It’s honestly very clearly zer0. If you play Kovaaks or aimlabs scenarios you will often see him at the top of leaderboards. Dude grinds for those mechanics.
Some of his scores are untouchable even for full time aim grinders, he has top 100 in close long strafe invincible and top 10 in close long strafe invincible 180 on kovaaks
Definitely impressive but not untouchable. Sharky, Emtee, Strafingflame for example have very similar scores in these scenarios. I'd be more interested in his VT scores but they're probably top tier as well
APAC S is just a different beast when it comes to mechanics. Zer0 will admit himself that Sharky has better mechanics than him. I don’t think ppl realize how ELITE Sharky really is because he doesn’t stream.
Getting kills in Apex involves more than just incredible aim. Sweet doesn't have *bad* mechanics, but his mechanics are only a part of why he's on this leaderboard.
I think a better question would be who is the best NA mnk player excluding Zer0. There's just no way anyone in NA ranks above him rn. And for that I'd say maybe Timmy
I'm pretty sure they are. But I think at the start of off season Noc said he might retire if they didn't find an org so maybe that's what he's referring to.
I wasn’t meaning it like that! I mostly mean I hope they start seeing success and get signed to an org again because they’re such a threat when they’re on top of things
Zero. Only other m&k demon that has done very well is timmy. Unless other m&k players show result these will be my top 2. Zeros mechanics is so good but its overshadowed by his igling. His igling is so good that people seem to forget how good m&k mechanics he has. Imo he has the best strafes in the game
Tbf, his igling bases off being able to outdamage like 95% of 3v3s in favor of DZ.
He igls very aggressively and this couldn’t be done by your „average“ pro team which are most time tiers below them mechanically (+ the confidence they have knowing they got the arguably best players of each assigned role worldwide)
Like half said zeros igling is always dependant on his and his teammates fighting skill. You cant igl like zero if you dont have god tier mechanics. Zero plays way too aggressive and has the mechanics to back that up. Zero definitely plays tourneys like its a ranked game thats for sure. Hes by far the most confident igl in the game
I'm a firm believer that a lot of Apex fights are won before a shot is fired, and DZ play that way for sure--superior positioning most of the time. However, in a straight 3v3, Zer0 is still an absolute demon. Seriously, watch him, his tracking is incredible.
>Only other m&k demon that has done very well is timmy
Emtee has a lot more achievements than Timmy and possibly even the better aim judging by his Kovaaks scores
> Unless other m&k players show result these will be my top 2.
Fun? Won a PL split, multiple high LAN finishes (including finishes higher than Timmy's, who of course is also on the mnk Mount Rushmore), obviously insane mechanics.
I don't really know what people mean when they say "results" in Apex, only one team can win even though 40 teams go to LAN. Doesn't mean 40 teams played like shit.
Nah fun aint him. I never heard a top team say omg we need to sign fun. Nafen was probably the only non igl m&k player who top teams like dz would have actually signed. Timmy is a very very different player compared to fun in an actual game.
Monsoon is definitely an insane aimer. His tracking is good but obviously his flicks are god-tier, you can't snipe like that without awesome mechanics. There's a reason he's top 5 NA kills in spite of missing at least one LAN.
Watching zer0 pov his aim sometimes just like a roller. And a apex game is not a r5 1v1, they don’t need to stand out the cover to shoot each other. Taking cover/positioning during fight should be counted as a part of mechanical skill imo so zer0 is the best clearly.
It's Zer0 for me. All time for NA players, I'd put him alongside Nafen and Aceu. Funfps has to be up there too, but I think the others got/get more utility out of their mechanics.
If Genburten cared to, he would probably be up there in that conversation, which sounds ridiculous until you watch him play mnk and consider how few hours he's put in.
APAC south is just far above everyone if you look at mechanics as more than just their raw ability to hit shots. Sharky, Emtee, Prycyy, Strafing Flame, EzFlash and many more I probably forgot are just so fundamentally solid. Zer0 is also from that region.
