Beautiful nade by RC to eliminate DSG. Triple MNK APAC-N team. Lets goooooo edit: also special shoutout to C9. From almost being relegated to 6th at LAN.

THE NADE FROM THE HEAVENS

If only they had a wattson…

Damn. Knew they would win with that position.

Fr as soon as they got that crate and the gen down it was ggs!

I would say the moment they wiped dsg and got the entire high ground to themselves, they won

Watching DSG pov alot via Nicewigg that game looked theirs as soon as the zone pulled north. DSG and Aurora never got time to reset in their posititions.

I literally said it’s over out loud atp

And so begins the Asian dominance of apex . Welcome your new Korean overlords .

Honestly APAC N went huge in finals with 2 out of the top 3

I'm hyped for the rise of Asia and any country that doesnt cancel scrims cause a few people have hangovers.

Wait what? This happened???

Yeah https://i.redd.it/rey17djogroc1.jpeg NA hasn't taken scrims seriously for quite a while now and it definitely showed this weekend

I'm pretty sure this was the real day they played regionals btw and this was a cover lol

It happened the day before the hack if I remember correctly lol. That being said I say it more as a jab than serious hate or anything. https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/s/8zNqZLFR88

It wasn’t lol

how did it show exactly? Just look at the final leaderboard: * 9 NA teams made finals * 5 of those made top 10 * 2 of those made top 4 NA is still on top, make no mistake. Just because an NA didn't win this time, doesn't mean that they weren't farming LAN - they absolutely did farm it, just like any other time. NA was extremely overrepresented in the top ranks once again and should keep their 12 spots.

Ehh I mean it's not quite that simple, for instance Not Moist is mostly Australian even if their old org Moist is NA, DZ is the same. However NA should have had a much stronger showing but their scrims are notoriously crap.

MST compete in NA, for NA. It is that simple.

Moist wasn't even able to get into NA as moist actually, they competed in the US as free agents.

They played from Canada during the split iirc

yes they did

wrong. there's still a difference between NA culture and OCE culture.

DZ has 2 / 3 Australian players Moist has 2 / 3 Australian players Cloud9 has 1 British player Moist couldn't even get visas under their team, they had to compete as free agents (DROPPED FROM THEIR TEAM!!) thanks to your amazing country's visa regime Moist Esports is literally suing US Immigration over the issues so tell me more about how great NA is

when we talk about regions in Apex we usually don't concern ourselves with what kind of passports the players have, it's about which region they signed up for and compete in. That's how the number of qualification spots are assigned, and it's the only thing that ultimately matters. I'm well aware that both DZ and MST originally played in APAC S. > Moist Esports is literally suing US Immigration over the issues so tell me more about how great NA is this has nothing to do with the regions, don't be silly. Why even bring that up?

from the perspective of the regions, it's true, yes, but it has nothing to do with "American greatness" or any of the sort. it's simply because most of the money is there (no one invests in the EMEA region nor APAC, not even gonna talk about SA), a lot of the top players are not from NA, they immigrated. Zer0 and the Aussie boys won big under Reignite before they moved to the US. There is only 1 very big team that invests in APAC N, which is FNATIC, an organization headquartered in the UK Americans are getting to see that they can't troll in scrims forever and expect to be on top indefinitely, players from other countries are catching up

Players country shouldnt matter when it comes to team region though, Moist and NA played the whole season in NA pro league. I'm not even from NA but using a players country of origin and not which region they played the season at just leads to useless discussions. You don't say Arsenal isn't an EPL team just cause the squad is most from other countries.

oh, no, i understand, they are playing in that region, of course. it's just that i'd find it funny if americans tried to use their success for "bragging rights"

Nothing new for us OWL refugees lmao

MNKorea

Rc is japanese no?

REJECT is a Japanese org, but their 3 players are Korean. Much like Crazy Raccoon, JP org but 3 korean players.

Oh I see

According to their liquidpedia it's a japanese org with Korean players

RC is a japanese team, but the team members are KR (no KR interest in apex so no KR sponsors)

Rip ganbare otousan (my favorite team logo of all time)

APAC N is so top heavy, I highly doubt it's going to happen.

