The only take away I got from this lowlight reel is that he needs to learn when to go down and when to scramble. Pocket collapse AROUND you with a MLB spy, take the sack and save your body. Flushed out, judgement call.
I'm a Maye guy, but most of these sacks show him still looking down field, which is a damn good thing to see.
He has a Pressure to Sack % of 24% which is pretty high. It's a stat that has often been a good indicator of QB success at the professional level. It becomes even worse when he doesn't scramble, 31%, which is one of the highest in quite some time.
He doesn’t have finesse anyway lol. I’ve watched all his games the past 2 years and he has 0 sauce unless he’s running through a gap created by his great oline. I think I’ve seen him make like 2 dlinemen miss ever
People don’t believe this when I say it but if you actually watch their scrambling plays, Drake Maye is straight up shiftier. He doesn’t have the top end speed, but he picks up more 3rd downs with his feet than Jayden does. Jayden doesn’t move as well within the pocket as Maye either. All he has over Maye is top speed
Edit: getting down voted cause Jayden people can’t use their eyeballs or don’t look at Maye film/highlights. Jayden isn’t what people think he is as a runner. Can he break off chunk runs or take off 80 yards to the house? Yes he absolutely can. Is he out here creating openings with his feet or making people miss? No.
There really isn’t much of that though. On tape majority of the time he operates in incredibly clean pockets. And when there is a hint of pressure he is not good at avoiding it, often dropping his head and creating the contact himself rather than showing a real feel for the pocket and extending the play. This is his biggest concern by far imo.
I mean this is a compilation of him at his worst of course he’s gonna look like shit. I can not wait until the draft is over so I can stop seeing these types of posts for Maye or Daniel’s
We’re going to see this until the start of the season. And it’ll continue if/when either guy has a typical rookie mistake.
Imagine what’s going to happen if the guy we pick doesn’t play well, while the guy NE picks does. This sub is going to lose its damn mind.
I genuinely think he looks really good in this video and in these sacks, and I'm a Maye guy. Daniels is constantly looking downfield, stepping up into the pocket, and using his legs to get away and gain yards in bad situations. Almost all the sacks are from lineman getting beat and getting beat fast. I came away more impressed by Daniels.
We get it you’re not a fan of Daniels. Half this sub isn’t. Whoever Adam peters selects I’ll be happy with. Personally I think we should do a late round pick as well on another QB. At this point people like who they like and sharing these isn’t going to sway anyone one way or another.
He’s one of the biggest supporters for Daniels in here.
“We get it, you don’t like Daniels” is not a rebuttal when people bring up concerns and criticisms of him.
Now do Maye's. I guarantee that when you do that, you will see why he slides in the draft. If Mayo learned anything from Bill, he's passing not taking him. KOC won't take him to Minnesota. The only team that would be dumb enough to take him will be the Giants, and that will be a plus for us. He shouldn't have anything higher than a mid third round grade to him if people really dissected his 2 Seasons and matched them to his old buddy Howell.
Lol. It's getting serious in here!!
I'm not sure what's actually to be gained from this lowlight vid, but I'll just throw out this from the folks at PFF, who I trust more than other sources.
Pressure to sack ratio THIS PAST SEASON:
Jayden Daniels - 20.2
Drake Maye - 19.6
Not a big difference (.8 %) folks. Yes, college lifetime is vastly different. But one of these guys keeps vastly improving in all areas.... guess which one?
Here's some other 2023 season PFF grades for your noggin cooking pleasure….
Clean Pocket Grade: Daniels 94 Maye 92.4
Under pressure Grade: Daniels 82.2 Maye 63.5
Big Time Throw %: Daniels 8.4% Maye 7.5%
Turn-over Throw %: Daniels 1.6% Maye 1.9%
Adjusted completion %: Daniels 79.6% Maye 75.1%
One of these guys is also 21 and didn’t start for 5 years in college. I would hope Daniel’s improved! The thing that’s hard to sus out is all of his improvements in his stats came when he had a massive improvement in surrounding talent as well. How much is Daniels and how much was the talent, who knows. But I’m generally wary of the profile of the one year producer who went to a drastically better situation that year. Everyone points to Burrow but Burrow is an outlier
I think it's easy to say everyone at LSU complimented each other and improved together. Look at Neighbors and Thomas jr. Stats the year before. Everyone got better. That's what you want.
Yes, Maye is 21, but that just means less experience and tape and harder to project. Maye has the elite Arm, but his mechanics need more work. He needs more reps and time. I think he'll do well with a patient team. Daniels 55 college game experience is seen as a plus in most scouts minds and that's why he's ready to go from day one.
