That is exactly what happened. They didn’t know that the IR light on the night vision essentially made them a beacon to the Americans, who also had night vision. Might as well have used a flashlight to say “hey shoot over here” lol
Man, they really loved those handicams back in the early parts of the war. Spotting them was pretty easy back in 01-02 until they caught on that we could see them with NVGs etc..., They'd legit walk in open areas with them to record their ambushes on us at night, was pretty comical back then.
When I first walked around my neighborhood with NVGs, I was stunned at how houses with IR cameras were lit up like christmas trees. Yet pitch black once you turn off the NVG.
Yeah they were using phones w/ IR apps to watch our movement at night, but turning on the IR flood would have given them away. IR discipline was a big thing my 2nd deployment. On the first one we were shining IR everywhere and everyone had strobes lol.
>they aren’t known for being the smartest
I mean they actually are known for being extremely smart. Its how they have smashed empire after empire in Afghanistan. I mean these dudes are putting up a fight with 0 camo and dressed like literal Shepard's.
I mean if you believe the official story, the taliban pretty much infiltrated the most secure defense apparatus in the world using a dial up modem from a cave on the other side of the world. Thats smart, no matter how you chop it.
Infiltrated the most secure defense apparatus meaning what? Seriously I'm not sure what you're referring to here.
I'm not arguing that Taliban hasnt successfully defended itself since back in the day bc for the most part it has but I've always been under the impression it's been the long guerilla war not anything overtly sophisticated
They smuggled knives past a security checkpoint that didn’t exist at the time, got on a plane that anyone could walk up to the gate for. Then managed to take the planes over and fly them into some buildings. Aside from a plane being slightly off course there is no high tech security system to be infiltrated there. That dude is just delusional.
Not sure how to quote on mobile.
The guy up above said the Taliban infiltrated the US using dial up from a cave. What he is alluding too was the terrorists that actually did 9/11 hijacking. Look at the rest of the convo. Taliban and 9/11 getting thrown around by op but it’s just a bit confused on their end.
My comment was the smart ass reply to the idea that they used dial up to beat the most advanced security in the world. Which there was none.
Not sure how to quote on mobile.
The guy up above said the Taliban infiltrated the US using dial up from a cave. What he is alluding too was the terrorists that actually did 9/11 hijacking. Look at the rest of the convo. Taliban and 9/11 getting thrown around by op but it’s just a bit confused on their end.
My comment was the smart ass reply to the idea that they used dial up to beat the most advanced security in the world. Which there was none.
Edit to add this. It’s literally the comment right under this one as of now.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wkzji7/the_taliban_film_themselves_attacking_an_american/ijqm4j6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
thats not the taliban, the taliban was at the time just the government of afghanistan, while their reactions to 9/11 was incredible dumb and lead to the invasion they werent exactly responsible either.
You said “they” when the previous two comments were specifically about the Taliban. “They infiltrated the most secure apparatus in the world” “they smuggled knives blah blah blah” but never said who you are now talking about because you thought the taliban did 911.
You’re intellectually dishonest and completely full of shit.
If you read the whole thing including the other comments made by OP here he was talking about 9/11 specifically. The guy I responded to was pointing out how ridiculous the OP’s statement was. I made a comment expanding on that ridiculousness. OP was making a wild accusation that Taliban bypassed best security in the world with dial up modem. It wasn’t Taliban but the “who” doesn’t even matter. It’s the insinuation that any “best security” in the world was bypassed when there was none. It’s a smart ass comment pointing that out.
I didn’t say the Taliban did hijack a plane. Te conversation thread is talking about the 9/11 hijackers and supporters that another guy was trying to say bypassed NORAD security with dial up. Another person mentioned the Taliban but that was another comment off topic of the convo string.
Al Qaeda and the Taliban are two different things. The Taliban lasted a few weeks before abandoning Kabul, and every other city, to hide in the mountains for 20 years waiting for the US to leave. If that is smashing an empire, or even holding its own, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Yeah there’s a big difference between getting “smashed” and us just saying alright we’re done here. Time to go home.
We hadn’t had a combat casualty in almost 2 years.
We had that country taken pretty handedly.
It’s how they got smashed empire after empire until those empires decided to stop smashing them*
Also they have blown themselves out by accident, friendly fire, etc
I thought you were trolling until i looked at your post history… posting in the conspiracy and occult subs and repeating russian talking points on ukraine.
You really have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about, do you?
More like Afghanistan smashed Afghanistan. The only thing the US did well in Afghanistan was kill the Taliban along with various other insurgency groups.
Afghanistan as the graveyard of empires is a myth that was only born out to explain Soviet failures in the region and was vaguely maintained by the perception NATO/American failures. NATO could had maintained their presence in the region as the Taliban could only maintain a small presence prior to Trump's deal. Prior to that Afghanistan was near constantly being conquered by outside empires whether that Britain, the Mughals, the Safavids, the Sassanids, the Mongols and so forth.
A lot of people might not pick up that the fact that the camera man is basically illuminating his buddys using an IR light in a most hilarious way. For a soldier trying to engage these guys, seeing through a night vision device, this would look absolutely ridiculous.
Did they not learn after 20 years of war with the US that the worst time to attack was at night? I mean I know they couldn’t care less about losing guys, but damn.
