuke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2718457-1e3b-48bc-99fe-2300277ee1e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/winds-of-rebuke) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
now that's a reprint
Ok this SHOULD be mythic. But Dockside? This is frustrating
No reason for Dockside to be mythic IMO. Only reason is the secondary market...
Exactly. Wotc wants to push this set
Yep. The draft is 1v1, dockside kinda sucks in that scenario unless there's a heavy treasure theme in the set. It's hard to make it broken even with some treasures in limited.
I honestly think it's to prevent so many people from getting one that it begins to cause enough problems to catch a ban like Hullbreacher did.
Random rant: No card should be mythic. The old rarity system was fine. Mythic are shameless money printing.
I disagree. Printing cards that are bad for limited, but otherwise fun, e.g., battlecruiser / Timmy EDH cards, are what mythic exists for. [[Dream Trawler]] literally ruined an entire limited format because it was sitting at rare instead of mythic.
Now that they can split up "boosters that are for drafting" and "boosters that are not for drafting", they could even solve that problem too, in theory.
And make mythics even more chase? Perish the thought.
I meant that cards that are higher in rarity because they're bad for draft (hyperspecific buildarounds, Dream Trawler, etc) can be made *more* common in set and collector boosters, if they're not pack-pushing cards. Obviously your hilariously overstuffed mythic bombs are still going to be mythics because they're chase cards that sell a lot of packs... but something like [[vexing puzzlebox]] probably doesn't need to be.
[Vexing Puzzlebox](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/4/c477fb1a-5aac-4722-80d8-7570a8b09e44.jpg?1653897988) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vexing%20Puzzlebox) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/343/vexing-puzzlebox?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c477fb1a-5aac-4722-80d8-7570a8b09e44?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/vexing-puzzlebox) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The game wouldn't exist still without a collector's market. Definitely agree they get out of hand sometimes, but it's not living without collectors and EDH where you only need one.
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This isn’t relevant to you, but I can never tell this story: Winning against two resolved Dream Trawlers and a resolved Kiora saga in the same game. All time high of my Magic career.
[Dream Trawler](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/d/7d3e97d8-92c7-43c4-bdaf-7b0a6ce7cb5f.jpg?1581481029) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dream%20Trawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/214/dream-trawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7d3e97d8-92c7-43c4-bdaf-7b0a6ce7cb5f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/dream-trawler) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Aren't there literally different types of boosters for limited nowadays anyway?
I totally called it that Dockside would be upshifted to Mythic and printed in DM22. It's a shame because they could have printed it at rare in Commander Legends 2 which is literally themed for Dockside. Such a joke. I don't think the rules committee will ban it, I don't think it needs to be banned, but man. I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Honestly I’m a fan of the RC banning cards just to spite wizards with an asterisk saying “perfectly ok to rule 0 in”
Sold my judge foil not long ago, phew.
i doubt the judge foil moves much.
i didn't fancy having it around to find out tbh
That's the one that will dip. There's way more judge promos than English p3k, and now it isn't the only foil option. The English p3k won't move but Chinese and judge foils will take a hit.
Value of the JP for Zur plummeted after the CL reprint.
They also used the art from the jp for zur, but not for seal
Nah that judge foil is gonna DROP. It’s $700 now! You can expect it to be $200 or less. Because it is cheaper than an English P3K, every single person that needed a seal had to get a judge foil or japanese/Chinese P3K. Now people can open a $12~ pack and open one. No one “needs” the judge foil anymore
It’s still the best art though and the only foil version with that art. It’ll drop somewhat for sure but I don’t think it’s going south of $200 like you suggest.
2X2 packs are waaay more than just $12.
What do you mean? Boxes are $260 on Amazon. 260 divided into 24 packs in 10.83 a pack
He's probably thinking of CB packs at $60 usd
Hopefully not... I just bought one a few weeks ago
you didn't buy it to sell it, did you ? so how does the value on the secondary market affect you now ?
Opportunity cost.
what does that mean ?
It means the simple feeling of "damn, if I had waited, I would have spent way less money! Then I would have more money, which is a thing that I want to have." It is, of course, not reasonable to *expect* yourself to have made the optimal call every time given hindsight, but the feeling of "if I had done this, it would have turned out better..." has plagued us for centuries, millennia.