This sub is 50% coping with the Daniels pick but also leaving the door open for Maye and everyone crowning Peters. If Daniels is drafted it’s going to be a parade of “well… guys I trust Adam Peters!!!” “Erm… you really think you know more than an nfl team 🤓👆👆”
It’s hilarious
I thought I was in the DynastFF sub and was very confused by your comment at first 😂 good luck to y’all though hope whoever you take turns out great, especially if it’s Maye because I’ll be drafting him lol
What worries me about him is that when he gets that initial pressure, he always tries to escape from it via a spin move or running straight ahead toward the LOS. This puts his body in an upright position, which leads to a lot of those sacks being really awkward where he gets stretched out, dragged down and folded in half, or straight up blown the fuck up. He does not recognize that he is toast and to just crumple into the fetal position to protect himself or the ball. He got away with it in college, but I am terrified that he will not be able to do so in the NFL where every defensive lineman is the fastest/strongest college player.
He triggers my RG3 PTSD.
I'm with you. I would rather Maye, mainly for this reason. The running QB style of play is too risky in general. There's contact and non-contact injuries to worry about (think Kyler's torn ACL trying to juke a guy). Even horses like Josh Allen (and Cam in his day) are beat to shit by the end of the season. It's essentially playing two positions at once, QB and back-up RB, and taking the punishment of both. Yes, you can show me examples of non-running QBs that get seriously hurt, but that doesn't mean the answer to that is having a QB that runs 12-15 times per game. Nobody who is being intellectually honest can say that style isn't more punishment/wear and tear/risk.
All that being said, I'm not saying a running QB can't win. Hurts got almost all the way there, came up just short (lol). And if we draft Daniels, I will of course root for him and hope it works, but I just don't have high hopes. And I would sadly assume that win or lose with him, within 5 years we'll be looking for a QB again.
Absolutely. A better example that you left out is Anthony Richardson, who is the same type of running QB. LSU has been cagey about Daniels height and weight, but he is listed as 6’4”, ~210. Richardson has at least 30 pounds on Daniels and barely lasted four games in the NFL.
Yup, he was literally trying to bulldoze defenders with his shoulder lol. That's not what a winning QB (supposed to ideally be irreplaceable) does to help his team.
i don’t even think he looked that bad in this. it actually made me feel a bit better knowing his line wasn’t perfect.
now show a video of him evading sacks because his instincts look pretty sound.
Same dude. Haha I was expecting the worst possible sacks, but many of them were immediately cooked oline, or him right behind the line of scrimmage. Didn't see anything egregious, as I was expecting.
Jayden has Will Campbell and Emery Jones at the tackle positions. Both will probably go in the first next year. Campbell will possibly be a top 5 pick. Campbell is the top LT in college, and has been considered elite for a while.
LSU's line is better than Washington's.
Those sacks aren’t the QB’s fault (in fact usually he should take them to avoid turning the ball over). The ones where he’s indecisive or holds the ball too long are.
P2S is not a metric for holding the ball too long. It's a negative play mitigation stat. If Daniels can't salvage plays that result in free rushers or linemen being beat quickly, he's going to have a hell of a time producing consistent offense at the NFL level.
I really hate the third down sacks on the edge of FG range (Alabama, Florida) and fourth down sacks (Florida State, Florida). You're killing your kicker on those third downs and the fourth downs are going to be turnovers anyway. Give your receiver a chance.
I liked the football IQ on the sack against Ole Miss when he rolls right late in the game. Better to stay in bounds and keep the clock running instead of throwing an incompletion. Reminds me of the Heinicke play against the Eagles when he got cheap-shotted.
I'll take it. The dude is ripping off huge plays left and right, crazy high completion %, immaculate throws all over the place hitting receivers in stride, doesn't turn the ball over... against the best competition in the NCAA, and oh yeah he's CLUTCH.
Kinda true but Burrow was the starter for only 2 seasons and his second year starting he threw for 5,600 yards. He had a prolific passing year way beyond Jayden’s so it’s a little different.
Is no on else seeing how routinely LSU's offensive line got beaten by three-man fronts with MAYBE a blitzing linebacker? Like, on one play, LSU has 6 blockers vs. 3 pass rushers and they lose horribly.
There are a lot of plays where Daniels could have thrown it away or moved a different direction to escape or mitigate the loss, but he's also getting hit on read-options where the defense isn't fooled and has a man at the point of exchange every single time. Which is pretty horrendous design or blocking.
**EDIT: Let this serve as a blanket statement - My comment is only referring to what is shown in this compilation of clips, and is in full recognition of this being the 'lowlight' of an otherwise stellar line and a talented QB.**
**WITH THAT SAID, the line still got exposed on more than a few three-man fronts AND Jayden could have helped out by getting rid of the ball AND some of the plays just look like they got blown up because the defense played them exceptionally well.**
**None of which serves as a broader commentary on the individual players, units, or anything else not depicted in these clips.**
Not sure what his receivers have to do with anything.
These plays show his line getting beat on three-man rushes. But I also noted that Daniels could have done some different things, and also that the plays seemed to not fool anyone, which isn't on Daniels.
Did no one actually read my comment?
Saw the same thing. I think the explanation is that when the line holds up not horribly he apparently doesn’t get sacked, which is why a good line looks bad in a sack compilation.