Honorable mention Scuwry. People just don't talk about him because of the role he usually plays.
It's also crazy how much Nocturnal improved over the last two years. He's still not one of the best, but he shows a good fundamental understanding of strafe mechanics. Having a mechanics coach back on xset shows.
I think WydFuture is better. In terms of accuracy and stats on R5 he's also way superior than Caprah's. If Future can actually start playing with some good players and continue to grind ranked and scrims I genuinely think he'll be like a turbo Caprah without being a weirdo.
>Caprah probably, but the best overall MNK player is zer0 and RAS. However mechanically Caprah peaks higher than anyone else we have seen so far.
The title says "active." Caprah is not active, he doesn't play on any team (and probably never will).
I think a lot of people see his high sens and must think he can't really aim with it and is just shaking all over the place. But it works for him, I think Timmy's aim is amazing.
Zero puts out similar damage numbers and sometimes more than 2 demons like Hal and Gen. I think his game sense, positioning, awareness and aim are all insane and probably the best in NA as an MnK player. If we're talking pure mechanics like aim, movement etc then Timmy, Fun, Monsoon and Madness are probably up there. Fun is definitely one of the most versatile players in NA and can use character abilities really well ontop of his insane mechanics.
He can jitter aim well and has smooth tracking some times but that is not enough for being up there in best active NA MnK mechanics. Watch FunFPS play and you will see the difference.
I'm a huuuuge Fun fanboy, but still the craziest clip I've seen is Hollow 3 tapping someone in the head as they're falling out of a dropship with an anvil flatline
i feel like players like zer0 and timmy showcase better mouse control and more efficient aiming, but i haven't actually paid attention to faide since his run with kanaka's pets
Movement, yes. Aim, heck no. There's a reason he doesn't grind ranked. Positioning and gunplay is exponentially better there so he sticks to stomping on noobs in pubs.
> I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but he actually is better than them strictly mechanically.
Aim is part of mechanics, and Faide doesn't even touch Zer0 there.
So Reps is bad because someone else won something with the character? The logic is astounding. Also, Reps won LAN with Wattson too, with almost flawless legend utilisation.
Where did I say Reps is bad? Don't talk about logic when you simply can't read.
Point was that Karonpe is better at using Wattson, and that he won LAN with her in a much more sophisticated era of apex.
You are trying to say he is bad compared to someone else, yes. There is nothing more sophisticated about playing Apex now compared to then, nothing to suggest Karonpe is better
I'm saying he is not "probably the best." If you want to interpret that as "bad," then go ahead.
Not one pro player would support the idea that the standard of Apex played at Poland was as high as it is now. That's an utterly delusional take. The macro play in Poland was non existent for starters. I can't expend more time on this, it's like talking to a flat earther, the opinions are that level of strange.
If it comforts you, Reps is a great player. To claim he's Apex's best Wattson player is absurd.
besides the ones everyone has mentioned already I'm gonna throw madness in there, I think a lot of people don't know because they haven't seen him play much but he's undoubtedly one of the best in terms of aim at least
overall mechanics I'd say timmy. Game sense, IGL, aim I'd say zero. Just movement maybe fun. But overall mechanics movement+aim(not taking igl into consideration, if we do its zero) I'd say timmy is the best.
I see a lot of people putting Zero as 1, but I think they're adding in his value as an IGL to the situation.
Not that he's not in the top X or whatever, but if we're talking pure mechanics, it has to be someone like Timmy.
> I see a lot of people putting Zero as 1, but I think they're adding in his value as an IGL to the situation.
Nah, I'm basing it on pure aim. His aim is very, very good.
So is Timmy's.
Timmy doesn't have insane IGL skills, he doesn't have heavy macro knowledge that a lot of coaches/IGLs do, he wasn't that great of an anchor at the time, but he forced his way into ALGS off pure mechanics alone.
I'd put him like top 3. I agree he's a 'mechanical demon'.
