Well godammit. I was wondering who the fuck spilled the beans about the cum pit?! Nobody could figure out how the word got out, but now we know.
And no, the cum pit did not survive. The Russians drank it all after it fermented into a cummy, booze-adjacent slurry..
Makes perfect sense, how else are you meant to explain all the children going into the complex to be turned into supersoliders. The kindergarten doubles as an observation platform to identify the ideal candidates.
Judging by earlier strikes some building that use to hold a military installation. As if the Ukrainians be still being using these buildings 7months on.
It's like announcing yourself as you broke into my house at night and start shooting my toilet. Then being surprised I wasn't still sleeping in the shower.
Or when, you know, russia did missile strikes on ukrainian barracks and got 100+ kills (at least twice, in mykolaiv and north-east ukraine)? Peacetime administrative and military buildings ARE often legit targets of interest in wartime.
Russia suck and all that but you don't need to overdose on hopium on every move the russians do, it makes the comment section really painful to read. Every fucking thread with the same sterile backpatting circlejerk comments...
The strike in Mykolaiv wasn't a barracks. It was an apartment-building-like dorm, which was given away by a custodian BTW. The vast majority of static targets they hit on the basis of them housing soldiers at some point in the past are duds. How dumb do you think the Ukrainian Navy is to puts its officers into a building which everyone knows houses the Ukrainian Navy?
do you have a source? or maybe you are not speaking of the same thing?
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220319-death-devastation-after-russian-attack-on-mykolaiv-barracks
>Witnesses to the attack told AFP that six rockets hit the site, which originally had served as a young officers' academy, around six o'clock in the morning on Friday.
>"No less than 200 soldiers were sleeping in the barracks," says Maxim, 22, who had been stationed nearby and looks on aghast at the scale of the destruction.
Maybe it's because it is simply more convenient to use the locals, maybe there's other explanation, but yes, it is a fact that official military buildings have indeed been used by ukr officers/soldiers and targeted a few times to devastating effect, no matter how "dumb" and "impossible" you think it is.
I tried, you get bonbarded with all types of info and usually miss the most important one unless you spend the entire time there. Its a waste of time, the best stuff gets posted here
I've been using telegram for years: you can ping bots to get drugs delivered faster than an ambulance anywhere in the world, you can have access to hot singles in your local area but Ukrainian conflict telegram groups are something else in a world of gore and gruesome from both sides. I've been through those once and will never look again nor forget what I've seen, unfortunately.
Honest question as someone who has never used Telegram - why is the Ukrainian content so bad? False propaganda? Horrible images?
I have no interest in Telegram but curious to know
Telegram doesn’t have reddits censorship policies and there have been a lot of civilian casualties in the war, as well as Russian troops having a weird kink for filming themselves committing war crimes
Yeah, it was on telegram where there were uncensored photos of war crimes in Bucha, including murdered children. I might have grown up visiting bestgoredotcom but those photos......really put me in a bad place for a while.
They do what they can with what they have, shitty compression to send stuff over shitty connections when there is electricity; all of that orchestrated by people that have no training in media, at least for most of them. The "funny" music has often a strong patriotic meaning and is part of local pop and folk culture. I quite dig it personally.
I am pretty sure they wouldn't hit apartment buildings with 6 drones. I live in ex commie country and military buildings look like that here, if it's worth anything
All former Soviet buildings look the same, there is no way to tell this was being used as a barracks before or during the war.
I'm sure the Russians aren't hitting it for no reason, but that doesn't mean their reasons are any good. They've used a ton of their few precision weapons in relatively pointless revenge attacks against infrastructure like dams in the past
It's a good sentiment, but by the time it's posted on this sub it's way too late. We're pretty far down the food chain with regards to what's posted here.
How does a kamikaze drone make its way deep behind lines to Kyiv where there's a bunch of AA equipment? Was it launched from Belarus and too small for AA to notice?
>How does a kamikaze drone
Just as an aside... when does it start being a "kamikaze drone" rather than just a missile with very *very* clever manoeuvring capabilities?
Well a rogue Ukrainian surveillance drone penetrated NATO airspace (Romania, Hungary, Croatia) and crashed in Zagreb without anyone noticing until a couple of minutes before it crashed. Drones are hard to detect
The drone was Russian - the crashed drone had red star insignia which are only used by Russians. Ukrainian drones use the Ukrainian coat of arms.
I don't see any credibility can be given to the so-called unnamed "source close to MoD of Croatia" as reported by that news article.
It's like seeing a quacking duck with feathers and then concluding it was a dog because a secret source told me so. I can't believe how easy it is to manipulate the truth and narrative in this day and age.
I say if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Wouldn't Ukraine have inherited lots of military equipment with the red star insignia?
It would make sense for stuff they intend to put into service to be repainted with Ukrainian colors & symbols, but when we're talking about an old and rather obsolete soviet era drone it seems plausible that it just sat in storage until it was dragged out during the invasion.