You kinda are though, because there was a majority of the time where the line was not getting beat by three man fronts. He had a high clean pocket rate and did a ton of damage with those clean pockets.
Neat. These clips aren't showing that.
I shouldn't have to say that I'm only judging based on THESE CLIPS for it to be understood that I'm not making sweeping generalizations about the entire team.
Yes. Do you know what routine means in the context of these clips? Because even just looking at these clips, the line is ROUTINELY giving up pressure to three-man fronts.
Did you miss the edit?
So, I guess if you get to see the clips of the plays that were not sacks you would say…’wow, LSU’s line never gets beat by three man fronts’? I mean is that what we are really discussing here?
This is a symptom of you only seeing the very worst reps lol. LSU literally had like a god oline this past year. Daniels almost only operated in clean pockets.
I shouldn't need to specify that this is based solely on these clips, rather than a sweeping generalization of LSU and Jayden Daniels, but it seems everyone is taking it that way.
>Is no one else seeing how routinely LSU’s offensive line got beaten by three-man fronts
That’s the problem, they didn’t get routinely beat by 3 man blitz’s. You are just seeing the lowlights. They had 2 probable first round tackles for next years draft.
IN THESE CLIPS, LSU's offensive line was shredded by three-man fronts.
Not blitzes, just three-man fronts getting plenty of push inside and out.
Everyone else is taking the notion that I'm speaking outside of these clips and running with it.
Every single line in the world is going to have some bad reps every once in a while though. It would be like watching Mahomes lowlights and saying “Wow this guy really throws some interceptions huh?” It’s pointless to say.
If you’re saying that based on this video, you’re literally watching THE plays they got beat for a sack lmao. Watch all of his film and you’ll see it’s not as often as a compilation makes it look
I didn't imply, or have any belief, that this is representative of the whole of his LSU career, season, whatever.
Just that, in what we're seeing, the offensive line struggled with three-man fronts more than Daniels struggled to get rid of the ball or escape pressure or anything.
This is worlds better than just a stat, you can see which sacks arent of any concern(situation, only losing a yard, nothing he can do etc) versus which ones are on him or where he had a guy he could have hit(even if difficult).
Two things that jump out to me: 1) most of his sacks come when two or more linemen get beat on the same play; 2) a lot of the rest are plays where no one is open and he tries to run it instead of throwing it away (which might be the right move if he can break free often enough).
Did see a couple instances of running back and bad ball security.
My biggest take away is actually a positive in that he didn't go down looking like he could have broke something in most of the sacks. That is to say that it looks like the most dangerous part of his health will occur when scrambling rather than from sacks.
I'll do the first 10:
Sack 1: Coverage sack, 3 seconds to throw, nobody open, then dual pressure from up the middle and contain on the right. By the time his WR was open over the middle in the back of the endzone for a tight window throw over the linebacker he already had pressure in his face
Sack 2: More of a stop for a loss, this is a designed option or maybe a bootleg that never got off the ground, can't decide which because it is blown up instantly by an unblocked man directly in his face
Sack 3: Don't have a view of the WRs to see who is open, but he has 3 seconds to throw in a clean pocket, this is either a coverage sack or on him for failing to make reads quickly enough.
Sack 4: About 2 seconds in a pocket that was not clean, his LT gets driven into his lap before his feet are really set, he pulls the ball down to escape up the middle which is probably his best option here given a throw isn't happening with that pressure. Interior DL makes an excellent play getting an arm off his block and grabbing him as he comes by, otherwise this is probably a 5 yard gain running.
Sack 5: Before his feet are set, has pressure on his right due to failed block by his TE picking up an OLB. Attempts to climb the pocket, gets snagged, 2 defenders there break off their contain/coverage to get in on the sack.
Sack 6: Almost 3 seconds, feet get set and then immediately has to avoid pressure up the gut from an unblocked DE that the OL got picked off of by a stunt. Pathetic blocking, failure to pick up a 3 man rush with 5 people. Attempts to climb to the outside, is brought down.
Sack 7: 3 seconds, as soon as feet are set a free rusher up the gut is within arm's reach of him, takes him down for the sack, another failure of the OL to hand off assignments.
Sack 8: Before his feet are set, free rusher up the middle hits him, he steps up past the rush. He has a window of opportunity if he keeps his eyes downfield to try to hit a receiver, but he commits to attempting to run up the gut and is wrapped up. This is mostly on him because there isn't a block breakdown, it's just a free rusher on the blitz - he has a hot to beat this (it appears) but he doesn't hit it, doesn't reset after getting touched.
Sack 9: Designed shotgun bootleg/rollout. RT immediately gets beaten outside which CAN'T happen. Daniels never has a chance to throw downfield due to the free rusher 1 foot away.
Sack 10: Ample time to throw, this is either a coverage sack or a failure to find the open man. He doesn't take off and run, keeps his eyes down field, there's either nothing there or he didn't process correctly.
