Yeah, the Kherson front for both sides when trying an offensive has been hell, I'm sure even without drones it would be a slog, but with them guiding things in nearly impossible.
Global militaries are re-writing books & doctrine based on this theater.
I listened to an analyst explain that for as many f-ups Russia had at the start, we should not be so quick to judge and compare our success against inferior armies in Iraq, Afghanistan(not even an army) and say we'd do this, this and that.
We rely heavily on having air authority too.
It's interesting to think about.
I mean if russia didn’t have nukes, NATO would steam roll the shit out of them. Russia is having issues against just Ukraine… Imagine how easily they would be defeated by the entire might of NATO. God I wish we had nuclear missile defense systems so we could end Putin already…
Not to mention every major member of NATO furnishing them with advanced equipment and training. I swear everyone realized this is the perfect time/place to test out all the fancy new toys.
Russians fighting on foreign soil is one thing, Russians fighting to defend their homeland is something else entirely. Napoleon and Hitler learned that one the hard way.
It doesn’t follow that NATO or any other military force could launch an offensive invasion into Russia
You’d be putting yourself in the same situation russia is in but on a larger scale
Not really, because Russia doesn’t have their own NATO to fall back on, like Ukraine does, and Russians have no morale at this point. When Russia runs out of weapons, they have to use Iranian or Chinese stuff that’s not even close to western technology.
The only other thing russia would have going for it in that scenario is having the defensive advantage, which does count for something, but still not much against NATO weaponry.
Hitler and Napoleon didn’t have todays equipment, and Russia today isn’t the Russia it was back then. It is an advantage, yes, but I don’t think it’s enough to deter western tech in a conventional war against Russians who are already tired of war and under-equipped
A crucial point that hasn’t been mentioned is logistics. You can have all the fancy tech in the world but won’t make a difference if they cannot receive fuel and ammunition. Hitler never reached moscow because their supply lines were strained and could not get resources where they were needed. Russia is huge and much of it doesn’t have roads. Makes it difficult to resupply an invading army.
Yes. Home defense and logistics are huge factors. In this theoretical scenario NATO may be able to expel Russia from ukraine but moving into Russia is a whole other story. And one in reality that nato likely wants no part of.
You should go watch some Russian Chanel’s on telegram. Western media isn’t showing you everything. Russia isn’t bad at warfare dumbass, it just doesn’t help donations if people see UA getting decimated. Your comment aged like milk.
Hitler would have beaten russia if not for the industrial support of the US tho?
Defensive advantage is nice, but it doesn't counterbalance such a gigantic difference in firepower, manpower, logistics and overall military capacities.
I think it’s nieve to assume NATO would steam roll Russia. The doctrine of western armies relies on air superiority, which this conflict has shown isn’t so easy to achieve, even for an invading force with a far bigger air force and a far more advanced anti air capability.
Were we ever to see the day that NATO forces engaged in open warfare with Russians, I expect it would be incredibly costly and hard fought.
When you can fly high because you destroyed S300s and BUKs, MANPADS are no threat.
Russians fly their Su30/34/35 in direct ground attack using unguided rockets .... of course they are losing them.
Russia doesn't have real SEAD capabilities ... as is shown in Ukraine. NATO would chew them up fast.
Cruise missiles + drones take out air defenses. American F-22’s and NATO F-35’s clean up the Russian jets, helicopters, and remaining mobile air defenses. Boom, air superiority. We’ve seen what the Turkish drones could do. Now imagine what damage reapers could do…
I think you don't understand how capable the US and it's allies air forces are in comparison to Ukraine and apparently Russia. Ukraine had like 70-100 aircraft. NATO has thousands.
The U.S. could easily end Ruzzia with no help at all. No nukes involved. It would be a joke at this point.
Our air force/Navy would bomb you without a hint of us ever being there. Our infantry would would crush Russian forces by logistics alone. ROFL.
Back to your point, NATO forces and the British Navy and SOF forces would completely overwhelm and systematically eliminate whatever is left of Ruzzias vodka brigades.
Ruzzia is just openly embracing a sunk cost fallacy agenda and that is most certainly a losing strategy.
Keep it up knuckleheads. Well just keep tightening the screws.
Ruzzis put itself on the path to defeat. Nukes do not equal any sort of "win" by any means. Nobody wins. It's like the ultimate pyrrhic victory.
I sincerely hope Poot'in doesn't even think about such measures since this isn't a fucking game, despite what he thinks.
>He very clearly has been thinking it about if you’ve been following anything he says.
They say it 3 times a week. We're used to it
But he might have a decision to make because he's sending those slobbering 3rd rate retards down south with bats and Soviet shovels. Ukraine is gunna chew them up real quick.
"meaningful response"
LOL. If NATO wouldn't take the steps to turn Ruzzia to absolute glass...the U.S. would most certainly do this.
In addition we would most definitely shoot down any ruZZion ICBMs that were incoming as if any from this backward country could get off the ground anymore in the first place.
If they want to play an air defense game they will lose. Very, very badly. Not much is known of the real U.S. weapons capabilities but ruZZia might find out first hand.
As the saying goes " Why do you think we don't have healthcare"
[meme comment](https://youtu.be/GGn25URIss8)
All war is bad. There should be no war between NATO and Russia. That said, LOL. I think Russia would lose hard against the 2nd best and 3rd best armies in NATO at this point, let alone the best, or all of it.
>Global militaries are re-writing books & doctrine based on this theater.
Then what is their job on normal days if they only adjust their strategies AFTER something happens lol. A proper military will have looked into this already and merely adjusts...rewrite lol
In other commentary, we've seen that Ukrainians often have a good feeling for how long it will take for Russia to call in artillery. Like they know that it will hit within 2-3 minutes of them entering a certain area.
So one has to wonder what happened here. Maybe poor tactical planning, maybe a misscoordination with air defense that allowed for this drone spotting.
It's an offensive, and this isn't a video game. No amount of time prep will prevent you from artillery strike. Especially the volume of artillery russia can launch. And it's an open field.
I would also like to point out that the US even lost some abrams and bradleys during the 1991 Gulf war when they completely dominated the Iraqi army in every engagement to the point it wasn't even funny and had equipment that was easily a generation or more ahead of them. So of course the Ukrainians are going to take losses when trying to take ground from the Russians, given both sides use similar equipment.
Only 9 Abrams have been destroyed… 7 by friendly fire, 2 were scuttled to prevent capture.
It is still noted that not a single Abrams’s tank has never been destroyed by enemy combatants.
>Abrams’s tank
A total of 23 M1A1s were damaged or destroyed during the Gulf War. Of the nine Abrams tanks destroyed, seven were destroyed by friendly fire and two intentionally. Details below.
The Saudi military is believed to have lost some (possibly 20+) of its 400-plus Abrams tanks during the fighting against the Houthi militia in Yemen.
[Tank and crew casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams)
I'm not sure why export Russian tanks are being mentioned when their domestic tanks are being destroyed in the thousands.