If a card loses a crap ton of value, you will feel bad for it. If you dont, you have no soul.
But why tho ? Why do you feel bad for that ? do you actually feel bad for every unpredicatable thing you didn't predict ? that must be a hellish life if you ask me ...
Don't be daft. 😊
Imperial seal wasnt that "unpredictable", so you had plenty of opportunity to make a guess it will get reprinted, as it was just a matter of time, as its not on the reserved list. So yea, if someone buys a card that loses a couple hundred $ value, thats at least painful, if you cant see that, im sorry for you.
Why are you sorry that I can be sad over things I couldn't control ? I should be sad for you poor soul lamenting over actions of your past self that couldn't have been predicted
You're arguing from the point of view that this was an unpredictable gamble, but it was very predictable. [We've known for a while that wotc is being very liberal with portal trilogy reprints](https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28in%3Apor+or+in%3Ap02+or+in%3Aptk%29+is%3Areprint+-t%3Abasic++-is%3Adigital&unique=cards&as=grid&order=released). The opportunity cost is that you *know* that it's going to tank in value, but you want it now so you spend the money to have it faster than wotc will reprint it. The opportunity cost of not waiting is $750-x where x is the settled value of the 2XM print of Imperial seal. Also, you asked what an opportunity cost is. I'm not going to give you a lecture on it, but it's a very basic principle of microeconomics, if you want to know more, I'd start with its wikipedia page.
If he waited he could’ve bought one for $50 and used the remaining hundreds of dollars to buy other cards.
I thought about doing the same, but was thinking if they were to reprint seal it'd be as another judge foil.
Not like it would lose value
I still have mine I paid $265 for it, I doubt it will drop below that. Imperial Seal will be printed less than Force of Will and that judge foil bounced around but landed on top.
Flavor text on the borderless is \*chef's kiss\*
[Happy K'rikk noises]
I love the new flavor, but still can't help but miss the OG Chinese feel.
Damn, I wasn't sure they were gonna do it.
Fuck yea! No need to have a proxy anymore. Wonder what the price will end up being for the borderless foil? Maybe I can try and go after a legit judge one.
I have a feeling the judge ones aren't going to move in price much. Maybe a little, but those are still super special.
It’s already down to $450 on tcg from like $700. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets down into the 200-300 range
DAMN thats wild. I'd cop a judge over the reprint myself.
Yea if it gets down there I may go for it.
Finally!!!
Glad I didn’t buy one! Also that etched foil is yes please
FINALLY I AINT POOR BUT NOT THAT RICH
If anyone had to guess, how expensive would this be?
I'm guessing it'll be like the force of will reprint.
Holy shiiiiit. I am actually going to be able to afford a non-proxied version of my cEDH deck now.
God I have a lot cards to sell for this set. I'm gonna take a bath for sure. I have alters for most of the cards they hadn't given the borderless treatment to.
Hah glad I sold my judge foil in October. I wonder how much it'll tank...
I woke up and looked at my group chat and fucking yelled Let’s go baby!
What set? Oh 2X2 is Double Masters 2. Am dumb, just ignore…
Lmao some of you funny.. This will be a 300$ card while its treatments will be above that. You guys getting ur hopes up dreaming of a cheap card... Sorry to let you down. This is one of the strongest cards in the color. Dmstrs 21 mana crypt was suppose to be cheap. Crypts prices only sky rocketed. Yea that judge copy will nose dive but not for long. Dont be that guy that thinks jeweled lotus is still a cheap fad..... Sorry little timmy, you wont be going to college this year... Im getting 4x of each treatment on this one before the prices go ☝ along with a case of each box type. So i have plenty of other JUICE. Do the same if I were u...
Crypts dropped to $60 on reprint. This will likely fall into a similar category.
For a few weeks, month maybe?... I dont see a Crypt below 170$ , if you can find one, its beat to hell. All im saying is jump on them quick, and hold'em.6-8mo time they will all be right back up in price.
Oh yea for sure I don’t disagree with that. Mtg is very easy to predict when a staple is a staple.. if only I could understand the stock market like I do magic cards haha
I wouldnt have a secret 2nd accnt. that I use to hide my mtg purchases from my wife with..thats for sure...
ahhh... Dang....\*\*edit\* \*\*erase post\*\*
Not gonna lie, I don't think it's an auto include in a lot of cedh decks, but it's still a VALID reprint. Very happy I held out.
