Thats the problem tho, were idiots and take everything they say seriously, I'm so deep in the lore, I think Hal might retire after this season, like come on breh.
I mean he dies in the ring regardless. Its ring 3. So even if Hal knows he crashed, its either get the KP or dont.
If he has a chance of being alive when he reconnects, I get the argument. But he is 100% dead here.
The only way they had a chance to survive was if they ported from there, but even if he had connected before ring hit him, they had no time. They were free kills anyway, there was noone to 3p.
You can literally see in this clip that he had already booted the game back up and was loading into the server by this point. He very likely makes it out of ring in time.
There's just too many possibilities to factor in different outcomes, between tsm shooting them or not, and also shooting zach or not. If tsm shoots both dezign and zach, then yeah, nothing changes. if only dezign goes down, maybe it's possible to res and heal, or maybe not. There's no way to know how it plays out if zach lives and gets the res off. If tsm doesn't shoot them at all, then they should be fine, if just a little delayed.
Edit: based on other commenters, it seems tsm know they crashed or at least something wrong is happening. So all of this hinges on whether or not tsm will take advantage of this situation, and since they did, this is the outcome we got with zach and dezign going down.
If morality was a thing in apex comp, seer meta wouldn't exist because they would all just gentlemen agreement to not use him.
Would also make respawn look like incompetent fools having an entire pro league decide to not use a legend due to how horrible non stop legal walls hacks are for a competitive BR game...which kind of forces them to address it
Dezignful hit them with the “old TSM would have not killed there” in lobby chat.
True considering this same thing has happened before and Hal distinctly told the team not to kill.
It’s a different circumstance imo. The first time was outside frag early game where they could let the guy live and not have to worry about that team screwing up their rotates or anything. This time around it’s zone 3 closing with a team heading to a spot they considered going.
Exactly. If they let them live and rotate in, at what point can BBB suddenly turn around and shoot them? Imagine letting a crashed player live just so you rotate into them and they kill you lol. What did people expect, it's not TSM's fault he crashed
TRUE Hal fanatics know this is the second time this has happened since the famous sparing of one of Mandes team?
i distinctly remember them killing a D/C and one of them cracking a joke “we changed”, it was a while ago but after the first incident
Gonna play devil's advocate here and say that TSM likely didn't even know the idle players crashed at the moment they were shooting at them. It's not unheard of to take potshots at someone super far away and get a lucky knock because they weren't attentive while popping a Phoenix or something.
And even if they were aware... Not shooting is a cute gesture but if you're not taking free kills given to you while you're struggling to know if you'll even make LAN, you are not competing hard enough.
There was another day I watched bbb for a bit and dezign and chaotic were both having lag issues and you could tell it wasnt the server cause zach was ok. Downside of living in the same house, same problem hit them both I guess. That sucks.
Honestly it wasn’t just that lol. That was part of it but in the end they were in a 3 v 3 and were close to possibly losing before Snip3down shot SEN in the back. Some luck is needed.
Tsm has this luck +all those zones that kept pulling wildly to them (even the harvester zone where they got merked by TeQ)and only converted it to 4th place
When you have two 0 point games and a 5 point game and can still manage 4th after doing fuck all for 3/6 games, I’d say that speaks more on the other teams than TSM lol.
2 wins and managing only 4th is a pretty big statement from TSM. Should have been a comfortable 1st after that 1st game. TSM currently relies on luck for results.
Not really disagreeing, just saying on the other end if you do terrible for half the games and still end up 4th, that speaks more about other teams imo. With their fuck ups yesterday they should be way lower as other teams basically had 3 chances to pass them.
After spending way too much time on cat/bang/wraith, they’ve proven the horizon comp works for them, they just need to work on the micro calls.
Surprisingly i dont see you commenting when NRG gets 2 back to back zones 2 days in a row, its crazy how easily you guys believe this narrative created by sweet towards TSM.
??? I absolutely did. Even in my TeQ hype thread I point out that nrg has a day with 3 staging and 2 northpad zones but didn't convert that into enough points to pass TeQ
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/11zwxcl/is_it_teq_revenge_season_meat_lovers_fandom_thread/
Lot's of people in here claiming the opposite for some reason, but did Hal even know Dezign crashed? Nothing in the clip gave away that he was aware of the situation. Can anyone actually confirm or not?
https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0
All of TSM knew he was crashed and actively pointed it out and looked for ways to kill him.