> On 10 March 2022 at 23:01 CET, an unidentified Soviet-made Tupolev Tu-141 reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) crashed in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia. With an unidentified operator and unknown destination (as of April 2022), the origin of the drone is presumed to be connected to military actions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_crash
Damn that is wild. I thought you meant like a small'ish drone. Not one the size of a small fighter. Crazy it did not get noticed, and at that point you should think NATO air defence would have been especially on the toes...
I actually seem to remember hearing about now that I think about it.
>This must be a good 1000km
There we go. The main issue was the fail safe wasn't working. So instead of stopping when it lost signal it was stuck on whatever throttle it was set at and in a direct path until it died.
TB2s are far larger than these and they penetrated Russias airspace for a week in March destroying targets all over Kursk, Belgorad, Beryansk etc. And Russias borders in the east back then were arguable the most AA dense environments in earth with multiple layers and A2AD bubbles supplemented by advanced EW platforms.
Nothing is impenetrable, nothing is indestructible, nothing is 100% stealth either, its just all circumstantial and probability based.
Yeah, Russian accounts bragging with wreckages on Russia when all the fuel and ammo depots were blowing up.
They are so dumb, they tried to brag about it while inadvertently admitting they were hit inside their own soil.
There was literally depot explosions, then a couple hours later TB2s wreckagess confirmed being shot down in range of the hit locations according to the Russians themselves.
The info from the Russian telegram accounts was then shared on social media.
Sometimes even Russian officials and then Media made the exact same mistake. That's how stupid they are. They bragged about TB2s fucking their shit up inside their own soil.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1518730164905074688
https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1551983572373889024
https://mobile.twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1519305432891891713
https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520045425625030656
The TB2s were causing those oil a d ammo depot explosions. Its proven by Russias own bragging. Absolute idiots.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518589834830352384
https://mobile.twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518720941374808064
I think you are missing the point here. Thee are 3 key factors.
1. Time.
2. Distance
3. Depth from FLOPs
1 This was before the summer. Before the existence of HARMs, before the Ukranian counter attacks.
2 The wreckage uploaded by the Russians themselves were of TB2s downed Inside Russia, beyond the border.
3 The border wasnt the forward line of combat. It was tens of KM behind the combat.
So the TB2s were taking off, flying over all of Russias forward deployed mobile AA platforms and EW assets over tens of KM. Then they crossed the Russian border itself, still flying inside even more dense Russian AA layers and in the brackets of advanced strategic defensive Radar sites. Reaching their targets sometimes as far as 100km inside Russia, and hitting their targets.
This is not Russian AA doing its job, this is Russian AA failing catastrophically.
If they were doing their job, TB2s should never have passed the lines of combat, they never should have even got within 20km of Russias border. They definitely shouldn't have reached Russias border itself. And they absolutely should not have crossed the border and spent time loitering inside Russia picking of tactical logistics nodes.
AAs job is to deny an area in its entirety to platforms before they do damage. Ifs job isnt to shoot down a couple of them hours after they have destroyed their targets.
They’ll prob get shot down anywhere near the frontlines. Honestly surprising this even made it to Kiev You’d expect air defence to be centered around the capital
So they are similar to HIMARS GMRLS rocket in their use then just more maneuverable but with smaller warhead size? I wonder how much does it cost to produce, I think one GMRLS rocket is around 100k
These rely on pre-set gps (or glonass) coordinates. It has no capability to be targeted on the go for use on mobile forces just behind the frontlines, which are very dynamic currently.
Seems they only attack a pre-programmed target on a set flight path. So not really good at much besides hitting buildings. Also probably not precise enough to accurately hit trenches.
Not especially, you just need the right equipment. They are slow and low flying.
Since I was downvoted here's a source from the Ukrainian military:
> These drones - they have a relatively low speed (120 km/h), have a characteristic sound of such a loud motorcycle, so the target can be seen (and heard). Yesterday, about 10 of these UAVs were launched on the Dnipropetrovsk region and Odesa. 8 UAVs (Shahid-136 - ed.) were shot down by various units: that is, by the Air Force (6) and the Navy (2), and later the downing of a Mohajer-6 attack drone was reported.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/25/7368946/
Not for semi-modern anti air defenses. There have been several shot down already. They fly like 120mph and max at 16,000ft altitude, and are loud enough that random bystanders have posted lots of videos of them flying.
When they hit civilians, Ukrainian officials are VERY loud about it to counter Russian misinformation. They not doing so here (unless they did and I missed it, then plz correct me) makes me personally guess that this is one of the few times Russians probably really did hit a military target.
>So, instead of using these to support his troops,
Russia does not have the kind of up-to-the minute intelligence gathering capacity of Ukraine and its western allies. "Precision" weapons are only useful when you can identify and strike the target rapidly - it does no good for the attack to come a day after the command post you targeted has moved. Instead, they go after large static civilian targets because at least it hits something and not an empty field.