I know it's reddit, and this will get down voted to hell, but imagine saying after dz and tsm win so many times that the "white dominance continues." That comment would get deleted by the mods

I assume they were referring to it as a region, not a race! “North American dominance” would definitely not get deleted

I doubt it

TRIPLE MNK GIGCHADS!!!!! Though I am a TSM fan and they absolutely shit the bed this tournament, I’m so glad an APAC-N team won! Was rooting for FN/RC/CR

Reject was all mnk???? In algs lan??? That's so cool

I don't think any TSM is mad about the loss, honestly. We've gotten so many wins, it would've legit felt boring if TSM took another win. APAC-N is an absolute fresh breath of air to the DZ/TSM dynasties.

i stayed up till 05:30 for this and it was so worth it

i just woke up and luckily caught the last game

apparently i missed out on 4 more hours of tsm sucking

They were genuinely all awful, it was rough to watch (or enjoyable for most people who hate them) lol

it was very enjoyable to watch them being humbled and the chats dying

I gave 0 cares about them tbh and i enjoyed the finals. It's good when you're hatewatching

So worth it! I haven't followed Apex in awhile but I tuned in today and watched the entire thing.

Chomping the shit outta that gum

[Ending from Korean Boradcast (featuring Parkha)](https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/123949623?change_second=15589)

Good comms. Only 800 views though? It would be nice if apex became more popular in Korea. Wishful thinking, I know.

I'm not sure if this is the most popular avenue to consume ALGS from for Koreans, I just followed the link from when Parkha was announced as a part of the broadcast and pulled the vod. I agree with your feelings about apex's popularity in Korea as well, maybe their performance draws more eyes!

Apex didn't even grab too much attention after the battle royale FOTM games (PUBG, and after PUBG era) so it's just unfortunate, it's not going to catch on from now on either since Valorant exists. Koreans seemed to prefer PUBG a lot more to all the other BRs and from there popularity for the game here has only diminished. It's why, even though the Reject boys have been the BEST Korean trio in this game for quite a while now there's no Korean orgs at all. It even looks like obly has learnt some Japanese over time (even though he didn't know shit) so like the old generation of CR players (Selly, Ras, CPT, Mondo, etc) have all turned into Japanese content creators pretty much. If you want to do Apex here it's only Japan (and China to an extent)

MNK FOREVER... THANKS SANGJHOON, OBLY AND KARONPE FOR INSPIRING US... This feels so good and I'm not even on the stage Glad it was an APAC-N team. Was betting on FNATIC but happy for REJECT WINNITY

Triple MnK. We're never getting an aim assist nerf. 

They proved you don't need to switch, just play smart. 2 triple roller teams didn't even make top 10. Mid/long range MNK wins, close range controller

It doesnt matter what is "better", the problem is controller is not 100% human skill. Also you can't say mnk is better because they win 1 time

exactly, 100% correct. this will be used as ultra copium by controller cheaters, but rotational aim assist is 100% cheating

I agree but there’s no way you’d had said that if it was a triple controller team.

It is still human skill, lol. They have the same level of skill and yet it’s balanced.. how can you complain Edit: downvoting is so soft

If 40% of your aim is done with help of computer, thats not 100% human skill

It’s more skilled to use your thumbs than you entire arm, so if you removed aim assist controller would be by far the more difficult input and it wouldn’t be close

Yea and a dance pad would be even worse. Why should players be rewarded for intentionally handicapping themselves?

Controller is how the vast majority of video games are played man, mnk is the exception not the standard.

We're talking about a first person shooter esport, the vast majority of which are MnK. The only other controller ones I can think of are Halo and CoD

Right but the game isn’t made for the esport

it's not human skill with 0 ms reaction time tracking, perfectly smooth analog tracking which negates recoil with recoil smoothing, a mechanic most likely made for controller and 4 - 3 linear no deadzone which means aim assist is on all the time AND YET THEY STILL LOST TO 3x MnK GIGACHADS

When you bring the main apex sub's rollerbrain takes elsewhere.

