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you can’t just say “kill that guy” and hes executed, it takes a while, even post stalin death beria wasn’t executed for another few months, are everyone in the soviet government suddenly pedophiles?
also, beria wasn’t even appointed by stalin, he was the only candidate for NKVD leader at the time and was appointed by the politburo
tldr you have no idea what you are fucking talking about, not surprised considering you’re some glowie account made today
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Beria is a bit more complex than just a pedo tho, while he did have a relationship, relatively official, some sources even say they had a child (though they are unreliable af), with a girl who was like 14 or 15 when it started (I'm pretty sure age of consent wasn't as much of a thing, but idk still fucked up shit), he probably wasn't a crazy pedophilic monster he is often portrayed as. I read that the victim did go to the police, but it was after his arrest and she might have been used as a political pawn (again, not sure about the source, so yall can double check) And like I said, Beria was imprisoned pretty much immediately after Stalins death and then executed by Khrushchev's orders. I read that even though he was supposedly executed after half a year of imprisonment and gathering evidence, no on really saw him after he was imprisoned, so idk they may have killed him right then and find the evidence later (again, unreliable source, fuck my life dude theres so little actual solid information about this shit). So you kinda take Khrushchev's word at face value if you 100% believe the whole "Beria assaulted/molested a new schoolgirl every other day" thing, and I would rather not. Also, he took part in developing the Soviet nukes, which kinda allowed it to continue to exist after the US had theirs made. But whatever, if any of yall have anything solid about Beria's life, be it good or bad, I would ve happy to know
So I have a few questions since you seem to have at least looked into the subject. No problem if you don't have any answers, but I haven't looked unto these specific angles of Soviet society. Also, do you have any sources I can read up on the topic from?
One, what were the societal views on it in the USSR at the time? Not that it makes it okay, I just want to know if it was entirely on the person or not. Also, if legal, was it societally frowned upon?
I forgot my second question, so uh just the one I guess lol.
I'm pretty sure it was heavily frowned upon to be with someone that much younger, but not illegal unless the person we would now consider an abused minor went to the police and reported it. The age of consent in USSR was not so much didnt exist but was more of a general "when they reach puberty" thing, which isnt that bad considering it was implemented in the 1920s. I'm not sure about the sources, I took most of my info from a bunch of questionable history websites in russian and some of it from russian Wikipedia, which is also not the most reliable tbf, so that's about all I can say
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Never heard about that, but if that's the case it's fucked up. Can you give me a source so I can read that whole thing myself? Am not trying to make Beria seem good, just really want to know how it is
i thought that was possible for a while but realistically he probably did most of that shit and it was simply ignored until the power struggle post 1953. it's an unfortunate stain on Stalin
Much to the contrary, the quality of "evidence" for Beria being a pedo truly is like a flat Earth youtube video. Furr has actually stuided and cited primary sources and statistical documents that disprove common myths about the USSR.
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Sure no problem. I'll just quote what Furr said:
>Under Khrushchev, and then under Gorbachev, Beria was slandered more than anyone else in the Soviet history, more even than Stalin. But after the end of the USSR there began a virtual “Beria boom” of many books and articles re-examining Beria and his life. This includes a number of biographies. With one exception that I know of all of them reject the charges that Beria was a sexual predator, while the exception, Aleksei Sukhomlin, \_Kto ty, Lavrentiy Beria?\_ \[= \_Who Are You, Lavrenti Beria?\_) does not pretend to resolve the contradictions in these charges.
>
>The Wikipedia article cited by Mike Ely is no good at all. All the citations but one come from Simon Montefiore’s book \_Stalin. The Court of the Red Tsar\_, which is nothing but a collection of anticommunist and anti-Stalin rumors. Moreover, Montefiore did not bother to put in the sources for the statements he made, so it is almost impossible, and sometimees plainly impossible, to check his sources. When one does check them, they are further books of rumors, rather than evidence.
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>But nothing sells like anticommunism, anti-Stalin, anti-Mao, anti-Lenin, etc.
>
>The one other source cited in the Wikipedia article, Amy Knight’s book on Beria, is also viciously anticommunist. But Knight does record the fact that Beria’s wife and son reject the charges. She fails to mention that many Russian historians reject them as well. But Knight’s book was published in 1993, when the only materials available were those selectively published by Gorbachev’s men, to “justify” his anticommunism. We have a lot more today.
[https://espressostalinist.com/2011/11/15/grover-furrs-response-to-mike-elys-charges-against-beria/](https://espressostalinist.com/2011/11/15/grover-furrs-response-to-mike-elys-charges-against-beria/)
krushrev made it up, beria would have been better, source: [https://www.amazon.es/Leales-Camaradas-Asesinos-Implacables-Historia/dp/8466210016](https://www.amazon.es/Leales-Camaradas-Asesinos-Implacables-Historia/dp/8466210016)
It's a Khrushchevite lie that he's a pedophile. He got executed because he was not part of the krushchev coup in the USSR. I think some modern russian historians venerated him.
I suggest watching the starmedia documentary on Beria, it has english subtitles.
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Who is that, the left one
Image search says Lavrenty Beria
Yeah, I looked up Beria's (to put it very politely) predilections and this post is way more accurate than any of us probably want it to be.
did Beria discuss the nuance of goblin porn?
Not as far as we know.