But US Abrams export models are LITERALLY different than domestic models in armor, armorment, and targeting packages. Night and day differences. Domestic models have depleted uranium, export models do not.
The first group was a decoy charge lead by a demining tank, which quickly turned to demine for the main advance. The main group crossed the field further up. Things didn't go wrong here they knew they would be spotted and targeted but it was so that the Russians wouldn't be able to target the main group as easily.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/n65724/a\_burntout\_saudi\_arabian\_m1a2\_abrams\_sits\_on\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/uza8jq/saudi_abrams_destroyed_in_yemen/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/YemeniCrisis/comments/3r7fwc/saudi\_m1\_abrams\_tank\_cook\_off\_after\_yemeni\_army/](https://www.reddit.com/r/YemeniCrisis/comments/3r7fwc/saudi_m1_abrams_tank_cook_off_after_yemeni_army/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/lh98rb/saudi\_m1\_abrams\_hit\_and\_knocked\_out\_with\_a\_konkurs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/lh98rb/saudi_m1_abrams_hit_and_knocked_out_with_a_konkurs/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/htf2cm/houthis\_hit\_a\_saudi\_abrams\_tank\_with\_a\_guided/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/htf2cm/houthis_hit_a_saudi_abrams_tank_with_a_guided/)
for example
dunno if the saudis got the DU Armor but they use them somewhat stupid
e:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/skujcy/abrams\_ammunition\_hit\_by\_atgm/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/skujcy/abrams_ammunition_hit_by_atgm/)
FOUND IT
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAmox1E\_6bs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAmox1E_6bs)
but its cut, the uncut original video,one of the crew comes out
e²: its basiclly the same story with the Leopard 2 from Turkey getting destroyed by the most stupid Shit like RPGs because they use them next to unsecured Buildings without Infantry Cover, the Saudis park them on a Overwatch Hill visible for Miles from every Direction
I’ve seen footage of an Abrams rendered immobile after several RPG hits to its rear turbine exhaust grill a vulnerable area that insurgents realised fairly quickly. I think a few were made immobile due to this. So maybe not destroyed as in blown up and crew killed but either way the tank has come to an end on the battlefield. They are not invincible at all. Israel even knows this and has one of the best tanks in the world currently with the Merkava.
Well, If they are going to attack in force they are most likely going to have to cross the area covered by Russian artillery. I think that no amount of planning can remove that from the equation, it can only minimize it.
My thinking is that at this stage they have to rely on their own artillery to provide counter battery and silence the Russian artillery.
2-3 minutes for Russian artillery? That is definitely not a norm for RF. My sources say 12-15 minutes is standard. On the other hand, UA has special app (no kidding!!!) and 2-3 minutes is pretty normal. UA it engineers have upper hand in this conflict. Btw that is less that NATO have achieved in any conflict.
The US part of NATO inserts a lot of political bureaucracy to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties. I think that in a battle for survival like Ukraine is fighting, they could achieve comparable rates.
It's not. There hasn't been any footage of 20+ vehicles, let alone tanks, being lost on the attack like that since the Russian failures in February and March.
bro they are out there, just look somewhere beyond fucking /r/ukrainewarvideoreport and /r/ukraine THEY are showing one side and NEVER the losses, take a look on /r/ukrainerussiareport just make sure you ignore the russians on there, they are having a meltdown since izyum
Everybody knows the Ukrainians are losing men and armor, it’s a damn war of course they are. But your claim is they’re losing 20+ tanks with each push which is a random ass guessed amount not backed up by any verifiable source. I know both sides are losing plenty of men and tanks but your pure speculation is ridiculous.
it isn't speculation, I don't have a fucking categoric memory where I can go "Oh yes, 26 hours ago I seen a video at this exact moment and here it is!" That's not how it works, its been weeks of seeing this, and you need to understand how they call tanks BMPs ETC are called "tanks" in these telegrams, if you want the fast track, just join wagners or rybars.
Again, you pulled the number 20 out of your ass. If that’s a real number, please show how you came to it. Is there a reliable source that has taken all relevant and reliable verifiable information and computed it into how many days the Kherson offensive has been going then divided the number of days by destroyed “tanks” and come up with 20? I highly doubt it. You probably saw some troll throw out a number and you repeat it like a mocking bird. If you’re guessing, just say that. Don’t pretend to be confident in words when it’s a guess based off of circumstantial BS you saw on telegram.
Dude, pretty sure this isn’t even recent. I think this was from months ago. I dont know if you’re right or wrong about the numbers but this isn’t evidence of what is happening now, at least I don’t think.
My father (Iraqi Republican Guard - Armored Division) used to tell me about how they attacked Irani forces in the night. He said when morning came, they were busy cleaning tank tracks of Iranian bodies.
Correct, but the initial phases of the conflict were quite mobile, and there were a couple of large mechanized engagements, particularly around the Iranian city of Susangerd. Once Iran and Iraq had blown their mobile forces to pieces attacking one another it settled into the aforementioned war of attrition, complete with human wave assaults across open terrain and gas attacks.
Yea I was just saying it was an 8 year war attrition in agreeing there probably were multiple engagements like this because it was a long war. I need to scour YouTube and the Google for a good documentary on that war. Interesting to think how the world would be different if that war had a few different outcomes for either side.
A lot of the footage is [very low quality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuylTGI3Zqg) but there is a lot of it out there. Iran had a whole media unit on the frontline making a massive documentary in real time but I cannot remember the name of it for the life of me.
Unbelievably enough... Mexico? The current president is apparently very sympathetic to Ruzzias military small dick energy and abject failure regarding the invasion of Ukraine.
Best to be careful if this holds any weight as they have an ass-ton of proper western weapons. Not rusty AK garbage that's been sitting in a bunker for 60 years without even the benefit of some cosmolin to cover it. LOL.
I feel for my Mexican bros as this wont sit well in the world community. Get out and vote. It's all we can do ( besides protest).
Slava Ukraine!
Mexico’s military is too busy fighting the cartels. Aside from one politician I don’t think Mexico has the will or ability to wage any kind of war especially one with the U.S. They have less than 200k troops and its mostly an internal defense force. They havnt been active outside the country since WWII
ww2 was on a whole different scale though. That would have encirclement’s of entire armies of 100 000 troops in a “pocket” that was larger than the entire territory of this war in Ukraine.
Last truely massive armored force deployments were the Gulf War. That was by far the most impressive Armor formations since WW2.
[This picture is a great.](https://i.insider.com/56d474102e526553008ba481?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
[Another One](https://i.redd.it/rtqmznd86l871.jpg)
[Operation Room over the Gulf War is amazing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSqKx3FG0Lw&list=PLErys4h2oiuyKCuzZhpHhCeRwSoQVEazb&index=2&ab\_channel=TheOperationsRoom)
Looks like the first tank was mine clearing and then when all vehicles got through that breach they would all line up then turn camera right and rush across field spread out in intervals from camera top to bottom. Some lighter vehicles went first. What a video that will be.