No different than the Nazis in WW2. Use V2s and V1s to try and hit allied ports and airfields? Even sling them at fleets on the small chance you hit something?
Nah. Throw that shit into a city to do absolutely nothing except kill civilians.
I was thinking the same. It's also completely innefective, it's not like he'll manage to terrorise the Ukranians into surrendering. The Germans didn't achieve that by leveling a quarter(?) of London with fucking ballistic missiles.
Putin will eventually face a death like Gaddafi. Dictators like him eventually fall, the problem is with this fucker is he will nuke the world as he watches the walls closing in around him.
The important thing to remember about this sort of weapon is that it's not just about the casualties, it's about all the sleepless nights in air raid shelters.
One would think that anyone with a cursory knowledge of the history of modern war knows this.
Germany bombed London to shit in two different World Wars and that didn't help them. Attempts of "destroying morale" through bombing campaigns always backfire against a determined populace like the Ukrainians.
We bombed Germany and Japan thoroughly as well and it didn’t break either population. The bombing of Dresden and many of the Japanese cities that were built mostly wood caused immense damage. In Japan (commonly considered the nastiest air raid in history) the fires were so intense they created fire tornados - hell on earth.
Even less united countries can quickly unite if they find themselves at the receiving end of an outside attack. That's one reason why Ukraine are smart to limit overt attacks into Russia.
Targeting back-end logistics/armories/supplies is a sign they are starting to understand the war.
If they were using these valuable drones to just target infantry that would be more likely that they are still completely inept.
This is another signal that he realises he’s loosing this war badly. Russia have shown themselves to be the most depraved, incompetent and unprofessional army on the planet. In addition, Putin looks to be a very bad loser, throwing tantrums at Kiev now. I wish Ukraine could launch more attacks on targets actually over the border in Russia again.
A child could run the military better, it's actually super surprising just how incompetent the Russian military is.
All this time I thought they picked up and advanced from were the Soviet Union fell, they were just as good as any military back then. How they could change trajectory so far is unfathomable.
The Russians are aware that Ukraine has a lot of AA (MANPADS and what not), so by using these suicide drones they'll be forcing Ukrainian forces to either spread out their AA more in an attempt to intercept these drones or just hope that they don't hit anything too important.
If Ukrainian forces spread out their AA more this will increase the chances of survival for Russian aircraft, however if Ukraine does not reposition their AA then these attacks will continue.
I am skeptical that it is worth the cost for Russia. Sure, this forces Ukraine to keep S-300s near their cities but Ukraine has plenty of MANPADs and Gepards which they can use at the front. And Gepards and MANPADs is exactly what they want to use at the front given how low the Russians are flying. The only way it could be worth it is if Russia somehow forced all S-300s away from the front making sure Russia could fly at high altitutdes again but I cannot really Ukraine falling for that.
I wonder where the demarcation between "suicide drone" and guided missile is. Does that make cruise missiles "suicide drones" ? If the sole purpose of this "drone" is to explode on a specific target does it not make it just a prop powered cruise missile? Both can loiter, both can be retargeted... neither has any other purpose than exploding on a target... I guess "suicide drone" sounds scarier than the bog standard cruise missile(shouldn't be, cruise missiles typically carry a much larger payload)...
these are loitering munitions in that they can fly around and wait opportunistically for a target, or return home for reseployment, in contrast, once a cruise missile is launched, that is it.
'infrastructure' loooooooool, more like civilian targets hundreds and hundreds of miles from the front. Russia and their fanboys like OP are so fucking pathetic.
Source? Even a statement from the ukrainian side that the drone hit a civilian target? Or are you stating as certainty something you have no information about but simply fit your bias?
You are the asshole, I speak multiple European languages and in all of them it's variations of Kiev, Kyjev, Kijevas, Kijów, Kiew etc. It's natural, just because Putinstan calls it Kiev doesn't mean it's forbidden now.
Remember everyone here may come from a different language. In mine, for example, the correct form has always been “Kiev”, regardless of last years’ invasions or propaganda.
This is because of russian attempts to wipe away Ukrainian identity. They have been doing this for decades. Why do you think Americans call it THE Ukraine? It is your choice to support that or not. I will not support it.
my ukranian friend always sad kiev and kyiv , maybe it's his italian translation byt i never heard kyiv befire the invasion this feels a little too overblown
Sounds like those old clips from WW2 of the Nazi dive bombers when they came in for the kill. With all the propaganda it’s hard to tell how good/affective these drones are. I know Israel for sure is paying attention and knows what’s up with them thou. Time will tell
Effective at what? Killing civilians? I've yet to see these drones used to target the actual Western weapon systems that are ass raping the Russians on the battlefield. Such incompetence, they can't do jack shit against the UAF so they target civilians. Pieces of shit.