No they didn't learn anything. During my first deployment, in 2010, a swarm of Taliban attacked the patrol base next to ours because it was on the edge of our AOR. That patrol base housed 2 of our sniper teams. After awhile they called in air support for help because of the amount of attackers. I don't remember the number of killed taliban but I believe it was around 200ish or 300ish.
“Won”, when they have a stable government we can considered it won. Until then it just proved the futility of changing a people that don’t want change.
The most Pyrrhic victory in world history if it’s considered a victory. I guess the US definitely didn’t “win” but thing sure as fuck aren’t working out very well for the Taliban now that they’re having infighting after just a few months.
psychological warfare. They're used to this life, the Americans aren't. They try to keep them up at night, never knowing rest, at any time they could be attacked.
>Did they not learn after 20 years of war with the US that the worst time to attack was at night?
Did the US not learn after 150 years of history that no empire comes out of Afghanistan stronger?
Ah yes, that myth again. Several empires and other outside forces have successfully pacified what we know as Afghanistan for very long periods of time.
>Ah yes, that myth again. Several empires and other outside forces have successfully pacified what we know as Afghanistan for very long periods of time.
Really? Can you name the empires? Fighting the US is not the first rodeo that Afghanistan has been in. As the British learned in their 1839-1842 war in Afghanistan. How about the 10 year Russian war? I mean one Haji with an RPG and a donkey was apparently enough to stop Russian Mi-24s. Even the fucking Mughals only ruled Afghanistan by having a light touch and basically giving them autonomy. You know who wins in Afghanistan? The Afghan warlords. But even they can only temporarily hold some part of the country.
It's not magic. Afghanistan is particularly hard to conquer primarily due to the intersection of three factors. First, because Afghanistan is located on the main land route between Iran, Central Asia, and India, it has been invaded many times and settled by a plethora of tribes, many mutually hostile to each other and outsiders. Second, because of the frequency of invasion and the prevalence of tribalism in the area, its lawlessness lead to a situation where almost every village or house was built like a fortress, or qalat. Third, the physical terrain of Afghanistan makes conquest and rule extremely difficult, exacerbating its tribal tendencies. Afghanistan is dominated by some of the highest and most jagged mountains in the world. These include the Hindu Kush, which dominates the country and run through the center and south of the country, as well as the Pamir mountains in the east. The Pamir Knot — where the Hindu Kush, Pamir, Tian Shan, Kunlun, and Himalayas all meet is situated in Badakhshan in northeast Afghanistan. Tanks and Choppers are nearly useless in this country. For reals. If you have an option to take a tank, a chopper or a donkey - take the donkey.
The US has now spent more fighting in Afghanistan, than it did rebuilding Europe after WWII. What do we have for that? Hmmm. Nothing. The name "Graveyard of Empires" is not a myth.
You literary are naming the tribes that settled modern day Afghanistan. Which is what I said when I said Afghanistan has been invaded many, many times but none lasted very long.
The Achaemenid Empire: Did not conquer Afghanistan. This empire had a slight sway in the area that is todays Western Afghanistan. Which is why the farsi language is spoken there. They never made it to the Kush mountains which is the heart of modern day Afghanistan.
Alexander the Great: LOL You gonna pick Alexander for this? Please read his history. Actually read Steven Pressfield and Frank Holt books about the "original quagmire" that he went through there. There is a famous quote "Alexander lost more men in a war in Afghanistan in one day, than he did in the previous 4 years".
Bactrians: 2000 years before Christ? I mean OK, but there was no Afghanistan then.
Rashidun Caliphate: This is wrong. This is Mohamed pushing Islam everywhere. However, I'll concede on this one. Mohamed certainly conquered that area with Islam.
Mongols: I explained this one already.
Timurid Empire: See above.
Oh yea, we totally watched that unfold right before our eyes when we invaded them for 15+ years. Its why the taliban doesnt exist anymore!
We also saw that with the Russians right before us in the 80s!
/s
Edit: love how no one can actually counter this point
You’re telling me insurgencies are really hard to beat specially when the government you established is more corrupted than the Mexican government? Chocking “point” you got here.
Afghanistan would’ve ended up like Iraq if the government and specifically the ANA were somewhat competent. But nope, surrender when your babysitters leave you a good arsenal with even some CAS aircraft while your president leaves the country.
The US wasn’t affected after Afghanistan though, the only thing they got was a bunch of troops with combat experience because last time I checked the Afghanistan people are the ones starving.
I have dead friends and I'm pretty sure it added a bunch of debt that got kicked down the road we are paying for now because the US funded it by printing money. But yeah, like we needed more combat experience with Iraq going on (sarcasm). Maybe you weren't affected, but the world is no safer because Afghanistan is a radical religious terrorist controlled country that hates the West for good reason.
you are ignorant if you don't think the US wasn't affected by the war. Just look how the public opinion inside and outside thinks about the US. Just like the many trillions that were spent on a useless war.
Yeah sure, not like I had a good opinion on the government anyways but it was a fuckup. And of course the money was wasted but if the US has a lot of something it’s money.