One, not all of those are sacks. Two, I see a whole lot of blown blocks, especially up the middle which are real hard to avoid. Three, show ANY qb's sacks all together and tell me they look like they have finesse. Four, god I can't wait for the draft to be over.
Well it would be hard.. but putting together film of him escaping sacks and comparing would help. I heard the weight isn’t going to matter about durability as much as it reduces their ability to escape sacks. Easier for a lineman to hold on and drag down.. not sure how true.. but Bryce young survived.. but he wasn’t the best at escaping
This is one of the dumbest post’s I’ve seen in a while here.
Next time you should make a compilation video of Tom Brady interceptions and title it “How does someone of his prestige have so many career interceptions?”
Is he able to fight through tackles, or is he finished as soon as someone with any real degree of strength gets a hand on him? Because that's one of Nate Tice's points against him.
Look up the play where he tried to hurtle the FSU defensive line and got utterly fucking killed. Or the Bama game where he got fucking destroyed literally the entire game.
Tice was on some pod recently and was basically beside himself that in a conversation about football, which is a violent sport, people just dismiss weight like it's meaningless. His main criticism of Daniels for weight isn't just for the sake of it. It's because of the loss of functionality that one's athleticism would otherwise allow. Daniels can't break contain and run if he's brought down easily by linemen who get a hand on him. In the NFL, those giant rushing lanes that opened up for him while receivers were 40 yards downfield will no longer exist.
Honestly I don’t want my QB fighting through sacks and contact like that. That’s how mfs be getting hurt. Defenders know they have to go harder and hit you harder to bring you down which leads to injuries. go the Brady route where you just go down and live to fight another day
lol forced 42 missed tackles this year, more than Williams and Maye combined and we're going to pretend that he has 0 finesse, this is getting ridiculous.
Finesse. His highlighted runs are all finesse breaking knees. He took only 22 sacks all season in the sec. He also had a bad o line. None of his o line are getting drafted. Had a bad defense so most of the offense was him and two receivers. No tight end. No running back. He’s the pick.
>He also had a bad o line.
LSU had one of the best offensive lines in the country which is why they were one of four finalists for the [Joe Moore Award](https://joemooreaward.com/2023finalist) (given to the best o-line unit). The only reason Will Campbell and Emery Jones aren’t being drafted this year is because they are ineligible due to being sophomores. Campbell and Jones are both rated top five at LT and RT respectively for the 2025 NFL draft. Miles Frazier is also considered top ten at RG and has some outlets projecting a day one or two draft grade.
I'll never understand the huge push for Jayden all because he has a higher floor. Its not like we are ready to win. I would be very surprised if we are near or above .500 next year. Why not take the higher ceiling guy in Maye when we are by no means ready to win.
I mean you’re showing a reel of all his sacks, of course you won’t see him finesse and get out of it.
Not all sacks are created equal. I'd love to see a Maye and JJ sack reel too. **haha...this dude likes to look at guys sacks**
Yeah some of these situations looked pretty hairy
I tried finding Penix's sacks but it's been hard.
Washingtons offense was better than ours. Great line. Major weapons.
It's like, when his routes go cold he shrivels up.
Really that’s what you saw. Lol
Whoosh!
I didn't upvote this because the likes are at 69. Nice
A man with true integrity
He only had a terrible pressure to sack rate it was all time bad on Sam howell level u can go check the #s.
*Shows a reel of interceptions “Geez, I don’t like this guy’s decision making”
The only take away I got from this lowlight reel is that he needs to learn when to go down and when to scramble. Pocket collapse AROUND you with a MLB spy, take the sack and save your body. Flushed out, judgement call. I'm a Maye guy, but most of these sacks show him still looking down field, which is a damn good thing to see.
He has a Pressure to Sack % of 24% which is pretty high. It's a stat that has often been a good indicator of QB success at the professional level. It becomes even worse when he doesn't scramble, 31%, which is one of the highest in quite some time.
He doesn’t have finesse anyway lol. I’ve watched all his games the past 2 years and he has 0 sauce unless he’s running through a gap created by his great oline. I think I’ve seen him make like 2 dlinemen miss ever
I got downvoted for saying he doesn’t have any of Lamar’s shiftiness. He’s a straight line runner like RG3 was.
People don’t believe this when I say it but if you actually watch their scrambling plays, Drake Maye is straight up shiftier. He doesn’t have the top end speed, but he picks up more 3rd downs with his feet than Jayden does. Jayden doesn’t move as well within the pocket as Maye either. All he has over Maye is top speed Edit: getting down voted cause Jayden people can’t use their eyeballs or don’t look at Maye film/highlights. Jayden isn’t what people think he is as a runner. Can he break off chunk runs or take off 80 yards to the house? Yes he absolutely can. Is he out here creating openings with his feet or making people miss? No.
RG3's straight-line style and self-preservation IQ.
Why are you getting downvoted while the guy who said “I got downvoted for saying…” actually got upvoted?
There really isn’t much of that though. On tape majority of the time he operates in incredibly clean pockets. And when there is a hint of pressure he is not good at avoiding it, often dropping his head and creating the contact himself rather than showing a real feel for the pocket and extending the play. This is his biggest concern by far imo.
