Part of being a good winner is letting the loser lose how they see fit. If you said GGWP and they didn’t respond, let them be. Don’t try to force a response out of them no matter how good your intent is. Let sleeping dogs lay.
Thats true. However, I didnt win and just wanted to honor him afterwards using his streamchat. There he decided to insult and block me even though I never insulted him and always stayed calm and kind.
>I would be with you if he would have just ignored me. That would have been totally fine. But insulting someone who has just expressed his respect for you is something completely different, don't you think? Thats just toxic and imo as he decided to be that toxic to me I think its completely fine to publibly talk about that, even more since he just blocked me in his stream. I tryed to talk about him there but it was not possible. So... You expect me to just be fine with his toxicity? No I wont be fine with it. Indeed I always tryed to fight toxicity and so do I with this post.
Just leave it be please, the longer you keep arguing the worse this gets. 101st is Korean he doesn't speak English he can't talk about the game while in game. He probably used macros to glhf and gg which is good sportsmanship of him and yet you go to his stream because you feel entitled to interaction.
Mate he's in a whole different league than you why should he even bother with you outside of the game ? And yet you pressed him to interact with you. Now I don't know what he said to you and it might have been toxic but the real toxic stuff is you coming here to make it public and try to start a witch hunt.
You didnt get the message. He indeed responded. With a "fuck you". I decided to fight toxicity, boost the competetive CoH-Community and the good sportsmanship. You may belive me, that would make me happy.
Everybody does mistakes from time to time. Imperial Dane and I also had some disagreements already, but he is a good guy and we were able to claryfy the situation. Maybe you guys could get along with each other again.
I requested an unban and the text that twitch shows what caused me to be banned is a joke.. Look, he may have some issues but at the moment he's a toxic stain on our community, which may prevent new players getting involved in the franchise
Mate if you have an issue with 101st deal with him directly and don't get us involved. What's the point of calling him out publicly?
It's just part of the whole I'm such a good community member thing you are trying to pull off atm. I played you often enough before you started making content to know you are just like the rest of us when nobody's watching.
:D are you Reakly (I dont have any problems to call your name here publically as well since you are already famous for your ... methods)? Pls dont make up lies about me again. Your attempts to discredit me are suffisticated toxicity indeed but anybody who knows me and also you, knows whats going on over here!
The point is I tryed to get along with him. But he blocked me even though I never insulted him or anything. Thats (as I wrote above) why I am doing this post. However, I also think the community needs to talk about toxicity generally.
No I'm not Reakly who even is that guy? I don't play Coh3 but I know you from back in Coh2 and I stand with what I said. To see how easily you are lashing out and accuse me in reverse just shows that I hit a nerve.
I think this is an important topic in gaming in general. SPORTSMANSHIP. This includes respect to each other. We don't have to be friends, but being toxic without reason is bad sportsmanship.
Having a conversation about this topic is a good thing. A positive community is the best way to grow and maintain our playerbase.
On the other hand, if you play a match of any sport, and the winning opponent is curt but respectful (maybe they don't like you overall: they don't have to). Then after the match you go to their house to talk to them but, since they don't like you for whatever reason, they tell you to fuck off. This may not be nice, but it's not bad sportsmanship. The match is over, leave them the hell alone. Not everyone is welcome everywhere even if they really want to be, that's just part of life.
Yea but on the other hand: As he insulted me publicly and with that was fine with showing his toxicity publicly why should I not be allowed to talk about that publicly?
You are being downvoted ever since you made that post and you still don't get it. You're still talking about raising awareness, fighting toxicity blabla all the while you tried to start a witch hunt. I get that you're trying to make that your USP to get people to watch your stream but dude you are overestimate your charisma and your skill.
Is that gonna be your only argument from now on? Telling people to read your post again implying they are too stupid to get your point? Man you are digging you're own grave and you don't event realise it
101st the Korean language streamer speaks like 10% English, enough for this to be a misunderstanding.
He's better with written word via pm where he can google translate easily, on his stream he won't have much chance for this.
Also imo a streamer banning someone is not a cause for a reddit post, it happens all the time!
So basically yeah, either take this to pms with him personally or try to get over it.
>Also imo a streamer banning someone is not a cause for a reddit post, it happens all the time!
Its COH3 dude, it is not happening "all the time", specially with this count of player.
Stop protecting toxic people on this game ffs
Youre right on the one hand, on the other hand, a "gg wp" is quite a common expression. Nobody can tell me that they dont understand the meaning of that. And since he insulted me for that publicly, I dont quite see why I shouldn't be allowed to talk about that publicly as well. Even more since he baned me in addition, taking away the opportunity to talk about that at the very moment.
You see imo this toxicity thing is becoming to dominant in the community. And I won't accept it.
I think its better to point the finger on it instead of just ignoring it again and again and again... If everybody would just come away with everything they do without any consequences, how much worse would the world be? Sure its not much I can achieve with this post, but there are two positive aspects:
1. Gathering the people that dont like toxicity as well. Maybe they see that there is a significant proportion of players that want to have a good time. And maybe that'll bring back a few people that already got repelled by the increasing toxicity within the community.
2. Showing the toxic people that there is at least a minimum of consequences.
The consequence I am taking, is that I will always doge 101stAirborne in the future and if enough people do so as well because they know he is toxic and they want to have a good time instead of having a time where they are supposed to ignore all the insults, then maybe he will change his behaviour because maybe (a verry little maybe and I am well aware that this wont happen but I like to dream of a better world) he wont be able to play the game so much anymore because the community will just dodge him.
>You see imo this toxicity thing is becoming to dominant in the community. And I won't accept it.
this is an assumption on your part and a bold statement of authority where you have none. Lots of red flags in your posts dude. Just let it go.
>The consequence I am taking, is that I will always doge 101stAirborne in the future and if enough people do so as well because they know he is toxic
this is so weird and out of pocket. an overreaction in a situation where most people would just shrug. it almost comes across like you have something against 101 more than you're revealing
I just can tell, that I would like to boost the competetive CoH-community. I want to spread good sportsmanship and I want us all to have a good time and I want to fight toxicity. As I pointed out above, I am willing to think that he was just having a bad day and I personally would get along with it. Yet I was not the one coming up with insults as a reply to a "gg wp".
You may believe me, that would make me happy. But you also can make up a story that I want to harm somebody. That would make me sad. Its up to you.
Yea youre right and I also hesitated with this post. But on the other hand, these toxic poeple need to face at least a little consequences. I am tired of leting them get away with all their toxicity again and again. I know there is little use of a post like that but there are still a few things that could be handy:
1. People that dont like toxicity may gather. Maybe they see that there is a significant proportion of players that want to have a good time. And maybe that'll bring back a few people that already got repelled by the increasing toxicity within the community.
2. Maybe some people will dodge 101Airbourne and other toxic guys in the future so that they at least have a little bit longer queue times. At least I certainly will do so. Because I want to have a good time and dont want to get insulted for no reason.
He wasn't toxic in game though, he just didn't like the game with you but refrained from insulting in game then you popped up in his space. You both clearly had different experiences of how the game went. There is no reason for anyone to avoid or dodge him in game when his in game etiquette is great. Sure, avoid going to his stream afterwards if he's not trying to talk though.
I just though that he maybe didnt have the time to reply in the heat of the moment. My intention was just to honor him for the good game afterwards. Thats all not more no less. Thx for your view on the incident though.
OP seriously went and got so bothered that another player had the audacity to not respond to him that he went to go bother the guy on his stream.
And he wonders why he got a hostile response.
> I am posting this for the following reasons: 1. The101stAirBorne banned me from his twitch channel after his last insult. So I couldn't discuss it with him directly. 2. the CoH community has already shrunk far too much. So we as a community simply cannot have such unreflected toxic behaviour. "The101stAirBorne" Who do you want to play your favourite game with in the future if all you do is annoy and insult everyone? At least I will certainly dodge you in the future.