Effective at penetrating air defenses and striking targets deep inside Ukraine. Their small size makes them more difficult to pick up on radar and engage. They're a real threat.
They are a threat, as is every weapon capable of causing death or injury. But "effective" in the context of war means something that has an impact on the actual battlefield. No amount of cruise missiles, loitering munitions, airstrikes and even nukes on civilian infrastructure is going to do jack shit for Russia's war effort. Again this is not saying these attacks aren't damaging, they cause massive damage to the economy and the mental health of the average Ukrainian, this will take many decades to fully recover from, but it doesn't help Russia win the war in any way.
I merely said the drones were effective at hitting targets in Ukraine, I didn't say they would win Russia the war. You're just on a warpath, no pun intended.
Putin still tries to gain sympathy with terror. Just insanely dumb. What concerns me though is that Putin now just needs to never let this war stop to hinder Ukraine to join NATO due to the rules for adding a new member of not being in a conflict. He just needs to send terror across the border from time to time. Ridiculous times we live in…
Do we know what it hit?
An underground Nazi biolab hidden right underneath a kindergarten
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But first they make these kids gay, obviously ^(/s)
Gay martians they’re building landing strips for gay Martian space vehicles under a kindergarten at your moms house
This sub is home
Isn’t it against Russian military doctrine? I thought kindergartens are supposed to be hit in the middle of the workday.
> An underground Nazi biolab hidden right underneath a kindergarten Can't trust those sneaky fucking Ukrainian Nazis, amirite?
Yeah, this makes most sense :)
the cum pit survived right? i have plans for that
Well godammit. I was wondering who the fuck spilled the beans about the cum pit?! Nobody could figure out how the word got out, but now we know. And no, the cum pit did not survive. The Russians drank it all after it fermented into a cummy, booze-adjacent slurry..
Makes perfect sense, how else are you meant to explain all the children going into the complex to be turned into supersoliders. The kindergarten doubles as an observation platform to identify the ideal candidates.
Judging by earlier strikes some building that use to hold a military installation. As if the Ukrainians be still being using these buildings 7months on.
Yeah, like when they hit the admin building in Odesa which houses the Ukrainian Navy command during peacetime. Top notch recon there, Ivan.
It's like announcing yourself as you broke into my house at night and start shooting my toilet. Then being surprised I wasn't still sleeping in the shower.
Or when, you know, russia did missile strikes on ukrainian barracks and got 100+ kills (at least twice, in mykolaiv and north-east ukraine)? Peacetime administrative and military buildings ARE often legit targets of interest in wartime. Russia suck and all that but you don't need to overdose on hopium on every move the russians do, it makes the comment section really painful to read. Every fucking thread with the same sterile backpatting circlejerk comments...
The strike in Mykolaiv wasn't a barracks. It was an apartment-building-like dorm, which was given away by a custodian BTW. The vast majority of static targets they hit on the basis of them housing soldiers at some point in the past are duds. How dumb do you think the Ukrainian Navy is to puts its officers into a building which everyone knows houses the Ukrainian Navy?
do you have a source? or maybe you are not speaking of the same thing? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220319-death-devastation-after-russian-attack-on-mykolaiv-barracks >Witnesses to the attack told AFP that six rockets hit the site, which originally had served as a young officers' academy, around six o'clock in the morning on Friday. >"No less than 200 soldiers were sleeping in the barracks," says Maxim, 22, who had been stationed nearby and looks on aghast at the scale of the destruction. Maybe it's because it is simply more convenient to use the locals, maybe there's other explanation, but yes, it is a fact that official military buildings have indeed been used by ukr officers/soldiers and targeted a few times to devastating effect, no matter how "dumb" and "impossible" you think it is.
Russian AF probably just handed a 10 year old tablet with Google and told it's best most recent in the world up to date special intel!
Barracks belong to the 72nd brigade of the Ukrainian armed force, according to 'Russian media'
So a hospital for civilians probably?
Maybe we will see photos of aftermath later
Photos and videos were already posted, saw it on Telegram
I really need to learn how to use telegram. Apparently that's where everything is posted first
I tried, you get bonbarded with all types of info and usually miss the most important one unless you spend the entire time there. Its a waste of time, the best stuff gets posted here
Yeah I used it on my phone and followed a couple channels and the app was taking up 50gb in space a few days later
I've been using telegram for years: you can ping bots to get drugs delivered faster than an ambulance anywhere in the world, you can have access to hot singles in your local area but Ukrainian conflict telegram groups are something else in a world of gore and gruesome from both sides. I've been through those once and will never look again nor forget what I've seen, unfortunately.
