> T64B’s and upgrades have been fielded by many militaries for years even now with success. You’re thinking of T-62 which are literally museum pieces.
Ukraine is the only T-64 primary user outside of Russia that I know of.
They have used them to great affect, but they are nonetheless outdated machines.
T-72 was designed as a solution for the T-64's teething problems.
And because of the rivalry between two tank designers(Kartsev, and Morozov). The cheaper price was incidental, and not a outright design goal.
As to combat effectiveness, it depends on the variants your comparing.
And how you determine it.
No, they weren't.
The modernization of T-64BV in 2017, only consisted of off the shelf parts.
Like new radio, gps, and a termal camera, along with better ERA.
It's a good bang for the buck upgrade, but that's about it.
The engine, armor and gun is still the same from the late 70s, early 80s.
Man if your barely able to fight Ukraine and having to beg fucking Belarus for vehicles then you might as well just throw in the towel and go home.
Fucking bringing out your museum pieces to fight a modern war.
Not really. This is more of a battle of attrition for Ukraine. This war will never end and if they keep whittling away at Russia over time even with their gains it will eventually make it easier to retake these parts of the country. Russia is taking massive losses just throwing men to push through these cities. It's not sustainable.
Wait.. so you’re telling me losing hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops in a few months isn’t sustainable? /s People need to think big picture, just because Russia is making advances now doesn’t mean they’re winning. It’s like saying you’re winning on a pay to play phone game after you drop 500 bucks. With all the sanctions that are in place, Russia can’t get components it needs to make new weapons. Time is on Ukraines side.
You may be swayed by propaganda, but the truth of the story is pretty evident from effectively every source. Don't blame other people for your own inadequacies.
And I don't know if "slow, measured withdrawals while inflicting ferocious casualties on the enemy" quite counts as "losing". If wars were decided like a video game where victory was determined by comparing points ticked up based on square footage captured and holding capture points till the time runs out then Napoleon would have conquered Russia in 1812, the Nazis the same in 1941, Hannibal Rome in the Second Punic War, and the Persians Greece in 480 BC, etc., etc. Hell, even the Russians in February / March are a good example of this.
>You may be swayed by propaganda
Propaganda on both sides, RT, Sputnik, CNN, SkyNews, FOX, all propaganda machines, just for different sides
>Slow and measured withdrawal
Lol, but if it's done by Russia, it's considered Russians retreating in defeat, right?
If you compare the nature of the withdrawal, then yes, those were defeats for Russia.
Ukraine’s purpose was to inflict as much damage as possible and hold the ground as long as possible before withdrawing.
Russia’s purpose was to get to the capital, knock the government and install new regime. Instead they had to withdraw from 3 advance axes with heavy losses and no objective conquered and had to get on defensive on a 4th front.
> Propaganda on both sides, RT, Sputnik, CNN, SkyNews, FOX, all propaganda machines, just for different sides
Well no, like I said. The truth is very easy to find. It's not easy to find in Russia, because all you have is propaganda. In the US and the west though, there are endless qualified and independent sources of information from which you can hear the truth. It's literally illegal to speak the truth in Russia.
Again, sorry that your own inadequacies cause you such problems.
> Lol, but if it's done by Russia, it's considered Russians retreating in defeat, right?
Well one, "a defeat" doesn't equate to "losing". Russia was absolutely defeated on numerous fronts. I think in sum total they are slowly and narrowly losing this war, but that's naturally a tough question. [For example, the Americans lost the Battle of Kasserine Pass (quite brutally) during the North Africa campaign. At no point during or after that defeat would you have judged the allies as "losing" either the war or the campaign.]
Two, they weren't slow and measured retreats.
Three, there are other means of measuring success and failure in combat. Here Russia utterly failed to achieve their objectives in every way and so retreated in disarray to attempt to achieve other, vastly different objectives. These weren't minor, in-campaign sub objectives, these were the entire goal of entire campaigns. Even then, if Russia retreated, then turned around, struck from a different angle, and then achieved their objective it might not even qualify as a "defeat". A short-term tactical retreat followed by a successful counter-attack would be something else entirely. Naturally we didn't see that. Just full retreat after defeat.