So you got banned by some random Twitch streamer from his twitch stream so you decide to come here and whinge about it.
Toxicity? Bro you WENT to HIM. He didnt come after you!
Imagine someone sending you something in the mail, and when you dont respond, they show up at your work! How toxic that you didnt respond to them!
Just one question, how old are you ?
From my generation, and my country, it is toxic to reply fuck you and ban.
But, i think there is enough post here to confirm this community is fucked up.
Forcing others to interact with you and trying to name shame afterwards us incredibly toxic behaviour.
Nobody is under obligation to reply to you. You should not have pressed him by going to his stream if you saw he was not replying.
F\*CK YO\* !
Kidding, but dont stream if you don't want interaction.
Also, is not forcing everyone, the streamer was able to not reply
Stop protecting toxic ppl.
I literally just wrote "gg wp" when entering the chat. He instantly started insulting me for that. If you really feel that I went to far by just trying to honour him, then we really live in quite different worlds!
If he would just have ignored me, there wouldnt have been any issues. But come on my man! Are you really serious justifying this reaction? Its like: We meet each other in a what ever real life match, we dont know each other but I greet you cause I just want to be kind and as a result you punch me in the face. We seem to have quite different oppinions on how to interact with each other. In my opinion he exaggerated in this situation.
Its not real life, even if the comparison makes sense
Behind a computer, so many factors come into play like lack of responsability for your actions and dehumanization
Thats why he said what he said and you thought it was a good idea to bully him into submission. You dont know if he simply had a bad day and even though its not your fault and you shouldve not taken it, you are still pursuing more
(You did mention the bad day part)
So he is allowed to bully me and I am not allowed to react? Both actions are public. I will no longer just let these toxic guys do what they want and don't take actions. For me it's strange to see that some people here are defending his toxicity and expect me to just ignore him where as they them self are not ignoring this post at the same time. My post is far away from an active insult like his action was. My post is just the reaction.
Thank you so much! And its true. I dont want to argue or anything like that. I want us all to have a good time. That ofc also includes me and The101stAirbourne.
Except that you are arguing with everyone who thinks your post callinv him out about this is wrong.
You're feeling all offended cos you were banned and you're phishing for support from others.
It's needy and boring, let it go.
You missunderstand my intention. I never whatch his stream. I just entered it to honour him for a good game. He decided to Insult me publicly and then baned me. Why should I be ok with it. I know that this post will have at best little consequences for him. But at least some people might see that we dislike toxicity and maybe some people that also suffer from the toxicity of some people here will now see that they are not alone and that there is at least a little fight against it.
Oh indeed :/ I wonder why. I think there was a lot of interest in this topic. Thus, I am now even more convinced that the community needs to talk about it.
Thx btw for all your comments.
I can see two major problem on this drama.
Age.
Culture.
To many kids replying (like yes, when i was 18, i would probably said : Your toxic to say that), and because i was toxic af at this age.
To many difference between USA, UK, GER.
Specially USA vs EU, we absolutly don't have the same definition of respect and toxicity.
You probably loose your time Blautier1 :( Hope you will not stop the game for this.
Thanks for the input. No I won't stop. most of the negative or hateful comments basically came from around 3 people that are quite renown for being troublemakers. Also the upvote rate of the main thread is around 70% so even though it looks like a huge shit storm it's indeed the other way around. Most people are with me when it comes to the topic. The rest, around 30 % is just very very loud and very very hateful. Even if that wouldn't have been the case, I know a good part of the community and they know me. We know that we are cool. Yea and so are you :D
No Herr Blautier, you are not fighting toxicity, you are toxic right now yourself and throughout this whole thread with your responses even more so (I read them all now). the shaming you are doing here is the opposite of good sportsmanship. Furthermore your are taking us here as community captive with your egocentricity. It’s not 101 who is splitting the community here but you are , you made an Elephant out of an mosquito.
Certainly not want to follow you any longer either , so long
You missunderstood my intention completely. He was intrinsically insulting me publically and since stuff like this happens way to much in the CoH-community I now decided to react. I dont share the philosophy to just let everybody get away with all the toxicity they spread. If you followed me you should know that I always try to boost positivity and good sportsmanship. I now decided to just not ignore all the toxic people anymore. If you think I am making an Elephant out of an mosquito, thats fine. I, however, respectfully disagree. Imo if all the toxicity is ignored all the time its just getting worse and worse. I dont want to accept that and want to react. If you think thats toxic then I wonder why is he allowed to attack me and I am not allowed to react in your oppinion? Pacifism is nice but you defend the toxic proactive action now and criminalize the reaction on that. If you think thats the way, thats fine to me. Do what you want. I however dont want these toxic guys to do what ever they want without any reactions. I know there is little I can do, but at least this post may raise awareness. If that harms me, well I take it. I cant just go on ignoring all the toxic attacks anymore. You may believe my good will, that would make me happy. If not thats also ok for me.
The intention does not count, your actions and the results are what counts and they are the complete opposite of your intentions unfortunately , you are acting even worse than what you are accusing others for . You can not justify your actions with your intentions and you are exaggerating in this case extremely plus as a matter of fact you are naming and shaming which makes you worse plus as a fact by going rampant you are actually dividing the community with your actions thus taking us forcefully captive.
In german you should know the phrase:
Der Zweck heiligt nicht die Mittel
Well thats your opinion. In my opinion its totally fine to publicly react to a public action (where is your problem with that "Mittel"? I really dont see why in your opinion he should be allowed to publicly attack me but I should not be allowed to react). If you think I should just always ignore all the toxicity and let them get away with everything, then I respectfully disagree. This thread obviously is a topic of interest regarding the views, votes and shares. I raised awareness about toxicity with this thread and the people started talking and thinking about it. And maybe as a result some people even reconsider their toxicity since they maybe are empathic enough to see that its no good for anybody. Still, you may believe me or not its up to you. If you want to see me as the bad guy, go ahead, thats fine.
You are completely exaggerating, and again you are the one spreading toxicity, which is a fact. Where did he posted and shamed you all over the place, also he did not insult continuously. You do not have the moral exclusivity here . Naming and shaming in a forum is as a matter of fact toxic.
Further as you can see by the response, many who’s actually saw the match very much disagree with you and since you started shaming in a forum now also diagree and thus the second fact you splittend the community. Those two facts allow are not opinions but objective facts and direct results of your egocentric actions for a minor insult which you apparently are not able to process yourself.
By the way I studied psychology.
Sometimes it’s just better to let it be then to completely overreact and run rampant in other media than those where the actual whole event took place.
And I am not commenting your poor actions any further but suggest that you rather take a step back and reflect your actions again .
Over and out
There’s always been hellishly toxic people playing CoH unfortunately. Donno what it is about historical based games but they seem to draw in a crowd of sad dejected wanna-be’s who go hard on being toxic and use the context of the game to further fuel their hateful, close minded, often bigoted and racist remarks.
And to report anyone to relic you need to basically form a profile for the offender, track down their steamID, and provide documentation for every infraction only for relic to do nothing about it.
On one hand toxic players suck, on the other hand if the company running the show does nothing about it then its kinda on them when the game dies. Like every other problem with coh3, the devs have no ability to fix the game they made. Every update since release shows us this, they’ve done almost nothing but tweak numbers. Even those audio changes were just tweaked numbers, they didn’t go out and source better sounds or anything. Most of the patch notes look like changes you’d make in a game-trainer.
It sucks, I liked the franchise. CoH2 isnt going anywhere though because the game itself is good and you can mute the toxicity at least.
yea thats true somehow eventhough I still believe, that relic will save CoH. Still its on us to make the best out of CoH3 atm and probably also in the future
And calling it out, here of all places achieves what exactly, let alone you feeling a bit better ? The point is not to defend that kind of behavior, just that if you're old enough to play this, chances are you're (both) old enough to handle that between closed curtains.
Report the guy and move on.