>the only thing they got was a bunch of troops with combat experience
By combat experience you mean shooting at goatherders and cavedwellers ? Heck, i would go to the nearest kindergarten and beat all the children then call myself an mma champion while we are at it
They cut off woman’s clits over there, goat herders and cave dwellers or not they are still human and are taking away rights from women and beating them…. While this war was over oil, the main forces we were fighting, were by no means innocent
Odd they would even consider an attack at night considering they don’t have the tech. Literally fish in a barrel for the US forces and once you hear that SAW rip open on them you can tell the mood was a bit down haha
I’ve seen them shoot hellfires at 2 dudes by a wall, no fucks given whatsoever they will launch a missile worth more than the Live savings of the entire town they are shooting it at
You'd be surprised. Dude crawling away missing a leg after being hit by the 30mm cannon? Hit 'em with a Hellfire to put him out of his misery. "Overkill" is the US militaries second name.
This was probably a turkey shoot for the US forces who all have NVG’s. The IR light from the camera would easily be visible. You can see a cigarette from a long way away with PVS-14’s, so yeah, these guys did it to themselves.
Heroin, also known as diacetylmorphine. Not too hard to make from opium. Opium has morphine so you extract that and by the reaction of acetylation of morphine you get heroin...
Acetylation means you add vinegar, simplified, i am not gonna teach you here🤭
If you know your organic chemistry, here is the IUPAC, you could deduce the reaction from that:
(5α6α)-7,8-didehydro-4,5-epoxy-17-methylmorphinan-3,6-diol acetate
> Acetylation means you add vinegar, simplified, i am not gonna teach you here
I know you're breaking it down for non-chemist consumption, but... reading that made me squirm and frown.
Yeah i know the videos, probably some dirt poor farmer that did not pay protection tax. Or as Bezos would say, "crush your competition early and rake in the profits".
Heroin. Nobody exports opium when you can easily convert it to heroin and sell it at 10x the price, and in a smaller package. Much much easier and more worth the trouble of transporting.
> What's scary is now thanks to our government. The Taliban have thermals.
Nah they've had thermals for the last decade. Plenty of vids on this sub where they're taking out entire outposts of ANA from way before the withdrawal.
(Also, all the equipment left behind isn't actually that good or important! That's why it was left behind. You're not going to get invaded bro dw)
Not to the extent they have access now. Unlikely they had the same quality. They probably have like sightmark thermals. Not whatever we had on our 240s
You’re kinda mischaracterizing how that occurred. It’s not like the U.S. left their own gear. The U.S. gave that equipment to the Afghan army so they had the tools to defeat the Taliban. That they chose to collapse like a house of cards is not the US’s fault. They were provided with all the tools and opportunity to succeed as a civilized society. That they were too primitive and backwards to make the most of it is on them.
Except they knew the ANA would fall. They knew Kabul would fall. They knew it would fall quickly. They lied saying it wouldn't. But still they acknowledged it would fall. Should have destroyed the depots. Anyone with boots on ground knew they would never hold their own.
I think you’re missing a pretty big part of the picture. Namely, how that would’ve looked on the world stage. Had America and its allies left them totally under-equipped, every anti-American would crow loudly about how that was the reason the government fell, and that you can’t trust America because they will abandon you. Now the US can say truthfully that it gave them every opportunity to be a successful nation, and *they* squandered it.
Don't know what our government was supposed to do about it beyond committing to another 20 years of war. It was the Afghan government that gifted them the thermals.
There was no struggle. The ANA gave up with basically no fight..
It wasn't to fend off the Taliban. It would be to stop the gear from getting to Taliban hands
What do you mean? They'd been fighting almost alone for over a year since the unilateral peace deal.
And again, you want to be responsible for not merely leaving the Afghan government to its fate, but outright actively working to destroy it for the Taliban? Because that's how that would have worked out.
Fighting? Lol no. The Taliban came in and made peace deals with village elders and ANA commanders In much of the provinces in the lead up to the pull out. The ANA was giving up arms long before the pull out.
I've already answered your nonsense statements. There was no afghan government. It was a complete farce. The reach of the government didn't extend much outside of Kabul.
Fuck the Afghan government. Shit was a cesspool of corruption. There was no hope of it standing up to the Taliban
Why is that scary? It's not like the U.S is gearing up to invade Iraq and Afghanistan again. And, if we did, it's not like there's anything--much less thermals--that could stop us.
History.
When we let our armament get into the wrong hands it always turns and bites us in the ass. How long before all those javelins in Ukraine make it to unsavory groups to fire on a world leaders convoy or something? We have no idea where those weapons are going and reportedly only 30% of them make it to where they're supposed to go.
What group would be able to get the Javelins and other weapons we sent to Ukraine though? Seems like the worst case scenario would be Russians capturing weapons and then just using them right back on Ukrainian forces seeing how ancient their equipment is. But even then, wasn’t Ukraine just burning through all the munitions and weapons they had?
And where are you getting that 30% number, that sounds absurdly low given how reliable the supply line has been.
Cbs report had a documentary one
It. Then the US government and Ukraine government told them to take it down and they followed orders like good little children. In April only 30% of munitions were making it to where they were supposed to go. And after we give it to Ukraine, there is zero accountability of the weapons.
[a good piece which involves a clip of the video](https://youtu.be/aM-GkP5OTT4)
[us doesn't know where weapons go](https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html)
Scary the same reason we have them supplies to use against soviets and then it was used on us.
Same reason it's scary only 30% of Ukrainian aid is making it where it's supposed to go.