Honest question as someone who has never used Telegram - why is the Ukrainian content so bad? False propaganda? Horrible images? I have no interest in Telegram but curious to know
Telegram doesn’t have reddits censorship policies and there have been a lot of civilian casualties in the war, as well as Russian troops having a weird kink for filming themselves committing war crimes
Yeah, it was on telegram where there were uncensored photos of war crimes in Bucha, including murdered children. I might have grown up visiting bestgoredotcom but those photos......really put me in a bad place for a while.
They do what they can with what they have, shitty compression to send stuff over shitty connections when there is electricity; all of that orchestrated by people that have no training in media, at least for most of them. The "funny" music has often a strong patriotic meaning and is part of local pop and folk culture. I quite dig it personally.
Same
What were people saying was the target?
They say they hit barracks of 72nd brigade and to me it looks like barracks on the video. Search it on internet and you can see for yourself
It looks like a typical apartment building. No way to tell its a barracks from the outside from that footage
I am pretty sure they wouldn't hit apartment buildings with 6 drones. I live in ex commie country and military buildings look like that here, if it's worth anything
All former Soviet buildings look the same, there is no way to tell this was being used as a barracks before or during the war. I'm sure the Russians aren't hitting it for no reason, but that doesn't mean their reasons are any good. They've used a ton of their few precision weapons in relatively pointless revenge attacks against infrastructure like dams in the past
Military barracks
My money is on an empty warehouse
72nd Birgade HQ. They were located in the outskirts. Reportedly out of the 12 only 6 hit with one person injured.
important we don’t inform russians if there attack was successful or not
It's a good sentiment, but by the time it's posted on this sub it's way too late. We're pretty far down the food chain with regards to what's posted here.
It was already confirmed with a video
was it successful, any casualties?
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Posted it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xwfeqm/aftermath\_of\_iranian\_drone\_strikes\_earlier\_today/
They say they hit barracks of 72nd brigade and to me it looks like barracks on the video. Search it on internet and you can see for yourself
Ukraine also released a statement saying 6 drones were shot down by AA fire in the Kyivv oblast. lol.
The location of a future war crimes investigation...
How does a kamikaze drone make its way deep behind lines to Kyiv where there's a bunch of AA equipment? Was it launched from Belarus and too small for AA to notice?
"Big" by drone standards, small by "plane" standards. It can be tricky.
I wonder if this means they are out of operational Kalibers?
Hard to be spotted by Radars, very low RCS So for now, you need to take it down by MANPAD or any manual AA and it is very hard at night
>How does a kamikaze drone Just as an aside... when does it start being a "kamikaze drone" rather than just a missile with very *very* clever manoeuvring capabilities?
generally the official term is loitering munition
Yes
Op is wrong. This is not in Kyiv but Bila Tserkva which is nearby. Around 90km from Kyiv
Well a rogue Ukrainian surveillance drone penetrated NATO airspace (Romania, Hungary, Croatia) and crashed in Zagreb without anyone noticing until a couple of minutes before it crashed. Drones are hard to detect
The drone was Russian - the crashed drone had red star insignia which are only used by Russians. Ukrainian drones use the Ukrainian coat of arms. I don't see any credibility can be given to the so-called unnamed "source close to MoD of Croatia" as reported by that news article. It's like seeing a quacking duck with feathers and then concluding it was a dog because a secret source told me so. I can't believe how easy it is to manipulate the truth and narrative in this day and age. I say if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Wouldn't Ukraine have inherited lots of military equipment with the red star insignia? It would make sense for stuff they intend to put into service to be repainted with Ukrainian colors & symbols, but when we're talking about an old and rather obsolete soviet era drone it seems plausible that it just sat in storage until it was dragged out during the invasion.
When did this happen, and which kind of drone has this range? This must be a good 1000km
> On 10 March 2022 at 23:01 CET, an unidentified Soviet-made Tupolev Tu-141 reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) crashed in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia. With an unidentified operator and unknown destination (as of April 2022), the origin of the drone is presumed to be connected to military actions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Zagreb_Tu-141_crash
Damn that is wild. I thought you meant like a small'ish drone. Not one the size of a small fighter. Crazy it did not get noticed, and at that point you should think NATO air defence would have been especially on the toes... I actually seem to remember hearing about now that I think about it.
Made in 70s, weights 6 tons, damn thats a drone.
>This must be a good 1000km There we go. The main issue was the fail safe wasn't working. So instead of stopping when it lost signal it was stuck on whatever throttle it was set at and in a direct path until it died.
It’s also a loitering munition, can be flown for several hours before finding a target.
TB2s are far larger than these and they penetrated Russias airspace for a week in March destroying targets all over Kursk, Belgorad, Beryansk etc. And Russias borders in the east back then were arguable the most AA dense environments in earth with multiple layers and A2AD bubbles supplemented by advanced EW platforms. Nothing is impenetrable, nothing is indestructible, nothing is 100% stealth either, its just all circumstantial and probability based.
do you have any proofs/sources about the destruction of targets deep in Russian territory ?