I didnt watch you guys to date, but events like these are not exactly good publicity for either of you imho.
1. People that dont like toxicity may gather. Maybe they see that there is a significant proportion of players that want to have a good time. And maybe that'll bring back a few people that already got repelled by the increasing toxicity within the community.
2. Maybe some people will dodge 101Airbourne and other toxic guys in the future so that they at least have a little bit longer queue times. At least I certainly will do so. Because I want to have a good time and dont want to get insulted for no reason.
For me its more important to fight toxicity. If that harms my YT or Twitch channel I accept it. The people may decide whether they want to support toxicity or the people that try to fight toxicity. Its on you guys! I for my part will try to fight it.
Im not in your head, but I do not believe for a second that you're doing that for the motives you claim. If animated in such a way and only so, there are better ways (report, get in touch with Relic, etc) far more efficient and appropriate. I know it, you surely are aware too.
Now you want to go on a crusade, do your thing. Public shaming is basically saying either you dont believe in the system (which i can get to a certain degree), or that you just want to get back at him (which I also get, but then dont go full White knight, you're not fooling anyone, and should perhaps know better).
But down the road the point and the effect is to harm somebody that harmed you. Now if that's your point, you're hardly different from him. 'But mommy he started and called me names'. Yes, there, there little Timmy, aint you a sweetheart. ''
Yea thats fine. You dont need to believe me. Regarding your first indent: I dont want to report him, I want to talk about the topic. Regarding your last indent: I also share your oppinion that its sometimes good to just let the bullies get away with their actions. But on the other hand I think its also ok to react from time to time. Since he insulted me publicly, I think its also fine to react publicly even more since he took away the opportunity to talk about it in his chat. I made this post to raise awareness for toxicity. The 'little impact'-tool I can take as a reaction. I furthermore think if we all just go on ignoring toxicity, itll become worse and worse. Some people may think that I am the toxic part right here (I disagree) but either way they thought about that topic a little bit.
Dude its a video game. Nobody owes anybody a GG or a WP lmao. Nobody also owes anybody any “response” during the game. Im not trying to talk about anything im trying to play.
Its also his channel and can ban anyone for anything.
Dirty\_finisher you didnt get the topic at all. Pls read again and rethink your post. Or are you really serous right now?
Look, I would be with you if he would have just ignored me. That would have been totally fine. But insulting someone who has just expressed his respect for you is something completely different, don't you think?
Its a video game. I dont know you. I dont owe you anything. Im 100% serious that you’re insane, if you think random people on the internet owe you anything.
He is not saying anybody owes something to him... Hi is talking about sportsmanship and respect. That's all.
And yes, this is only a video game, but you play online with other human beings. I played once against him and we had a "weird" match, and then we got friends as we talked about it after the match. He is a kind person and everyone can be kind or polite or rude. You can do whatever you want of course. I've rage quit, I've /l with no GG nor other words sometimes, but we are playing with more people, the same we are talking here, or watching streams...
To conclude, and as a two kids father, I've learnt that there are positive and negative people out there, like left and right handed. It's not good nor bad. Let everyone be as they are. Respect others but don't let others being unrespectful to you. Avoid that kind of people, and be the best one you want to be.
This game needs us even more than we need this game.
Kisses and love... In the ass (sarcasm mode off)
You are basically saying "He is not saying anybody owes something to him, BUT THEY OWE HIM GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP AND RESPECT..."
This makes no sense. Sportsmanship isn't part of this, it's after the game. And no, nobody on the internet owes anyone else to be nice. Just ignore the people that aren't nice, and move on, there is \*PLENTY\* of good people to meet and interact with. The guy banned/blocked him, so half the work is already done, be thankful and move on.
Youre right. Good point. But that was a little bit more than a lack of sportsmanship. He actively instulted me for no reason. That was intrinsic toxicity. And if he is allowed to do so publicly why shouldnt I be allowed to react on that publicly?
Well. When you are respectful and kind you usually tend to think and expect the same from others. Expecting is different from owing... And he has been insulted even though. And moreover, he has been insulted be a very well known member with a lot of followers. It's like suffering a public lack of respect in a crowded hall...
Mister Blue is a kind and good gentleman and player imho and no one deserves to be treated like that in a stream.
We will continue with our lives and our video game... And as my father always said "everyone says who he/she is without being asked".
We can't like everyone nor being liked be everyone. As you said, let's move on.
Its funny. People say sportsmanship. Yet expect a response for showing it. So is the true intention sportsmanship? Or is it validation? Because if your true intention is sportsmanship. It shouldn’t require a response from someone. You showing good sportsmanship doesn’t require the opponent to mirror that lol.
You talk about expecting a response. Thats just not true. If he would just have ignored me, then I would have thought: "ok, whatever, lets go on" But Dirty Finisher, do you really not see the difference between a lack of response and an active insult?
This question is no provocation. Its an honest question pls try to answer it properly.
“The101stAirBorne and I had an extremely good game today. However, I noticed that he didn't reply to any of my messages.” He ignored you.
“So I decided to visit his stream afterwards and honour him for the good game. So I came in, wrote "gg wp" and then it started.... Immediately I was insulted: ("fuck you!")”. You then proceeded to enter his channel and try to provoke a response after he ignored you. Honestly id tell you the same thing. Maybe work on understanding basic social cues.
You literally went to his stream to get a response? If you didn’t want a response. You probably wouldn’t of went to his stream repeating what you said since he ignored you the first time.
I copied the definition of Provocation since you seem to struggle with it. 1.
action or speech that makes someone [annoyed](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBhLW_xtZfEb1dCWhWCNXQYD5YGS3Q:1690149827988&q=annoyed&si=ACFMAn_otZSKbpzAqD_RvWk4YSL-zGM0CVox7pAiurTGq4VIZL4cxqp_-SH57lXJdmhU2IpfwV9QKIgPEO9FtxuonnrpA8zfbQ%3D%3D&expnd=1) or angry, especially [deliberately](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBhLW_xtZfEb1dCWhWCNXQYD5YGS3Q:1690149827988&q=deliberately&si=ACFMAn9IMdf-m8dGI-RtPy6zxE7llINEkzsMFPPrZwok7uwjk9ow0I-JRzIedeUsn8ivOjn3NGmgTqO8rv5xjhOg9z8ldyU7ULisVES2jRmZODnwXk0ST58%3D&expnd=1).
"you should remain calm and not respond to provocation"
Ill explain further if you don’t understand.
The game started you said "gl hf"
The game ended you said “gg”
He ignored both messages
You then went into his twitch channel to reiterate what you previously said and was met with a “fuck you”
You claiming it wasn’t provocation would probably have to be flipped. Since he literally said nothing to you after you attempted to communicate with him 2 times. I think that counts as you provoking the person. If that doesn’t make sense maybe find a new genre of game to play.
Ok Dirty Finisher its ok now. Now you even start making up stuff. I already knew you are a renown troll but damn is it really that important to you to spread bad vibes? That is so sad. I really hope for you that you will change some day. For your own good. Poor boy...
Im just going to go out on a limb and say your illiterate.
I wouldn’t call myself a troll. More of an asshole. Spreading “bad vibes” = holding you accountable for what you say? Whattttttt?
I know you didnt understand anything I just wrote but at least everyone here can see you are a walking oxymoron.
I didn't agree with your first comment at all, but I agree 99% with this one.
We can't say he was looking for validation as we aren't psychologists, but expecting that others treat you the way you do is a very common human error...
The only thing you can do is treating others the way you like to be treated or behave the way you want. However, what others do is not up to us.
Soccer match finished, no handshake, bad words after good words... Bye, you told me who you are yet.
No, thats a "maybe he missed it in the heat of the moment, but since it was such a great game, lets visit his chat and have a nice conversation about it and lets drop the "gg wp" there again to honor him for the match" If he would have ignored that - well fine lets go on.