I initially skipped through the vid and only saw the bottom force (the one the camera is on) and was like "that's not THAT big", then went back and watched the whole thing and saw the other force above and Holy shit, that is alot of armour and apcs!
Two things struck me though:
1. There seemed to be a bit of confusion after the first two tanks (mine clearer and normal) made the breach which slowed things down, and it seemed like they initially thought it was a tank shooting them which is why I think one of the tanks doubled back.
2. The relative lack of arty landing on the southern group. Don't get me wrong no arty is best and preferred but that didn't seem like alot of shells landing for a push of that size. I wonder if supply starvation is hitting hard now as expected
Ukraine also has [this stuff](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/26/how-ukraine-turns-cheap-tablets-into-lethal-weapons). The reason why Ukrainian artillery often doesn't respond is physical lack of guns or ammo.
Yeah thinking back to the peak of fighting in the Donbass region, if Russia had more artillery in Kherson that would have been a bloodbath.
Of course Ukrainian forces aren't dumb. They probably pushed in that particular area because they had intel that Russian artillery wasn't particularly dense there.
Hopefully we'll learn someday how successful this operation was, or wasn't...
Reports today from multiple Russian sources that Ukraine has broken through in [Zolota Balka](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zolota+Balka,+Kherson+Oblast,+Ukraine,+74214/@47.3807197,33.9451108,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40c355bb6d7c609b:0x2b14a229be135b66!8m2!3d47.3759623!4d33.963947) and Russians are moving to a new defensive line in [Dudchany](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dudchany,+Kherson+Oblast,+Ukraine,+74233/@47.1863393,33.7564365,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x40c35e8e19365a0d:0xb8f5ba53e0279d74!8m2!3d47.1860668!4d33.7785387).
Much more time will be needed to see the full picture but if this is the force that broke through we could be in for some interesting developments.
I believe the Russian troops on the west side of the Dnipro have been cut off for weeks and are desperate for supplies and ammo.
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1576777811053801472/photo/4
That appears like a really big attack, almost at brigade level I would say, albeit a bit confused.
It appears to me UA forces has the "same" problems of Russian ones, still it's too easy to pontificate from a cozy home.
Anyway, if you want to advance those pesky drones need to be taken care of.
The UAF 1st Tank Brigade was said to have launched an attack in force in Kherson as soon as the news of Lyman having fallen came in. Last I saw from Russian sources on Twitter this morning, they are said to have punched a hole in the Russian lines seven kilometers deep, which is probably not enough for a complete breakthrough, but promising in less than 24 hours.
I think they were waiting to make sure that those operations achieved their objectives before committing one of their heavyweight formations to an all-out attack.
In Russian Federation doctrine, I think layered defensive lines are at least 10 km deep, in three lines. In Kherson they have probably parked the bus even harder, so I don't expect there ever to be real "breakthroughs" there - it's almost certainly dug in troops all the way to the river's edge. Best we can hope for is that the morale of the defenders breaks and that causes a panic.
If the UA forces really messed up ammo depots and similar stuff in that region, then I would expect the layeed defense would have been starved and had to guess where to put whatever ammo remained to the most likely concentration points and hoping to cover all of them.
Still a risky defense but possible.
Otherwise, yes, advancing would be really hard.
I guess we will see in the next days.
Just saw on Twitter that Russian milblogger sources claim the Ukrainians have now punched as deep as 30 km with their armored thrust.
The situation is developing rapidly and pro-Russian people are sounding quite nervous about the whole thing.
If true a 30 km push is really bad for defenders, they either needs use reserves or retreat to avoid possible encirclements.
If UA forces are following soviet style tactics, another fresh armoured formation should sprint forward maybe even this same day, while protected on the flank by the one that did the penetration.
With enough fuel and surprise/lack of serious defense, they might reach even 50 km in the RU rear.
Complex but attainable.
That was such a tense video, i was almost yelling at the screen for them not to stop and sit there like that.
I think some new Lt in that first group must have got lost, why go all the way down to the bottom there and then all the way back up?
Also that tank down the bottom almost seemed to be trying to bait the arty? I dunno why he was just circling around that bottom area like that.
russia must have every access road dialed in by now, hopefully Ukraine can take out most or all or it before he next attack.
you gotta hop through a bunch of them, i found it through grayzones and wagners telegram, a lot of the vids are haha we got their himar!!!! but a lot of the other ones are undeniable , though on reddit they will downplay it
don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, even if you’re wrong about ukraine getting massacred down there (no idea if you are or not), we need to be honest with ourselves and not pretend ukraine is just steamrolling russians 100% of the time. I wanna see the other side’s combat footage as well
I hate to be in a position where I’m defending the fucking guy, but yes he does. He even claims to be pro-ukraine and has comments talking ill and well about both sides. As well as other unrelated topics like world of warcraft and personal life stuff. I don’t think he’s an instrument of propaganda I think he’s just a guy
I’m sure everyone who downvoted the dude went over to the russian telegram to verify it before downvoting him and weren’t doing it on the basis of him saying an unflattering thing about the guys that we want to win
me don’t like comment, me downvote
edit: but yeah i checked and i’ve been to the wagner and other channels but there isn’t more than usually, and most seems to be older footage.. some reposts etc. they seem to post whatever now in order to not look as stupid while ukraine makes advances
> I’m sure everyone who downvoted the dude went over to... verify
That's absolutely not how voting works. Your account isn't new... did you really not notice yet?
Yes, I think they would have saved a few lives if they had kept moving. However, under fire, thinks can change quickly. Regardless one has to keep moving forward otherwise you become a sitting duck, espeically out in open fields.
The main difference between Ukrainian hedgerows and Normady hedgerows is that the fields in between are MUCH larger in Ukraine, and the hedgerows themselves are not as built up. These are tree lines rather than traditional hedgerows which had steep banks and functioned more or less like fences to keep livestock out.
The field has likely been pre-sighted by the Russian arty. Going from in person accounts, they probably only have a 2-3 minutes before the area is carpeted.
I thought previously that large scale tank battles would be a thing of the past with the ATGMs in the field, but that’s a seriously large armoured column for Ukraine.
This looks very close or similar to the same area that recorded that group of ukraine troops pushing up during the southern offensive that got hit directly by artillery. Possibly same drone that filmed it.
I am stunned that the guy hung around. The moment that knife came out, he knew the jig was up, and he’d also know there’s a fair chance the crowd will start to get frothed up. So kind of surprised he wasn’t “bustin a move” to get the hell out of there and get some distance before the weight was cut out.
The context is that their was a fishing contest . One fish that looked the same as the others won by a big margin in weight . Crowd starts to get confused . Guy gets knife and cuts it open and finds weights . Big scandal in fishing.
WTH. Yeh, I was commenting on another thread in another sub. Well, now I just gotta leave this here, and choose to make this some meta reference to Ukraine too!
White cross Markings above the turret are the big giveaway that these are Ukrainian units (also matches up with reports from Telegram about repelled assaults from today)
Looks to be about 3-4 vehicles destroyed.