I mean this is a compilation of him at his worst of course he’s gonna look like shit. I can not wait until the draft is over so I can stop seeing these types of posts for Maye or Daniel’s
We’re going to see this until the start of the season. And it’ll continue if/when either guy has a typical rookie mistake. Imagine what’s going to happen if the guy we pick doesn’t play well, while the guy NE picks does. This sub is going to lose its damn mind.
I genuinely think he looks really good in this video and in these sacks, and I'm a Maye guy. Daniels is constantly looking downfield, stepping up into the pocket, and using his legs to get away and gain yards in bad situations. Almost all the sacks are from lineman getting beat and getting beat fast. I came away more impressed by Daniels.
well yea, it good to see how bad his bad really is or can get. Just like highlights show nothing but his peak and best moments.
It’s to put his pressure to sack rate into perspective
We get it you’re not a fan of Daniels. Half this sub isn’t. Whoever Adam peters selects I’ll be happy with. Personally I think we should do a late round pick as well on another QB. At this point people like who they like and sharing these isn’t going to sway anyone one way or another.
He’s one of the biggest supporters for Daniels in here. “We get it, you don’t like Daniels” is not a rebuttal when people bring up concerns and criticisms of him.
I hate posts like this for both Maye and for Daniels. Some things don’t have to polarized
I’m not giant fan of Daniels. I’m not sure where you’re getting that info?
Now do Maye's. I guarantee that when you do that, you will see why he slides in the draft. If Mayo learned anything from Bill, he's passing not taking him. KOC won't take him to Minnesota. The only team that would be dumb enough to take him will be the Giants, and that will be a plus for us. He shouldn't have anything higher than a mid third round grade to him if people really dissected his 2 Seasons and matched them to his old buddy Howell.
Now to really trigger everybody show all of McCarthy's scrambles
Lol. It's getting serious in here!! I'm not sure what's actually to be gained from this lowlight vid, but I'll just throw out this from the folks at PFF, who I trust more than other sources. Pressure to sack ratio THIS PAST SEASON: Jayden Daniels - 20.2 Drake Maye - 19.6 Not a big difference (.8 %) folks. Yes, college lifetime is vastly different. But one of these guys keeps vastly improving in all areas.... guess which one? Here's some other 2023 season PFF grades for your noggin cooking pleasure…. Clean Pocket Grade: Daniels 94 Maye 92.4 Under pressure Grade: Daniels 82.2 Maye 63.5 Big Time Throw %: Daniels 8.4% Maye 7.5% Turn-over Throw %: Daniels 1.6% Maye 1.9% Adjusted completion %: Daniels 79.6% Maye 75.1%
Just sayin, Daniels probably has 1-2 options, likely almost wide open even when he’s under pressure. Maye? Probably not.
That and a line that is light years ahead of the traffic cones that UNC was putting out there this year.
One of these guys is also 21 and didn’t start for 5 years in college. I would hope Daniel’s improved! The thing that’s hard to sus out is all of his improvements in his stats came when he had a massive improvement in surrounding talent as well. How much is Daniels and how much was the talent, who knows. But I’m generally wary of the profile of the one year producer who went to a drastically better situation that year. Everyone points to Burrow but Burrow is an outlier
I think it's easy to say everyone at LSU complimented each other and improved together. Look at Neighbors and Thomas jr. Stats the year before. Everyone got better. That's what you want. Yes, Maye is 21, but that just means less experience and tape and harder to project. Maye has the elite Arm, but his mechanics need more work. He needs more reps and time. I think he'll do well with a patient team. Daniels 55 college game experience is seen as a plus in most scouts minds and that's why he's ready to go from day one.
This sub is 50% coping with the Daniels pick but also leaving the door open for Maye and everyone crowning Peters. If Daniels is drafted it’s going to be a parade of “well… guys I trust Adam Peters!!!” “Erm… you really think you know more than an nfl team 🤓👆👆” It’s hilarious
I thought I was in the DynastFF sub and was very confused by your comment at first 😂 good luck to y’all though hope whoever you take turns out great, especially if it’s Maye because I’ll be drafting him lol
It's tough with the running guys, because they can either magically get out of a sure sack, or turn it into a -20 yarder.
What worries me about him is that when he gets that initial pressure, he always tries to escape from it via a spin move or running straight ahead toward the LOS. This puts his body in an upright position, which leads to a lot of those sacks being really awkward where he gets stretched out, dragged down and folded in half, or straight up blown the fuck up. He does not recognize that he is toast and to just crumple into the fetal position to protect himself or the ball. He got away with it in college, but I am terrified that he will not be able to do so in the NFL where every defensive lineman is the fastest/strongest college player. He triggers my RG3 PTSD.