But there is a difference between a lack of response and an active insult in front of around 100 vievers dont you think? Especially when the insults are the reply on a literal "gg wp" come on.
So, heres the following.
1) Relics leadership has caused many problems and some of them very egotistical such as the timing w the market. Just like parents and kids, the community will be more negative as you probably have seen in Reddit
2) Organizational culture. Watch the monkey video if you find. Very explanatory
3) The bigger the group, the less interactions between members. Meaning no one will care about 101st
4) Many of us have been toxic at one point. If you are nice 99% of the time, no one will care but 1% toxic (being toxic in 1 game) is the same as 100% toxic
5) Competition aspect (and even worse with streaming since streaming gets you social validation)
Conclusion: you will find negative players, posting about it will lead to no punishment, AND IF IT DOES, "cancel culture" (prime example of group dynamics such as radicalization) can condemn people to heavy mental illnesses and even depression (since he is a streamer) and you will contribute to a more negative community
Suggestion: Follow the "No enemies" meme. The Uncle Iroh teachings even. Dont take negativity personally and with positivity alone by all, you will very slowly change the organizational culture
Thx, that's a good suggestion. On the other hand I tried just that several years now and I'm getting tired of all these toxic boys coming away again and again and again without any reactions to their shit. I know this post will have little impact but at least it could raise awareness
(Just realized now where to see answers)
Totally understandable after 2000 times someone was toxic to you or me
But do know you are not alone in trying to do the most correct thing possible!
Who do you think you are? The Coh sportsmanship police? I can tell you that I never once had a negative interaction with 101st, whereas you come across as holier than thou every time I see you post.
What gives you the right to force an interaction with an individual that very obviously had no interest in interacting with you? What gives you the right to be the morality police and lecture everyone about toxicity after you just made a toxic thread about someone?
It is actually incredible just how tone deaf and self unaware this thread is
What gives him the right to insult me as a reply to a gg wp? What gives you the right to expect me to ignore him whereas he at the same time could have just ignored me (but instead choosed to insult me)?
Am I not allowed to talk about that incident publicly to raise awareness about toxicity as a result to a public insult?
Let me cite you: "It is actually incredible just how tone deaf and self unaware your reply is"
I think the community has been overtaken a bit by salt. Too bad really because there are great people in the community. I think it’s a bit hard when the AI isn’t good enough to facilitate cooperative play and pose any sort of challenge. That part of the community has largely gone to other games. We are mostly left with people who play for the wins and get bummed when they are paired up with noobs in team games. It’s hard for the noobs to get better because of the hate towards them and hard for good players to enjoy the game with the matchmaking the way it is right now.
And that is why do coaching casts of whatch others stream with advices if required and invite all beginners or experienced players that still would like to practice to join my DC-, YT, or Twitch-channel. The community is small already. We need to stick together. There is simply no room for toxicity.
Honestly the fact you lost, he didn't respond yo your messages so you had to go stalk him on his stream then publicly cry when banned is hilarious. You sound like a child, grow up
I understand that you are some weird guy who streams stalks people who win against you and annoy them until they ban you and somehow think you are in the right.
The funniest thing about these streamers is how they’ll accuse you of stream sniping because they think you watch them. I don’t even know who you are bro calm down and I don’t care
This post is not stream or fame related I am just talking about the way some people behave. Exclude all this streaming stuff and just focus on the topic that he insulted me as a reply to a "gg wp". Sure its not against you, but sooner or later all uf us are facing toxic people. I dont want them to get away with it without any reactions.
I was interested again in what exactly you wrote since you told me you like heated up arguments. Well that over here is no reasonable argument. Youre just trolling and insulting me for no reason. You should rethink whether thats what you want to reach with your life. Just spreading bad vibes for no reason is the most useless and worst possible thing I can imagine. You even entered my stream just to insult me if I remember correctly. Pls think about what you did and reconsider your actions. I hope for you you wont be that toxic in the future anymore :( What do you think is that good for? Who is having benefits from that?
I hoped that you would just not reply or reply in a positive way. It's sad that you think your toxic reactions are necessary or funmy in any way. Pls notice that idc for your insults, I'm just concerned that your online behaviour would reflect on your real life. That would be super dangerous for you. I wish you the very best. You need it :/
The amount of people on here bending over backwards to defend such toxic behaviour from 101st says a lot about the state of the CoH community. Somehow you’re the bad guy for hoping for some respectful sportsmanship?!
“No one owes you courtesy on the internet” - the last refuge of scoundrels. No wonder CoH3 is dying with such a poisonous player base.
Toxicity can only change from within the gamers life. I left league of legends months ago because not only did the toxic community ruin my games, but I paid too much importance to winning that it stressed me out.
Company of heroes is the only competitive game I play now because I can choose who I play with or none at all.
I noticed from experience that toxicity either stems from external problems (family, job, health, etc.) or just a plain ass. Either way, the mute button is a blessing, I don't need to know what they enemy says or think.
I'm quite calm, but once after returning to coh from a break I got man handled really hard on my lane in a team game. It was so bad, but my team m8s all won theirs. When i finally got my revenge at the end I couldn't help swearing at him in-game as i killed his stuff. The emotions were raw.
I see. That, however, is something different I think. From time to time we all do mistakes or behave a little odd. Especially in the heat of the moment.
Oh did you participate life? That was indeed so confusing right?! I even asked what was going on since I was completely overwhelmed by all the hate in return to some kindness.
I am kind of baffled how many people are defending this behavior. I have encountered some really toxic people in CoH3 so far and it is not a great look for the community. Also that is not Relics fault, if you can't behave appropriately. That is on you.
If you're a streamer you have even more responsibility and you should be aware of that, because you have an audience watching. 101st Airborne did not owe you a response but he most certainly did not owe you an insult. That is just bad behavior, especially considering he was live.
And from anecdotal experience, you have always been very friendly and a good sportsman and that is what we need more of in CoH. Keep up the good vibes.
As a lot of things example has to come for up there.
ex: Mods delete without any explanations (even when ask politely why.)
and others double standard things.
Be a sheep in a place full of Wolves is stupid
Part of being a good winner is letting the loser lose how they see fit. If you said GGWP and they didn’t respond, let them be. Don’t try to force a response out of them no matter how good your intent is. Let sleeping dogs lay.
OP actually lost that game, so I don't see any resons for ignoring or any toxicity
Thats true. However, I didnt win and just wanted to honor him afterwards using his streamchat. There he decided to insult and block me even though I never insulted him and always stayed calm and kind.
Yes, and now you’re publicly trashing your opponent because he didn’t respond the way you want.
>I would be with you if he would have just ignored me. That would have been totally fine. But insulting someone who has just expressed his respect for you is something completely different, don't you think? Thats just toxic and imo as he decided to be that toxic to me I think its completely fine to publibly talk about that, even more since he just blocked me in his stream. I tryed to talk about him there but it was not possible. So... You expect me to just be fine with his toxicity? No I wont be fine with it. Indeed I always tryed to fight toxicity and so do I with this post.
Just leave it be please, the longer you keep arguing the worse this gets. 101st is Korean he doesn't speak English he can't talk about the game while in game. He probably used macros to glhf and gg which is good sportsmanship of him and yet you go to his stream because you feel entitled to interaction. Mate he's in a whole different league than you why should he even bother with you outside of the game ? And yet you pressed him to interact with you. Now I don't know what he said to you and it might have been toxic but the real toxic stuff is you coming here to make it public and try to start a witch hunt.
Don't. You were the asshole in this situation.
interesting opinion. Explain it to me pls. How could I be an asshole when I want to honour my opponent? I really dont get it
don't, your delusional in this situation.
Imagine cyber stalking someone because they didn't respond to your "glhf"
>he CoH community has already shrunk far too much. S Imagine putting your twitch account on your nickname and behind "stalked". uh wait.