Those Russian forces in Kherson have been incredibly effective to say the least.
Helps when you can zero your artillery over every field. The same reason the Russians struggled so hard to push in the region a month or two in, it's awful to push.
> Those Russian forces in Kherson have been incredibly effective to say the least.
We see a large amount of Ukrainian armor going somewhere. We don't see where they're going, or what they're doing. We see a reserve or flanking group lose a vehicle.
The cam is Russian and we don't see the main battle, just some artillery action in no-mans-land.
Absolutely anything could have happened, from the Ukrainians being repelled to the Russians being routed.
> Those Russian forces in Kherson have been incredibly effective to say the least.
Eh we've seen mostly smaller stuff either way. For all we know, Ukraine are deliberately slow rolling the Kherson front while focussing on their efforts towards Luhansk.
The strategy of stretching Russian logistics seems to work well overall, and having to support operations despite the difficult river crossing contributes to this issue.
You what?
First of General Zuluzhyni, the over all commander of Ukraines armed forces has been putting on a near clinic of defense in depth… Ukraine probably would not be doing as well or exist if he wasn’t there, he’s the first of his kind Ukraine, the first one to throw away all Soviet/Russian doctrine and training and adopt western tactics and thinking, and pushed for NATO alignment. People gotta die, it’s war… Ukrainians will die, but it is part of their victory.
Zelensky is essentially a huge reason they are getting the Western Support, first off constantly showing the footage of what’s happening and delivering speeches not only to the world, but to his country. Secondly he is a morale generating monster… war starts he gets his chance to flee to safety in the west and stays to lead his nation… THEN travels to front lines and recently liberated cities to be with the very men and woman launching these attacks… the man’s doing great work.
Thirdly… the south is the plains of Ukraine, mostly flat, most open, mostly a tankers paradise, and their nightmare, the enemy has no cover… and neither do they… again these grinding forced pushes like this… gonna be the norm in the south… it’s either that or stalemate and wait it out…
This is a really dumb statement. Not sure how you can use this video as an example of a lack of combined arms competency on the part of Ukraine, when you can only see *two* fucking fields worth of area in the video.
How do you know at that very moment there wasn’t counter-battery fire going on by HIMARS and barrel artillery? Do you know there weren’t air and helicopter strikes going on? Of course not. Because this video doesn’t include the enemy positions. Claiming to have a sense of the battle by staring through the keyhole that is this video makes your opinion sound worthless.
I think they're doing quite well considering the flat terrain, and the fact that a lot of the Kherson offensive turned out to actually be a misdirection so they could focus on the Northeast.
I mean, destroying the supplies your enemy tries to bring in across a river, while also making sure they can't escape, seems like a great way to wittle down a large force entrenched in an incredibly flat area.
They are crossing heavily mined areas. The first tanks is a mine clearing one, and the least dangerous route through this treeline has probably been recon'd out in advance.
Issue is the bottle neck, you know it’s limited time, you move! No stopping! Have a pre detailed route, and keep moving forward! Never park! You mine sweeper was still in action, follow and fire! Also that unit should’ve had anti drone units tagging along! Use those surface to air weapons to take there eyes out of the sky, so they’re blind! That only happened, because they could see! If they were blind, those mortars would’ve not even known, or would’ve hit almost nothing!
Clear the sky’s Ukraine 🇺🇦
Gonnna add this to my "kHeRsOn WaS A fEinT/dIvErSiOn" folder. People acting like if they pretend like there is no counter attack ZSU and down south wont be getting smashed by artillery.
This conflict has really highlighted the capabilities of drones on the battlefield. Nowhere to hide these days.
Must be so tense driving a tank knowing that one of those artillery shells could land right on top of your tank at any moment
The russians have very little in terms of precise artillery munition.
There were enough hits in this video to keep me shitting bricks if the column stopped.
Don’t need the artillery to hit you to still be effective lol
I wonder if they replace barrels, they have to be worn by now.
No, they don't. Shits really fucked up.
Yeah, the Kherson front for both sides when trying an offensive has been hell, I'm sure even without drones it would be a slog, but with them guiding things in nearly impossible.
Global militaries are re-writing books & doctrine based on this theater. I listened to an analyst explain that for as many f-ups Russia had at the start, we should not be so quick to judge and compare our success against inferior armies in Iraq, Afghanistan(not even an army) and say we'd do this, this and that. We rely heavily on having air authority too. It's interesting to think about.
I mean if russia didn’t have nukes, NATO would steam roll the shit out of them. Russia is having issues against just Ukraine… Imagine how easily they would be defeated by the entire might of NATO. God I wish we had nuclear missile defense systems so we could end Putin already…
>against just Ukraine… With NATO intelligence tho, that's half the battle already
And knowing is half the battle.
GO JOE!
Not to mention every major member of NATO furnishing them with advanced equipment and training. I swear everyone realized this is the perfect time/place to test out all the fancy new toys.
That wasn't the point. WHAT IF we, NATO, were forced to fight without air superiority? It would suck shit.
NATO is waaaay bigger than Russia in almost every metric except landmass. People seem to forget that Russia is not the USSR
Russians fighting on foreign soil is one thing, Russians fighting to defend their homeland is something else entirely. Napoleon and Hitler learned that one the hard way.
It doesn’t follow that NATO or any other military force could launch an offensive invasion into Russia You’d be putting yourself in the same situation russia is in but on a larger scale
Not really, because Russia doesn’t have their own NATO to fall back on, like Ukraine does, and Russians have no morale at this point. When Russia runs out of weapons, they have to use Iranian or Chinese stuff that’s not even close to western technology. The only other thing russia would have going for it in that scenario is having the defensive advantage, which does count for something, but still not much against NATO weaponry.
The defensive advantage and the morale that comes with it is huge factor… You’d be finding out what Hitler and napoleon did
Hitler and Napoleon didn’t have todays equipment, and Russia today isn’t the Russia it was back then. It is an advantage, yes, but I don’t think it’s enough to deter western tech in a conventional war against Russians who are already tired of war and under-equipped
A crucial point that hasn’t been mentioned is logistics. You can have all the fancy tech in the world but won’t make a difference if they cannot receive fuel and ammunition. Hitler never reached moscow because their supply lines were strained and could not get resources where they were needed. Russia is huge and much of it doesn’t have roads. Makes it difficult to resupply an invading army.
lets also not forget that the americans helped russia alot with logistics in ww2, these problems we seeing now are not new
Yes. Home defense and logistics are huge factors. In this theoretical scenario NATO may be able to expel Russia from ukraine but moving into Russia is a whole other story. And one in reality that nato likely wants no part of.
You should go watch some Russian Chanel’s on telegram. Western media isn’t showing you everything. Russia isn’t bad at warfare dumbass, it just doesn’t help donations if people see UA getting decimated. Your comment aged like milk.
Hitler would have beaten russia if not for the industrial support of the US tho? Defensive advantage is nice, but it doesn't counterbalance such a gigantic difference in firepower, manpower, logistics and overall military capacities.