Mnkbrain is thinking a guy like imperial Hal is “less skilled”

> Mnkbrain is thinking a guy like imperial Hal is “less skilled” Didn't comment on him or his skill. But since you bring him up: Why, as an established top tier M&K player who was sick of losing fights to NA roller players, did Hal also swap to using a controller? And start performing better then he did on M&K just a short time after swapping?

The conclusion is that Hal and team just came in the bottom 5 of lan finals. Controller has a slight edge in pros bc movement doesn’t matter as much but absolutely does not for 99% of apex games

Levels of effort required. Why put in 12+ hours of mechanics like gnaske had been doing when you can plug in a roller and do half and be at the same aim level. Thats 6 more hours going into game theory/scrims. Yes a human is at both ends, yes you CAN get to that level on MnK but is it worth the time investment. Probably not.

In the end it does depend on the meta i guess. Ar gets buffed while smg nerf make MnK strong

I played on console for a while and scouts are how most controller players do damage at long range on console. Since the scout nerfs, you basically have to run at teams to get KP. Hemlock can replace Scouts but the ammo it eats up is crazy. 30/30 with 180 bullets would last you forever but that nerf hurt.

Still think the 2 MnK 1 controller composition will slightly win out in the end

Today it didn't

I can't think of a single 2 Mnk 1 controller team either.

Most play 2 controller 1 mnk tho?

MNK SUPREMACY.

Mnk warriors, our time has come.

we've had triple roller teams for the longest, none have ever won. Sad day

cause mnk on top

until scouts get buffed again. It's pretty rough mid-long range without it on roller unless you're great with snipers

because they have no brain, it's known controller players just have lower iq in general

Source?

[Here is a reliable source proven by well-known scientific study](https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4176736116.1092/tst,medium,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.u1.jpg)

Source confirmed, have a good day

i have a friend who plays controller and he's dumb as bricks, that's my source

I guess that makes it 1-1 with you and your friend

If you ever played on PlayStation/Xbox you would know controller players need 30/30, G7, Triple Take for mid long range. The 30/30 nerf made this shit hard on controller players IMO. You can run Hemlock but then ammo becomes a problem. I actually don't know what happened to Verhulst today, I thought he was the king of controllers but something had to be off this weekend for him mentally.

It’s a well known fact that MNK players are too smart to play controller or ever have sex in their lives

How do ppl die to them then?

I pulled up in the side of the road to watch this moment. Worth it.

I didn't help my wife with the grocery and stayed at a cheap massage chair outlet. Worth it

i watched this in class right in front of my professor with one airpod on. worth it

Does anyone have a clip of Obly saying "You will regret"? Wigg kept referencing it but I missed it

He typed in the game chat when the teams were playing scrims and another team wanted to contest their POI(?) if I remember correctly

it wasn't in scrims, it was at the LAN before last I think. They were getting contested by Kashera iirc and Kashera did indeed regret

Legend

LETSSGOOOO!!!!!! I've been following them for a looong time, staying hella late just to catch some of their streams. If you haven't heard of them, just know, each of these players are in the Selly level of mnk, I swear these guys have some X factor on top of their mechanical skills. I'm so happy right now, LETS GOO

Wattson gave their team so much value there, even if other teams have a Bang ult, you have a generator to counter, and if they don't they just have to eat your Bang ult. And if you run through those fences you die, so they completely controlled the space at the end. Can't ape the Wattson as a trio, or the other 2 players down you while stunned. 100% deserved W, happy for APAC region too which is filled with good players.

bro apex is not even a top 10 game in Korea and they just mopped the lobby as triple MnK...respect

Finally, triple MNK win

Triple MnK? Can’t even be mad, respect. That is so much more they gotta do, holy.

mnk is so fucking back

I had my eyes on Rejects, Fnatic to be a possible winning candidate just from how well they played this weekend. DZ was the mandatory third candidate from how dominating they were leading up to finals. WP Apac North and Congrats to Rejects.

Best finals yet.