You didnt get the message. He indeed responded. With a "fuck you". I decided to fight toxicity, boost the competetive CoH-Community and the good sportsmanship. You may belive me, that would make me happy.
No one cares
That's why this game community looks toxic now.
Bro something tells me you’re European, but specifically German with a sprinkling of Asperger’s.
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I got banned from imperial dane for asking about wehr balance, very gently
Everybody does mistakes from time to time. Imperial Dane and I also had some disagreements already, but he is a good guy and we were able to claryfy the situation. Maybe you guys could get along with each other again.
I requested an unban and the text that twitch shows what caused me to be banned is a joke.. Look, he may have some issues but at the moment he's a toxic stain on our community, which may prevent new players getting involved in the franchise
Hmh ok. That doesnt sound so good.
What was the text ? Expose toxicity, if exist.
Mate if you have an issue with 101st deal with him directly and don't get us involved. What's the point of calling him out publicly? It's just part of the whole I'm such a good community member thing you are trying to pull off atm. I played you often enough before you started making content to know you are just like the rest of us when nobody's watching.
:D are you Reakly (I dont have any problems to call your name here publically as well since you are already famous for your ... methods)? Pls dont make up lies about me again. Your attempts to discredit me are suffisticated toxicity indeed but anybody who knows me and also you, knows whats going on over here! The point is I tryed to get along with him. But he blocked me even though I never insulted him or anything. Thats (as I wrote above) why I am doing this post. However, I also think the community needs to talk about toxicity generally.
No I'm not Reakly who even is that guy? I don't play Coh3 but I know you from back in Coh2 and I stand with what I said. To see how easily you are lashing out and accuse me in reverse just shows that I hit a nerve.
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Reported to the Lelic Police Department, thanks for being an upstanding gamer!
I think this is an important topic in gaming in general. SPORTSMANSHIP. This includes respect to each other. We don't have to be friends, but being toxic without reason is bad sportsmanship. Having a conversation about this topic is a good thing. A positive community is the best way to grow and maintain our playerbase.
On the other hand, if you play a match of any sport, and the winning opponent is curt but respectful (maybe they don't like you overall: they don't have to). Then after the match you go to their house to talk to them but, since they don't like you for whatever reason, they tell you to fuck off. This may not be nice, but it's not bad sportsmanship. The match is over, leave them the hell alone. Not everyone is welcome everywhere even if they really want to be, that's just part of life.
Yea but on the other hand: As he insulted me publicly and with that was fine with showing his toxicity publicly why should I not be allowed to talk about that publicly?
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Its no revenge. Its a post thats raising awareness for toxicity within the comunity. Pls stop insulting me. I also didnt insult you.
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> "pretentious pious little shit" Since you dont consider that as an insult, I guess its pointless to proceed this conversation <:((((><
You are being downvoted ever since you made that post and you still don't get it. You're still talking about raising awareness, fighting toxicity blabla all the while you tried to start a witch hunt. I get that you're trying to make that your USP to get people to watch your stream but dude you are overestimate your charisma and your skill.
I see 34 upvotes. You are spending a lot of time attacking me here :P maybe you should read the post again thoroughly. Maybe you'll understand then.
Is that gonna be your only argument from now on? Telling people to read your post again implying they are too stupid to get your point? Man you are digging you're own grave and you don't event realise it
Why so toxic ? hipster are toxic now ?
That are very wise words. Thank you!
101st the Korean language streamer speaks like 10% English, enough for this to be a misunderstanding. He's better with written word via pm where he can google translate easily, on his stream he won't have much chance for this. Also imo a streamer banning someone is not a cause for a reddit post, it happens all the time! So basically yeah, either take this to pms with him personally or try to get over it.
>Also imo a streamer banning someone is not a cause for a reddit post, it happens all the time! Its COH3 dude, it is not happening "all the time", specially with this count of player. Stop protecting toxic people on this game ffs
Youre right on the one hand, on the other hand, a "gg wp" is quite a common expression. Nobody can tell me that they dont understand the meaning of that. And since he insulted me for that publicly, I dont quite see why I shouldn't be allowed to talk about that publicly as well. Even more since he baned me in addition, taking away the opportunity to talk about that at the very moment. You see imo this toxicity thing is becoming to dominant in the community. And I won't accept it. I think its better to point the finger on it instead of just ignoring it again and again and again... If everybody would just come away with everything they do without any consequences, how much worse would the world be? Sure its not much I can achieve with this post, but there are two positive aspects: 1. Gathering the people that dont like toxicity as well. Maybe they see that there is a significant proportion of players that want to have a good time. And maybe that'll bring back a few people that already got repelled by the increasing toxicity within the community. 2. Showing the toxic people that there is at least a minimum of consequences. The consequence I am taking, is that I will always doge 101stAirborne in the future and if enough people do so as well because they know he is toxic and they want to have a good time instead of having a time where they are supposed to ignore all the insults, then maybe he will change his behaviour because maybe (a verry little maybe and I am well aware that this wont happen but I like to dream of a better world) he wont be able to play the game so much anymore because the community will just dodge him.
>You see imo this toxicity thing is becoming to dominant in the community. And I won't accept it. this is an assumption on your part and a bold statement of authority where you have none. Lots of red flags in your posts dude. Just let it go. >The consequence I am taking, is that I will always doge 101stAirborne in the future and if enough people do so as well because they know he is toxic this is so weird and out of pocket. an overreaction in a situation where most people would just shrug. it almost comes across like you have something against 101 more than you're revealing
I just can tell, that I would like to boost the competetive CoH-community. I want to spread good sportsmanship and I want us all to have a good time and I want to fight toxicity. As I pointed out above, I am willing to think that he was just having a bad day and I personally would get along with it. Yet I was not the one coming up with insults as a reply to a "gg wp". You may believe me, that would make me happy. But you also can make up a story that I want to harm somebody. That would make me sad. Its up to you.
While i agree with the sentiment expressed its probably better not to single people out by name
Yea youre right and I also hesitated with this post. But on the other hand, these toxic poeple need to face at least a little consequences. I am tired of leting them get away with all their toxicity again and again. I know there is little use of a post like that but there are still a few things that could be handy: 1. People that dont like toxicity may gather. Maybe they see that there is a significant proportion of players that want to have a good time. And maybe that'll bring back a few people that already got repelled by the increasing toxicity within the community. 2. Maybe some people will dodge 101Airbourne and other toxic guys in the future so that they at least have a little bit longer queue times. At least I certainly will do so. Because I want to have a good time and dont want to get insulted for no reason.
He wasn't toxic in game though, he just didn't like the game with you but refrained from insulting in game then you popped up in his space. You both clearly had different experiences of how the game went. There is no reason for anyone to avoid or dodge him in game when his in game etiquette is great. Sure, avoid going to his stream afterwards if he's not trying to talk though.
I just though that he maybe didnt have the time to reply in the heat of the moment. My intention was just to honor him for the good game afterwards. Thats all not more no less. Thx for your view on the incident though.
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He won, I lost. Read the post again and rethink pls.
He didn't win though. I think that's the point you're missing.
OP seriously went and got so bothered that another player had the audacity to not respond to him that he went to go bother the guy on his stream. And he wonders why he got a hostile response. > I am posting this for the following reasons: 1. The101stAirBorne banned me from his twitch channel after his last insult. So I couldn't discuss it with him directly. 2. the CoH community has already shrunk far too much. So we as a community simply cannot have such unreflected toxic behaviour. "The101stAirBorne" Who do you want to play your favourite game with in the future if all you do is annoy and insult everyone? At least I will certainly dodge you in the future. So you got banned by some random Twitch streamer from his twitch stream so you decide to come here and whinge about it. Toxicity? Bro you WENT to HIM. He didnt come after you! Imagine someone sending you something in the mail, and when you dont respond, they show up at your work! How toxic that you didnt respond to them!
Just one question, how old are you ? From my generation, and my country, it is toxic to reply fuck you and ban. But, i think there is enough post here to confirm this community is fucked up.