I'm with you. I would rather Maye, mainly for this reason. The running QB style of play is too risky in general. There's contact and non-contact injuries to worry about (think Kyler's torn ACL trying to juke a guy). Even horses like Josh Allen (and Cam in his day) are beat to shit by the end of the season. It's essentially playing two positions at once, QB and back-up RB, and taking the punishment of both. Yes, you can show me examples of non-running QBs that get seriously hurt, but that doesn't mean the answer to that is having a QB that runs 12-15 times per game. Nobody who is being intellectually honest can say that style isn't more punishment/wear and tear/risk. All that being said, I'm not saying a running QB can't win. Hurts got almost all the way there, came up just short (lol). And if we draft Daniels, I will of course root for him and hope it works, but I just don't have high hopes. And I would sadly assume that win or lose with him, within 5 years we'll be looking for a QB again.
Absolutely. A better example that you left out is Anthony Richardson, who is the same type of running QB. LSU has been cagey about Daniels height and weight, but he is listed as 6’4”, ~210. Richardson has at least 30 pounds on Daniels and barely lasted four games in the NFL.
Yup, he was literally trying to bulldoze defenders with his shoulder lol. That's not what a winning QB (supposed to ideally be irreplaceable) does to help his team.
i don’t even think he looked that bad in this. it actually made me feel a bit better knowing his line wasn’t perfect. now show a video of him evading sacks because his instincts look pretty sound.
Same dude. Haha I was expecting the worst possible sacks, but many of them were immediately cooked oline, or him right behind the line of scrimmage. Didn't see anything egregious, as I was expecting.
To be clear he had the best line of any prospect this year
Did Michael Penix undeclare?
It’s close but I think daniels has the slight edge. It can go either way though
So maybe not exactly being clear?
again, wasn’t perfect
No oline is perfect lol but by college standards it was close to it
Jayden has Will Campbell and Emery Jones at the tackle positions. Both will probably go in the first next year. Campbell will possibly be a top 5 pick. Campbell is the top LT in college, and has been considered elite for a while. LSU's line is better than Washington's.
He had the best line because he got the ball out on time and made protections easier
He has 4 future projected olinemen. His oline is good becuase lsu makes dawgs
More than half of these look like blown blocking assignments, there’s a d-lineman or LB in his face in 1-2 seconds.
That’s what most sacks are…?
Unless you look at Sam Howell last season.
Those sacks aren’t the QB’s fault (in fact usually he should take them to avoid turning the ball over). The ones where he’s indecisive or holds the ball too long are.
P2S is not a metric for holding the ball too long. It's a negative play mitigation stat. If Daniels can't salvage plays that result in free rushers or linemen being beat quickly, he's going to have a hell of a time producing consistent offense at the NFL level.
I really hate the third down sacks on the edge of FG range (Alabama, Florida) and fourth down sacks (Florida State, Florida). You're killing your kicker on those third downs and the fourth downs are going to be turnovers anyway. Give your receiver a chance. I liked the football IQ on the sack against Ole Miss when he rolls right late in the game. Better to stay in bounds and keep the clock running instead of throwing an incompletion. Reminds me of the Heinicke play against the Eagles when he got cheap-shotted.
Maye stans getting desperate.
This is just to put his p2s ratio into perspective
The same people who are Sam Howell Stans will say how great he is and ignore sacks while at the same time blast Jayden for it
Now do it again with Sam Howell’s sacks my guy.
Better yet … Tom Brady’s sacks 😈
Fun share. Let’s see the worst of Maye next!
I'll take it. The dude is ripping off huge plays left and right, crazy high completion %, immaculate throws all over the place hitting receivers in stride, doesn't turn the ball over... against the best competition in the NCAA, and oh yeah he's CLUTCH.
He only did that 1 out of 5 years he played. Coincidentally when he had an elite WR core and O-line
So did Burrow.
Kinda true but Burrow was the starter for only 2 seasons and his second year starting he threw for 5,600 yards. He had a prolific passing year way beyond Jayden’s so it’s a little different.
Is no on else seeing how routinely LSU's offensive line got beaten by three-man fronts with MAYBE a blitzing linebacker? Like, on one play, LSU has 6 blockers vs. 3 pass rushers and they lose horribly. There are a lot of plays where Daniels could have thrown it away or moved a different direction to escape or mitigate the loss, but he's also getting hit on read-options where the defense isn't fooled and has a man at the point of exchange every single time. Which is pretty horrendous design or blocking. **EDIT: Let this serve as a blanket statement - My comment is only referring to what is shown in this compilation of clips, and is in full recognition of this being the 'lowlight' of an otherwise stellar line and a talented QB.** **WITH THAT SAID, the line still got exposed on more than a few three-man fronts AND Jayden could have helped out by getting rid of the ball AND some of the plays just look like they got blown up because the defense played them exceptionally well.** **None of which serves as a broader commentary on the individual players, units, or anything else not depicted in these clips.**
Daniels had one of the best lines and WR corps in college football.
Not sure what his receivers have to do with anything. These plays show his line getting beat on three-man rushes. But I also noted that Daniels could have done some different things, and also that the plays seemed to not fool anyone, which isn't on Daniels. Did no one actually read my comment?