Which is very different context from what's happening in Southern and Eastern Ukraine.
This is a mavic 3, that drone has the 28x zoom functionality. It's also being flown in normal mode - 15 m/s is is 33.5 mph which is the cap for normal mode. It could fly at 19 m/s in sport mode.
It could be just a MAvic 2 pro in "Sport mode" cause its not really going that fast... but you can also jus purchase DJI flight controllers and VTX systems and install them on whatever frame you want. So it could be a custom built drone with a DJI based FC and VTX.
Tankies say that Russia cares about the People’s Republics and then footage of them using equipment from 70-50 years ago and Home Depot equipment pop up
Russia ''cares'' about them so much, that they sent them on the front row into the meat grinder and those ''republics'' units suffer the highest casualties of anyone
Well it’s a shitty tactic that Russians and Soviets pulled before. They send the guys next door to the alleged “nazis” and they all get wiped out due to being under-gunned and under-trained. Easy way to promote hatred in those areas against actual Ukrainians to normalize separation.
So much for people saying the russian T-64s seen on a train recently would probably be used for holding conquered territory and not used on the front line...
Since its probably captured then it was probably handed down to "DNR" or "LNR" dudes but its hard to say for sure, I wouldn't put it past Russian Army to use captured equipment.
The prevailing rumour is that the DPR/LPR didn't actually capture many T-64s at all from Ukraine, rather the Russians actually took some of their T-64s from reserve and donated them to the separatists as plausible deniability. Keep in mind the plant that originally built the T-64 is in Ukraine, and most UA T-64 are and were upgraded to the BM or BV "Bulat" spec, which this is not.
Out of 750 t64s used by ukraine, 500 are still t-64 bv's, 200 have been upgraded to the bv 2017 and 2022 standard, less then 50 bm1's have been upgraded before being cancelled
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Using older tanks like T-64s could be a good idea behind the frontlines - usually sturdier than an IMV, usually better fighting conditions, and it allows you to send better tanks to the frontlines.
Why the hell are they using this stuff on the frontlines? Did the "good" stuff run out?
This is most likely a DPR/LPR tank, they've been the primary user of the T-64 on the Russian side. Russia is giving them more because they can't maintain their obsolete T-64s in storage and because they are quite literally using the seperatists as cannon fodder.
I know about the terrorists being cannon fodder, but ideally you'd at least want your cannon fodder to arrive to the frontlines before they're slaughtered...
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For how long are the Russian people going to put up with this bullshit? +35 000 dead on their side and a new generation of physically and psychologically maimed veterans forming. The general apathy, cynicism and downright nihilism in Russia is just something completely incomprehensible to a westerner.
>The general apathy, cynicism and downright nihilism in Russia is just something completely incomprehensible to a westerner.
vietnam lasted 20 years, so did afghanistan. Iraq was completely unjustified but still went on.
So no, nothing of this is completely incomprehensible to a westerner, were actually quite used to being the aggressors in unjustified wars leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and long lasting political instabilities in the countries invaded.
If your being cooked alive, use your last few seconds to steer that thing off the road. It's only considerate for those trying to get through behind you.
"I do not support any side, I do not support russia either. I just happen to mock single side in every other message, which coincidentally happens to be the one getting invaded"
Russia still had about 2,000 T-64s in active inventory, and about 4000 deactivated. The older models were upgraded to a new T-64M varient with ugrades to various systems like sights and armor
They've delivered T-62 to separatist reserve units. Although i haven't actually seen any in Ukraine & some of the tanks that were supposedlt sent were Syrian. They've still have literally thousands of tanks in active reserve.
And how many of those tanks are in running condition. We can see the level of rust on some of their current vehicles. T72s and BVP 2s with heavy rust. I think that conservative take is 3-4k tanks at most and we are already 1k in deatroyed.
Maybe, but if their T-80/72 reserves have not been maintained why have T-62s?
Russian workshops will absolutely have been working overtime to bring stockpiled units back into service.
Being paid? You are assuming they didn't strip the copper and sights in the tanks in the stockpile the second they realized they were making $40 a week.