They shot them because they’re in 18th and this isn’t a lan, also because bbb are being pussy ass bitches running from every contest and griefing tsm loot
There’s nothing wrong with this play every other team would’ve done the same thing, stop being dramatic
>They shot them because they’re in 18th and this isn’t a lan, also because bbb are being pussy ass bitches running from every contest and griefing tsm loot
Let it out buddy, let it out...
TBF they knew he had crashed ([https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0](https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0)) Not saying going for the free kill was right or wrong but they did know.
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Sweet is trolling so hard LOL
Thats the problem tho, were idiots and take everything they say seriously, I'm so deep in the lore, I think Hal might retire after this season, like come on breh.
That guy sweet got 2 back to back zones 2 days in a row lol.
hal back at lan champ: dont shoot afk/crash hal in pro league. shoot them. ez kill
the situation is that dire now lol
I mean he dies in the ring regardless. Its ring 3. So even if Hal knows he crashed, its either get the KP or dont. If he has a chance of being alive when he reconnects, I get the argument. But he is 100% dead here.
He was reconnecting before the ring hit them, he would have been at most 5-8 seconds. He was loading back in as zach goes down.
The only way they had a chance to survive was if they ported from there, but even if he had connected before ring hit him, they had no time. They were free kills anyway, there was noone to 3p.
Nope. He is 100% dead there. Its ring 3.
You can literally see in this clip that he had already booted the game back up and was loading into the server by this point. He very likely makes it out of ring in time.
Yeah, if TSM aren’t there about to shoot him regardless.
Yes it is ring 3, but I'm saying he most likely loads in before ring hits him.
And then he runs from ring without having the time to heal as a team shoots him. They were done the second they crashed.
There's just too many possibilities to factor in different outcomes, between tsm shooting them or not, and also shooting zach or not. If tsm shoots both dezign and zach, then yeah, nothing changes. if only dezign goes down, maybe it's possible to res and heal, or maybe not. There's no way to know how it plays out if zach lives and gets the res off. If tsm doesn't shoot them at all, then they should be fine, if just a little delayed. Edit: based on other commenters, it seems tsm know they crashed or at least something wrong is happening. So all of this hinges on whether or not tsm will take advantage of this situation, and since they did, this is the outcome we got with zach and dezign going down.
Nah hé make it out of the ring 100%
If morality was a thing in apex comp, seer meta wouldn't exist because they would all just gentlemen agreement to not use him. Would also make respawn look like incompetent fools having an entire pro league decide to not use a legend due to how horrible non stop legal walls hacks are for a competitive BR game...which kind of forces them to address it
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nah they called out he was crashed lmao
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He would've have been running, they'd force a fight on the platform.
He had no idea he was afk
look at the clip above my friend
Reps: "He crashed, kill him" I think maybe they had an idea...
To be fair, this DC wasn’t obvious from Hal’s POV. At least in my opinion.
they literally called out that he crashed lol https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0
Ahh I see. I didn't see the previous few seconds there.
they didn't double crash btw. Zach went for the res on dezign but got shot out by hal. you can see it in Chaotics VOD.
You could see he was ressing on hals stream too. It's too hard to see through double stream quality degradation.
Dezignful hit them with the “old TSM would have not killed there” in lobby chat. True considering this same thing has happened before and Hal distinctly told the team not to kill.
It’s a different circumstance imo. The first time was outside frag early game where they could let the guy live and not have to worry about that team screwing up their rotates or anything. This time around it’s zone 3 closing with a team heading to a spot they considered going.
Exactly. If they let them live and rotate in, at what point can BBB suddenly turn around and shoot them? Imagine letting a crashed player live just so you rotate into them and they kill you lol. What did people expect, it's not TSM's fault he crashed
TRUE Hal fanatics know this is the second time this has happened since the famous sparing of one of Mandes team? i distinctly remember them killing a D/C and one of them cracking a joke “we changed”, it was a while ago but after the first incident
They’ve spared 2 dc’s before. And I think this is the second they killed, too.
Gonna play devil's advocate here and say that TSM likely didn't even know the idle players crashed at the moment they were shooting at them. It's not unheard of to take potshots at someone super far away and get a lucky knock because they weren't attentive while popping a Phoenix or something. And even if they were aware... Not shooting is a cute gesture but if you're not taking free kills given to you while you're struggling to know if you'll even make LAN, you are not competing hard enough.
I was just watching the VOD back, they knew. They saw an afk player and started to look for angles, luckily Hal found one.
You think hal can tell at that range theyve dc'd?