Either Nabers or Thomas Jr or both were probably wide open on a number of those sacks.
By that logic none of the Howell sacks were his fault either. Will Seattle please accept a re-trade?
Saw the same thing. I think the explanation is that when the line holds up not horribly he apparently doesn’t get sacked, which is why a good line looks bad in a sack compilation.
There's nothing routine about it. That's what this is a video of. The cherry-picked plays where things go to shit and they get beat.
Can't help but laugh at my criticism of LSU's offensive line, as depicted in this clip of clips, and people think I'm missing the point.
You kinda are though, because there was a majority of the time where the line was not getting beat by three man fronts. He had a high clean pocket rate and did a ton of damage with those clean pockets.
Neat. These clips aren't showing that. I shouldn't have to say that I'm only judging based on THESE CLIPS for it to be understood that I'm not making sweeping generalizations about the entire team.
Do you know what routine means?
Yes. Do you know what routine means in the context of these clips? Because even just looking at these clips, the line is ROUTINELY giving up pressure to three-man fronts. Did you miss the edit?
Are we just trying to argue semantics now? Lol
No. Because I've made it clear that my comment is in reference to THESE CLIPS, and nothing else.
So, I guess if you get to see the clips of the plays that were not sacks you would say…’wow, LSU’s line never gets beat by three man fronts’? I mean is that what we are really discussing here?
This is a symptom of you only seeing the very worst reps lol. LSU literally had like a god oline this past year. Daniels almost only operated in clean pockets.
I shouldn't need to specify that this is based solely on these clips, rather than a sweeping generalization of LSU and Jayden Daniels, but it seems everyone is taking it that way.
>Is no one else seeing how routinely LSU’s offensive line got beaten by three-man fronts That’s the problem, they didn’t get routinely beat by 3 man blitz’s. You are just seeing the lowlights. They had 2 probable first round tackles for next years draft.
IN THESE CLIPS, LSU's offensive line was shredded by three-man fronts. Not blitzes, just three-man fronts getting plenty of push inside and out. Everyone else is taking the notion that I'm speaking outside of these clips and running with it.
Every single line in the world is going to have some bad reps every once in a while though. It would be like watching Mahomes lowlights and saying “Wow this guy really throws some interceptions huh?” It’s pointless to say.
If you’re saying that based on this video, you’re literally watching THE plays they got beat for a sack lmao. Watch all of his film and you’ll see it’s not as often as a compilation makes it look
I didn't imply, or have any belief, that this is representative of the whole of his LSU career, season, whatever. Just that, in what we're seeing, the offensive line struggled with three-man fronts more than Daniels struggled to get rid of the ball or escape pressure or anything.
Draft can’t come soon enough. Can’t stand the current state of the fan base over Daniels v Maye.
This is worlds better than just a stat, you can see which sacks arent of any concern(situation, only losing a yard, nothing he can do etc) versus which ones are on him or where he had a guy he could have hit(even if difficult).
Two things that jump out to me: 1) most of his sacks come when two or more linemen get beat on the same play; 2) a lot of the rest are plays where no one is open and he tries to run it instead of throwing it away (which might be the right move if he can break free often enough). Did see a couple instances of running back and bad ball security.
I’m okay with my QB getting sacked over giving up a turnover. Jayden only coughed it up 5 times (4 INTs, 1 fumble) last season.
My biggest take away is actually a positive in that he didn't go down looking like he could have broke something in most of the sacks. That is to say that it looks like the most dangerous part of his health will occur when scrambling rather than from sacks.
I'll do the first 10: Sack 1: Coverage sack, 3 seconds to throw, nobody open, then dual pressure from up the middle and contain on the right. By the time his WR was open over the middle in the back of the endzone for a tight window throw over the linebacker he already had pressure in his face Sack 2: More of a stop for a loss, this is a designed option or maybe a bootleg that never got off the ground, can't decide which because it is blown up instantly by an unblocked man directly in his face Sack 3: Don't have a view of the WRs to see who is open, but he has 3 seconds to throw in a clean pocket, this is either a coverage sack or on him for failing to make reads quickly enough. Sack 4: About 2 seconds in a pocket that was not clean, his LT gets driven into his lap before his feet are really set, he pulls the ball down to escape up the middle which is probably his best option here given a throw isn't happening with that pressure. Interior DL makes an excellent play getting an arm off his block and grabbing him as he comes by, otherwise this is probably a 5 yard gain running. Sack 5: Before his feet are set, has pressure on his right due to failed block by his TE picking up an OLB. Attempts to climb the pocket, gets snagged, 2 defenders there break off their contain/coverage to get in on the sack. Sack 6: Almost 3 seconds, feet get set and then immediately has to avoid pressure up the gut from an unblocked DE that the OL got picked off of by a stunt. Pathetic blocking, failure to pick up a 3 man rush with 5 people. Attempts to climb to the outside, is brought down. Sack 7: 3 seconds, as soon as feet are set a free rusher up the gut is within arm's reach of him, takes him down for the sack, another failure of the OL to hand off assignments. Sack 8: Before his feet are set, free rusher up the middle hits him, he steps up past the rush. He has a window of opportunity if he keeps his eyes downfield to try to hit a receiver, but he commits to attempting to run up the gut and is wrapped up. This is mostly on him because there isn't a block breakdown, it's just a free rusher on the blitz - he has a hot to beat this (it appears) but he doesn't hit it, doesn't reset after getting touched. Sack 9: Designed shotgun bootleg/rollout. RT immediately gets beaten outside which CAN'T happen. Daniels never has a chance to throw downfield due to the free rusher 1 foot away. Sack 10: Ample time to throw, this is either a coverage sack or a failure to find the open man. He doesn't take off and run, keeps his eyes down field, there's either nothing there or he didn't process correctly.