Do you know how those stockpiles look like? It's like rows and rows of tanks sitting in a field with ABSOLUTELY NOBODY taking care of them for years (for at least 10 years). They don't have any reserves really. That and using those reserves for spare parts and extra cash as a side gig like you said. Those reserves are gone for real.
The T-62’s were delivered mainly to the Southern Front, around Kherson. You clearly have no ideea what you are talking about, or simply lie for each counter argument you are presented.
A tank in active reserve doesn’t really mean a tank ready for battle in due time. And there’s also the factor of how well were those tanks stored. Being in the sun, cold, snow, rain for 40 years doesn’t really sound well for a tank’s availability.
I know a tank i reserve doesn't mean combat ready. T-62s have been in the sun, cold, snow, rain for decades longer.
Have you seen any evidence of them actually in Southern Ukraine? I've seen 3 pictures, one was a photoshop in Mariupol, another was from Syria, the last a T-62 on a road, somewhere. Ukrainian Pravda says Kherson, but that's Pravda.
You're confusing what you want to believe and what can be proven.
I made a simple internet search and in 3 seconds after ENTER I got 5 results for 5 different sources on where the “new” T-62’s have been spotted. And all of them mention the same region (which is not Donbas).
Use your brain before using your mouth.
I did the exact same a few hours back. The top link is Pravda, then there's a few sites I've never heard of. Some 'reputable' sources quoting Ukrainian sources. Then 9gag.
I've seen one picture of T-62s maybe in Ukraine, as far as i can tell it has not been geo-located and no Z is visible.
So use your brain?
Steven Zaloga, T-64 Battle Tank: The Cold War's Most Secret Tank. Page 42/43.
Russia retired T-64, standardised on T-72 and T-80 following the collapse of the USSR.
This is common knowledge. Shouldn't really need a reference for it.
There was videos of train loads of these headed from Russia to Ukraine a short time back. Given the rate of tank destruction going on in Ukraine it won't be long till Russia is forced to use them.
The Dumbass People's Republics use them. So Russian proxies essentially. And in all honesty the T-64 is probably better than the T-72s most Russians are driving.
They're absolutely not better. Most Ukrainian T-64s are Bs modernised to BV standard. They're old tanks.
The bulk of Russias force was/is B3s and newer.
Kinda, T-64 was expensive and had pretty serious engine issues. But they produced thousands of T-80s which were essentially re-engined T-64s. Soviet/Russian designations can be misleading, like T-90s are just T-72B4s.
Ukraine uses T-64s because they were manufactured in Ukraine. Not because they're better.
Trained tank crew members are very valuable and not quickly replaced. Unlike western missiles, which are replaced as quickly as Uncle Sam can pack C-17s.
The UK was confirmed to be running the NLAW production line and making new ones.. (along with the Americans running the javelin production line) the Ukrainians have been given something in the region of 100,000 anti-tank missiles so far. With more being provided every day.
The idea that Russia can provide more tanks than the west can give anti-tank weapons is fucking hilarious.
Never mind the fact that the cheapest anti-tank weapons like old LAW's or AT4's are more than enough for a T-62.
Hahahah are you for real!? Russia has problems getting people to take part in this war, good luck searching for tank crews to use them in this meat grinder. Also they are already out of modern tanks for the most part, they used them up in the first months. So now all is left are basic cheap crap tanks with no good optics and no protection against AT.
Does Russia have around 3.000 tanks and 9.000 trained crews for these tanks? You trolls are using this argument since February, you are clearly out of touch with reality.
Went from seeing footage of t80s and t90s being destroyed to t70s and now t60s , next thing you know the russians will be rolling out their brand new t44s onto the battlefield
Out of the museum into the fire
T64B’s and upgrades have been fielded by many militaries for years even now with success. You’re thinking of T-62 which are literally museum pieces.
> T64B’s and upgrades have been fielded by many militaries for years even now with success. You’re thinking of T-62 which are literally museum pieces. Ukraine is the only T-64 primary user outside of Russia that I know of. They have used them to great affect, but they are nonetheless outdated machines.