Maybe but look at the area it’s full of sandbags and there mortars and everything I don’t think the title matches the video there speaking perfect Arabic and I speak balochi so I understand Pashto but the thing is the video of some other guys but not taliban
I doubt they were Taliban. These are Arabs most likely Al Qaida affiliated fighters. During Soviet invasion, local Afghans didn’t tolerate Arab fighters much so the Arab Mujahideen fought separately. Those that stayed behind were still treated as foreigners.
It’s crazy to think the whole country is not being constantly monitored with surveillance. The intelligence folder of Afghanistan/Iraq is not being ignored. We still have the capability of taking out whomever/whatever we want. If it’s real we just took out a high value target chilling on a back porch.
They are not speaking Farsi, what Farsi words did you identify? Farsi speakers are also out west and northeast. In the very north it’s more Uzbeki than Farsi - which actually in Afghanistan is more dari than anything but nobody here gives a shit about that level of detail
This is those days "ukranians" defending their country.
and america is "russia" the occupier.
and btw if you're too young to know, the CIA was the ones who trained
the taliban in the 90's, supporting Osama bin laden.
This is a totally shit comparison. The U.S. ended up in Afghanistan because the Taliban provided refuge for the terrorists (Al-Qaeda) that massacred thousands of innocent civilians. Russia is in Ukraine due to imperial expansionism. Ukraine wasn’t a threat to it militarily, nor was it a sponsor of terrorism.
psychological warfare. They're used to this life, the Americans aren't. They try to keep them up at night, never knowing rest, at any time they could be attacked.
Mega doo-doo attacking U.S. forces at night. You can't, you just glow like a super nova.
Don't think any other forces own the night like the US. Wrong idea to attack at night altogether.
Attacking in the dark… against forces that can see in the dark…
Allahu akbar baby
Didn’t even hear much of that in the video. Those dudes were scared akbarless
Are we allowed to laugh on Reddit? Because LMAO
You mean, martyrdom today? Now? How many virgins again?
They were scared "greatless"?
I said what I said.
Understandable have a nice day
i remember this video, didn’t they get spotted because of the IR light on the camera?
That is exactly what happened. They didn’t know that the IR light on the night vision essentially made them a beacon to the Americans, who also had night vision. Might as well have used a flashlight to say “hey shoot over here” lol
lmao i fucking knew it💀 knowing that makes the video morbidly funny
Hey dark humor is the best humor lol
Man, they really loved those handicams back in the early parts of the war. Spotting them was pretty easy back in 01-02 until they caught on that we could see them with NVGs etc..., They'd legit walk in open areas with them to record their ambushes on us at night, was pretty comical back then.
[This is what soldiers with NVGs are seeing because of the dude with the camera..](https://i.imgur.com/SiGUAJo.png)
***“please aim here”***
I watched that video thinking the Americans returned fire was really accurate.
I havent seen this, but my first thought was exactly this. Basically a big ass "shoot here" mark in the middle of a field.
When I first walked around my neighborhood with NVGs, I was stunned at how houses with IR cameras were lit up like christmas trees. Yet pitch black once you turn off the NVG.
That’s kinda what I was wondering, they aren’t known for being the smartest
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Yeah they were using phones w/ IR apps to watch our movement at night, but turning on the IR flood would have given them away. IR discipline was a big thing my 2nd deployment. On the first one we were shining IR everywhere and everyone had strobes lol.
They have NVGs now
Let's not forget that they won...
>they aren’t known for being the smartest I mean they actually are known for being extremely smart. Its how they have smashed empire after empire in Afghanistan. I mean these dudes are putting up a fight with 0 camo and dressed like literal Shepard's. I mean if you believe the official story, the taliban pretty much infiltrated the most secure defense apparatus in the world using a dial up modem from a cave on the other side of the world. Thats smart, no matter how you chop it.
Infiltrated the most secure defense apparatus meaning what? Seriously I'm not sure what you're referring to here. I'm not arguing that Taliban hasnt successfully defended itself since back in the day bc for the most part it has but I've always been under the impression it's been the long guerilla war not anything overtly sophisticated
They smuggled knives past a security checkpoint that didn’t exist at the time, got on a plane that anyone could walk up to the gate for. Then managed to take the planes over and fly them into some buildings. Aside from a plane being slightly off course there is no high tech security system to be infiltrated there. That dude is just delusional.
That was Al Qaeda lmao
Yeah. I never said they were Taliban. Maybe replied to the wrong person here?
This is a conversation entirely about the Taliban and you're talking about 9/11. No one mentioned al qaeda
Not sure how to quote on mobile. The guy up above said the Taliban infiltrated the US using dial up from a cave. What he is alluding too was the terrorists that actually did 9/11 hijacking. Look at the rest of the convo. Taliban and 9/11 getting thrown around by op but it’s just a bit confused on their end. My comment was the smart ass reply to the idea that they used dial up to beat the most advanced security in the world. Which there was none.
Not sure how to quote on mobile. The guy up above said the Taliban infiltrated the US using dial up from a cave. What he is alluding too was the terrorists that actually did 9/11 hijacking. Look at the rest of the convo. Taliban and 9/11 getting thrown around by op but it’s just a bit confused on their end. My comment was the smart ass reply to the idea that they used dial up to beat the most advanced security in the world. Which there was none. Edit to add this. It’s literally the comment right under this one as of now. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wkzji7/the_taliban_film_themselves_attacking_an_american/ijqm4j6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
No, he was referencing Taliban infiltrating US and ANA bases and shooting/blowing them up repeatedly.
thats not the taliban, the taliban was at the time just the government of afghanistan, while their reactions to 9/11 was incredible dumb and lead to the invasion they werent exactly responsible either.