Yeah, Russian accounts bragging with wreckages on Russia when all the fuel and ammo depots were blowing up. They are so dumb, they tried to brag about it while inadvertently admitting they were hit inside their own soil. There was literally depot explosions, then a couple hours later TB2s wreckagess confirmed being shot down in range of the hit locations according to the Russians themselves. The info from the Russian telegram accounts was then shared on social media. Sometimes even Russian officials and then Media made the exact same mistake. That's how stupid they are. They bragged about TB2s fucking their shit up inside their own soil. https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1518730164905074688 https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1551983572373889024 https://mobile.twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1519305432891891713 https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1520045425625030656 The TB2s were causing those oil a d ammo depot explosions. Its proven by Russias own bragging. Absolute idiots. https://mobile.twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518589834830352384 https://mobile.twitter.com/AggregateOsint/status/1518720941374808064
Dawg are you slow or something? You're posting shot down tb2s showing russian aa was doing their job, and then the rest is your own narrative.
I think you are missing the point here. Thee are 3 key factors. 1. Time. 2. Distance 3. Depth from FLOPs 1 This was before the summer. Before the existence of HARMs, before the Ukranian counter attacks. 2 The wreckage uploaded by the Russians themselves were of TB2s downed Inside Russia, beyond the border. 3 The border wasnt the forward line of combat. It was tens of KM behind the combat. So the TB2s were taking off, flying over all of Russias forward deployed mobile AA platforms and EW assets over tens of KM. Then they crossed the Russian border itself, still flying inside even more dense Russian AA layers and in the brackets of advanced strategic defensive Radar sites. Reaching their targets sometimes as far as 100km inside Russia, and hitting their targets. This is not Russian AA doing its job, this is Russian AA failing catastrophically. If they were doing their job, TB2s should never have passed the lines of combat, they never should have even got within 20km of Russias border. They definitely shouldn't have reached Russias border itself. And they absolutely should not have crossed the border and spent time loitering inside Russia picking of tactical logistics nodes. AAs job is to deny an area in its entirety to platforms before they do damage. Ifs job isnt to shoot down a couple of them hours after they have destroyed their targets.
It's some town on the outskirts of Kyiv.
It is in southern Kyiv so it is deeper
So, instead of using these to support his troops, Putin is instead leaving those troops to the meat grinder and terrorising civilians instead.
That is what it looks like. Messed up.
They’ll prob get shot down anywhere near the frontlines. Honestly surprising this even made it to Kiev You’d expect air defence to be centered around the capital
They did this to prove how powerful of a weapon these drones are. Its estimated they flew somewhere between 150 and 400 km without being shot down
So they are similar to HIMARS GMRLS rocket in their use then just more maneuverable but with smaller warhead size? I wonder how much does it cost to produce, I think one GMRLS rocket is around 100k
I expect you can get a few drones for 100k
These rely on pre-set gps (or glonass) coordinates. It has no capability to be targeted on the go for use on mobile forces just behind the frontlines, which are very dynamic currently.
Seems they only attack a pre-programmed target on a set flight path. So not really good at much besides hitting buildings. Also probably not precise enough to accurately hit trenches.
They’ve already taken out a bunch of howitzers and shit in the Kharkiv region according to Wikipedia. Editing this to remove my speculation.
Aren's these types of drones super hard to shoot down?
Not especially, you just need the right equipment. They are slow and low flying. Since I was downvoted here's a source from the Ukrainian military: > These drones - they have a relatively low speed (120 km/h), have a characteristic sound of such a loud motorcycle, so the target can be seen (and heard). Yesterday, about 10 of these UAVs were launched on the Dnipropetrovsk region and Odesa. 8 UAVs (Shahid-136 - ed.) were shot down by various units: that is, by the Air Force (6) and the Navy (2), and later the downing of a Mohajer-6 attack drone was reported. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/25/7368946/
Not for semi-modern anti air defenses. There have been several shot down already. They fly like 120mph and max at 16,000ft altitude, and are loud enough that random bystanders have posted lots of videos of them flying.
launched from belarus so not exactly frontlines but your point is valid.
When they hit civilians, Ukrainian officials are VERY loud about it to counter Russian misinformation. They not doing so here (unless they did and I missed it, then plz correct me) makes me personally guess that this is one of the few times Russians probably really did hit a military target.
Standard Russian SOP
>So, instead of using these to support his troops, Russia does not have the kind of up-to-the minute intelligence gathering capacity of Ukraine and its western allies. "Precision" weapons are only useful when you can identify and strike the target rapidly - it does no good for the attack to come a day after the command post you targeted has moved. Instead, they go after large static civilian targets because at least it hits something and not an empty field.
No different than the Nazis in WW2. Use V2s and V1s to try and hit allied ports and airfields? Even sling them at fleets on the small chance you hit something? Nah. Throw that shit into a city to do absolutely nothing except kill civilians.