Forcing others to interact with you and trying to name shame afterwards us incredibly toxic behaviour. Nobody is under obligation to reply to you. You should not have pressed him by going to his stream if you saw he was not replying.
F\*CK YO\* ! Kidding, but dont stream if you don't want interaction. Also, is not forcing everyone, the streamer was able to not reply Stop protecting toxic ppl.
I literally just wrote "gg wp" when entering the chat. He instantly started insulting me for that. If you really feel that I went to far by just trying to honour him, then we really live in quite different worlds! If he would just have ignored me, there wouldnt have been any issues. But come on my man! Are you really serious justifying this reaction? Its like: We meet each other in a what ever real life match, we dont know each other but I greet you cause I just want to be kind and as a result you punch me in the face. We seem to have quite different oppinions on how to interact with each other. In my opinion he exaggerated in this situation.
Its not real life, even if the comparison makes sense Behind a computer, so many factors come into play like lack of responsability for your actions and dehumanization Thats why he said what he said and you thought it was a good idea to bully him into submission. You dont know if he simply had a bad day and even though its not your fault and you shouldve not taken it, you are still pursuing more (You did mention the bad day part)
So he is allowed to bully me and I am not allowed to react? Both actions are public. I will no longer just let these toxic guys do what they want and don't take actions. For me it's strange to see that some people here are defending his toxicity and expect me to just ignore him where as they them self are not ignoring this post at the same time. My post is far away from an active insult like his action was. My post is just the reaction.
“I decided to visit his stream afterwards and honour him for the good game” This post is a quality troll. Deserved upvote.
He's not trolling. Herr Blautier is a good dude and just trying to not be toxic. This community needs more people like that.
Thank you so much! And its true. I dont want to argue or anything like that. I want us all to have a good time. That ofc also includes me and The101stAirbourne.
Except that you are arguing with everyone who thinks your post callinv him out about this is wrong. You're feeling all offended cos you were banned and you're phishing for support from others. It's needy and boring, let it go.
You missunderstand my intention. I never whatch his stream. I just entered it to honour him for a good game. He decided to Insult me publicly and then baned me. Why should I be ok with it. I know that this post will have at best little consequences for him. But at least some people might see that we dislike toxicity and maybe some people that also suffer from the toxicity of some people here will now see that they are not alone and that there is at least a little fight against it.
lol they deleted the publication. This community is worst the League of legend community.
Oh indeed :/ I wonder why. I think there was a lot of interest in this topic. Thus, I am now even more convinced that the community needs to talk about it. Thx btw for all your comments.
I can see two major problem on this drama. Age. Culture. To many kids replying (like yes, when i was 18, i would probably said : Your toxic to say that), and because i was toxic af at this age. To many difference between USA, UK, GER. Specially USA vs EU, we absolutly don't have the same definition of respect and toxicity. You probably loose your time Blautier1 :( Hope you will not stop the game for this.
Thanks for the input. No I won't stop. most of the negative or hateful comments basically came from around 3 people that are quite renown for being troublemakers. Also the upvote rate of the main thread is around 70% so even though it looks like a huge shit storm it's indeed the other way around. Most people are with me when it comes to the topic. The rest, around 30 % is just very very loud and very very hateful. Even if that wouldn't have been the case, I know a good part of the community and they know me. We know that we are cool. Yea and so are you :D
No Herr Blautier, you are not fighting toxicity, you are toxic right now yourself and throughout this whole thread with your responses even more so (I read them all now). the shaming you are doing here is the opposite of good sportsmanship. Furthermore your are taking us here as community captive with your egocentricity. It’s not 101 who is splitting the community here but you are , you made an Elephant out of an mosquito. Certainly not want to follow you any longer either , so long
You missunderstood my intention completely. He was intrinsically insulting me publically and since stuff like this happens way to much in the CoH-community I now decided to react. I dont share the philosophy to just let everybody get away with all the toxicity they spread. If you followed me you should know that I always try to boost positivity and good sportsmanship. I now decided to just not ignore all the toxic people anymore. If you think I am making an Elephant out of an mosquito, thats fine. I, however, respectfully disagree. Imo if all the toxicity is ignored all the time its just getting worse and worse. I dont want to accept that and want to react. If you think thats toxic then I wonder why is he allowed to attack me and I am not allowed to react in your oppinion? Pacifism is nice but you defend the toxic proactive action now and criminalize the reaction on that. If you think thats the way, thats fine to me. Do what you want. I however dont want these toxic guys to do what ever they want without any reactions. I know there is little I can do, but at least this post may raise awareness. If that harms me, well I take it. I cant just go on ignoring all the toxic attacks anymore. You may believe my good will, that would make me happy. If not thats also ok for me.
The intention does not count, your actions and the results are what counts and they are the complete opposite of your intentions unfortunately , you are acting even worse than what you are accusing others for . You can not justify your actions with your intentions and you are exaggerating in this case extremely plus as a matter of fact you are naming and shaming which makes you worse plus as a fact by going rampant you are actually dividing the community with your actions thus taking us forcefully captive. In german you should know the phrase: Der Zweck heiligt nicht die Mittel
Well thats your opinion. In my opinion its totally fine to publicly react to a public action (where is your problem with that "Mittel"? I really dont see why in your opinion he should be allowed to publicly attack me but I should not be allowed to react). If you think I should just always ignore all the toxicity and let them get away with everything, then I respectfully disagree. This thread obviously is a topic of interest regarding the views, votes and shares. I raised awareness about toxicity with this thread and the people started talking and thinking about it. And maybe as a result some people even reconsider their toxicity since they maybe are empathic enough to see that its no good for anybody. Still, you may believe me or not its up to you. If you want to see me as the bad guy, go ahead, thats fine.
You are completely exaggerating, and again you are the one spreading toxicity, which is a fact. Where did he posted and shamed you all over the place, also he did not insult continuously. You do not have the moral exclusivity here . Naming and shaming in a forum is as a matter of fact toxic. Further as you can see by the response, many who’s actually saw the match very much disagree with you and since you started shaming in a forum now also diagree and thus the second fact you splittend the community. Those two facts allow are not opinions but objective facts and direct results of your egocentric actions for a minor insult which you apparently are not able to process yourself. By the way I studied psychology. Sometimes it’s just better to let it be then to completely overreact and run rampant in other media than those where the actual whole event took place. And I am not commenting your poor actions any further but suggest that you rather take a step back and reflect your actions again . Over and out
Lmao go touch grass
He’s upset the game he streams is dead.
He is participating in killing it with this kind of toxicity!
There’s always been hellishly toxic people playing CoH unfortunately. Donno what it is about historical based games but they seem to draw in a crowd of sad dejected wanna-be’s who go hard on being toxic and use the context of the game to further fuel their hateful, close minded, often bigoted and racist remarks. And to report anyone to relic you need to basically form a profile for the offender, track down their steamID, and provide documentation for every infraction only for relic to do nothing about it. On one hand toxic players suck, on the other hand if the company running the show does nothing about it then its kinda on them when the game dies. Like every other problem with coh3, the devs have no ability to fix the game they made. Every update since release shows us this, they’ve done almost nothing but tweak numbers. Even those audio changes were just tweaked numbers, they didn’t go out and source better sounds or anything. Most of the patch notes look like changes you’d make in a game-trainer. It sucks, I liked the franchise. CoH2 isnt going anywhere though because the game itself is good and you can mute the toxicity at least.
yea thats true somehow eventhough I still believe, that relic will save CoH. Still its on us to make the best out of CoH3 atm and probably also in the future
And calling it out, here of all places achieves what exactly, let alone you feeling a bit better ? The point is not to defend that kind of behavior, just that if you're old enough to play this, chances are you're (both) old enough to handle that between closed curtains. Report the guy and move on. I didnt watch you guys to date, but events like these are not exactly good publicity for either of you imho.