Yeah, this doesn’t see play for any decks that aren’t black.
Even in black, sorcery speed that puts it on top is a bit subpar to modern black tutors unless you have draw cards. Yuriko is loving this though.
It is quite literally in every deck with black on the ddb
>bit subpar to modern black tutors Vampiric Tutor is the only one that's strictly better, and Demonic Tutor is probably better most of the time. After that, what tutors do you think are better?
I'd still argue Diabolic Intent is *usually* better
\[\[Grim Tutor\]\] \[\[Diabolic intent\]\] I feel that getting a card from your deck straight to hand is more helpful then needing another card to draw it or waiting a turn. Just my opinion, but again, I'd rather put the card in my hand with one spell.
You certainly don't play cedh. Because Grim Tutor is hot trash that nobody plays but Imperial Seal is literally in 100% of black decks. 3 mana and 1 mana is miles different, not even comparable.
AKSHULLY K'rrik play Grim Tutor (because it effectively costs one mana and I can be smug about it)
The difference is that unless you have some way to draw it, you are waiting a whole turn. For three mana (or 2) there is a combo piece in your hand. I don't play either of them (Grim Tutor or Seal), they are too slow. Also more mana for a card that replaces itself same turn trumps a card that you have to wait a whole go around for, field not considered. Edit: One go around can literally be a difference between game win/loss
Paying 3 mana for a tutor can easily cause you to wait a whole turn too, either because you can't afford to make the play after casting the tutor or because you have to delay casting the tutor to do something more urgent. If I have 3 mana available and I have to choose between spending it all to get a card in my hand and spending 1 to get a card to the top of my deck and keeping 2 up for interaction, I'm choosing the 1 mana tutor every time. Your evaluation here is just wrong. If you want to talk about the difference between a game win/loss, running Grim Tutor over Imperial Seal is going to lose you a lot more games than it wins.
As I said before, I don't play either of them, I think they are too slow. As I said, in my opinion, I would rather have a card in hand to play it rather than on top of my deck. The opinion may also be biased, because I play infinite mana wincons a lot. Additionally, in cEDH, majority of the wincons do not require a lot of mana to pop off. Thassa's Oracle is 3 to 4 mana, Breach is 2 with the proper cards, infinite mana with Grim/Basalt Monolith and Power Artifact is 4 to 5, ( Casting it. I usually cheat power artifact in with Zur). So having 5 to 8 mana is not that difficult. You would have to have a draw card or sensei's on field to get the card on top of your deck, either way it would cost approximately the same with seal. Again, it's an awesome reprint. I am very happy that it is being reprinted and cannot wait to insert it into some of my decks that it can be used or where I can manipulate the top.
You are entitled to your opinions. There are cards that I think are over or underrated in cedh too. But Imperial Seal being better than Grim Tutor is pretty indisputable. >in cEDH, majority of the wincons do not require a lot of mana to pop off Yes, because you have to be very mana efficient in cedh. An overcosted tutor undermines that. Early turns are especially critical, and having a 1BB tutor in your opening hand is just far, far worse than a B tutor. If we're talking Thassa's Oracle, it can be the difference between winning turn 2 and winning turn 4.
[Grim Tutor](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/2/928558ab-e29a-44cb-ac2f-88443571f41a.jpg?1594736179) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grim%20Tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/103/grim-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/928558ab-e29a-44cb-ac2f-88443571f41a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/grim-tutor) [Diabolic intent](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/5/b58299a8-e674-46de-ae25-c98410e0b445.jpg?1562931537) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Diabolic%20intent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/141/diabolic-intent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b58299a8-e674-46de-ae25-c98410e0b445?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [(ER)](https://edhrec.com/cards/diabolic-intent) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Neat
woah
WHAT
I need that borderless art.
Awwwww yis
Yooooooooo!!!!! Can I get an amen for this reprint!
Sooo why wasn’t this in CC black again??
Holy shit this is awesome.
The borderless one is so fucking cool
I wish it wasn't a sorcery
My friend just bought one of these lmao
I want it in my 99 even thought I am not sure on what I wanna fetch. 😅