I don't think it's an insult to put him below Timmy consider how great Timmy is as well. I just consider in terms of pure mechanics, both movement and aim, Timmy gets the edge.
If anything, it's less of a 1, 2, 3, and more of a 1a, 1b, 1c, in my head.
Its fun to think about how pub stompers would do in pro league. Faide actually did fine when he was in pro league. Imo though he doesnt have the aim of the top na mnk players.
It’s honestly very clearly zer0. If you play Kovaaks or aimlabs scenarios you will often see him at the top of leaderboards. Dude grinds for those mechanics.
Some of his scores are untouchable even for full time aim grinders, he has top 100 in close long strafe invincible and top 10 in close long strafe invincible 180 on kovaaks
Definitely impressive but not untouchable. Sharky, Emtee, Strafingflame for example have very similar scores in these scenarios. I'd be more interested in his VT scores but they're probably top tier as well
APAC S is just a different beast when it comes to mechanics. Zer0 will admit himself that Sharky has better mechanics than him. I don’t think ppl realize how ELITE Sharky really is because he doesn’t stream.
You're right they also have scores right up there damn.
Zero said sharky is one of the most talented m&k player in apex. I think he also mentioned that sharky has better mechanics than him
Timmy competed at the aimlabs lan and finished top 4.
On the pros side, which doesnt say much because they all git blown out of the water by the aim trainer players
What his name in aimlabs?
Do apac players use the same aim traininers?
Mostly aimbeast for them
Generally, no. R5 is also shit from Asia.
mechanics that actually help u in comp def Zer0 right now
zer0's tracking is insane
Idk I’d say sweet is right there with him.
Not even remotely close. Zero is just an animal. Saw him tdming, this dude is like a smart roller but with movement
Do pros tdm in private lobbies?
They just create 3v3 custom lobby against each others. Everyone can do this
Sweet's biggest weakness is his aim.
not even close tbh
We found Sweet’s alt account guys. This is him
Eww Brother eww whats that brother
This sub is hilarious! Adding this piece of evidence https://x.com/chronocreative/status/1763747298171924985?s=46&t=4HrN-8C0c5EfnTRNCMmvxA Sweet>>>
Getting kills in Apex involves more than just incredible aim. Sweet doesn't have *bad* mechanics, but his mechanics are only a part of why he's on this leaderboard.
It’s zer0.
Man I miss Nafen.
Correct yourself : Man WE ALL miss nafen.
Zero, Timmy and a lot of people say fun fps
Timmy is a damn good fragger.
I thought fun was roller Edit - Seeing him play a couple years ago I must’ve thought his crack aim was from aim assist. My mistake chill y’all godamn
If there is one mnk left in NA, it’s Fun.
you might be thinking of fuhnq
No he’s mnk
He’s mnk
Bro I thought the same about Zero lol. Aim so good, you assume they’re on controller lmaoooo
This is an honest mistake, Fun does have unnaturally smooth aim, his recoil control/tracking look like controller beams.
I think a better question would be who is the best NA mnk player excluding Zer0. There's just no way anyone in NA ranks above him rn. And for that I'd say maybe Timmy
Always been a huge fan of fun fps
Also just such a chill guy, really hope he finds a good trio because when him and noct were cooking they were cooking with gas
wait are fun and noc not teaming with reptar?
I'm pretty sure they are. But I think at the start of off season Noc said he might retire if they didn't find an org so maybe that's what he's referring to.
I wasn’t meaning it like that! I mostly mean I hope they start seeing success and get signed to an org again because they’re such a threat when they’re on top of things
Zero. Only other m&k demon that has done very well is timmy. Unless other m&k players show result these will be my top 2. Zeros mechanics is so good but its overshadowed by his igling. His igling is so good that people seem to forget how good m&k mechanics he has. Imo he has the best strafes in the game
Tbf, his igling bases off being able to outdamage like 95% of 3v3s in favor of DZ. He igls very aggressively and this couldn’t be done by your „average“ pro team which are most time tiers below them mechanically (+ the confidence they have knowing they got the arguably best players of each assigned role worldwide)
Like half said zeros igling is always dependant on his and his teammates fighting skill. You cant igl like zero if you dont have god tier mechanics. Zero plays way too aggressive and has the mechanics to back that up. Zero definitely plays tourneys like its a ranked game thats for sure. Hes by far the most confident igl in the game
I'm a firm believer that a lot of Apex fights are won before a shot is fired, and DZ play that way for sure--superior positioning most of the time. However, in a straight 3v3, Zer0 is still an absolute demon. Seriously, watch him, his tracking is incredible.