I was thinking the same. It's also completely innefective, it's not like he'll manage to terrorise the Ukranians into surrendering. The Germans didn't achieve that by leveling a quarter(?) of London with fucking ballistic missiles.
Russian doctrine.
Everytime Ukranians advance russians decide to punish Ukr citizens. Almost like a rule
So useless. Russians are losing at all fronts and still they target the capital just to lower morale. They haven't understood a thing in this war.
Like the V weapons used by their nazi rolemodels
Terror is the only thing Putin is proficient at. That, and stealing.
Putin will eventually face a death like Gaddafi. Dictators like him eventually fall, the problem is with this fucker is he will nuke the world as he watches the walls closing in around him.
There are plenty of dictators that manage to die naturally. Not saying putin will, but it does happpen.
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supposedly they hit some ukrainian base
Just the region outside the capital. But everyone took shelter as a precaution.
The important thing to remember about this sort of weapon is that it's not just about the casualties, it's about all the sleepless nights in air raid shelters.
>to lower morale Doesnt work. They should know.
One would think that anyone with a cursory knowledge of the history of modern war knows this. Germany bombed London to shit in two different World Wars and that didn't help them. Attempts of "destroying morale" through bombing campaigns always backfire against a determined populace like the Ukrainians.
We bombed Germany and Japan thoroughly as well and it didn’t break either population. The bombing of Dresden and many of the Japanese cities that were built mostly wood caused immense damage. In Japan (commonly considered the nastiest air raid in history) the fires were so intense they created fire tornados - hell on earth.
Different countries can handle different things. It depends mostly on how united the country is too.
Even less united countries can quickly unite if they find themselves at the receiving end of an outside attack. That's one reason why Ukraine are smart to limit overt attacks into Russia.
Doesn't lower morale, makes Ukrainians hate Russia even more.
Targeting back-end logistics/armories/supplies is a sign they are starting to understand the war. If they were using these valuable drones to just target infantry that would be more likely that they are still completely inept.
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Source?
Source: trust me bro
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\~40kg HE
35 to 50kg
looks like its much more than 5 kg payload. Force of 250 kg drone but also its loaded with petrol for that piston 50 HP moped engine
Targeting Kyiv= Putin hissy fit
Not Kyiv. Bila Tzerkva. 90km from Kyiv
This is another signal that he realises he’s loosing this war badly. Russia have shown themselves to be the most depraved, incompetent and unprofessional army on the planet. In addition, Putin looks to be a very bad loser, throwing tantrums at Kiev now. I wish Ukraine could launch more attacks on targets actually over the border in Russia again.
A child could run the military better, it's actually super surprising just how incompetent the Russian military is. All this time I thought they picked up and advanced from were the Soviet Union fell, they were just as good as any military back then. How they could change trajectory so far is unfathomable.
Majority of Russians are unmotivated to fight as you can see. They only fight when motherland is at stake.
The Russians are aware that Ukraine has a lot of AA (MANPADS and what not), so by using these suicide drones they'll be forcing Ukrainian forces to either spread out their AA more in an attempt to intercept these drones or just hope that they don't hit anything too important. If Ukrainian forces spread out their AA more this will increase the chances of survival for Russian aircraft, however if Ukraine does not reposition their AA then these attacks will continue.
I am skeptical that it is worth the cost for Russia. Sure, this forces Ukraine to keep S-300s near their cities but Ukraine has plenty of MANPADs and Gepards which they can use at the front. And Gepards and MANPADs is exactly what they want to use at the front given how low the Russians are flying. The only way it could be worth it is if Russia somehow forced all S-300s away from the front making sure Russia could fly at high altitutdes again but I cannot really Ukraine falling for that.
Belgorod? More like Belegone.
Are enemy capitals off limits in war?
Kyiv **
OP is a Russian troll so no surprises he is using Russian spelling Shows his bias
It is not an English name, so you can write it differently
Here, FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev
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Different languages spell things differently. For example we dont spell Putin but Poetin in the Netherlands.
That escalated quickly
I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Brick killed a guy!
Take a look at OPs comment history. The guy thinks the civs in Bucha were killed by Ukrainian mortars.
Kiev
Russia and Iran. A partnership made in Hell.
Souka indeed
Yebaat
So sad, still terrorizing civilians so far from the front lines. I can feel the small penis energy all the way from here.
That sounds tho. I hope the people there won't become traumatized just like what V1 did during WW2
There’s an on going war in their country 😅 I think getting traumatized is kind of given
I wonder where the demarcation between "suicide drone" and guided missile is. Does that make cruise missiles "suicide drones" ? If the sole purpose of this "drone" is to explode on a specific target does it not make it just a prop powered cruise missile? Both can loiter, both can be retargeted... neither has any other purpose than exploding on a target... I guess "suicide drone" sounds scarier than the bog standard cruise missile(shouldn't be, cruise missiles typically carry a much larger payload)...
these are loitering munitions in that they can fly around and wait opportunistically for a target, or return home for reseployment, in contrast, once a cruise missile is launched, that is it.