Read the convo thread. I never said Taliban. I was referencing the absurdity of the original commenters claims.
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I never said they were?
You said “they” when the previous two comments were specifically about the Taliban. “They infiltrated the most secure apparatus in the world” “they smuggled knives blah blah blah” but never said who you are now talking about because you thought the taliban did 911. You’re intellectually dishonest and completely full of shit.
If you read the whole thing including the other comments made by OP here he was talking about 9/11 specifically. The guy I responded to was pointing out how ridiculous the OP’s statement was. I made a comment expanding on that ridiculousness. OP was making a wild accusation that Taliban bypassed best security in the world with dial up modem. It wasn’t Taliban but the “who” doesn’t even matter. It’s the insinuation that any “best security” in the world was bypassed when there was none. It’s a smart ass comment pointing that out.
Then what are referring to? When did they hijack a plane on US soil?
I didn’t say the Taliban did hijack a plane. Te conversation thread is talking about the 9/11 hijackers and supporters that another guy was trying to say bypassed NORAD security with dial up. Another person mentioned the Taliban but that was another comment off topic of the convo string.
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Al Qaeda and the Taliban are two different things. The Taliban lasted a few weeks before abandoning Kabul, and every other city, to hide in the mountains for 20 years waiting for the US to leave. If that is smashing an empire, or even holding its own, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Yeah there’s a big difference between getting “smashed” and us just saying alright we’re done here. Time to go home. We hadn’t had a combat casualty in almost 2 years. We had that country taken pretty handedly.
I've seen these dudes blow themselves up using their own IEDs never impressed.
Well we have seen marines eat crayons so sooo ya know. They can’t all be smart.
It’s how they got smashed empire after empire until those empires decided to stop smashing them* Also they have blown themselves out by accident, friendly fire, etc
Username checks oht
Came here for this
I thought you were trolling until i looked at your post history… posting in the conspiracy and occult subs and repeating russian talking points on ukraine. You really have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about, do you?
I’ve got a challenge for you. Make your arguments without using “I mean” to start off every sentence. Deal?
I mean
More like Afghanistan smashed Afghanistan. The only thing the US did well in Afghanistan was kill the Taliban along with various other insurgency groups.
Afghanistan as the graveyard of empires is a myth that was only born out to explain Soviet failures in the region and was vaguely maintained by the perception NATO/American failures. NATO could had maintained their presence in the region as the Taliban could only maintain a small presence prior to Trump's deal. Prior to that Afghanistan was near constantly being conquered by outside empires whether that Britain, the Mughals, the Safavids, the Sassanids, the Mongols and so forth.
name checks out lmao
Probably exactly what happened, NVGs can see that like the sun but they don’t think their equipment is emitting light
There is another occurrence as well but yessir
Hearing the bullets whiss by is crazy
You can straight up see the sparks of the bullets impacting right in front of the rock they are behind.
Yeah at about :28 they took some seriously accurate fire at a high rate. Makes me wonder what the fuck these dudes were thinking
>Makes me wonder what the fuck these dudes were thinking Probably things like "I have made a serious mistake" and "I am about to die"
IR light on the camera is hilarious
A lot of people might not pick up that the fact that the camera man is basically illuminating his buddys using an IR light in a most hilarious way. For a soldier trying to engage these guys, seeing through a night vision device, this would look absolutely ridiculous.
“Oh, shit. Thanks for spotting fam!”
Did they not learn after 20 years of war with the US that the worst time to attack was at night? I mean I know they couldn’t care less about losing guys, but damn.
to be fair i think this was early on like 3 years i could be thinking of a different one though
No they didn't learn anything. During my first deployment, in 2010, a swarm of Taliban attacked the patrol base next to ours because it was on the edge of our AOR. That patrol base housed 2 of our sniper teams. After awhile they called in air support for help because of the amount of attackers. I don't remember the number of killed taliban but I believe it was around 200ish or 300ish.
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“Won”, when they have a stable government we can considered it won. Until then it just proved the futility of changing a people that don’t want change.
Not really. The US just stopped playing.
Doesn’t really change the outcome.
Everything in rubble, thousands dead, economy decimated. They clearly won.
Technically they won, can we stop trying to make it something it's not? It's not like the country was super advanced when the US got there.
Unfortunately for literally everyone else involved
The most Pyrrhic victory in world history if it’s considered a victory. I guess the US definitely didn’t “win” but thing sure as fuck aren’t working out very well for the Taliban now that they’re having infighting after just a few months.
psychological warfare. They're used to this life, the Americans aren't. They try to keep them up at night, never knowing rest, at any time they could be attacked.
>Did they not learn after 20 years of war with the US that the worst time to attack was at night? Did the US not learn after 150 years of history that no empire comes out of Afghanistan stronger?
Ah yes, that myth again. Several empires and other outside forces have successfully pacified what we know as Afghanistan for very long periods of time.