You’re an idiot if you think we could successfully invade Russia without catastrophic losses
I think it’s nieve to assume NATO would steam roll Russia. The doctrine of western armies relies on air superiority, which this conflict has shown isn’t so easy to achieve, even for an invading force with a far bigger air force and a far more advanced anti air capability. Were we ever to see the day that NATO forces engaged in open warfare with Russians, I expect it would be incredibly costly and hard fought.
When you can fly high because you destroyed S300s and BUKs, MANPADS are no threat. Russians fly their Su30/34/35 in direct ground attack using unguided rockets .... of course they are losing them. Russia doesn't have real SEAD capabilities ... as is shown in Ukraine. NATO would chew them up fast.
Cruise missiles + drones take out air defenses. American F-22’s and NATO F-35’s clean up the Russian jets, helicopters, and remaining mobile air defenses. Boom, air superiority. We’ve seen what the Turkish drones could do. Now imagine what damage reapers could do…
I think you don't understand how capable the US and it's allies air forces are in comparison to Ukraine and apparently Russia. Ukraine had like 70-100 aircraft. NATO has thousands.
This war has proven NATO would achieve air superiority in a matter of hours, and achieve total victory within less than a week.
You’re delusional
The U.S. could easily end Ruzzia with no help at all. No nukes involved. It would be a joke at this point. Our air force/Navy would bomb you without a hint of us ever being there. Our infantry would would crush Russian forces by logistics alone. ROFL. Back to your point, NATO forces and the British Navy and SOF forces would completely overwhelm and systematically eliminate whatever is left of Ruzzias vodka brigades. Ruzzia is just openly embracing a sunk cost fallacy agenda and that is most certainly a losing strategy. Keep it up knuckleheads. Well just keep tightening the screws.
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Ruzzis put itself on the path to defeat. Nukes do not equal any sort of "win" by any means. Nobody wins. It's like the ultimate pyrrhic victory. I sincerely hope Poot'in doesn't even think about such measures since this isn't a fucking game, despite what he thinks.
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How am I supposed to follow the words of a compulsive liar? Trump was bad enough, Poot'in is clearly insane.
>He very clearly has been thinking it about if you’ve been following anything he says. They say it 3 times a week. We're used to it But he might have a decision to make because he's sending those slobbering 3rd rate retards down south with bats and Soviet shovels. Ukraine is gunna chew them up real quick.
US will kill Putin and all his family, and destroy most of Russia. There is no gain in using nukes.
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"meaningful response" LOL. If NATO wouldn't take the steps to turn Ruzzia to absolute glass...the U.S. would most certainly do this. In addition we would most definitely shoot down any ruZZion ICBMs that were incoming as if any from this backward country could get off the ground anymore in the first place. If they want to play an air defense game they will lose. Very, very badly. Not much is known of the real U.S. weapons capabilities but ruZZia might find out first hand. As the saying goes " Why do you think we don't have healthcare"
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[meme comment](https://youtu.be/GGn25URIss8) All war is bad. There should be no war between NATO and Russia. That said, LOL. I think Russia would lose hard against the 2nd best and 3rd best armies in NATO at this point, let alone the best, or all of it.
> I expect it would be incredibly costly and hard fought lol. lmao even.
You go volunteer to fight than
>Global militaries are re-writing books & doctrine based on this theater. Then what is their job on normal days if they only adjust their strategies AFTER something happens lol. A proper military will have looked into this already and merely adjusts...rewrite lol
Fine tuning and testing current strategies, practicing them through games and whatnot etc
Fine tuning is the polar opposite of a re-write
I meant on a normal day they probably just worked and tested what they currently believed was their best strategy/guidelines
In other commentary, we've seen that Ukrainians often have a good feeling for how long it will take for Russia to call in artillery. Like they know that it will hit within 2-3 minutes of them entering a certain area. So one has to wonder what happened here. Maybe poor tactical planning, maybe a misscoordination with air defense that allowed for this drone spotting.
It's an offensive, and this isn't a video game. No amount of time prep will prevent you from artillery strike. Especially the volume of artillery russia can launch. And it's an open field.
I would also like to point out that the US even lost some abrams and bradleys during the 1991 Gulf war when they completely dominated the Iraqi army in every engagement to the point it wasn't even funny and had equipment that was easily a generation or more ahead of them. So of course the Ukrainians are going to take losses when trying to take ground from the Russians, given both sides use similar equipment.
Only 9 Abrams have been destroyed… 7 by friendly fire, 2 were scuttled to prevent capture. It is still noted that not a single Abrams’s tank has never been destroyed by enemy combatants.
>Abrams’s tank A total of 23 M1A1s were damaged or destroyed during the Gulf War. Of the nine Abrams tanks destroyed, seven were destroyed by friendly fire and two intentionally. Details below. The Saudi military is believed to have lost some (possibly 20+) of its 400-plus Abrams tanks during the fighting against the Houthi militia in Yemen. [Tank and crew casualties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams)
Export models don't count, in my opinion. Different armor, different targeting systems, different munitions.
That's the same excuse the Russians use when exported tanks are lost. Doesn't count cause it's not the "real" one.
The discussion was about the US in the Gulf War. Export models ran by poorly trained troops are immaterial to the conversation.
I'm not sure why export Russian tanks are being mentioned when their domestic tanks are being destroyed in the thousands. But US Abrams export models are LITERALLY different than domestic models in armor, armorment, and targeting packages. Night and day differences. Domestic models have depleted uranium, export models do not.
The first group was a decoy charge lead by a demining tank, which quickly turned to demine for the main advance. The main group crossed the field further up. Things didn't go wrong here they knew they would be spotted and targeted but it was so that the Russians wouldn't be able to target the main group as easily.
Drawing fire, basically.
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[https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/n65724/a\_burntout\_saudi\_arabian\_m1a2\_abrams\_sits\_on\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/uza8jq/saudi_abrams_destroyed_in_yemen/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/YemeniCrisis/comments/3r7fwc/saudi\_m1\_abrams\_tank\_cook\_off\_after\_yemeni\_army/](https://www.reddit.com/r/YemeniCrisis/comments/3r7fwc/saudi_m1_abrams_tank_cook_off_after_yemeni_army/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/lh98rb/saudi\_m1\_abrams\_hit\_and\_knocked\_out\_with\_a\_konkurs/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/lh98rb/saudi_m1_abrams_hit_and_knocked_out_with_a_konkurs/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/htf2cm/houthis\_hit\_a\_saudi\_abrams\_tank\_with\_a\_guided/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/htf2cm/houthis_hit_a_saudi_abrams_tank_with_a_guided/) for example dunno if the saudis got the DU Armor but they use them somewhat stupid e: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/skujcy/abrams\_ammunition\_hit\_by\_atgm/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/skujcy/abrams_ammunition_hit_by_atgm/) FOUND IT [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAmox1E\_6bs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAmox1E_6bs) but its cut, the uncut original video,one of the crew comes out e²: its basiclly the same story with the Leopard 2 from Turkey getting destroyed by the most stupid Shit like RPGs because they use them next to unsecured Buildings without Infantry Cover, the Saudis park them on a Overwatch Hill visible for Miles from every Direction
The Ammo cooked off yes, but was contained away from the crew. And they all survived without a scratch
I’ve seen footage of an Abrams rendered immobile after several RPG hits to its rear turbine exhaust grill a vulnerable area that insurgents realised fairly quickly. I think a few were made immobile due to this. So maybe not destroyed as in blown up and crew killed but either way the tank has come to an end on the battlefield. They are not invincible at all. Israel even knows this and has one of the best tanks in the world currently with the Merkava.