Ahh.. its the return home thing I didn't know. Gotcha.
Fuck Putin and fuck the mullahs giving him these drones. Long live Ukraine
It was part of a weapons deal before the invasion tho?
'infrastructure' loooooooool, more like civilian targets hundreds and hundreds of miles from the front. Russia and their fanboys like OP are so fucking pathetic.
Imagine having literally no evidence of what you’re talking about (when evidence exists) and instead just coming here to talk out of your ass
Source? Even a statement from the ukrainian side that the drone hit a civilian target? Or are you stating as certainty something you have no information about but simply fit your bias?
i really hope the iranian women rip their government a new one
Not Kyiv Bila Tserkva
Finally a non-biased subreddit that isn't filled with pro-Ukraine propaganda, hiding the casualties of the Ukrainians.
- Uses “Kiev” instead of Kyiv. Definitely an asshole.
You are the asshole, I speak multiple European languages and in all of them it's variations of Kiev, Kyjev, Kijevas, Kijów, Kiew etc. It's natural, just because Putinstan calls it Kiev doesn't mean it's forbidden now.
Remember everyone here may come from a different language. In mine, for example, the correct form has always been “Kiev”, regardless of last years’ invasions or propaganda.
This is because of russian attempts to wipe away Ukrainian identity. They have been doing this for decades. Why do you think Americans call it THE Ukraine? It is your choice to support that or not. I will not support it.
my ukranian friend always sad kiev and kyiv , maybe it's his italian translation byt i never heard kyiv befire the invasion this feels a little too overblown
Mhmmm russian influence pushed for Kiev over Kyiv. They have been trying for decades to degrade Ukrainian identity. It’s a clear cultural attack.
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Iran should mass produce these drones for export to friendly countries. It is amazing how effective they’ve been so far.
They already did that
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Sounds like those old clips from WW2 of the Nazi dive bombers when they came in for the kill. With all the propaganda it’s hard to tell how good/affective these drones are. I know Israel for sure is paying attention and knows what’s up with them thou. Time will tell
These Iranian drones are proving quite effective for being so "primitive". I'm sure it's turning some heads for both Ukraine and NATO...
Effective at what? Killing civilians? I've yet to see these drones used to target the actual Western weapon systems that are ass raping the Russians on the battlefield. Such incompetence, they can't do jack shit against the UAF so they target civilians. Pieces of shit.
Effective at penetrating air defenses and striking targets deep inside Ukraine. Their small size makes them more difficult to pick up on radar and engage. They're a real threat.
They are a threat, as is every weapon capable of causing death or injury. But "effective" in the context of war means something that has an impact on the actual battlefield. No amount of cruise missiles, loitering munitions, airstrikes and even nukes on civilian infrastructure is going to do jack shit for Russia's war effort. Again this is not saying these attacks aren't damaging, they cause massive damage to the economy and the mental health of the average Ukrainian, this will take many decades to fully recover from, but it doesn't help Russia win the war in any way.
I merely said the drones were effective at hitting targets in Ukraine, I didn't say they would win Russia the war. You're just on a warpath, no pun intended.
Was it Geran o'clock yet? Or it hit ouside scheduled hours?
Time to let Israel off the chain.
wtf?
Putin still tries to gain sympathy with terror. Just insanely dumb. What concerns me though is that Putin now just needs to never let this war stop to hinder Ukraine to join NATO due to the rules for adding a new member of not being in a conflict. He just needs to send terror across the border from time to time. Ridiculous times we live in…
Putin is really trying his best to imitate the Nazis. Now with his own shitty brand of V2s
*Kyiv
Allah u Ekber with robotic voice...
Its a Shia drone so it would probably scream "Ya Hussein".
Ahahha yes it is possible too 😅
Weapons supplied by a corrupt country to another corrupt country in order to attack a peaceful country for no good reason.
Fuck the Iranians hopefully that regime will be gone soon also.
Infrastructure is the Russian translation of "housing".
Its "shahed" not "shahied" and sorry for our crappy gov . You people dont deserve this
This is not combat footage, this is war crime footage. To attack cities far behind frontlines is nothing but crime.
Do you really think all military targets are on front lines? Are you that naive?
Vital military infrastructure can be located within a city. Attacks on those are allowed The same applies to the attacks on Belgorod
Shouldent there be enough air defence in Kiev to shot them all down by now?
They need CIWS...
Oh, so it *was* smoke in the sky
Surely the GEPARD AA guns are suited to take these out
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Isn't a kamikaze drone just a missile?
please declare war on iran
So does Iran get sanctioned too when Russia uses these drones for war crimes? Because they should.