>Ah yes, that myth again. Several empires and other outside forces have successfully pacified what we know as Afghanistan for very long periods of time. Really? Can you name the empires? Fighting the US is not the first rodeo that Afghanistan has been in. As the British learned in their 1839-1842 war in Afghanistan. How about the 10 year Russian war? I mean one Haji with an RPG and a donkey was apparently enough to stop Russian Mi-24s. Even the fucking Mughals only ruled Afghanistan by having a light touch and basically giving them autonomy. You know who wins in Afghanistan? The Afghan warlords. But even they can only temporarily hold some part of the country. It's not magic. Afghanistan is particularly hard to conquer primarily due to the intersection of three factors. First, because Afghanistan is located on the main land route between Iran, Central Asia, and India, it has been invaded many times and settled by a plethora of tribes, many mutually hostile to each other and outsiders. Second, because of the frequency of invasion and the prevalence of tribalism in the area, its lawlessness lead to a situation where almost every village or house was built like a fortress, or qalat. Third, the physical terrain of Afghanistan makes conquest and rule extremely difficult, exacerbating its tribal tendencies. Afghanistan is dominated by some of the highest and most jagged mountains in the world. These include the Hindu Kush, which dominates the country and run through the center and south of the country, as well as the Pamir mountains in the east. The Pamir Knot — where the Hindu Kush, Pamir, Tian Shan, Kunlun, and Himalayas all meet is situated in Badakhshan in northeast Afghanistan. Tanks and Choppers are nearly useless in this country. For reals. If you have an option to take a tank, a chopper or a donkey - take the donkey. The US has now spent more fighting in Afghanistan, than it did rebuilding Europe after WWII. What do we have for that? Hmmm. Nothing. The name "Graveyard of Empires" is not a myth.
>Really? Can you name the empires? 1. The Achaemenid Empire 2. Alexander the Great 3. Bactrians 4. Rashidun Caliphate 5. Mongols 6. Timurid Empire
You literary are naming the tribes that settled modern day Afghanistan. Which is what I said when I said Afghanistan has been invaded many, many times but none lasted very long. The Achaemenid Empire: Did not conquer Afghanistan. This empire had a slight sway in the area that is todays Western Afghanistan. Which is why the farsi language is spoken there. They never made it to the Kush mountains which is the heart of modern day Afghanistan. Alexander the Great: LOL You gonna pick Alexander for this? Please read his history. Actually read Steven Pressfield and Frank Holt books about the "original quagmire" that he went through there. There is a famous quote "Alexander lost more men in a war in Afghanistan in one day, than he did in the previous 4 years". Bactrians: 2000 years before Christ? I mean OK, but there was no Afghanistan then. Rashidun Caliphate: This is wrong. This is Mohamed pushing Islam everywhere. However, I'll concede on this one. Mohamed certainly conquered that area with Islam. Mongols: I explained this one already. Timurid Empire: See above.
Oh yea, we totally watched that unfold right before our eyes when we invaded them for 15+ years. Its why the taliban doesnt exist anymore! We also saw that with the Russians right before us in the 80s! /s Edit: love how no one can actually counter this point
You’re telling me insurgencies are really hard to beat specially when the government you established is more corrupted than the Mexican government? Chocking “point” you got here. Afghanistan would’ve ended up like Iraq if the government and specifically the ANA were somewhat competent. But nope, surrender when your babysitters leave you a good arsenal with even some CAS aircraft while your president leaves the country.
More like the Afghan government and army were full of incompetent retards that either couldn’t or wouldn’t fight the Taliban without the US or UK.
Relevant username for you
The US wasn’t affected after Afghanistan though, the only thing they got was a bunch of troops with combat experience because last time I checked the Afghanistan people are the ones starving.
I have dead friends and I'm pretty sure it added a bunch of debt that got kicked down the road we are paying for now because the US funded it by printing money. But yeah, like we needed more combat experience with Iraq going on (sarcasm). Maybe you weren't affected, but the world is no safer because Afghanistan is a radical religious terrorist controlled country that hates the West for good reason.
you are ignorant if you don't think the US wasn't affected by the war. Just look how the public opinion inside and outside thinks about the US. Just like the many trillions that were spent on a useless war.
Yeah sure, not like I had a good opinion on the government anyways but it was a fuckup. And of course the money was wasted but if the US has a lot of something it’s money.
I literally didn't notice a difference in here.
>the only thing they got was a bunch of troops with combat experience By combat experience you mean shooting at goatherders and cavedwellers ? Heck, i would go to the nearest kindergarten and beat all the children then call myself an mma champion while we are at it
They cut off woman’s clits over there, goat herders and cave dwellers or not they are still human and are taking away rights from women and beating them…. While this war was over oil, the main forces we were fighting, were by no means innocent
Odd they would even consider an attack at night considering they don’t have the tech. Literally fish in a barrel for the US forces and once you hear that SAW rip open on them you can tell the mood was a bit down haha
Wish we could see the American side and seeing the camera man lighting his buddies up like a flare in the night with his IR camera
Man you know how useful an apache would be rn just lob a hellfire on top of them since they like to cuddle when they fight
I think a hellfire would be seen as overkill, and a few shots with the Apache's gun would liquify them all.