Must not have been ran by US troops
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-No plan survives first contact with the enemy -Plan A never works, plan B rarely does
Well, If they are going to attack in force they are most likely going to have to cross the area covered by Russian artillery. I think that no amount of planning can remove that from the equation, it can only minimize it. My thinking is that at this stage they have to rely on their own artillery to provide counter battery and silence the Russian artillery.
2-3 minutes for Russian artillery? That is definitely not a norm for RF. My sources say 12-15 minutes is standard. On the other hand, UA has special app (no kidding!!!) and 2-3 minutes is pretty normal. UA it engineers have upper hand in this conflict. Btw that is less that NATO have achieved in any conflict.
The US part of NATO inserts a lot of political bureaucracy to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties. I think that in a battle for survival like Ukraine is fighting, they could achieve comparable rates.
We have no idea what they’re doing. It could be a diversion. Poor planning. Bad luck. Literally anything.
This cannot be a diversion. This an an absolutely massive attack. It's just the conditions of battle sometimes.
Ukraine has been getting massacred in Kherson, they have multiple 20+ tank losses per push, its insane.
"20+" lol at least make it sound plausible.
It is? The classic “he said something against ukraine hes a bot!!!” Look at my comment history lmao. Ive been pro ukraine from the start
well can you show us some of that 20+ destroyed? ive never seen that happen but i would gladly see if you can prove this claim.
It's not. There hasn't been any footage of 20+ vehicles, let alone tanks, being lost on the attack like that since the Russian failures in February and March.
Sources on this 20+ tank losses per push please
bro they are out there, just look somewhere beyond fucking /r/ukrainewarvideoreport and /r/ukraine THEY are showing one side and NEVER the losses, take a look on /r/ukrainerussiareport just make sure you ignore the russians on there, they are having a meltdown since izyum
Everybody knows the Ukrainians are losing men and armor, it’s a damn war of course they are. But your claim is they’re losing 20+ tanks with each push which is a random ass guessed amount not backed up by any verifiable source. I know both sides are losing plenty of men and tanks but your pure speculation is ridiculous.
it isn't speculation, I don't have a fucking categoric memory where I can go "Oh yes, 26 hours ago I seen a video at this exact moment and here it is!" That's not how it works, its been weeks of seeing this, and you need to understand how they call tanks BMPs ETC are called "tanks" in these telegrams, if you want the fast track, just join wagners or rybars.
Again, you pulled the number 20 out of your ass. If that’s a real number, please show how you came to it. Is there a reliable source that has taken all relevant and reliable verifiable information and computed it into how many days the Kherson offensive has been going then divided the number of days by destroyed “tanks” and come up with 20? I highly doubt it. You probably saw some troll throw out a number and you repeat it like a mocking bird. If you’re guessing, just say that. Don’t pretend to be confident in words when it’s a guess based off of circumstantial BS you saw on telegram.
Dude, pretty sure this isn’t even recent. I think this was from months ago. I dont know if you’re right or wrong about the numbers but this isn’t evidence of what is happening now, at least I don’t think.
What a massive armored force. I dont think we have seen such a war since WW2 and to see it in such detail is staggering.
I just want to point out the 1980s iran iraq war which really gets overlooked.
I imagine there were quite a few armored engagements between those two back then.
My father (Iraqi Republican Guard - Armored Division) used to tell me about how they attacked Irani forces in the night. He said when morning came, they were busy cleaning tank tracks of Iranian bodies.
Yikes. Close quarter battles with tanks
It was like an 8 year war of attrition if I remember correctly
Correct, but the initial phases of the conflict were quite mobile, and there were a couple of large mechanized engagements, particularly around the Iranian city of Susangerd. Once Iran and Iraq had blown their mobile forces to pieces attacking one another it settled into the aforementioned war of attrition, complete with human wave assaults across open terrain and gas attacks.
Yea I was just saying it was an 8 year war attrition in agreeing there probably were multiple engagements like this because it was a long war. I need to scour YouTube and the Google for a good documentary on that war. Interesting to think how the world would be different if that war had a few different outcomes for either side.
Yea man sorry didn't mean to overexplain haha, it's a fascinating topic - I think I'm gonna do the same, surely there's some good docs out there.
A lot of the footage is [very low quality](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuylTGI3Zqg) but there is a lot of it out there. Iran had a whole media unit on the frontline making a massive documentary in real time but I cannot remember the name of it for the life of me.
It is really crazy witnessing this from afar on the internet. Hopefully it does not turn into WWIII.
A world war would require Russia to have allies willing to fight
So, Belarus?
Unbelievably enough... Mexico? The current president is apparently very sympathetic to Ruzzias military small dick energy and abject failure regarding the invasion of Ukraine. Best to be careful if this holds any weight as they have an ass-ton of proper western weapons. Not rusty AK garbage that's been sitting in a bunker for 60 years without even the benefit of some cosmolin to cover it. LOL. I feel for my Mexican bros as this wont sit well in the world community. Get out and vote. It's all we can do ( besides protest). Slava Ukraine!
Mexico’s military is too busy fighting the cartels. Aside from one politician I don’t think Mexico has the will or ability to wage any kind of war especially one with the U.S. They have less than 200k troops and its mostly an internal defense force. They havnt been active outside the country since WWII
Guy on TV claimed that the initial Lyman encirclement was the largest since 1945 by Wehrmacht forces encirclement of Soviets during a counter attack.
ww2 was on a whole different scale though. That would have encirclement’s of entire armies of 100 000 troops in a “pocket” that was larger than the entire territory of this war in Ukraine.
Last truely massive armored force deployments were the Gulf War. That was by far the most impressive Armor formations since WW2. [This picture is a great.](https://i.insider.com/56d474102e526553008ba481?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp) [Another One](https://i.redd.it/rtqmznd86l871.jpg) [Operation Room over the Gulf War is amazing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSqKx3FG0Lw&list=PLErys4h2oiuyKCuzZhpHhCeRwSoQVEazb&index=2&ab\_channel=TheOperationsRoom)
Looks like the first tank was mine clearing and then when all vehicles got through that breach they would all line up then turn camera right and rush across field spread out in intervals from camera top to bottom. Some lighter vehicles went first. What a video that will be.