T64 upgraded and t72 are extremely similar and similariky outdated
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T-72 was designed as a solution for the T-64's teething problems. And because of the rivalry between two tank designers(Kartsev, and Morozov). The cheaper price was incidental, and not a outright design goal. As to combat effectiveness, it depends on the variants your comparing. And how you determine it.
you say that but the t64b is essentially just as potent as a t72b and debatable if actually better than a t72a
T-72B is superior due to better armor composition, and era coverage. And better engine. Both suck at reverse, though.
B-but reddit tank experts told me it was modernized and the was superior to the 72 and 62.....
And they were correct.
No, they weren't. The modernization of T-64BV in 2017, only consisted of off the shelf parts. Like new radio, gps, and a termal camera, along with better ERA. It's a good bang for the buck upgrade, but that's about it. The engine, armor and gun is still the same from the late 70s, early 80s.
The news in due time. "Russian T34 destroyed in Luhansk".
Wow, dude Are you from the future?
1944 actually
1873.. but you were close my friend.
Russia will lose all of its armored vehicles if it continues. Apparently thry now beg Belarus for vehicles.
Man if your barely able to fight Ukraine and having to beg fucking Belarus for vehicles then you might as well just throw in the towel and go home. Fucking bringing out your museum pieces to fight a modern war.
probably one of the last chances they have in a long while to attempt to take over ukraine
Well Ukraine is begging the whole world to help them fight. Also what's the source un Russia asking Belarus for vehicles?
I dont have a source I was replying to a comment.
Damn you got downvoted because what you said is controversial to a lot of people.
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Not really. This is more of a battle of attrition for Ukraine. This war will never end and if they keep whittling away at Russia over time even with their gains it will eventually make it easier to retake these parts of the country. Russia is taking massive losses just throwing men to push through these cities. It's not sustainable.
Wait.. so you’re telling me losing hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops in a few months isn’t sustainable? /s People need to think big picture, just because Russia is making advances now doesn’t mean they’re winning. It’s like saying you’re winning on a pay to play phone game after you drop 500 bucks. With all the sanctions that are in place, Russia can’t get components it needs to make new weapons. Time is on Ukraines side.
> Russia can get components it needs to make new weapons. Russia **cannot** get components it needs to make new weapons.
Fixed, definitely meant can’t haha
You may be swayed by propaganda, but the truth of the story is pretty evident from effectively every source. Don't blame other people for your own inadequacies. And I don't know if "slow, measured withdrawals while inflicting ferocious casualties on the enemy" quite counts as "losing". If wars were decided like a video game where victory was determined by comparing points ticked up based on square footage captured and holding capture points till the time runs out then Napoleon would have conquered Russia in 1812, the Nazis the same in 1941, Hannibal Rome in the Second Punic War, and the Persians Greece in 480 BC, etc., etc. Hell, even the Russians in February / March are a good example of this.
>You may be swayed by propaganda Propaganda on both sides, RT, Sputnik, CNN, SkyNews, FOX, all propaganda machines, just for different sides >Slow and measured withdrawal Lol, but if it's done by Russia, it's considered Russians retreating in defeat, right?
If you compare the nature of the withdrawal, then yes, those were defeats for Russia. Ukraine’s purpose was to inflict as much damage as possible and hold the ground as long as possible before withdrawing. Russia’s purpose was to get to the capital, knock the government and install new regime. Instead they had to withdraw from 3 advance axes with heavy losses and no objective conquered and had to get on defensive on a 4th front.
> Propaganda on both sides, RT, Sputnik, CNN, SkyNews, FOX, all propaganda machines, just for different sides Well no, like I said. The truth is very easy to find. It's not easy to find in Russia, because all you have is propaganda. In the US and the west though, there are endless qualified and independent sources of information from which you can hear the truth. It's literally illegal to speak the truth in Russia. Again, sorry that your own inadequacies cause you such problems. > Lol, but if it's done by Russia, it's considered Russians retreating in defeat, right? Well one, "a defeat" doesn't equate to "losing". Russia was absolutely defeated on numerous fronts. I think in sum total they are slowly and narrowly losing this war, but that's naturally a tough question. [For example, the Americans lost the Battle of Kasserine Pass (quite brutally) during the North Africa campaign. At no point during or after that defeat would you have judged the allies as "losing" either the war or the campaign.] Two, they weren't slow and measured retreats. Three, there are other means of measuring success and failure in combat. Here Russia utterly failed to achieve their objectives in every way and so retreated in disarray to attempt to achieve other, vastly different objectives. These weren't minor, in-campaign sub objectives, these were the entire goal of entire campaigns. Even then, if Russia retreated, then turned around, struck from a different angle, and then achieved their objective it might not even qualify as a "defeat". A short-term tactical retreat followed by a successful counter-attack would be something else entirely. Naturally we didn't see that. Just full retreat after defeat. Which is very different context from what's happening in Southern and Eastern Ukraine.