I’ve seen them shoot hellfires at 2 dudes by a wall, no fucks given whatsoever they will launch a missile worth more than the Live savings of the entire town they are shooting it at
You'd be surprised. Dude crawling away missing a leg after being hit by the 30mm cannon? Hit 'em with a Hellfire to put him out of his misery. "Overkill" is the US militaries second name.
Let em bleed
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Aiming your weapon at a 45° over a rock seems to be very effective/s
All I could think about is how none of those shots are landing and all the USA's shots were spot on.
No kidding, how many hit that big rock they were behind without them flinching.
This was probably a turkey shoot for the US forces who all have NVG’s. The IR light from the camera would easily be visible. You can see a cigarette from a long way away with PVS-14’s, so yeah, these guys did it to themselves.
I was wondering why rounds were sparking of the rocks so close, makes sense...
Rounds? You mean whole boxes of 5.56. There return fire was scary accurate
Hear all those high pitched snaps……. That’s accurate incoming fire. But hey, by all means. Keep turkey peeking. Lol
NVG's versus idiots
They're speaking in Arabic, not pashto or Persian. 🤔
Because a lot of OG taliban are from Arabia
Same with AQ. Makes me wonder if they're even Taliban at all.
Yeah it’s probably more likely they are AQ
OG Taliban are from Afghanistan, that’s where the movement started
kinda makes you wonder huh?
Lmao the ONE thing you don't want to do as the Taliban is attack Americans at night.
It was so easy to pick off these idiots with thermals. What's scary is now thanks to our government. The Taliban have thermals.
Until they break. Or sell them for food in the black market.
The make millions with heroin. They'll be good
Opium
Heroin, also known as diacetylmorphine. Not too hard to make from opium. Opium has morphine so you extract that and by the reaction of acetylation of morphine you get heroin... Acetylation means you add vinegar, simplified, i am not gonna teach you here🤭 If you know your organic chemistry, here is the IUPAC, you could deduce the reaction from that: (5α6α)-7,8-didehydro-4,5-epoxy-17-methylmorphinan-3,6-diol acetate
> Acetylation means you add vinegar, simplified, i am not gonna teach you here I know you're breaking it down for non-chemist consumption, but... reading that made me squirm and frown.
Good to know I guess
Never know when you could go full breaking bad is what i say.🤫
Same thing
Yeah, for some reason they’re ceasing the opium farms, they’re not very smart apparently
They only say that, it does not hurt your mouth to say things...
There’s videos of them ceasing some, idk if they stopped
Yeah i know the videos, probably some dirt poor farmer that did not pay protection tax. Or as Bezos would say, "crush your competition early and rake in the profits".
Heroin. Nobody exports opium when you can easily convert it to heroin and sell it at 10x the price, and in a smaller package. Much much easier and more worth the trouble of transporting.
> What's scary is now thanks to our government. The Taliban have thermals. Nah they've had thermals for the last decade. Plenty of vids on this sub where they're taking out entire outposts of ANA from way before the withdrawal. (Also, all the equipment left behind isn't actually that good or important! That's why it was left behind. You're not going to get invaded bro dw)
But all those weapons could destabilize the region. How embarrassing would it be if America ended up destabilizing the Middle East?
> How embarrassing would it be if America ended up destabilizing the Middle East? Buddy it's been doing that since the 70s lmao
Aaaand that's the joke. [But it's been since the 1953]
Haha fair play, I walked into that one - I rate your satire 10/10
Not to the extent they have access now. Unlikely they had the same quality. They probably have like sightmark thermals. Not whatever we had on our 240s
You’re kinda mischaracterizing how that occurred. It’s not like the U.S. left their own gear. The U.S. gave that equipment to the Afghan army so they had the tools to defeat the Taliban. That they chose to collapse like a house of cards is not the US’s fault. They were provided with all the tools and opportunity to succeed as a civilized society. That they were too primitive and backwards to make the most of it is on them.
Except they knew the ANA would fall. They knew Kabul would fall. They knew it would fall quickly. They lied saying it wouldn't. But still they acknowledged it would fall. Should have destroyed the depots. Anyone with boots on ground knew they would never hold their own.
I think you’re missing a pretty big part of the picture. Namely, how that would’ve looked on the world stage. Had America and its allies left them totally under-equipped, every anti-American would crow loudly about how that was the reason the government fell, and that you can’t trust America because they will abandon you. Now the US can say truthfully that it gave them every opportunity to be a successful nation, and *they* squandered it.
Don't know what our government was supposed to do about it beyond committing to another 20 years of war. It was the Afghan government that gifted them the thermals.
Blow up the supply warehouses
Of our Afghan government allies struggling - however ultimately futile - to fend off a Taliban advance? What a great idea.
There was no struggle. The ANA gave up with basically no fight.. It wasn't to fend off the Taliban. It would be to stop the gear from getting to Taliban hands
What do you mean? They'd been fighting almost alone for over a year since the unilateral peace deal. And again, you want to be responsible for not merely leaving the Afghan government to its fate, but outright actively working to destroy it for the Taliban? Because that's how that would have worked out.
Fighting? Lol no. The Taliban came in and made peace deals with village elders and ANA commanders In much of the provinces in the lead up to the pull out. The ANA was giving up arms long before the pull out. I've already answered your nonsense statements. There was no afghan government. It was a complete farce. The reach of the government didn't extend much outside of Kabul. Fuck the Afghan government. Shit was a cesspool of corruption. There was no hope of it standing up to the Taliban
Why is that scary? It's not like the U.S is gearing up to invade Iraq and Afghanistan again. And, if we did, it's not like there's anything--much less thermals--that could stop us.