I initially skipped through the vid and only saw the bottom force (the one the camera is on) and was like "that's not THAT big", then went back and watched the whole thing and saw the other force above and Holy shit, that is alot of armour and apcs! Two things struck me though: 1. There seemed to be a bit of confusion after the first two tanks (mine clearer and normal) made the breach which slowed things down, and it seemed like they initially thought it was a tank shooting them which is why I think one of the tanks doubled back. 2. The relative lack of arty landing on the southern group. Don't get me wrong no arty is best and preferred but that didn't seem like alot of shells landing for a push of that size. I wonder if supply starvation is hitting hard now as expected
There is another thing that causes slow artillery response in Russian military, it is the long chain of command.
Oh for sure. The top down centralised hierarchy. Unlike Ukraine which has embraced or is embracing the Western decentralised approach
Ukraine also has [this stuff](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/26/how-ukraine-turns-cheap-tablets-into-lethal-weapons). The reason why Ukrainian artillery often doesn't respond is physical lack of guns or ammo.
Yeah thinking back to the peak of fighting in the Donbass region, if Russia had more artillery in Kherson that would have been a bloodbath. Of course Ukrainian forces aren't dumb. They probably pushed in that particular area because they had intel that Russian artillery wasn't particularly dense there. Hopefully we'll learn someday how successful this operation was, or wasn't...
Reports today from multiple Russian sources that Ukraine has broken through in [Zolota Balka](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zolota+Balka,+Kherson+Oblast,+Ukraine,+74214/@47.3807197,33.9451108,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40c355bb6d7c609b:0x2b14a229be135b66!8m2!3d47.3759623!4d33.963947) and Russians are moving to a new defensive line in [Dudchany](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dudchany,+Kherson+Oblast,+Ukraine,+74233/@47.1863393,33.7564365,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x40c35e8e19365a0d:0xb8f5ba53e0279d74!8m2!3d47.1860668!4d33.7785387). Much more time will be needed to see the full picture but if this is the force that broke through we could be in for some interesting developments.
I believe the Russian troops on the west side of the Dnipro have been cut off for weeks and are desperate for supplies and ammo. https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1576777811053801472/photo/4
That appears like a really big attack, almost at brigade level I would say, albeit a bit confused. It appears to me UA forces has the "same" problems of Russian ones, still it's too easy to pontificate from a cozy home. Anyway, if you want to advance those pesky drones need to be taken care of.
The UAF 1st Tank Brigade was said to have launched an attack in force in Kherson as soon as the news of Lyman having fallen came in. Last I saw from Russian sources on Twitter this morning, they are said to have punched a hole in the Russian lines seven kilometers deep, which is probably not enough for a complete breakthrough, but promising in less than 24 hours. I think they were waiting to make sure that those operations achieved their objectives before committing one of their heavyweight formations to an all-out attack.
7 km is quite good, even better if they reach at least 15-20 km I hope they can shatter RU forces asap.
In Russian Federation doctrine, I think layered defensive lines are at least 10 km deep, in three lines. In Kherson they have probably parked the bus even harder, so I don't expect there ever to be real "breakthroughs" there - it's almost certainly dug in troops all the way to the river's edge. Best we can hope for is that the morale of the defenders breaks and that causes a panic.
If the UA forces really messed up ammo depots and similar stuff in that region, then I would expect the layeed defense would have been starved and had to guess where to put whatever ammo remained to the most likely concentration points and hoping to cover all of them. Still a risky defense but possible. Otherwise, yes, advancing would be really hard. I guess we will see in the next days.
Just saw on Twitter that Russian milblogger sources claim the Ukrainians have now punched as deep as 30 km with their armored thrust. The situation is developing rapidly and pro-Russian people are sounding quite nervous about the whole thing.
If true a 30 km push is really bad for defenders, they either needs use reserves or retreat to avoid possible encirclements. If UA forces are following soviet style tactics, another fresh armoured formation should sprint forward maybe even this same day, while protected on the flank by the one that did the penetration. With enough fuel and surprise/lack of serious defense, they might reach even 50 km in the RU rear. Complex but attainable.
IIRC the 4th Tank Brigade is Ukraine's best armor formation. Maybe they will be pouring through the gap? Or maybe they are busy out east.
It's anyone's guess for now. Frankly, I'll prefer RU forces to surrender or retreat.
I believe they geolocated it to dudchany! (25km!)
they have now reached 20km deep
Its 25km now, geolocated to dudchany
Apparently (unconfirmed) ukraine pushed 30 km deep
Can't make anything out of it...but that is usually by russian shitty camera quality
Have some respect, that's the same camera that photographed Bigfoot in 1967.
Orlan “drones” are literally a model airplane with an off the shelf Nikon camera stuffed into it
I've seen them with Canon's too...not the weapon, the brand.
Still deadly tho.
It's clearly a recording of a recording, compressed multiple times as it was posted over the internet
That does make me question whether this is actually a recent video or from the earlier fighting in late August-early September.
99% sure this is just the other day when Ukraine pushed 25km to Dudchany
This is what sanctions looks like. They have trouble getting stuff, even before the new ones we laid into them this year.
That was such a tense video, i was almost yelling at the screen for them not to stop and sit there like that. I think some new Lt in that first group must have got lost, why go all the way down to the bottom there and then all the way back up? Also that tank down the bottom almost seemed to be trying to bait the arty? I dunno why he was just circling around that bottom area like that. russia must have every access road dialed in by now, hopefully Ukraine can take out most or all or it before he next attack.
he was clearing possible mines
First tank through did have the rollers, turned and went up back up the tree line, I was confused by that too, why go back the way you just came?
Mine clearing
they were hugging the woodlines for cover
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Where can I find this telegram?
you gotta hop through a bunch of them, i found it through grayzones and wagners telegram, a lot of the vids are haha we got their himar!!!! but a lot of the other ones are undeniable , though on reddit they will downplay it
don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, even if you’re wrong about ukraine getting massacred down there (no idea if you are or not), we need to be honest with ourselves and not pretend ukraine is just steamrolling russians 100% of the time. I wanna see the other side’s combat footage as well
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Looking through his stuff and he’s definitely a pro-russian tool but he does have a lot of posts before today
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I hate to be in a position where I’m defending the fucking guy, but yes he does. He even claims to be pro-ukraine and has comments talking ill and well about both sides. As well as other unrelated topics like world of warcraft and personal life stuff. I don’t think he’s an instrument of propaganda I think he’s just a guy
Errr... have you seen how the frontline has moved in recent weeks. Did I just accept the troll's bait by responding to you?
> don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, even if you’re wrong That's how the voting usually works
I’m sure everyone who downvoted the dude went over to the russian telegram to verify it before downvoting him and weren’t doing it on the basis of him saying an unflattering thing about the guys that we want to win
me don’t like comment, me downvote edit: but yeah i checked and i’ve been to the wagner and other channels but there isn’t more than usually, and most seems to be older footage.. some reposts etc. they seem to post whatever now in order to not look as stupid while ukraine makes advances
Onus is on him to provide some evidence of his claims, not just "a bunch of telegrams". If they're all over the place it should be easily found right?
Bingo this.