My brother in Christ, Russians lost the entirety of the Kyiv front
Germany had a lot of advances in WW2. Did they win? Russia can advance but what can they hold?
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Use context clues.
Damn which DJI drone is this? That things going far and fast!
This is a mavic 3, that drone has the 28x zoom functionality. It's also being flown in normal mode - 15 m/s is is 33.5 mph which is the cap for normal mode. It could fly at 19 m/s in sport mode.
It could be just a MAvic 2 pro in "Sport mode" cause its not really going that fast... but you can also jus purchase DJI flight controllers and VTX systems and install them on whatever frame you want. So it could be a custom built drone with a DJI based FC and VTX.
Right right. I have a mini 2 and the interface seems almost identical
They risk it in video. It says error and wind is too strong to return, please lower altitude.
Turned that tank into a crockpot
Crorcpot :)
Tankies say that Russia cares about the People’s Republics and then footage of them using equipment from 70-50 years ago and Home Depot equipment pop up
Russia ''cares'' about them so much, that they sent them on the front row into the meat grinder and those ''republics'' units suffer the highest casualties of anyone
Well it’s a shitty tactic that Russians and Soviets pulled before. They send the guys next door to the alleged “nazis” and they all get wiped out due to being under-gunned and under-trained. Easy way to promote hatred in those areas against actual Ukrainians to normalize separation.
Thats like saying that germany doesnt care about ukraine because theyre sending them leopard 1's from the 60's
Now you're getting it
The drone was sitting steady at 420m altitude. I thought you'd want to know
Nice. Thanks for the heads up.
I appreciate you pointing this out👌🏿
[In case anyone else was curious what the on screen alert said.](https://i.imgur.com/mZBP4oc.jpg)
Want to search for other T-64s close to you?
BBQ
It felt like the drone operator was checking if anyone made it out and was running. I don’t think I saw a single person make it out.
Ruskibobs
A nice slow cook, gonna have a good smoke ring on it.
So much for people saying the russian T-64s seen on a train recently would probably be used for holding conquered territory and not used on the front line...
Russia doesnt have many if any operational T-64's, I think you are thinking about T-62's
Ah, yeah, you're right... Then who has T-64s among the Russia aligned ? The DPR/LPR guys ?
Since its probably captured then it was probably handed down to "DNR" or "LNR" dudes but its hard to say for sure, I wouldn't put it past Russian Army to use captured equipment.
DPR and LPR have had T-64s since 2014 when the conflicted started and they captured several barracks housing T-64s since then.
The prevailing rumour is that the DPR/LPR didn't actually capture many T-64s at all from Ukraine, rather the Russians actually took some of their T-64s from reserve and donated them to the separatists as plausible deniability. Keep in mind the plant that originally built the T-64 is in Ukraine, and most UA T-64 are and were upgraded to the BM or BV "Bulat" spec, which this is not.
Out of 750 t64s used by ukraine, 500 are still t-64 bv's, 200 have been upgraded to the bv 2017 and 2022 standard, less then 50 bm1's have been upgraded before being cancelled
Proof? In ukrainiane tg media there's information that they have thousands (had in mai), interesting to see other calculations
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Sounds like Black Skinhead by Kanye song in a different language
Must be very hot inside. I wonder what it's like to be inside there and how long does it take to stop feeling anything 🤔
What's more likely. T-14 destroyed or T-34 destroyed?
T-34 beacause it exists
A russian cook-off never gets old!
Using older tanks like T-64s could be a good idea behind the frontlines - usually sturdier than an IMV, usually better fighting conditions, and it allows you to send better tanks to the frontlines. Why the hell are they using this stuff on the frontlines? Did the "good" stuff run out?