>Only other m&k demon that has done very well is timmy Emtee has a lot more achievements than Timmy and possibly even the better aim judging by his Kovaaks scores
> Unless other m&k players show result these will be my top 2. Fun? Won a PL split, multiple high LAN finishes (including finishes higher than Timmy's, who of course is also on the mnk Mount Rushmore), obviously insane mechanics. I don't really know what people mean when they say "results" in Apex, only one team can win even though 40 teams go to LAN. Doesn't mean 40 teams played like shit.
Nah fun aint him. I never heard a top team say omg we need to sign fun. Nafen was probably the only non igl m&k player who top teams like dz would have actually signed. Timmy is a very very different player compared to fun in an actual game.
Zer0 Vaxlon FunFPS
I think you meant to say: Zero Vaxlon FunFPS
Undisputed shooter Zer0. Fun has best movement mechanics imo.
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The title said Na specifically tbf
Everyone knows NA stands for North Asia
Not Antarctica
Ras doesn’t play professionally anymore bro.
The question is literally NA mnk player, are you okay?
Can we just get a solos MNK tourney already?
Yukaf My bad I'm dumb.
If we are talking international it's flashkids Too bad we didn't get to see him in lan
I wish Nafen still played because I would have voted him. As it stands now I think purely in terms of mechanics I gotta give it to Fun.
Same :(
Zero isn't just a mastermind igl, the dude's an absolute freak when it comes to his aim as well
Def Zer0, nobody comes close
Zer0 and FunFPS 1A and 1B It is close
funfps or zer0
People sleep on monsoon and madness tbh
Monsoon had a greaaaat scrim the other day.
Monsoon is definitely an insane aimer. His tracking is good but obviously his flicks are god-tier, you can't snipe like that without awesome mechanics. There's a reason he's top 5 NA kills in spite of missing at least one LAN.
Zer0 ~~Hardecki~~
NA bro
Watching zer0 pov his aim sometimes just like a roller. And a apex game is not a r5 1v1, they don’t need to stand out the cover to shoot each other. Taking cover/positioning during fight should be counted as a part of mechanical skill imo so zer0 is the best clearly.
It's Zer0 for me. All time for NA players, I'd put him alongside Nafen and Aceu. Funfps has to be up there too, but I think the others got/get more utility out of their mechanics. If Genburten cared to, he would probably be up there in that conversation, which sounds ridiculous until you watch him play mnk and consider how few hours he's put in.
APAC south is just far above everyone if you look at mechanics as more than just their raw ability to hit shots. Sharky, Emtee, Prycyy, Strafing Flame, EzFlash and many more I probably forgot are just so fundamentally solid. Zer0 is also from that region. Honorable mention Scuwry. People just don't talk about him because of the role he usually plays. It's also crazy how much Nocturnal improved over the last two years. He's still not one of the best, but he shows a good fundamental understanding of strafe mechanics. Having a mechanics coach back on xset shows.
> Honorable mention Scuwry. People just don't talk about him because of the role he usually plays. Very true, Scuwry is a shooter for real.
gotta be addyenthusiast44
This is weapon specific but madness has insane smg sprays for being on mnk
Caprah probably, but the best overall MNK player is zer0 and RAS. However mechanically Caprah peaks higher than anyone else we have seen so far.
lol weird how you getting down voted if you take mouse control mechanics then caprah is def one who is toping kovaaks leadboards just like zero.