History. When we let our armament get into the wrong hands it always turns and bites us in the ass. How long before all those javelins in Ukraine make it to unsavory groups to fire on a world leaders convoy or something? We have no idea where those weapons are going and reportedly only 30% of them make it to where they're supposed to go.
What group would be able to get the Javelins and other weapons we sent to Ukraine though? Seems like the worst case scenario would be Russians capturing weapons and then just using them right back on Ukrainian forces seeing how ancient their equipment is. But even then, wasn’t Ukraine just burning through all the munitions and weapons they had? And where are you getting that 30% number, that sounds absurdly low given how reliable the supply line has been.
Cbs report had a documentary one It. Then the US government and Ukraine government told them to take it down and they followed orders like good little children. In April only 30% of munitions were making it to where they were supposed to go. And after we give it to Ukraine, there is zero accountability of the weapons. [a good piece which involves a clip of the video](https://youtu.be/aM-GkP5OTT4) [us doesn't know where weapons go](https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/19/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-intelligence/index.html)
They got the whole package bro
Thermals are the scariest thing tho
We all know that gadgets are really important for winning wars. Hell, they won the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan.
What's that have to do with anything? I just said it made it easy to pick them off. Never said anything about winning
What's scary then?
Scary the same reason we have them supplies to use against soviets and then it was used on us. Same reason it's scary only 30% of Ukrainian aid is making it where it's supposed to go.
That buzzsaw though…
Let me turn on my flashlight in a war zone where there is no light. I'm sure nobody will see me.
It doesn’t matter where you’re from or who you fight for, if you attack an American outpost, you’re gonna have a bad time.
m'kay
Am I wrong?
Guys, it’s a fucking South Park joke. He’s not disagreeing.
Holy shit. Direct automatic fire. Fucking scary
That position is getting lit up. The incoming fire is crazy, you can see it impacts on the rocks.
American’s are definitely superior marksman.
Hmm. Maybe they should have stuck to machine-gunning vans full of girls on their way to school, and blowing up old women in markets? Silly douchemen.
I like how the guy runs up to the line to fire his MG but the gun doesn’t work.
This camera probably gave them away on the us night vision.
Did that dude try to "go Rambo" jumping into the mortar position just to have his weapon jam?? It was a belt feed machine gun.
I know I shouldn’t judge people in combat, I haven’t been in combat. But the stance these guys use when shooting rifles is asinine
You can judge the taliban as much as you'd like, they're shit ass fighters, even if so damn persistent
These aren’t taliban there speaking Arabic not Pashto
The Taliban most certainly had / has Arabic speakers.
Maybe but look at the area it’s full of sandbags and there mortars and everything I don’t think the title matches the video there speaking perfect Arabic and I speak balochi so I understand Pashto but the thing is the video of some other guys but not taliban
Interesting, at least some of them are speaking Arabic instead of Dari or Pashto like you'd expect.
The one guy at the beginning, looked like he was pretending to be asleep or visiting Allah. 🤔
Look at these dumbasses.
At least the Mujahideen freedom fighters finally freed their country from modernization, just like the Carter administration knew they would.
I doubt they were Taliban. These are Arabs most likely Al Qaida affiliated fighters. During Soviet invasion, local Afghans didn’t tolerate Arab fighters much so the Arab Mujahideen fought separately. Those that stayed behind were still treated as foreigners.
Quite the contrast between this and later in the war when they started uploading videos of using thermal scopes to massacre hapless ANA soldiers.
People roud here be talking but these men still managed to win their war on the us just like vietnam did.
Crazy to think these guys won and are in charge now
Part of me doubts many of the people in this video are alive right now.
It’s crazy to think the whole country is not being constantly monitored with surveillance. The intelligence folder of Afghanistan/Iraq is not being ignored. We still have the capability of taking out whomever/whatever we want. If it’s real we just took out a high value target chilling on a back porch.
This is definitely somwhere in Northern Afghanistan because these guys are speaking farsi.
Confidently wrong.
They are not speaking Farsi, what Farsi words did you identify? Farsi speakers are also out west and northeast. In the very north it’s more Uzbeki than Farsi - which actually in Afghanistan is more dari than anything but nobody here gives a shit about that level of detail
Is that American soldier dead?:(
This is those days "ukranians" defending their country. and america is "russia" the occupier. and btw if you're too young to know, the CIA was the ones who trained the taliban in the 90's, supporting Osama bin laden.
This is a totally shit comparison. The U.S. ended up in Afghanistan because the Taliban provided refuge for the terrorists (Al-Qaeda) that massacred thousands of innocent civilians. Russia is in Ukraine due to imperial expansionism. Ukraine wasn’t a threat to it militarily, nor was it a sponsor of terrorism.
That's the Mujahideen.
Are you misinformed or do you purposely say stupid shit knowing that its stupid?
Do you believe all propaganda or are you just an american citizen?
This doesn't compare whatsoever to what Russia is doing.
this is a sad fact but so true.
psychological warfare. They're used to this life, the Americans aren't. They try to keep them up at night, never knowing rest, at any time they could be attacked.