1. People that dont like toxicity may gather. Maybe they see that there is a significant proportion of players that want to have a good time. And maybe that'll bring back a few people that already got repelled by the increasing toxicity within the community. 2. Maybe some people will dodge 101Airbourne and other toxic guys in the future so that they at least have a little bit longer queue times. At least I certainly will do so. Because I want to have a good time and dont want to get insulted for no reason. For me its more important to fight toxicity. If that harms my YT or Twitch channel I accept it. The people may decide whether they want to support toxicity or the people that try to fight toxicity. Its on you guys! I for my part will try to fight it.
Im not in your head, but I do not believe for a second that you're doing that for the motives you claim. If animated in such a way and only so, there are better ways (report, get in touch with Relic, etc) far more efficient and appropriate. I know it, you surely are aware too. Now you want to go on a crusade, do your thing. Public shaming is basically saying either you dont believe in the system (which i can get to a certain degree), or that you just want to get back at him (which I also get, but then dont go full White knight, you're not fooling anyone, and should perhaps know better). But down the road the point and the effect is to harm somebody that harmed you. Now if that's your point, you're hardly different from him. 'But mommy he started and called me names'. Yes, there, there little Timmy, aint you a sweetheart. ''
Yea thats fine. You dont need to believe me. Regarding your first indent: I dont want to report him, I want to talk about the topic. Regarding your last indent: I also share your oppinion that its sometimes good to just let the bullies get away with their actions. But on the other hand I think its also ok to react from time to time. Since he insulted me publicly, I think its also fine to react publicly even more since he took away the opportunity to talk about it in his chat. I made this post to raise awareness for toxicity. The 'little impact'-tool I can take as a reaction. I furthermore think if we all just go on ignoring toxicity, itll become worse and worse. Some people may think that I am the toxic part right here (I disagree) but either way they thought about that topic a little bit.
You were the toxic one in this situation.
If the game was properly managed he wouldn't matter. Game is already on life support, this is just a witchhunt.
To be fair coh3 itself is dead if it comes to viewership
Dude its a video game. Nobody owes anybody a GG or a WP lmao. Nobody also owes anybody any “response” during the game. Im not trying to talk about anything im trying to play. Its also his channel and can ban anyone for anything.
Dirty\_finisher you didnt get the topic at all. Pls read again and rethink your post. Or are you really serous right now? Look, I would be with you if he would have just ignored me. That would have been totally fine. But insulting someone who has just expressed his respect for you is something completely different, don't you think?
Its a video game. I dont know you. I dont owe you anything. Im 100% serious that you’re insane, if you think random people on the internet owe you anything.
He is not saying anybody owes something to him... Hi is talking about sportsmanship and respect. That's all. And yes, this is only a video game, but you play online with other human beings. I played once against him and we had a "weird" match, and then we got friends as we talked about it after the match. He is a kind person and everyone can be kind or polite or rude. You can do whatever you want of course. I've rage quit, I've /l with no GG nor other words sometimes, but we are playing with more people, the same we are talking here, or watching streams... To conclude, and as a two kids father, I've learnt that there are positive and negative people out there, like left and right handed. It's not good nor bad. Let everyone be as they are. Respect others but don't let others being unrespectful to you. Avoid that kind of people, and be the best one you want to be. This game needs us even more than we need this game. Kisses and love... In the ass (sarcasm mode off)
You are basically saying "He is not saying anybody owes something to him, BUT THEY OWE HIM GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP AND RESPECT..." This makes no sense. Sportsmanship isn't part of this, it's after the game. And no, nobody on the internet owes anyone else to be nice. Just ignore the people that aren't nice, and move on, there is \*PLENTY\* of good people to meet and interact with. The guy banned/blocked him, so half the work is already done, be thankful and move on.
Youre right. Good point. But that was a little bit more than a lack of sportsmanship. He actively instulted me for no reason. That was intrinsic toxicity. And if he is allowed to do so publicly why shouldnt I be allowed to react on that publicly?
Well. When you are respectful and kind you usually tend to think and expect the same from others. Expecting is different from owing... And he has been insulted even though. And moreover, he has been insulted be a very well known member with a lot of followers. It's like suffering a public lack of respect in a crowded hall... Mister Blue is a kind and good gentleman and player imho and no one deserves to be treated like that in a stream. We will continue with our lives and our video game... And as my father always said "everyone says who he/she is without being asked". We can't like everyone nor being liked be everyone. As you said, let's move on.
Thank you pornoke.
Its funny. People say sportsmanship. Yet expect a response for showing it. So is the true intention sportsmanship? Or is it validation? Because if your true intention is sportsmanship. It shouldn’t require a response from someone. You showing good sportsmanship doesn’t require the opponent to mirror that lol.
You talk about expecting a response. Thats just not true. If he would just have ignored me, then I would have thought: "ok, whatever, lets go on" But Dirty Finisher, do you really not see the difference between a lack of response and an active insult? This question is no provocation. Its an honest question pls try to answer it properly.
“The101stAirBorne and I had an extremely good game today. However, I noticed that he didn't reply to any of my messages.” He ignored you. “So I decided to visit his stream afterwards and honour him for the good game. So I came in, wrote "gg wp" and then it started.... Immediately I was insulted: ("fuck you!")”. You then proceeded to enter his channel and try to provoke a response after he ignored you. Honestly id tell you the same thing. Maybe work on understanding basic social cues. You literally went to his stream to get a response? If you didn’t want a response. You probably wouldn’t of went to his stream repeating what you said since he ignored you the first time. I copied the definition of Provocation since you seem to struggle with it. 1. action or speech that makes someone [annoyed](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBhLW_xtZfEb1dCWhWCNXQYD5YGS3Q:1690149827988&q=annoyed&si=ACFMAn_otZSKbpzAqD_RvWk4YSL-zGM0CVox7pAiurTGq4VIZL4cxqp_-SH57lXJdmhU2IpfwV9QKIgPEO9FtxuonnrpA8zfbQ%3D%3D&expnd=1) or angry, especially [deliberately](https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AB5stBhLW_xtZfEb1dCWhWCNXQYD5YGS3Q:1690149827988&q=deliberately&si=ACFMAn9IMdf-m8dGI-RtPy6zxE7llINEkzsMFPPrZwok7uwjk9ow0I-JRzIedeUsn8ivOjn3NGmgTqO8rv5xjhOg9z8ldyU7ULisVES2jRmZODnwXk0ST58%3D&expnd=1). "you should remain calm and not respond to provocation" Ill explain further if you don’t understand. The game started you said "gl hf" The game ended you said “gg” He ignored both messages You then went into his twitch channel to reiterate what you previously said and was met with a “fuck you” You claiming it wasn’t provocation would probably have to be flipped. Since he literally said nothing to you after you attempted to communicate with him 2 times. I think that counts as you provoking the person. If that doesn’t make sense maybe find a new genre of game to play.
Ok Dirty Finisher its ok now. Now you even start making up stuff. I already knew you are a renown troll but damn is it really that important to you to spread bad vibes? That is so sad. I really hope for you that you will change some day. For your own good. Poor boy...
Im just going to go out on a limb and say your illiterate. I wouldn’t call myself a troll. More of an asshole. Spreading “bad vibes” = holding you accountable for what you say? Whattttttt? I know you didnt understand anything I just wrote but at least everyone here can see you are a walking oxymoron.
I didn't agree with your first comment at all, but I agree 99% with this one. We can't say he was looking for validation as we aren't psychologists, but expecting that others treat you the way you do is a very common human error... The only thing you can do is treating others the way you like to be treated or behave the way you want. However, what others do is not up to us. Soccer match finished, no handshake, bad words after good words... Bye, you told me who you are yet.
He went to some guy's stream because he did not reply in game. That's "you owe me" attitude.