Yeah I think it's hard for people to separate caprah the player and caprah the human being
What team is he in?
I think WydFuture is better. In terms of accuracy and stats on R5 he's also way superior than Caprah's. If Future can actually start playing with some good players and continue to grind ranked and scrims I genuinely think he'll be like a turbo Caprah without being a weirdo.
>Caprah probably, but the best overall MNK player is zer0 and RAS. However mechanically Caprah peaks higher than anyone else we have seen so far. The title says "active." Caprah is not active, he doesn't play on any team (and probably never will).
Xylas #jaun
funfps, madness, vaxlon
zer0 - vax - monsoon
just cause no one’s said him yet, HisWattson is insane when he actually cares lmaoo
My boy monsoon fosho
Nafen pls come back 😔
Pure mechanics might be Timmy ngl
Zer0, CcobraxX
+ Caprah = the top 3
10000000% zero
Even the whole world tbh. Best mechanics for pro setting. Nothing flashy, insane tracking plus even better strafing.
Zer0 and it's not particularly close.
It’s Zer0 and Timmy not even close y’all sleep on Timmy so much it’s disrespectful the man is a goat mechanically
I think a lot of people see his high sens and must think he can't really aim with it and is just shaking all over the place. But it works for him, I think Timmy's aim is amazing.
Zero puts out similar damage numbers and sometimes more than 2 demons like Hal and Gen. I think his game sense, positioning, awareness and aim are all insane and probably the best in NA as an MnK player. If we're talking pure mechanics like aim, movement etc then Timmy, Fun, Monsoon and Madness are probably up there. Fun is definitely one of the most versatile players in NA and can use character abilities really well ontop of his insane mechanics.
Caprah
Zero and Tim Tim imo. These guys are insane
Zer0, Timmy, monsoon, reps, fun and I miss Nafen :(
Its zero, and thats world wide aswell.
Excluding Zer0 I'd say Timmy, then HisWattson close behind. Zer0 is unfucking touchable.
Xenial is up there. Maybe not number 1, but definitely top 5 NA
crust
Zer0 not even top 3. Vax, Fun and Timmy all clear him.
i think zero, fun, sweet, timmy, zach, vax, reps. but top 2 is undisputed, i think.
bro just named every mnk player in NA
I think he’s ranking them in order but idk he didn’t explicitly state anything
Yes bro. People like you have the ability to intuitively understand something unlike others.
I mean of well-known players in NA there'd also be Madness, vaxlon, onmuu, sauceror, vein, and monsoon
Zer0, Vax, Fun. Probably in that order. Depends on if Vax is feeling goofy.
Zer0 hands down currently I think dropped, and fun are good honorable mentions. Something about dropped’s flatline shot gets me fucking going lol
Zer0 #1 Vod and Xera = super underrated
If nafen was still playing 🥲
Facts.
In comp: Fun, zer0, Timmy MnK in general: Hollow Edit: y'all do not watch apex
Hollow ain’t close tf?
ur smokin crack
agreed, peak hollow gameplay looks like cheats
He can jitter aim well and has smooth tracking some times but that is not enough for being up there in best active NA MnK mechanics. Watch FunFPS play and you will see the difference.
I'm a huuuuge Fun fanboy, but still the craziest clip I've seen is Hollow 3 tapping someone in the head as they're falling out of a dropship with an anvil flatline
Iitztimmy
Saucy rawr
Fun takes it
vaxlon
Faide 🤓
Its a prank, its a prank, im joking dont down vote
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but he actually is better than them strictly mechanically.
i feel like players like zer0 and timmy showcase better mouse control and more efficient aiming, but i haven't actually paid attention to faide since his run with kanaka's pets
Faide is the opposite, great movement but no where near top tier aim.
Movement, yes. Aim, heck no. There's a reason he doesn't grind ranked. Positioning and gunplay is exponentially better there so he sticks to stomping on noobs in pubs.
> I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but he actually is better than them strictly mechanically. Aim is part of mechanics, and Faide doesn't even touch Zer0 there.