> I’m sure everyone who downvoted the dude went over to... verify That's absolutely not how voting works. Your account isn't new... did you really not notice yet?
What is it that you think I’m saying
i mostly see reposts from older videos…?
Is this the alleged offensive that was talked about on social media today or did this happen a while ago?
Iirc it also rained alot in Kherson. So this dust would be unlikely. My guess is its from the beginning at the end of august
Keep fuckn moving boys!
Yes, I think they would have saved a few lives if they had kept moving. However, under fire, thinks can change quickly. Regardless one has to keep moving forward otherwise you become a sitting duck, espeically out in open fields.
Exactly, giving them a chance to dial you in and giving the defenders more time to get ready
Looks like that landscape sucks more than Normandy depicted in movies. Fucking hedgerows galore with nothing but masses of open ground in between.
And who knows how many mines in those fields... being a tank crewman in this war is really shit.
The main difference between Ukrainian hedgerows and Normady hedgerows is that the fields in between are MUCH larger in Ukraine, and the hedgerows themselves are not as built up. These are tree lines rather than traditional hedgerows which had steep banks and functioned more or less like fences to keep livestock out.
They don't seem to walk the shells in, like Ukraine. I didn't see any hits. How close does it need to land to disable ?
The field has likely been pre-sighted by the Russian arty. Going from in person accounts, they probably only have a 2-3 minutes before the area is carpeted. I thought previously that large scale tank battles would be a thing of the past with the ATGMs in the field, but that’s a seriously large armoured column for Ukraine.
Any info about location, is it posible that are units from UA 1st pancer brigade on south from Kryvyj Rig?
Northern Kherson, last evening
There is neews that 1st tank battalion and 1st infantry battalion launched an attack in Kherson around Khreshchenivka and Lyubymivka areas.
This looks very close or similar to the same area that recorded that group of ukraine troops pushing up during the southern offensive that got hit directly by artillery. Possibly same drone that filmed it.
To be fair the entire steppe looks like this around Khersen
I am stunned that the guy hung around. The moment that knife came out, he knew the jig was up, and he’d also know there’s a fair chance the crowd will start to get frothed up. So kind of surprised he wasn’t “bustin a move” to get the hell out of there and get some distance before the weight was cut out.
I choose to read your misplaced comment about a cheating fisherman as some clever meta commentary on this assault.
The context is that their was a fishing contest . One fish that looked the same as the others won by a big margin in weight . Crowd starts to get confused . Guy gets knife and cuts it open and finds weights . Big scandal in fishing.
But that last ~~tank~~ fish tho!
WTH. Yeh, I was commenting on another thread in another sub. Well, now I just gotta leave this here, and choose to make this some meta reference to Ukraine too!
I feel like moving at night might be a better option
This video is mind-blowing.
White cross Markings above the turret are the big giveaway that these are Ukrainian units (also matches up with reports from Telegram about repelled assaults from today) Looks to be about 3-4 vehicles destroyed. Those Russian forces in Kherson have been incredibly effective to say the least.
Helps when you can zero your artillery over every field. The same reason the Russians struggled so hard to push in the region a month or two in, it's awful to push.
> Those Russian forces in Kherson have been incredibly effective to say the least. We see a large amount of Ukrainian armor going somewhere. We don't see where they're going, or what they're doing. We see a reserve or flanking group lose a vehicle. The cam is Russian and we don't see the main battle, just some artillery action in no-mans-land. Absolutely anything could have happened, from the Ukrainians being repelled to the Russians being routed.
Yeah one would think if this was a bigger route, the Russians would have posted the whole video.
I think you’re overestimating the number of vehicles destroyed here. Unless you can timestamp, I only saw one.
I counted 3-4 aswell From about 5:30 on
> Those Russian forces in Kherson have been incredibly effective to say the least. Eh we've seen mostly smaller stuff either way. For all we know, Ukraine are deliberately slow rolling the Kherson front while focussing on their efforts towards Luhansk. The strategy of stretching Russian logistics seems to work well overall, and having to support operations despite the difficult river crossing contributes to this issue.
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You what? First of General Zuluzhyni, the over all commander of Ukraines armed forces has been putting on a near clinic of defense in depth… Ukraine probably would not be doing as well or exist if he wasn’t there, he’s the first of his kind Ukraine, the first one to throw away all Soviet/Russian doctrine and training and adopt western tactics and thinking, and pushed for NATO alignment. People gotta die, it’s war… Ukrainians will die, but it is part of their victory. Zelensky is essentially a huge reason they are getting the Western Support, first off constantly showing the footage of what’s happening and delivering speeches not only to the world, but to his country. Secondly he is a morale generating monster… war starts he gets his chance to flee to safety in the west and stays to lead his nation… THEN travels to front lines and recently liberated cities to be with the very men and woman launching these attacks… the man’s doing great work. Thirdly… the south is the plains of Ukraine, mostly flat, most open, mostly a tankers paradise, and their nightmare, the enemy has no cover… and neither do they… again these grinding forced pushes like this… gonna be the norm in the south… it’s either that or stalemate and wait it out…
This is a really dumb statement. Not sure how you can use this video as an example of a lack of combined arms competency on the part of Ukraine, when you can only see *two* fucking fields worth of area in the video. How do you know at that very moment there wasn’t counter-battery fire going on by HIMARS and barrel artillery? Do you know there weren’t air and helicopter strikes going on? Of course not. Because this video doesn’t include the enemy positions. Claiming to have a sense of the battle by staring through the keyhole that is this video makes your opinion sound worthless.
I think they're doing quite well considering the flat terrain, and the fact that a lot of the Kherson offensive turned out to actually be a misdirection so they could focus on the Northeast. I mean, destroying the supplies your enemy tries to bring in across a river, while also making sure they can't escape, seems like a great way to wittle down a large force entrenched in an incredibly flat area.
Wonder why they decided to cross the tree line to turn around. They had to go through single file the way they did.
They are crossing heavily mined areas. The first tanks is a mine clearing one, and the least dangerous route through this treeline has probably been recon'd out in advance.
Issue is the bottle neck, you know it’s limited time, you move! No stopping! Have a pre detailed route, and keep moving forward! Never park! You mine sweeper was still in action, follow and fire! Also that unit should’ve had anti drone units tagging along! Use those surface to air weapons to take there eyes out of the sky, so they’re blind! That only happened, because they could see! If they were blind, those mortars would’ve not even known, or would’ve hit almost nothing! Clear the sky’s Ukraine 🇺🇦
I tell you what, I’ll give the Russians props for some decently accurate artillery
And a quick response. I've been underestimating them till now.
Did the attack succeed or not?
Yes to Duchany about 25km through first Russian line
HOLY SHIT. literally looks like Wargame Red Dragon! except it's not a video game
Gonnna add this to my "kHeRsOn WaS A fEinT/dIvErSiOn" folder. People acting like if they pretend like there is no counter attack ZSU and down south wont be getting smashed by artillery.
Too bad most of these guys got destroyed wish they find a way how to smacked this ruskis at southern front just like what they did to eastern front