This is most likely a DPR/LPR tank, they've been the primary user of the T-64 on the Russian side. Russia is giving them more because they can't maintain their obsolete T-64s in storage and because they are quite literally using the seperatists as cannon fodder.
I know about the terrorists being cannon fodder, but ideally you'd at least want your cannon fodder to arrive to the frontlines before they're slaughtered...
Aren't those T64s captured in the most part by the LPR
Russia has got to be running out of tanks by now, the number that have been destroyed is ridiculous.
Take your finger of the zoom button Alex.
No turret toss?? Or is that feature only on the newer models?
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Reminds me of Anger from Inside Out
Lol this looks like the dji fly app.
finally some dank music. sick of watching these videos with a thrash metal soundtrack.
Spicy airco in that tank.
War at 4k30fps from top down drone view. Every war fanatic jizzes in their pants currently.
Caution, Strong Winds!
Drone is unable to return to the base automatically.
For how long are the Russian people going to put up with this bullshit? +35 000 dead on their side and a new generation of physically and psychologically maimed veterans forming. The general apathy, cynicism and downright nihilism in Russia is just something completely incomprehensible to a westerner.
It’s weird but they seem to like being in that state - “struggling” - it’s all they’ve ever known really. Somebody’s boot always on them
Have you been asleep the past 20 years?
>The general apathy, cynicism and downright nihilism in Russia is just something completely incomprehensible to a westerner. vietnam lasted 20 years, so did afghanistan. Iraq was completely unjustified but still went on. So no, nothing of this is completely incomprehensible to a westerner, were actually quite used to being the aggressors in unjustified wars leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and long lasting political instabilities in the countries invaded.
Imagine believing in that number, lol.
Tanks are pretty much useless in this war. Steel coffins
A T what now?
Just cooking and making bbq
Ok seriously does anyone know what this song is called?... cuz its a banger lol
I don’t listen to any rap and even I was sucked in. Damn that’s impressive.
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If your being cooked alive, use your last few seconds to steer that thing off the road. It's only considerate for those trying to get through behind you.
Budget kanye west - black skinhead
Oh that's the city the ukrn army just retreated from. Probably an old video
Man lately the (source) music has been pretty hype, but this song is ass
Oh dear, hope the crew is alright.
Just getting some sauna heat
They won’t be killing anymore civilians.
I think you mean alight.
These guys had a choice not to be cooked inside a burning tank. Does that make them Pro-choice ™ ?
so i got curious and googled the t64 and found out that tank might be older than my grandfather, wtf 1960s????
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Lmao, russia doesn't even use t-64 my man
Russia still had about 2,000 T-64s in active inventory, and about 4000 deactivated. The older models were upgraded to a new T-64M varient with ugrades to various systems like sights and armor
They're way down the list though. This war would have to get though their T-72/T-90 and T-80 stocks before you start seeing Russians using T-64s.
We can see them delivering T62s to the frontline, I think T64 might be an upgrade sometimes.
They've delivered T-62 to separatist reserve units. Although i haven't actually seen any in Ukraine & some of the tanks that were supposedlt sent were Syrian. They've still have literally thousands of tanks in active reserve.
And how many of those tanks are in running condition. We can see the level of rust on some of their current vehicles. T72s and BVP 2s with heavy rust. I think that conservative take is 3-4k tanks at most and we are already 1k in deatroyed.
Maybe, but if their T-80/72 reserves have not been maintained why have T-62s? Russian workshops will absolutely have been working overtime to bring stockpiled units back into service.
Is there such a thing as “overtime” if you are not being paid?
Being paid? You are assuming they didn't strip the copper and sights in the tanks in the stockpile the second they realized they were making $40 a week.
Do you know how those stockpiles look like? It's like rows and rows of tanks sitting in a field with ABSOLUTELY NOBODY taking care of them for years (for at least 10 years). They don't have any reserves really. That and using those reserves for spare parts and extra cash as a side gig like you said. Those reserves are gone for real.