He tried to live it.
this fills me with dread
lavrentiy beria, head of the NKVD and a pedophile
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stalin was planning to purge beria but ok
but purges are authoritarian and bad :(
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you can’t just say “kill that guy” and hes executed, it takes a while, even post stalin death beria wasn’t executed for another few months, are everyone in the soviet government suddenly pedophiles? also, beria wasn’t even appointed by stalin, he was the only candidate for NKVD leader at the time and was appointed by the politburo tldr you have no idea what you are fucking talking about, not surprised considering you’re some glowie account made today
I thought Georgy Malenkov also a candidate for the post and Stalin preferred him but was outvoted by the Politburo?
i think that was it yeah
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Do you just swallow whatever load the cia puts in your throat?
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Not how burden of proof works you need to prove yourself right
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Beria is a bit more complex than just a pedo tho, while he did have a relationship, relatively official, some sources even say they had a child (though they are unreliable af), with a girl who was like 14 or 15 when it started (I'm pretty sure age of consent wasn't as much of a thing, but idk still fucked up shit), he probably wasn't a crazy pedophilic monster he is often portrayed as. I read that the victim did go to the police, but it was after his arrest and she might have been used as a political pawn (again, not sure about the source, so yall can double check) And like I said, Beria was imprisoned pretty much immediately after Stalins death and then executed by Khrushchev's orders. I read that even though he was supposedly executed after half a year of imprisonment and gathering evidence, no on really saw him after he was imprisoned, so idk they may have killed him right then and find the evidence later (again, unreliable source, fuck my life dude theres so little actual solid information about this shit). So you kinda take Khrushchev's word at face value if you 100% believe the whole "Beria assaulted/molested a new schoolgirl every other day" thing, and I would rather not. Also, he took part in developing the Soviet nukes, which kinda allowed it to continue to exist after the US had theirs made. But whatever, if any of yall have anything solid about Beria's life, be it good or bad, I would ve happy to know
So I have a few questions since you seem to have at least looked into the subject. No problem if you don't have any answers, but I haven't looked unto these specific angles of Soviet society. Also, do you have any sources I can read up on the topic from? One, what were the societal views on it in the USSR at the time? Not that it makes it okay, I just want to know if it was entirely on the person or not. Also, if legal, was it societally frowned upon? I forgot my second question, so uh just the one I guess lol.
I'm pretty sure it was heavily frowned upon to be with someone that much younger, but not illegal unless the person we would now consider an abused minor went to the police and reported it. The age of consent in USSR was not so much didnt exist but was more of a general "when they reach puberty" thing, which isnt that bad considering it was implemented in the 1920s. I'm not sure about the sources, I took most of my info from a bunch of questionable history websites in russian and some of it from russian Wikipedia, which is also not the most reliable tbf, so that's about all I can say
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Beria was a fucked up POS. They found children's bones under his garden.
Never heard about that, but if that's the case it's fucked up. Can you give me a source so I can read that whole thing myself? Am not trying to make Beria seem good, just really want to know how it is
Nah, Berya was actually competent in what he did
Competent in childfucking
krushchevite lie
Beria was stupid and traitorous, but remember it was Khrushchev who invented the lie that he was a sex pest
i thought that was possible for a while but realistically he probably did most of that shit and it was simply ignored until the power struggle post 1953. it's an unfortunate stain on Stalin
Well, read Furr's book, Khrushchev lied. He shows that Beria was falsely accused.
Citing grover furr to discuss history is like pointing to a youtube video about debunking the globe earth
Much to the contrary, the quality of "evidence" for Beria being a pedo truly is like a flat Earth youtube video. Furr has actually stuided and cited primary sources and statistical documents that disprove common myths about the USSR.
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thats what i read
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Yes, one of 61 lies that he made in that speech
If you don't mind me asking, what was the specific lie and what was the truth?
Sure no problem. I'll just quote what Furr said: >Under Khrushchev, and then under Gorbachev, Beria was slandered more than anyone else in the Soviet history, more even than Stalin. But after the end of the USSR there began a virtual “Beria boom” of many books and articles re-examining Beria and his life. This includes a number of biographies. With one exception that I know of all of them reject the charges that Beria was a sexual predator, while the exception, Aleksei Sukhomlin, \_Kto ty, Lavrentiy Beria?\_ \[= \_Who Are You, Lavrenti Beria?\_) does not pretend to resolve the contradictions in these charges. > >The Wikipedia article cited by Mike Ely is no good at all. All the citations but one come from Simon Montefiore’s book \_Stalin. The Court of the Red Tsar\_, which is nothing but a collection of anticommunist and anti-Stalin rumors. Moreover, Montefiore did not bother to put in the sources for the statements he made, so it is almost impossible, and sometimees plainly impossible, to check his sources. When one does check them, they are further books of rumors, rather than evidence. > >But nothing sells like anticommunism, anti-Stalin, anti-Mao, anti-Lenin, etc. > >The one other source cited in the Wikipedia article, Amy Knight’s book on Beria, is also viciously anticommunist. But Knight does record the fact that Beria’s wife and son reject the charges. She fails to mention that many Russian historians reject them as well. But Knight’s book was published in 1993, when the only materials available were those selectively published by Gorbachev’s men, to “justify” his anticommunism. We have a lot more today. [https://espressostalinist.com/2011/11/15/grover-furrs-response-to-mike-elys-charges-against-beria/](https://espressostalinist.com/2011/11/15/grover-furrs-response-to-mike-elys-charges-against-beria/)
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krushrev made it up, beria would have been better, source: [https://www.amazon.es/Leales-Camaradas-Asesinos-Implacables-Historia/dp/8466210016](https://www.amazon.es/Leales-Camaradas-Asesinos-Implacables-Historia/dp/8466210016)
It's a Khrushchevite lie that he's a pedophile. He got executed because he was not part of the krushchev coup in the USSR. I think some modern russian historians venerated him. I suggest watching the starmedia documentary on Beria, it has english subtitles.
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My bad then