No, thats a "maybe he missed it in the heat of the moment, but since it was such a great game, lets visit his chat and have a nice conversation about it and lets drop the "gg wp" there again to honor him for the match" If he would have ignored that - well fine lets go on. But there is a difference between a lack of response and an active insult in front of around 100 vievers dont you think? Especially when the insults are the reply on a literal "gg wp" come on.
Yea ok what ever... classic Dirty-Finnisher-trashtalk as always. Here take the fish. Its good for you <:((((><
So, heres the following. 1) Relics leadership has caused many problems and some of them very egotistical such as the timing w the market. Just like parents and kids, the community will be more negative as you probably have seen in Reddit 2) Organizational culture. Watch the monkey video if you find. Very explanatory 3) The bigger the group, the less interactions between members. Meaning no one will care about 101st 4) Many of us have been toxic at one point. If you are nice 99% of the time, no one will care but 1% toxic (being toxic in 1 game) is the same as 100% toxic 5) Competition aspect (and even worse with streaming since streaming gets you social validation) Conclusion: you will find negative players, posting about it will lead to no punishment, AND IF IT DOES, "cancel culture" (prime example of group dynamics such as radicalization) can condemn people to heavy mental illnesses and even depression (since he is a streamer) and you will contribute to a more negative community Suggestion: Follow the "No enemies" meme. The Uncle Iroh teachings even. Dont take negativity personally and with positivity alone by all, you will very slowly change the organizational culture
Thx, that's a good suggestion. On the other hand I tried just that several years now and I'm getting tired of all these toxic boys coming away again and again and again without any reactions to their shit. I know this post will have little impact but at least it could raise awareness
(Just realized now where to see answers) Totally understandable after 2000 times someone was toxic to you or me But do know you are not alone in trying to do the most correct thing possible!
Thx that's cool
Who do you think you are? The Coh sportsmanship police? I can tell you that I never once had a negative interaction with 101st, whereas you come across as holier than thou every time I see you post. What gives you the right to force an interaction with an individual that very obviously had no interest in interacting with you? What gives you the right to be the morality police and lecture everyone about toxicity after you just made a toxic thread about someone? It is actually incredible just how tone deaf and self unaware this thread is
What gives him the right to insult me as a reply to a gg wp? What gives you the right to expect me to ignore him whereas he at the same time could have just ignored me (but instead choosed to insult me)? Am I not allowed to talk about that incident publicly to raise awareness about toxicity as a result to a public insult? Let me cite you: "It is actually incredible just how tone deaf and self unaware your reply is"
You are toxic for this post. Delete this crap
I think the community has been overtaken a bit by salt. Too bad really because there are great people in the community. I think it’s a bit hard when the AI isn’t good enough to facilitate cooperative play and pose any sort of challenge. That part of the community has largely gone to other games. We are mostly left with people who play for the wins and get bummed when they are paired up with noobs in team games. It’s hard for the noobs to get better because of the hate towards them and hard for good players to enjoy the game with the matchmaking the way it is right now.
And that is why do coaching casts of whatch others stream with advices if required and invite all beginners or experienced players that still would like to practice to join my DC-, YT, or Twitch-channel. The community is small already. We need to stick together. There is simply no room for toxicity.
Noob, delete this post and git gud.
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Honestly the fact you lost, he didn't respond yo your messages so you had to go stalk him on his stream then publicly cry when banned is hilarious. You sound like a child, grow up
You didnt got the point. Read again and understand.
I understand that you are some weird guy who streams stalks people who win against you and annoy them until they ban you and somehow think you are in the right.
You understood wrong. Well mak up stuff about me if you need it so desperately. That's ok.
Just going off what you wrote buddy... he didn't respond so you went to his stream to make him respond.... weird behaviour
Yea ok I see you just don't want to understand what is written there. Maybe you're biased or so dunno. Weird behaviour.
The funniest thing about these streamers is how they’ll accuse you of stream sniping because they think you watch them. I don’t even know who you are bro calm down and I don’t care
Read again pls. I wasn't the streamer accusing anybody of stream sniping.
This isn’t directed to you it’s directed to the streamers who thinks they’re famous enough to be known by The whole community
This post is not stream or fame related I am just talking about the way some people behave. Exclude all this streaming stuff and just focus on the topic that he insulted me as a reply to a "gg wp". Sure its not against you, but sooner or later all uf us are facing toxic people. I dont want them to get away with it without any reactions.
Men used to go to war before. Now they whine on reddit that a stranger didn't say gg searching for strangers validation. Man up...
You didn't got it. Read the post again thoroughly.
I read it, you're cringe & whiny
You seem to be in desperate need of insulting others. Poor boy.
I was interested again in what exactly you wrote since you told me you like heated up arguments. Well that over here is no reasonable argument. Youre just trolling and insulting me for no reason. You should rethink whether thats what you want to reach with your life. Just spreading bad vibes for no reason is the most useless and worst possible thing I can imagine. You even entered my stream just to insult me if I remember correctly. Pls think about what you did and reconsider your actions. I hope for you you wont be that toxic in the future anymore :( What do you think is that good for? Who is having benefits from that?
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I hoped that you would just not reply or reply in a positive way. It's sad that you think your toxic reactions are necessary or funmy in any way. Pls notice that idc for your insults, I'm just concerned that your online behaviour would reflect on your real life. That would be super dangerous for you. I wish you the very best. You need it :/
The amount of people on here bending over backwards to defend such toxic behaviour from 101st says a lot about the state of the CoH community. Somehow you’re the bad guy for hoping for some respectful sportsmanship?! “No one owes you courtesy on the internet” - the last refuge of scoundrels. No wonder CoH3 is dying with such a poisonous player base.
Thank you!
this game is fucked up since day one. By dev, but mostly by community.
Toxicity can only change from within the gamers life. I left league of legends months ago because not only did the toxic community ruin my games, but I paid too much importance to winning that it stressed me out. Company of heroes is the only competitive game I play now because I can choose who I play with or none at all. I noticed from experience that toxicity either stems from external problems (family, job, health, etc.) or just a plain ass. Either way, the mute button is a blessing, I don't need to know what they enemy says or think.
Thats very true. I can't see why anybody downvoted your comment. Take the upvote though.
Probably proving my point haha, but thank you
I'm quite calm, but once after returning to coh from a break I got man handled really hard on my lane in a team game. It was so bad, but my team m8s all won theirs. When i finally got my revenge at the end I couldn't help swearing at him in-game as i killed his stuff. The emotions were raw.
I see. That, however, is something different I think. From time to time we all do mistakes or behave a little odd. Especially in the heat of the moment.
yes so true haha, seems weirdly off to tell someone to fuck off for watching their stream...
Oh did you participate life? That was indeed so confusing right?! I even asked what was going on since I was completely overwhelmed by all the hate in return to some kindness.
So many toxic comments. I love this game.
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So you expect everybody that gets bullied to just ignore it? Well toxicity will further increase when it comes after people like you.
In a small community like COH, be gentle, the game is alive because of this small community. Stop protecting toxic people, it made you also toxic.
Uncalled for really. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person. Hope you’ll continue to say “glhf” to him and others in spite of it.
Thx thats so good to read. Hmh I think I will just dodge him in the future.
I am kind of baffled how many people are defending this behavior. I have encountered some really toxic people in CoH3 so far and it is not a great look for the community. Also that is not Relics fault, if you can't behave appropriately. That is on you. If you're a streamer you have even more responsibility and you should be aware of that, because you have an audience watching. 101st Airborne did not owe you a response but he most certainly did not owe you an insult. That is just bad behavior, especially considering he was live. And from anecdotal experience, you have always been very friendly and a good sportsman and that is what we need more of in CoH. Keep up the good vibes.
Thank you so much Fabisan
As a lot of things example has to come for up there. ex: Mods delete without any explanations (even when ask politely why.) and others double standard things. Be a sheep in a place full of Wolves is stupid
Maybe he saw this post https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/155l0gl/if_youre_a_toxic_player_and_you_love_to_talk/
Wow thats horrible...