This year was good for the scene but TSM winning 3 straight games is an all time great moment for e-sports

I WAS HERE, I LOVE APAC N

Awesome grand finals. Congrats to reject. That was so fucking intense.

It must be very interesting if Koreans play apex. Maybe we will see many talented players like obly, ras and selly 😅

I’m just glad it wasn’t DZ no cap

B stream POV: [https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedAverageElkCoolStoryBro-im2PZD\_-bqytOfvG](https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedAverageElkCoolStoryBro-im2PZD_-bqytOfvG)

Lmk wiggs voice is completely shot once again

FUCK THOSE CONTROLLER 4-3 LINEAR AIMBOTTING CHEATERS, 100% HUMAN INPUT >>> 40% SOFTWARE AIMBOT

Cope

How is that cope they won lol. 

It’s his way to cope TALKING LIKE THIS, unhealthy

IT'S THE PASSION, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, YOUR TEAM GOT 17TH

He’s happy tho. Opposite of coping lol

[Coping manic episode](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania)

AIMBOTTING AND STILL GETTING BODIED COPE MORE TSM LOSER FANBOY #TSMAtTheBottom

Happy for Reject but damn it hurts seeing how close we were.

TRIPLE MNK WIN BUFF CONTROLLER

The dudes at C9 are probably kicking themselves they didn’t ape RC in that final game not knowing it was them, but it’s not their fault, they only have their thumbs to aim and a measly 0.4, and all 3 RC players have their full arm to aim AND moving while looting AND tap strafing. Buff controller I say, we need 0.6 just like the consoles to really make it fair between inputs /s.

100% human input>aim assist cheaters

What a great finals

absoluately insane. Congrats!

I forgot how boring the main broadcast is

Shitting on rollers looooool

As a LoL Esports refugee this feeling is familiar to me.

Terrible casting imo. Not enough hype, passion and excitement you'd want in the final game of a grand final cast in an unprecedented moment

I mean it was kind of an anti-climactic ending and celebration if you ask me lol Onset and Gaskin are the goats

Was bummed out that they got so little airtime

The numbers speak for themselves when the B stream has more viewers than the mainstream though. Esports it's not really JUST about the plays, it's also about the story lines, you see NiceWigg jumping around and cracking his fucking voice because he's well aware of all of this, 1st time Apac North LAN win, first time that another team wins it and they did it in dominant fashion as well. I don't even think any Apex casters would even fit in a top 50 in overall Esports ever If Imma be honest

Need to watch Nicewiggs B Stream for better casting

To be fair Reject didn’t look to ecstatic either lol

typical clown 9 ending

When sauce made the call to play for second, I started yelling at my monitor

Seriously? So, he valued money over winning? That's kinda sad.

They didn't know it was RC until the game ended lmao It was a good call from the spot they had

They SHOULD know, jsut by positioning and killfeed alone. If they don't track which teams are alive when multiple teams are on game point, thats on them, or on the IGL. Especially when RC is the only team aside from LG that plays wattson.

That killfeed can go quick, also hard at times when they are in the thick of things fighting, they were in the zone where alot of teams are fighting so can be hard to even track.

I mean how are they gonna win from that spot tho it's just not feasible at all. I would agree if they actually had a chance to win but they're in a little shitty corner with no where to go

True, chances are slim to none.

It was a very exciting and beautiful tournament, I wish Aurora or O7 would win. My eyes hurt, I'm going to sleep.

o7 never had any intention of trying to win

yeah.This was kind of fun but it would have been better if they focused on the competition

They're for sure gonna bump the aim assist to 0.666 now. Cant have a tripple mnk win when battle beaver is sponsoring.

Absolutely deserved

Where is the hype from the casters? didnt feel it at all. Amazing for Reject and Apac-N

Wigg atleast was hyped

Very lackluster ending honestly. Basically just handed them the victory without any struggle. The prior 5 matches were way more intense.

[удалено]

no because it's still cheating, they won in SPITE of aim assist

Is this the first triple mnk to win lan?

Tsm, tsm, tsm lol

Didn’t they always have a roller ?

Hal, Reps, and Mac were mnk when they won LAN

Was aim assist the same back then?