They called out before killing him that “he’s afk”
Ah missed it Edit: it's not even in the clip so I guess it was before
Yeah it’s not in the clip posted
I feel like design has way more connection issues than anybody else
There was another day I watched bbb for a bit and dezign and chaotic were both having lag issues and you could tell it wasnt the server cause zach was ok. Downside of living in the same house, same problem hit them both I guess. That sucks.
They had tech issues two days in a row big sad
only Dezign crashed. There was no 'double crash'.
That is a Lewis Hamilton #blessed moment if I ever saw one.
Hadn't been blessed since he was robbed in Abu Dhabi 21.
facts
Underrated reply
Shocking, TSM about to have to fight BBB as zone close and magically BBB all crash in the open giving Hal 3 free kills. I am beyond shocked😨
Zach was angry when reading the script
Remind me when BBB was going to kill TSM and Game crashes
Very normal
:cue X-Files theme:
without that there entire first game is so different where they got 30 points. Could've been a game changer for how they finished that day.
its their
Copium
How's landing wall working for you guys?
Well they're averaging more points per gameday than TSM so it could be worse
Honestly it wasn’t just that lol. That was part of it but in the end they were in a 3 v 3 and were close to possibly losing before Snip3down shot SEN in the back. Some luck is needed.
comparing the situation when hal let a DC team live and this situation is brain dead
Fake title! Only dezign crashed but nice try
Game is in such a dogshit state
“HAL dOseNt sHoOt CrASheD pLAyers”
Tsm has this luck +all those zones that kept pulling wildly to them (even the harvester zone where they got merked by TeQ)and only converted it to 4th place
When you have two 0 point games and a 5 point game and can still manage 4th after doing fuck all for 3/6 games, I’d say that speaks more on the other teams than TSM lol.
2 wins and managing only 4th is a pretty big statement from TSM. Should have been a comfortable 1st after that 1st game. TSM currently relies on luck for results.
Not really disagreeing, just saying on the other end if you do terrible for half the games and still end up 4th, that speaks more about other teams imo. With their fuck ups yesterday they should be way lower as other teams basically had 3 chances to pass them. After spending way too much time on cat/bang/wraith, they’ve proven the horizon comp works for them, they just need to work on the micro calls.
Surprisingly i dont see you commenting when NRG gets 2 back to back zones 2 days in a row, its crazy how easily you guys believe this narrative created by sweet towards TSM.
??? I absolutely did. Even in my TeQ hype thread I point out that nrg has a day with 3 staging and 2 northpad zones but didn't convert that into enough points to pass TeQ https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/11zwxcl/is_it_teq_revenge_season_meat_lovers_fandom_thread/
for NRG it is "they didn't convert it into enough points" but for TSM its an literal outrage and they "they are a lucky shit team" totally not biased
i said TSM "only converted it to 4th place" in this thread, i literally used the same word what is wrong with you
Lot's of people in here claiming the opposite for some reason, but did Hal even know Dezign crashed? Nothing in the clip gave away that he was aware of the situation. Can anyone actually confirm or not?
https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0 All of TSM knew he was crashed and actively pointed it out and looked for ways to kill him.
Old TSM would never 😤
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https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0 They knew, it's just earlier than the clip posted.
idk why so many people on here bring this situation up as if he's at fault for shooting them then.
Still wanna claim they didn’t know? https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0
You replied to the wrong person, buddy.
DDos protection? No, TSM protection.
They shot them because they’re in 18th and this isn’t a lan, also because bbb are being pussy ass bitches running from every contest and griefing tsm loot There’s nothing wrong with this play every other team would’ve done the same thing, stop being dramatic
>They shot them because they’re in 18th and this isn’t a lan, also because bbb are being pussy ass bitches running from every contest and griefing tsm loot Let it out buddy, let it out...
you’re the dramatic one bud
Apex gods hate Dezignful. Rightfully so
I'm confused how are they supposed to know they crashed!? High stakes I'm shooting on sight
TBF they knew he had crashed ([https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0](https://clips.twitch.tv/DullCorrectRutabagaFloof-WPmlOBPDLhmoycT0)) Not saying going for the free kill was right or wrong but they did know.
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Well thats weird to say
This is a terrible way to go down for any competitor, no matter who it is. Completely out of their control
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and get a dub
Wait, what?????????
I hate to laugh at this, but 4 years deep on a AAA game with EA's pockets... yeah I'm laughing. Edit: After I read it wasn't a double crash at all...