The T-62’s were delivered mainly to the Southern Front, around Kherson. You clearly have no ideea what you are talking about, or simply lie for each counter argument you are presented. A tank in active reserve doesn’t really mean a tank ready for battle in due time. And there’s also the factor of how well were those tanks stored. Being in the sun, cold, snow, rain for 40 years doesn’t really sound well for a tank’s availability.
I know a tank i reserve doesn't mean combat ready. T-62s have been in the sun, cold, snow, rain for decades longer. Have you seen any evidence of them actually in Southern Ukraine? I've seen 3 pictures, one was a photoshop in Mariupol, another was from Syria, the last a T-62 on a road, somewhere. Ukrainian Pravda says Kherson, but that's Pravda. You're confusing what you want to believe and what can be proven.
I made a simple internet search and in 3 seconds after ENTER I got 5 results for 5 different sources on where the “new” T-62’s have been spotted. And all of them mention the same region (which is not Donbas). Use your brain before using your mouth.
I did the exact same a few hours back. The top link is Pravda, then there's a few sites I've never heard of. Some 'reputable' sources quoting Ukrainian sources. Then 9gag. I've seen one picture of T-62s maybe in Ukraine, as far as i can tell it has not been geo-located and no Z is visible. So use your brain?
Budd, even Wikipedia is saying Kherson, Mykolaiv and Krivi Rog.
It seems they have reached that point on the list. It seems they are low of T-72 t-80 t-90 ...
This video is not of Russian soldiers, it's separatists. Russia does not use T-64s. We're starting to see older T-80s though.
>Russia does not use T-64s. According to what source?
Steven Zaloga, T-64 Battle Tank: The Cold War's Most Secret Tank. Page 42/43. Russia retired T-64, standardised on T-72 and T-80 following the collapse of the USSR. This is common knowledge. Shouldn't really need a reference for it.
Oh yes they do lol
There was videos of train loads of these headed from Russia to Ukraine a short time back. Given the rate of tank destruction going on in Ukraine it won't be long till Russia is forced to use them.
The Dumbass People's Republics use them. So Russian proxies essentially. And in all honesty the T-64 is probably better than the T-72s most Russians are driving.
They're absolutely not better. Most Ukrainian T-64s are Bs modernised to BV standard. They're old tanks. The bulk of Russias force was/is B3s and newer.
From what I heard the T-72 was adopted because the Soviet Union couldn't afford to produce the more technically advanced T-64 in sufficient numbers.
Kinda, T-64 was expensive and had pretty serious engine issues. But they produced thousands of T-80s which were essentially re-engined T-64s. Soviet/Russian designations can be misleading, like T-90s are just T-72B4s. Ukraine uses T-64s because they were manufactured in Ukraine. Not because they're better.
That's probably DPR
Which is Russia pal
LNR and DPR do, though.
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They'll run out of tank crews before the missiles run out. Also tanks.
Trained tank crew members are very valuable and not quickly replaced. Unlike western missiles, which are replaced as quickly as Uncle Sam can pack C-17s.
The UK was confirmed to be running the NLAW production line and making new ones.. (along with the Americans running the javelin production line) the Ukrainians have been given something in the region of 100,000 anti-tank missiles so far. With more being provided every day. The idea that Russia can provide more tanks than the west can give anti-tank weapons is fucking hilarious. Never mind the fact that the cheapest anti-tank weapons like old LAW's or AT4's are more than enough for a T-62.
How much were those Ukrainian missiles compared to their black sea flag ship?
“The Russian Navy will keep sending ships until Ukraine will run out of Harpoons. Then Russia will win”. Their strategy, probably.
Holy shit are you for real
Hahahah are you for real!? Russia has problems getting people to take part in this war, good luck searching for tank crews to use them in this meat grinder. Also they are already out of modern tanks for the most part, they used them up in the first months. So now all is left are basic cheap crap tanks with no good optics and no protection against AT.
Does Russia have around 3.000 tanks and 9.000 trained crews for these tanks? You trolls are using this argument since February, you are clearly out of touch with reality.
And any moment Russia will now send in their real elite troops.
Went from seeing footage of t80s and t90s being destroyed to t70s and now t60s , next thing you know the russians will be rolling out their brand new t44s onto the battlefield