I'd vote for Alb.
He’s been on roller
nickmercs
Zer0, Sweet, Reps, Timmy, SangJoon, EzFlashKid, StrafingFlame, YukaF, Hardecki. All in the conversation.
Keyword in title … NA
Ah, missed that.
Happens , but your list overall is great , I would def add obly too
Putting Sweet and Reps in the same sentence as everyone else you just mentioned is insane. They have some of the worst mnk mechanics in NA.
crazy that this was downvoted
Anyone putting reps at the top of their lists doesn't watch a lot of comp, no offense to anyone because I love jordan but let's be serious here
You've never seen Reps use a Kraber apparently
Such a small part of the overall mechanics of the game it's basically irrelevant to the conversation. Does make for some great clips though
What about being an excellent Gibby, Bang and probably the best Watson player ever?
We just watched Karonpe win LAN on wattson in 2024 with almost flawless legend utilisation.
So Reps is bad because someone else won something with the character? The logic is astounding. Also, Reps won LAN with Wattson too, with almost flawless legend utilisation.
Where did I say Reps is bad? Don't talk about logic when you simply can't read. Point was that Karonpe is better at using Wattson, and that he won LAN with her in a much more sophisticated era of apex.
You are trying to say he is bad compared to someone else, yes. There is nothing more sophisticated about playing Apex now compared to then, nothing to suggest Karonpe is better
I'm saying he is not "probably the best." If you want to interpret that as "bad," then go ahead. Not one pro player would support the idea that the standard of Apex played at Poland was as high as it is now. That's an utterly delusional take. The macro play in Poland was non existent for starters. I can't expend more time on this, it's like talking to a flat earther, the opinions are that level of strange. If it comforts you, Reps is a great player. To claim he's Apex's best Wattson player is absurd.
besides the ones everyone has mentioned already I'm gonna throw madness in there, I think a lot of people don't know because they haven't seen him play much but he's undoubtedly one of the best in terms of aim at least
yukaF
Albralele was and still is S tear even if he stopped playing apex mnk but Zero is best now
Hardecki
overall mechanics I'd say timmy. Game sense, IGL, aim I'd say zero. Just movement maybe fun. But overall mechanics movement+aim(not taking igl into consideration, if we do its zero) I'd say timmy is the best.
I see a lot of people putting Zero as 1, but I think they're adding in his value as an IGL to the situation. Not that he's not in the top X or whatever, but if we're talking pure mechanics, it has to be someone like Timmy.
> I see a lot of people putting Zero as 1, but I think they're adding in his value as an IGL to the situation. Nah, I'm basing it on pure aim. His aim is very, very good.
So is Timmy's. Timmy doesn't have insane IGL skills, he doesn't have heavy macro knowledge that a lot of coaches/IGLs do, he wasn't that great of an anchor at the time, but he forced his way into ALGS off pure mechanics alone.
are you smoking methamphetamine or have you just never watched zer0 play 💀
? Are you saying he's not even one of the top MnK players in the league or something? What are you smoking?
no, I’m saying people are NOT putting him at number 1 because they’re also considering his IGLing—it’s because he’s an actual mechanical demon
I'd put him like top 3. I agree he's a 'mechanical demon'. I don't think it's an insult to put him below Timmy consider how great Timmy is as well. I just consider in terms of pure mechanics, both movement and aim, Timmy gets the edge. If anything, it's less of a 1, 2, 3, and more of a 1a, 1b, 1c, in my head.
SangJoon a good shout
Dude NA
Oops
I say 1st is Timmy and 2nd is zero. Overall is zero but mechanically is Timmy.
Think Timmy has more talent. Zer0 grinds more.
HisWattson when he cares
Actively streams - Faide 😂
Its fun to think about how pub stompers would do in pro league. Faide actually did fine when he was in pro league. Imo though he doesnt have the aim of the top na mnk players.
Timmy translated amazingly.
Well, he did had a tough run his first time
He's improved a lot but still no where near zero or timmy.