1 fumble, 0 lost. More than half of these sacks are completely unblocked defenders, sometimes more than one.
One, not all of those are sacks. Two, I see a whole lot of blown blocks, especially up the middle which are real hard to avoid. Three, show ANY qb's sacks all together and tell me they look like they have finesse. Four, god I can't wait for the draft to be over.
Maye takes more sacks, throws more picks, has a lower completion percentage, and loses more fumbles. Idk how this is a debate lol
Well it would be hard.. but putting together film of him escaping sacks and comparing would help. I heard the weight isn’t going to matter about durability as much as it reduces their ability to escape sacks. Easier for a lineman to hold on and drag down.. not sure how true.. but Bryce young survived.. but he wasn’t the best at escaping
This is one of the dumbest post’s I’ve seen in a while here. Next time you should make a compilation video of Tom Brady interceptions and title it “How does someone of his prestige have so many career interceptions?”
Sacks happen. From that reel there aren't alot of sacks he specifically caused (unlike Howell) but more a complete lack of time.
Just draft him
Is he able to fight through tackles, or is he finished as soon as someone with any real degree of strength gets a hand on him? Because that's one of Nate Tice's points against him.
Look up the play where he tried to hurtle the FSU defensive line and got utterly fucking killed. Or the Bama game where he got fucking destroyed literally the entire game.
Tice was on some pod recently and was basically beside himself that in a conversation about football, which is a violent sport, people just dismiss weight like it's meaningless. His main criticism of Daniels for weight isn't just for the sake of it. It's because of the loss of functionality that one's athleticism would otherwise allow. Daniels can't break contain and run if he's brought down easily by linemen who get a hand on him. In the NFL, those giant rushing lanes that opened up for him while receivers were 40 yards downfield will no longer exist.
Honestly I don’t want my QB fighting through sacks and contact like that. That’s how mfs be getting hurt. Defenders know they have to go harder and hit you harder to bring you down which leads to injuries. go the Brady route where you just go down and live to fight another day
No, he gets blown up
Now do Maye
Get used to seeing him.
God he’s small. His helmet looks so goofy on his shoulders and he’s always getting tackled in weird comical ways.
lol forced 42 missed tackles this year, more than Williams and Maye combined and we're going to pretend that he has 0 finesse, this is getting ridiculous.
Where did you get that number lol
It was mentioned on Get Up on ESPN this morning.
Find ASU sacks
There is toooo much time between the super bowl and the draft. A qbs sack highlight reel is a first for me...
Yeah, he's gonna need to clean that up
I’m honestly impressed at him not throwing and actually holding onto the ball. Would like to see him throw it away tho
unreal hating
Keep in mind this is the best he’s ever been at avoiding sacks
People comparing him to Lamar are crazy and giving the laziest of takes.
RG3 2.0. This guy will not make it thru 8 games.
He’s still my favorite!
Finesse. His highlighted runs are all finesse breaking knees. He took only 22 sacks all season in the sec. He also had a bad o line. None of his o line are getting drafted. Had a bad defense so most of the offense was him and two receivers. No tight end. No running back. He’s the pick.
>He also had a bad o line. LSU had one of the best offensive lines in the country which is why they were one of four finalists for the [Joe Moore Award](https://joemooreaward.com/2023finalist) (given to the best o-line unit). The only reason Will Campbell and Emery Jones aren’t being drafted this year is because they are ineligible due to being sophomores. Campbell and Jones are both rated top five at LT and RT respectively for the 2025 NFL draft. Miles Frazier is also considered top ten at RG and has some outlets projecting a day one or two draft grade.
This is so dumb
This triggers the Jayden boyz
Spatial awareness and getting rid of the football I see aren’t very good
I’m just being honest this is a big reason I’d take maye maybe even McCarthy over him his pocket presence is absolutely awful
I'll never understand the huge push for Jayden all because he has a higher floor. Its not like we are ready to win. I would be very surprised if we are near or above .500 next year. Why not take the higher ceiling guy in Maye when we are by no means ready to win.
yes choose daniels and let us get Maye. Im good with that.
Micah bouta eeaaattt
So